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TeafortheSoul · 10-20-2011, 12:31 PM

The first floor was... certainly busier in a different way than Professor Schirmer's own usual haunt of the third level. Less injured children she supposed, and more Dash. She wondered if the professors of the first floor were more social as a result and made up her mind to befriend the healer. Third floor solidarity.

The classroom she'd chosen for the defense lesson had been one of her favourites as a student, and the tall blonde woman was a little bit dismayed to see how dusty and unused it was. Really, Hogwarts was it so hard to keep yourself clean? Even with elves that were off doing goodness knew what? A few quick charms and minutes later the room was sparkling.

Literally.

Unlike most of the Defense rooms, this one featured bright windows that allowed the light to stream in, diffused with colours and generally giving the room a bright and happy feel. The view looked out over the lake. There were no desks or chairs in the room and even the professor took a seat on the ground, waiting there with her feet tucked up comfortably beneath her for the students to arrive. She had a stack of books next to her and looked serene, if a bit distant.

When it was time, she charmed the doors to open, and greeted the students as they begin to file in.

ooc: ~~the lesson will begin approximately 7.5 hours from the time of this post I'm simply opening it now so you can post arriving if you want to.~~ The lesson has begun! Please act as if you were here all along if you haven't yet posted, latecomers will likely lose points. Please remember to follow Professor Schirmer's rules which can be found here.

SPOILER!!: the room looks something like this

Questions:
What do you know, or think you know, about the Patronus Charm?

Discuss amongst yourselves some famous witches and wizards and their known Patronus forms. Given what we know about them; their achievements, their experiences, what do you think their Patronus form indicates about their personalities?

For those of you who can cast a Corporeal Patronus and know what form it takes, see if you can match up how it fits your personality. Younger students, you can work with students who do have a known Spirit Guardian, or you can look up mine, which is a Dove, or Headmaster Tate's which is a Mountain Goat, or that of another adult you know, even some of the historical figures we were discussing.

"I want you to think of your happiest memory. Something strong enough that you can focus on it easily, maybe something that makes you smile. It doesn't have to be relating to love. If you have more than one, lucky you! You can experiment to see which is best. You don't have to share it if you don't want to, but feel free to put your hand up and share if you do.

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Levitation party activity! Click here for instructions. Read the post carefully and please take note of your classmates posts following this one too. Worth ten points!

edit: Activity still running, only please focus on the third part, AKA testing out your happy memory with a levitation potion.

The party is still going, you can help yourself to food or drink while we wait for a guest fetched via a patronus message. In the meantime the professor wants to know who can cast a patronus already and whether its corporeal or non-corporeal.

PLEASE be realistic with your character's abilities. The patronus charm is ADVANCED magic and little firsties should NOT be able to manage it. For the purposes of this class please pay attention to the following:

6th & 7th years: May be able to cast a corporeal or non-corporeal patronus, depending on character's skill level and experience. May learn how to do one or the other during the lesson.

5th years: May be able to cast non-corporeal patronus, depending on character's skill level and experience, very FEW and RARELY may a 5th year manage a corporeal patronus. May learn how to do one or the other during the lesson.

4th years: Depending on character's skill level and experience, very FEW and RARELY may a 4th year manage a non-corporeal patronus. May learn a non-corporeal patronus during the lesson.

3rd years: Depending on character's skill level and experience, may learn a non-corporeal patronus during the lesson. But its okay for them NOT to learn how yet too.

1st & 2nd years: Depending on character's skill level and experience, may learn an UNSTABLE non-corporeal patronus during the lesson. This means they might manage a slight whisp, but otherwise should NOT be able to cast a patronus. Its okay for them NOT to learn how yet too.

When we get to the spell casting aspect of the lesson, please note that anyone not being realistic may have their post edited or deleted, which I don't WANT to do but we're not all Harry Potter! For reference, Althea learned hers in 6th year non-corporeally, and managed a corporeal patronus in 7th year. Remember, just because your character might not be able to do it yet, it doesn't mean they never will!

~~As you saw, Professor Scabior came because I sent him a Patronus message. What do you think are the benefits of communicating via Patronus?~~

"Alright are you all ready to give it a go? Stand up if you are and make sure you give each other a bit of space. Wands out. The incantation is Expecto Patronum. Ecks-PEK-toh pa-TRO-num. You simply need to point your wand and focus really hard on that strong happy memory. Practice the incantation a few times to get the hang of it and then you may start. Those of you who can already manage it, please do encourage the younger ones and let them see how you do it. I have an activity for you too, that we'll start in a little while!"

Please note, I'm waiting to get an all clear regarding the recent Malware threat on SS before continuing, not because of any risk, rather because several people may be staying away right now and I'd rather be sure nobody is left at a disadvantage because they don't feel safe accessing the site. Expect that the lesson will continue on sunday. Everything is all clear

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FireboltAvis88 · 10-22-2011, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by McFeisty

"Well Dementors don't differentiate do they? They take the happiness away from everyone. I believe the only way they don't need one is if the person had no happiness - no zest for life...maybe like Voldemort himself. But if he had one it would have been a snake." C'mon obvious much? With that GIANT snake he always walked around with.

Alyssa nodded to herself agreeing with the Ravenclaw. Voldemort sure did love Nagini, mostly because she was his Horcrux. "Hmmm...I wonder if Voldemort did have a patronus whether it would have been in the form of a snake." Alyssa thought to herself. "Love and similar personality characteristics. That's one of the reasons why a patronus chooses a specific creature as it's form, doesn't it?".

PhoenixWizard · 10-22-2011, 02:57 AM

Patronus? Once thing Angelina liked, it explaned people a little bit. "Professor, I think a Patronus is a spell cast to warn off the bad that is coming to you, for example demeters. Patronus' also are animals that can describe who someone is or what the person likes."

TeafortheSoul · 10-22-2011, 04:19 AM

OOC: Please note, I haven't addressed everyone individually, but I've read all your replies and Professor Schirmer is listening to the conversations.

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Originally Posted by EastonionNW

Nate's jaw feel loosely open. "P-p-pa-pa..." he paused for a second, gathering his excitement, "...patronus?" he said, more to himself than anyone else. He raised his hand swiftly. "Well, Professor Glass, a Patronus is a force, really, that protects everyone around it by exerting positive energy. It is made up of said positive energy, and usually takes the form of an animal. They're also very useful in driving off dementors." Then he lowered his hand, trying to look as humble as he could. Nate knew very well that he could come off as haughty when excited. He couldn't wait to figure out what his patronus was!

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Originally Posted by sweetpinkpixie

Kurumi was just about to raise her hand when...she heard the Ravenclaw boy. "That's not Professor Glass," she said in a medium whisper. Poor kid, he was probably just nervous. She knew that she was her first year around pretty much every professor except for Professor Zookara - she really missed him. "Professor Schirmer is taking over the lesson today."

An honest mistake, but Kurumi hoped that her small correcting of the boy would put a stop to any sudden mood shifting that Professor Schirmer's current smiling persona.

The boy got a glare for that, but when Kurumi corrected him, Professor Schirmer let out a quiet breath, not wanting to ruin the general happy mood of the room.

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Originally Posted by sweetpinkpixie

She then turned her attention back to the Professor and thought for a moment. When Harry Potter had been mentioned, her hand lowered for a moment before it went back up straight in the air. "Kingsley Shacklebolt produced a Patronus in the shape of a lynx," she began. Really, feline Patronus' were something that intrigued her a lot, so they stuck with her in memory more than others. "The lynx has powerful eyesight and great abilities of stealth and cunning are formidable, so I suppose that all these traits would be reflective of the person who produces their Patronus. The powerful eyesight might not be literal, but could perhaps represent that Mr. Shacklebolt was a very watchful person. He is said to have been a very good judge of character, so you could say that this is also related - the ability to see people for who they really are."

"That's a good analysis." Althea agreed, listening as other students put in their two knuts too.

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Patronus charms... Eino had heard of them and had always wanted to try the charm, but never found enough time to do so. It wasn't an urgency after all, he didn't expect to run into any dementors or lethifolds, but it would be rather nice to know how to do so. Plus, he was eager to find out what his spirit guardian would be. Oh, he wanted a big, great dragon! The greatest of all dragons! He couldn't contain his excitment and enthusiasm, but he would have to... She wanted them to discuss. As any other Ravenclaw, except for Ellie maybe, Eino would be exceptionally eager to engage in a discuss... at any other time, but not now. No, now he wanted to practice! Nonetheless, he tried and raised his hand. "I am positively and undoubtedly sure that Merlin's patronus could be nothing other than a dragon! He was the greatest wizard to have ever lived, and so his patronus should reflect that!" Thus his patronus would be the greastest creature ever, duh.

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Interesting theory. But which kind of Dragon? There are several after all." Althea smiled at the Ravenclaw.

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Since he was pretty much bad at history of magic and stuff related to it, Josh had to remain silent when the professor asked about famous witches/wizards and their patronuses. Not that he did not know anything at all. Yet whatever he knew the people in the class had already mentioned...like...all of them.

However, still, there was one matter he wanted to ask about. It was not maybe directly about famous people in the past yet at least it was related to the forms that patronuses did take. ''Professor...if we are saying the patronuses are our guardians that have been formed by the positive energy of our powerful memories, does that mean a different memory or emotion caused by it might cause a different form or is it directly and only related to our personality?''

He hoped that had made sense. The case was a little bit confusing to him after all so he wanted it to be illuminated a bit. ''Also, i have heard many times before that love is more powerful than any other magic that exists. So, can we say a memory or emotion related to true love can make the strongest patronuses?''

No, he was not going to make it oh-so-obvious and stare at a certain she-snake right now.

"The memory doesn't necessarily change the form of the patronus, just the strength of it." Thea answered the Gryffindor boy. "Its directly related to you, and the essence of who you are, which is mostly a reflection of your personality but is also influenced by your experiences."

But in general, "Love tends to be associated with the strongest patronuses yes. Or perhaps it is simply that love evokes some of the happiest memories since love by its very nature sees only the good in things."

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Made sense to her. "What's your Patronus, professor?" Just curious. Tori had no idea what hers was going to be, or if she would even be able to make a corporeal one today.

"A dove." Althea answered.

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"Sometimes Patronuses reflect the feeling people have towards others, kind of like he said regarding love. Severus Snape's Patronus, for example, was a doe, standing for his love for Lily Potter, which didn't fade. Also, Nymphadora Tonks' Patronus actually changed to a wolf, once she had realized her love for Remus Lupin. Even though some people also thought it had something to do with mourn ing her cousin's death, since Sirius Black's Animagus form was a dog," she replied. It didn't really address anything about personalities, but hopefully it was still good enough for the discussion.

"And perhaps you could go further and say that the feelings a person is capable of, the feelings they exhibit, are themselves a reflection of elements of their personalities." Professor Schirmer suggested.

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"I'm sorry Professor. I wasn't deliberately invading Sierra's space. At least I wasn't even thinking about that. I just wanted to give her a hug to wish her well. I didn't think that she would mind. I'm sorry if she did. Did you, Sierra?"

Alyssa looked over at Sierra hoping that the Slytherin would take pity on her and agree with her.

Althea looked at Sierra too.

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A patronus?

Victoria raised her hand immediately. "A patronus is a positive force that can be performed by a powerful wizard...or a wizard powerful enough to perform one." said Victoria. "It is used to shielf a dark creature...like a dementer."

"And in order to perform a Patronus Charm, we have to think of a memory, don't we professor?"

"We do, but we've moved on to discussing the associations between known patronus forms and personalities of the witches and wizards who produced them."

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When Alyssa realized that Sierra wasn't going to back her up, she decided that it was time to own. So she raised her hand and stood up. "Professor I didn't mean no disrespect, not to Sierra and certainly not to you. I've had my differences with her and I've been wanting to apologize to her, but never could find the opportunity to do so until now. That was what that hug was for. I'll leave the class if you want me to." Alyssa bent down to pack up her things trying not to cry in front of everybody. It was best anyway. There was no way that she would be able to concentrate now especially if the Professor took house points from her, or worse yet, send her to detention.

Althea opened her mouth in surprise when the girl spoke again and then closed it, one brow going up.

"If you leave the class without my permission, you'll regret it, Miss Potter." She eyed the girl sternly. "Sit down."

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Selina rose her hand, "Well, wouldn't you say that the Patronus is like a gage on the true perception of one's heart. Animals have symbols, always have, no matter what culture you are from. So someone, even if they put on a nice face, can't hide behind their Patronus. Most people's personalities and emotions stay relatively the same so they never really change. However, under extreme circumstances than can and have been prone to change. Like Tonks the Order Member who grew depressed after her cousin died." Selina took a deep breath and pressed on, "In a short sentence- its a mood and personality detector."

Althea didn't need to address the Tonks/cousin part since other students did, but she did nod at the rest of the girl's answer. "Animals do have symbolic meanings. I like that short sentence too. Mood is indicated by the ability to actually cast it at times, and personality by the result if it is corporeal."

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Sierra turned to look at the Puffer again. Honestly, ...was she still going on about this? With a sigh, she turned her attention back to Schirmer. "Professor Schirmer, ...may I?" she asked.

"Please do, Miss Greingoth." Althea wanted to get to the bottom of this.

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famous wizards and their patronuses eh? "Well Albus Dumbledore's patronus is a phoenix. And phoenix are known to be awesome creatures. It's a legendary bird that reborn from ashes. They're also known to be as clever and versatile creatures. Dumbledore is one of the greatest wizards of all time." the phoenix patronus definitely suits him.

"A legendary bird yes. Its interesting I think, that a Patronus can be a magical creature... though non-magical creatures are more common."

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Even though Alyssa was still waiting to hear her fate, she couldn't keep silent any longer. Everybody was talking stuff about her family members and most of their reasoning made sense, but she couldn't keep silent anymore. Heck with the consequences, she was done with being good. So she raised her hand and spoke:

"Luna Lovegood was the one that had a Rabbit for a Patronus. But actually it was more of a hare. Someone also mentioned that the reason why Harry Potter's was a stag was because he was stubborn and unpredictable. I don't think that is why Harry's patronus was a stag. It was because he had characteristics of his father, James, whom he didn't know by the way. Remember he did have his mother's eyes and his mother's patronus was a doe. So it is more because he had both his parents traits that his patronus was a stag and not some other creature. And James Potter's patronus was a stag because he chose to be a Stag when he metamorphed. So his physical form as a Stag could have determined his Patronus. Remember he could have picked some other creature. Who knows maybe he chose that creature because Lily's patronus was a doe. So you see there's so many other possibilities why a person's patronus is what it is." Alyssa took a deep breath after that long spiel. She was done talking now.

"He didn't choose to be a stag." Althea corrected and would have continued but a Gryffindor picked up on the same point so she let her explain.

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Raisin her hand Lexi turned to smile at the Hugglepuff that spoke. "Ihave to disagree. The Ministry lady who taught about Animagus transformations last term said that one does not choose the Animagus form one becomes, either. That, also, is a reflection of ones personality. Although, that COULD be why his Patronus also took that form, yes. But one doesn't get to choose the animagus form either."

Lexi wondered if she would turn into a Lynx like her Patronus if she were ever able to become an Animagus... Hmmmmmm.

"That's right. You don't choose either form."

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Indiana had kind of been listening to what some of her fellow students were saying, and taking in what they were saying. But she did have a comment to make about something, relating to Lord Voldemort. She raised her hand, did she even have to do that, before turning to Stella, and that Gryffindor Prefect, who seemed to be pretty clever. "I read somewhere..." Man she sounded so much like a nerd with all this reading. "That Severus Snape as the only Death Eater, or that wy inclined person, that could produce a patronus. So Maybe Lord Voldermort couldn't produce one at all? Maybe his personality was just too evil." And if he controlled the dementors surely they weren't about to go all bad on him right?

"That's right. Snape was the only one." Althea made a comment but otherwise let the students continue their discussion.

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Listening to Mordred's opinion on Andros, Aiden starts to chuckle. Maybe he was a sort of a show-off. Or did he just had too many good memories? While listening to the boy's explanation, Aiden thinks of another answer herself.

"I don't think just emotion and personality could influence one's Patronus," she shrugs her head in disagreement. "It depends on the caster's concentration and mental state as well," answers Aiden confidently with a smirk twitched at the corner of her lips. "It is one of the hardest charms to produce, after all," pauses the Slytherin before proceeding. "From what I've read, the Patronus Charm could only be produced by thinking of a very happy and powerful memory. A good memory. Because the Patronus Charm is meant to repel dark creatures. And since it is meant to repel darkness, very rare wizards and witches who practice the Dark Arts are able to produce it. With the exceptions of those whose memories are more powerful than their practice of the Dark Arts; as I said before, love," she stops, raising her eyebrows, thinking that she might've spoken like a know-it-all.

"Thats true, strong concentration and focus, and an ability to keep those happy thoughts at the forefront are essential to casting a Patronus."

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This whole Patronus thing is just amazing. Sarah listened earnestly as some of the older students answered the questions. So the personality can be told from their Patronus? Is it? But what about some others?

Sarah raised her hand. "Professor, what about the animals that don't have a defined behaviour? Then how can we relate them to the person's character?" she paused. Did that make sense? "I mean-" she said, "-I heard Mr.Harry Potter's patronus was a stag because his father's animagus form was one" Did that make any impact? She blinked. Did anyone understand her question at all?

"They all have associated characteristics." She assured the girl. "The stag connection is simply a connection and shows personality similarities. His patronus wasn't a stag because his father's animagus form was a stag, just like Harry wasn't a Gryffindor because his father was a Gryffindor. They shared traits which in turn influenced how their personalities manifest."

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Then Penny realised she had a question....Professor, So going by other responses, a person has a Patronus based on their Character.... It is well noted that Nymphadoa Tonks already had a Patronus but it changed to a werewolf when she fell in love with the Werewolf Remus Lupin - How did that happen?"

"A person's character can change based on their experiences." Althea explained, though several students had already been talking about this. "When it is something strong and deep and life changing, and yes, love can fall under that heading, it might result in a change of corporeal form."

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"Confidence... Get a hold of yourselves..." she nods in agreement. It was logical to be confident while fighting against something fearful. Even a thick bloke should know that. "Dementors are described to as 'fear', isn't it? That means the casters of the Patronus Charm must be ready to face fear itself." Honestly, Aiden is running out of ideas. Nevertheless, a question strikes through her mind suddenly like a lightning bolt. "Professor Schirmer, ma'am," she calls out with her hand straight in the air. "If you don't mind me asking, what does your Patronus takes form of?" she asks boldly not realising what she is doing.

Althea had been listening to the talk about Andros the Invincible, and now when she was addressed she answered. "A dove."

The discussions were good and lots of interesting points were coming up. Althea continued the lesson onward.

"So some interesting points have been raised, and we'll return to that topic for homework. But we know that personality can be indicated by the Patronus form, so the question is, how does that relate to you? If you don't know your Patronus form yet, could you get an idea of what it might be in advance? What about by taking into account other disciplines like Arithmancy? Do your traits as indicated by your numbers match up with the traits your Corporeal Patronus? Some food for thought." She shifted slightly and leaned against one hand.

"There are a few books here about animal totems and their associated meanings." She began to pass the books around. "For those of you who can cast a Corporeal Patronus and know what form it takes, see if you can match up how it fits your personality. Younger students, you can work with students who do have a known Spirit Guardian, or you can look up mine, which is a Dove, or Headmaster Tate's which is a Mountain Goat, or that of another adult you know, even some of the historical figures we were discussing."

She smiled at them. "I'll give you ten minutes for this exercise and in the mean time if you have a question feel free to ask it."

OOC: here is a reference, feel free to use google too.Animal Totems
Only 5th - 7th years should be able to cast a corporeal Patronus, and even then only those students who are advanced and have worked at it. Don't be afraid to have your character NOT be able to cast one yet. Maybe they'll manage by the end of class, maybe not. Try to be realistic regarding your character's age and abilities.

mellamaet · 10-22-2011, 04:20 AM

Her hands seriously felt sore after all that writing, but she has satisfied, she had gotten a lot of notes and well, she had really good information about the Patronus charm now, she needed all the help that she could get. It wasn't as if she was expecting that she would be able to cast an actual patronus charm now, but she hoped to get at least...something. but of course, now was not the time, she knew she wouldn't be able to cast it yet. And so, she looked up when Professor Schirmer started giving out books to all of them, for the older students to look up what they're patronus could be, and for the younger students - that's them - to check other people's patronuses.

"What was mother's again?" She asked herself as she cracked the book open, trying to scan the pages for anything about horses..or mares or anything of that sort. Of course, she had only seen her mother cast it once, and it was huge, white and it certainly looked like a horse...or an incredibly giant dog. And the next thing she knew, she was being carried out of the house by her grandmother.

Confusing. Yes.

BanaBatGirl · 10-22-2011, 04:26 AM

Oooh a dove! "That's pretty, Professor," Tori said softly, tilting her head at the woman in admiration. Now she was REALLY curious about what form her Patronus would take. Maybe it would be a pink flamingo! That would be WICKED.

She took one of the books and immersed herself in it right away, not even caring how nerdy she looked. This was COOL STUFF, all right? Tori flipped to the page about doves and read Professor Schirmer's out loud, quietly, to herself.

"The dove brings peace and love," hmm, she could kinda see that. Schrimer seemed peaceful enough, especially with sitting on the floor and whatnot, "and understanding of gentleness. It is a spirit messenger, and communicates between the two worlds."

She looked up at the blonde Charms teacher. "Which two worlds is it talking about, Professor? The world... of the dead and undead....?" Eh?

laurange · 10-22-2011, 04:46 AM

Wow! A dove? That was nice...

What was her mother's again? A gazelle. Right.

Smiling, she remembered the times when she was younger and her mother would let her play with her patronus. Maybe she'd have the same as her mother!

Flipping open her book, she searched for Gazelle.

SPOILER!!: Gazelle

Definitely her mother. All this talk about patroni was making El eager to find out what hers would be.

slytherus · 10-22-2011, 04:51 AM

Since her parents don't have Patronus, Aiden decided to look up for Headmaster Tate's instead. Mountain goat... Mountain goat... Is it similar to goat? She'll take that as a yes. Abundance, independence, surefootedness, removing guilty feelings, understanding nature energies and beings, seeking new height an agility. Does he have all those? No idea.

Kimothy · 10-22-2011, 05:34 AM

Minerva McGonagall's patronus seemed interesting so Katrina searched for it. After three minutes of searching, Katrina saw it. She scribbled everything on her parchment.

SPOILER!!: Katrina's parchment

Katrina also looked about Ron Weasley's Patronus, a dog.

SPOILER!!: Extra notes

Whoa, okay they ALL match their character's personality well. Katrina skimmed around the books to gather more information.

Roselyn · 10-22-2011, 05:41 AM

Evelyn couldn't decide whether she was interested in the debate that was going on at the moment or rather bored of it. Much like in the apparition lesson where they learned about everything but what she was actually there for. However, she was curious about how arithmancy was pulled into all of this. She'd never thought of that before.

Sitting up straight, she took one of the books. Hmmm, interesting, interesting...

Flipping open to the first few pages, she was a bit surprised on how many animals were listed. Good Merlin, a patronus really could be practically any animal couldn't it? Looking through the list for a moment, she finally caught up to the section she herself needed to be.

The Caracal section of course.

SPOILER!!: Patronus notes

Well that sounded quite like her, didn't it? She thought so. Except the whole 'shy' part about it since she hadn't really been shy in quite sometime, but still...

Now that THAT was done, she could look up Destiny's and Marie's patronus! Which was...something she couldn't remember.

Granger1814 · 10-22-2011, 05:47 AM

Kourtney made a few notes on a piece of parchment as the professor spoke, and then accepted one of the books that were being passed around. Hmm, a dove was such a pretty bird, but she had a feeling that many were going to choose to look up that particular Patronus. How about the Headmaster's Patronus? A mountain goat. She remembered reading somewhere else that another historical figure had a goat as a Patronus.....who was it again....

Oh! Yes, Aberforth Dumbledore.

Flipping through the pages, she finally came to the entry on the goat. Abundance, Independence, Surefootedness, and Seeking new heights were some of the traits attributed to the goat. She didn't know much about the Headmaster, but from what she had seen, he seemed like he may fit some of these characteristics. Maybe she'd get the chance to find out more about the man who ran this school in the future.

nogoodforyou · 10-22-2011, 05:48 AM

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"There are a few books here about animal totems and their associated meanings." She began to pass the books around. "For those of you who can cast a Corporeal Patronus and know what form it takes, see if you can match up how it fits your personality. Younger students, you can work with students who do have a known Spirit Guardian, or you can look up mine, which is a Dove, or Headmaster Tate's which is a Mountain Goat, or that of another adult you know, even some of the historical figures we were discussing."

She smiled at them. "I'll give you ten minutes for this exercise and in the mean time if you have a question feel free to ask it."

When the class moved on, Nora was simply fascinated by the topic. She only regretted that she couldn't cast a corporeal patronus... yet, but she decided to look up a dove, which was professor Schirmer's spirit guardian. Brings peace and love, understanding of gentleness, spirit messenger and communicates between the two worlds. Whoa. This was... amazing.

It only made her jealous that she couldn't cast one.

Erindipity · 10-22-2011, 06:01 AM

Lexi could indeed produce a corporeal Patronus. Hers being a Lynx she had also done some study into what exactly that meant. She did however move up to take a gander at one of the books on totems for class participation. Hehe.

Hmmmm.
Keenness of sight - She could see that... sort of
Divination - She was RUBBISH at Divination always had been... although she never REALLY tried
Developing psychic senses - who knew...
Keeper of all secrets and mysteries - THAT was one she could wrap her head around. Indeed.
Movement through time and space - Oooooh this one intrigued her indeed. She had done a LOT of moving.

Food for thought indeed.

Looking around the room she smiled at some of the younger students. "If any of you who cannot cast a Patronus would like some help perhaps looking into totems and whatnot... I would be more than happy to help you." Yerp. She would.

itsjustjesse · 10-22-2011, 06:10 AM

Flipping through her book India's finger finally found a page that hit her. The beauty of the creature, the colors, the pluming feathers, their utter amazing. Peacocks. That was what she thought her Spirit Guardian was...at least she hoped.

SPOILER!!: Parchment

She wasn't imortal but she did have a knack for having loads of self confidence. She was the girl who was confident enough to dance with no one in the dancing class. She wasn't afraid to be outside of the box.

Well - she was going to keep looking anyways this was just the first possibility who knew her Patronus could even be the house Crest's animal. A lovely Owl.

sarahlooo · 10-22-2011, 06:17 AM

Ohhohohhoh, this was exciting. A corporeal patronus? Ellie really wanted to be able to cast one. Like, now. She jiggled her leg up and down while Schirmer was talking, anxious to try and get started.

Taking a book from Professor Schirmer, Ellie excitedly flipped through the book and scanned different animals to see which ones she was most like. The first one that stood out was an eagle. That was her father's patronus, too. And it sort of fit her personality as well. There was a lot about knowledge and wisdom, creativity, and healing. Ellie thought of her father and realized that this eagle truly defined him. She smiled a little and continued flipping through the pages.

A grizzly bear? Healing, solitude, change, wisdom. Ahah, defense and revenge. That suited Ellie. ~~Especially when she was trying to beat up Enya for slapping her boyfriend.~~ Hmm. A possibility.

PatInTheHat · 10-22-2011, 06:24 AM

Part of Arya's not participating in the discussion was because the view was very distracting, and part was because there wasn't much she didn't already know. And it seemed that the other older students had correcting the younger ones under control. So she continued with looking out at the lake, though occasionally she'd look over to whoever was speaking at the time.

When it was time for something that required more attention on her part though, she did sit up and accept the book from the professor, listening to her words.

Look up her patronus?

She could do that.

The prefect flipped through the book til she found birds, slowing until she saw the familiar image of a hummingbird. Hm. Well... the love, happiness, and joy were definitely her, but Arya wasn't sure about the healing. She only just knew the basics! Scribbling it all down into her notes anyway, she then flipped through to find other patronus' she was curios about.

SilverTiger · 10-22-2011, 06:48 AM

Text Cut: Professor Schirmer

As Professor Schirmer interjected a comment into her discussion with the others, Stella nodded to show she understood. That really did make sense, as she could imagine someone who was really gentle, personality-wise, would probably have difficulty showing an emotion like hate, violence, and the like. She hadn't really seen the need to say anything about it, though, as the professor had moved on to the other conversations going on around the room. Instead, she just went back to thinking about Patronuses in general, and specific ones that she knew of, including her own. Especially as the discussion of Headmaster Dumbledore from history having a Phoenix as his patronus, and the fact that some people did have mystical creatures.

She looked up again as the professor moved the lesson to a new activity, and a smile crept across her face. It seemed like her thoughts were going to come in useful, after all, even though she'd had a suspicion all along that they'd be addressing their own Patronuses. But first, research, and she was curious if the books the professor had were going to simply say the same things everything else she'd read about unicorns said. Purity, innocence... she knew it somewhat fit with herself, simply because Risa had always teased her about the fact. She didn't fault her best friend, though, and it also explained her disdain for the veelas and part-veelas that had been at Beauxbatons. She checked the book anyway, and stifled a giggle at what it said.

SPOILER!!: unicorn meanings

Definitely not that different from what she already knew, although the weather thing was intriguing. It made her think about her familial connection to astronomy, even though she didn't usually excel in the subject. And the faerie aspect, considering her egg, and she'd glanced at her bag again at that thought. Of course, she didn't think the book was referring to Shakespeare faeries, but it was still an interesting correlation.

Destiny · 10-22-2011, 07:01 AM

This was why Destiny never joined in during discussions.

People always had an answer to everything, and it was fun just watching the discussion go back and forth. Like that Muggle game. With the ball.. That was another reason she never joined in during discussions. She would get too distracted and it didn't help that she was sitting close to the window. She was pretty sure that was her owl flying around..

But back to the lesson!

Shaking her head a little, Destiny grabbed one of the books and began flipping through the pages. So many animals! She wondered if Professor Shoehorse would let her keep it. She could learn even more ~~useless~~ animal facts! Before she would ask, though, she turned to the page that talked about her Patronus. A Serval.

SPOILER!!: Notes

O_O

Glancing at her book and then to Evelyn, she gave her friend a little nudge. "Evelyn, LOOK! Inter-species communication. I told you I can talk to chickens." But no, she didn't believe her.

Jason Potter Weasley · 10-22-2011, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Tegz

OOC: Please note, I haven't addressed everyone individually, but I've read all your replies and Professor Schirmer is listening to the conversations.

The boy got a glare for that, but when Kurumi corrected him, Professor Schirmer let out a quiet breath, not wanting to ruin the general happy mood of the room.

"That's a good analysis." Althea agreed, listening as other students put in their two knuts too.

"

Interesting theory. But which kind of Dragon? There are several after all." Althea smiled at the Ravenclaw.

"The memory doesn't necessarily change the form of the patronus, just the strength of it." Thea answered the Gryffindor boy. "Its directly related to you, and the essence of who you are, which is mostly a reflection of your personality but is also influenced by your experiences."

But in general, "Love tends to be associated with the strongest patronuses yes. Or perhaps it is simply that love evokes some of the happiest memories since love by its very nature sees only the good in things."

"A dove." Althea answered.

"And perhaps you could go further and say that the feelings a person is capable of, the feelings they exhibit, are themselves a reflection of elements of their personalities." Professor Schirmer suggested.

Althea looked at Sierra too.

"We do, but we've moved on to discussing the associations between known patronus forms and personalities of the witches and wizards who produced them."

Althea opened her mouth in surprise when the girl spoke again and then closed it, one brow going up.

"If you leave the class without my permission, you'll regret it, Miss Potter." She eyed the girl sternly. "Sit down."

Althea didn't need to address the Tonks/cousin part since other students did, but she did nod at the rest of the girl's answer. "Animals do have symbolic meanings. I like that short sentence too. Mood is indicated by the ability to actually cast it at times, and personality by the result if it is corporeal."

"Please do, Miss Greingoth." Althea wanted to get to the bottom of this.

"A legendary bird yes. Its interesting I think, that a Patronus can be a magical creature... though non-magical creatures are more common."

"He didn't choose to be a stag." Althea corrected and would have continued but a Gryffindor picked up on the same point so she let her explain.

"That's right. You don't choose either form."

"That's right. Snape was the only one." Althea made a comment but otherwise let the students continue their discussion.

"Thats true, strong concentration and focus, and an ability to keep those happy thoughts at the forefront are essential to casting a Patronus."

"They all have associated characteristics." She assured the girl. "The stag connection is simply a connection and shows personality similarities. His patronus wasn't a stag because his father's animagus form was a stag, just like Harry wasn't a Gryffindor because his father was a Gryffindor. They shared traits which in turn influenced how their personalities manifest."

"A person's character can change based on their experiences." Althea explained, though several students had already been talking about this. "When it is something strong and deep and life changing, and yes, love can fall under that heading, it might result in a change of corporeal form."

Althea had been listening to the talk about Andros the Invincible, and now when she was addressed she answered. "A dove."

The discussions were good and lots of interesting points were coming up. Althea continued the lesson onward.

"So some interesting points have been raised, and we'll return to that topic for homework. But we know that personality can be indicated by the Patronus form, so the question is, how does that relate to you? If you don't know your Patronus form yet, could you get an idea of what it might be in advance? What about by taking into account other disciplines like Arithmancy? Do your traits as indicated by your numbers match up with the traits your Corporeal Patronus? Some food for thought." She shifted slightly and leaned against one hand.

"There are a few books here about animal totems and their associated meanings." She began to pass the books around. "For those of you who can cast a Corporeal Patronus and know what form it takes, see if you can match up how it fits your personality. Younger students, you can work with students who do have a known Spirit Guardian, or you can look up mine, which is a Dove, or Headmaster Tate's which is a Mountain Goat, or that of another adult you know, even some of the historical figures we were discussing."

She smiled at them. "I'll give you ten minutes for this exercise and in the mean time if you have a question feel free to ask it."

OOC: here is a reference, feel free to use google too.Animal Totems
Only 5th - 7th years should be able to cast a corporeal Patronus, and even then only those students who are advanced and have worked at it. Don't be afraid to have your character NOT be able to cast one yet. Maybe they'll manage by the end of class, maybe not. Try to be realistic regarding your character's age and abilities.

William raised his hand. " I think my Corporeal Patroonus could be a Lion or an Elephant" Willaim said to the professor. " They both have my personalities in them" William told the professor.

O would like an ilder student to help me ,please" Willaim asked the students in class.

LilFox06 · 10-22-2011, 07:28 AM

Carter flipped through the book looking for a golden retriever... or any kind of dog really. They probably both had the same characteristics.

SPOILER!!: Dog Meaning

After reading it Carter sniffed the air. Ehh... they must have meant that figuratively. Which was a shame, that would have been brilliant had it been literal.

He peeked a look over at Destiny's book. In it was a picture of some kind of cat... which made Carter wonder why she was talking about chickens.

Now... what was he supposed to do now? Figure out how that matched his personality?

Well it obviously wasn't a match in the sniffing department. He'd already tried that one out.

Roselyn · 10-22-2011, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destiny

Shaking her head a little, Destiny grabbed one of the books and began flipping through the pages. So many animals! She wondered if Professor Shoehorse would let her keep it. She could learn even more ~~useless~~ animal facts! Before she would ask, though, she turned to the page that talked about her Patronus. A Serval.

SPOILER!!: Notes

O_O

Glancing at her book and then to Evelyn, she gave her friend a little nudge. "Evelyn, LOOK! Inter-species communication. I told you I can talk to chickens." But no, she didn't believe her.

Hmmmph, nudge...

Raising a brow, Evelyn looked over to Destiny before glancing down to her notes. Serval! That's what it was. No wonder she kept thinking 'cereal' for a few moments when trying to remember.

"No, I think that means you are a chicken." Hehe, course it didn't, but Destiny was in fact a chicken for a few minutes, so hopefully her friend would get the reference. If not than...

The funnier it was.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Potter Weasley

William raised his hand. " I think my Corporeal Patroonus could be a Lion or an Elephant" Willaim said to the professor. " They both have my personalities in them" William told the professor.

O would like an ilder student to help me ,please" Willaim asked the students in class.

Snickering quietly, her gaze shifted over to that young Gryffindor boy she had spoken to before. What was his name again? Bill? Phill?

Larry?

Nevermind the name. He was asking for help on what his patronus could be, and from what the girl had learned of him (or could remember for that matter), the Slytherin smiled somewhat before flipping through the pages of her book. There was one animal that...may...work...other than the lion or elephant. Little Gryffindor dude.

"Hey..." You person who's name evades us. "Try looking up the peccary." And forget the fact that it was a pig.

Jason Potter Weasley · 10-22-2011, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roselyn

Hmmmph, nudge...

Raising a brow, Evelyn looked over to Destiny before glancing down to her notes. Serval! That's what it was. No wonder she kept thinking 'cereal' for a few moments when trying to remember.

"No, I think that means you are a chicken." Hehe, course it didn't, but Destiny was in fact a chicken for a few minutes, so hopefully her friend would get the reference. If not than...

The funnier it was.

Snickering quietly, her gaze shifted over to that young Gryffindor boy she had spoken to before. What was his name again? Bill? Phill?

Larry?

Nevermind the name. He was asking for help on what his patronus could be, and from what the girl had learned of him (or could remember for that matter), the Slytherin smiled somewhat before flipping through the pages of her book. There was one animal that...may...work...other than the lion or elephant. Little Gryffindor dude.

"Hey..." You person who's name evades us. "Try looking up the peccary." And forget the fact that it was a pig.

Thanks I will look it up" Wiiliam told her. "Sorry the pig does not fit me" William said to her. Hopefully another nicer student will help him. Someone who knows willaim more than this girl.

RachieRu · 10-22-2011, 07:59 AM

Soo. Indiana could not like produce a patronus. It was logical really, she was only little. So she needed to like look up someones elses. She didn't know what her parents was, she hadn't really wanted to ask them. So Indy figured that she would just look at the Professors, whos was a dove. Doves were pretty. She liked that. She opened the book, and flicked through until she found the page about doves. Aww. They looked so pretty. Indy smiled, as she pulled her parchement towards her, and began writing on it, trying to use pretty neat handwriting. She didn't want it to be messy, because then she wouldn't be able to read it

SPOILER!!: Indy's parchment

Interesting. She looked up at the Professor, kind of watching her for a moment. Peace and Love? Well that might be possible. But the profesor seemed a little mean at times, taking a lot of points away. But it was her patronus, so she figured that the Professor must like have gentleness, and peace, and stuff. Even if Indy couldn't exactly see it.

sweetpinkpixie · 10-22-2011, 08:01 AM

Kurumi turned her attention back to the front of the room when the Professor called for their attention. They needed to think about their own Patronus? Well, that wasn't something she was going to be able to do since she was only a fourth year and the principles behind that were still far beyond what she was able to do. She smiled a bit when they were told that they could examine someone that they knew, and her thoughts immediately went to her father.

While she waited for one of the books to circulate to her, Kurumi grabbed a piece of parchment wrote her name at the top. After finishing, a book was passed to her and she immediately began flipping through it until she reached the O section. "O...p...op...op..." she said to herself as she skimmed the page. There is was!

Kurumi began to read about her father's Patronus and was alarmed at how fitting it was - given what she had learned about him in her research the past year.

SPOILER!!: parchment quick notes

It was actually really creepy how fitting it was, especially since her father was actually still playing dead with his family. Something like 25 years of doing that now and all to protect his family. An entire life of lies, deceptions, and illusions...was it possible that his inner workings knew that the future events were going to happen. His Patronus hadn't changes from what she knew...seemed like something she needed to ask him about if she ever got the chance.

Then Kurumi heard Cookie!Hater speak to William and suggest a possible animal his Patronus could turn into and went to skim through the book for no other reason than she was curious. "Actually, William," she said with a small smile. "I think it fits you more than you think. You always say you associate yourself with a lion, and the peccary also has a connection to the large cats, quick movements, warns others of harm..." She passed him the book for him to take another look. Just because it wasn't large didn't mean that it wouldn't serve him well as a Patronus. Kurumi was pretty sure that her Patronus would be something small and her father, well, his was an opossum.

Roselyn · 10-22-2011, 08:09 AM

Whaaa?

Then again, she didn't know the boy ALL that much, so if he said it didn't fit him, than it didn't fit him. However, now that her idea was shot down, there was a split moment when Evelyn was determined to find a suitable match for the kid's patronus.

That is, that feeling was there before Cookie Girl spoke up. After that, the Head Girl couldn't help but feel a little beam of pride. Kurumi knew more about the Gryffie boy than she did, so obviously...Evelyn had good guessing skills. OBVIOUSLY.

Seeing her pass the book to young Gryffie dude, the hazel eyed girl smirked and leaned to the side, staring at Kurumi. "Know what yours is?" She wouldn't be surprised if Miss ~~Dictionary Eater~~ Cookie Girl knew what her patronus was. Even if that would be a little annoying.

sweetpinkpixie · 10-22-2011, 08:32 AM

Kurumi peeked up from her parchment to look at ~~Cookie Hater~~ Scary Head Girl and shook her head. "I actually have no idea," she said with a small shrug. Other than she figured that it was going to be something small and probably an animal that embodied insecurity. Wait, that wouldn't really be an aspect of a Patronus if it was being produced from happiness, right?

"What about you?" she asked as she closed her book for a moment. Surely she knew what her Patronus was. As much as Kurumi shook in her boots whenever she was near her, the little lion knew that the girl knew what she was doing. The Head Girl's Patronus was probably a panther or something.

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