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The first floor was... certainly busier in a different way than Professor Schirmer's own usual haunt of the third level. Less injured children she supposed, and more Dash. She wondered if the professors of the first floor were more social as a result and made up her mind to befriend the healer. Third floor solidarity.
The classroom she'd chosen for the defense lesson had been one of her favourites as a student, and the tall blonde woman was a little bit dismayed to see how dusty and unused it was. Really, Hogwarts was it so hard to keep yourself clean? Even with elves that were off doing goodness knew what? A few quick charms and minutes later the room was sparkling.
Literally.
Unlike most of the Defense rooms, this one featured bright windows that allowed the light to stream in, diffused with colours and generally giving the room a bright and happy feel. The view looked out over the lake. There were no desks or chairs in the room and even the professor took a seat on the ground, waiting there with her feet tucked up comfortably beneath her for the students to arrive. She had a stack of books next to her and looked serene, if a bit distant.
When it was time, she charmed the doors to open, and greeted the students as they begin to file in.
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In addition the room is now decorated for a party. Balloons and streamers are everywhere, there are tables set up with food and drink, and music playing to add to the festive feel.
Questions: What do you know, or think you know, about the Patronus Charm?
Discuss amongst yourselves some famous witches and wizards and their known Patronus forms. Given what we know about them; their achievements, their experiences, what do you think their Patronus form indicates about their personalities?
For those of you who can cast a Corporeal Patronus and know what form it takes, see if you can match up how it fits your personality. Younger students, you can work with students who do have a known Spirit Guardian, or you can look up mine, which is a Dove, or Headmaster Tate's which is a Mountain Goat, or that of another adult you know, even some of the historical figures we were discussing.
"I want you to think of your happiest memory. Something strong enough that you can focus on it easily, maybe something that makes you smile. It doesn't have to be relating to love. If you have more than one, lucky you! You can experiment to see which is best. You don't have to share it if you don't want to, but feel free to put your hand up and share if you do.
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Levitation party activity! Click here for instructions. Read the post carefully and please take note of your classmates posts following this one too. Worth ten points!
edit: Activity still running, only please focus on the third part, AKA testing out your happy memory with a levitation potion.
The party is still going, you can help yourself to food or drink while we wait for a guest fetched via a patronus message. In the meantime the professor wants to know who can cast a patronus already and whether its corporeal or non-corporeal.
PLEASE be realistic with your character's abilities. The patronus charm is ADVANCED magic and little firsties should NOT be able to manage it. For the purposes of this class please pay attention to the following:
6th & 7th years: May be able to cast a corporeal or non-corporeal patronus, depending on character's skill level and experience. May learn how to do one or the other during the lesson.
5th years: May be able to cast non-corporeal patronus, depending on character's skill level and experience, very FEW and RARELY may a 5th year manage a corporeal patronus. May learn how to do one or the other during the lesson.
4th years: Depending on character's skill level and experience, very FEW and RARELY may a 4th year manage a non-corporeal patronus. May learn a non-corporeal patronus during the lesson.
3rd years: Depending on character's skill level and experience, may learn a non-corporeal patronus during the lesson. But its okay for them NOT to learn how yet too.
1st & 2nd years: Depending on character's skill level and experience, may learn an UNSTABLE non-corporeal patronus during the lesson. This means they might manage a slight whisp, but otherwise should NOT be able to cast a patronus. Its okay for them NOT to learn how yet too.
When we get to the spell casting aspect of the lesson, please note that anyone not being realistic may have their post edited or deleted, which I don't WANT to do but we're not all Harry Potter! For reference, Althea learned hers in 6th year non-corporeally, and managed a corporeal patronus in 7th year. Remember, just because your character might not be able to do it yet, it doesn't mean they never will!
As you saw, Professor Scabior came because I sent him a Patronus message. What do you think are the benefits of communicating via Patronus?
"Alright are you all ready to give it a go? Stand up if you are and make sure you give each other a bit of space. Wands out. The incantation is Expecto Patronum. Ecks-PEK-toh pa-TRO-num. You simply need to point your wand and focus really hard on that strong happy memory. Practice the incantation a few times to get the hang of it and then you may start. Those of you who can already manage it, please do encourage the younger ones and let them see how you do it. I have an activity for you too, that we'll start in a little while!"
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Riiight, Professor SchurrMerr...he should really take a note on that. The Slytherin mumbled a apology as the Professor eyed him and after finding out he was in the right class he sat down on the ground and listened.
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His hand shot in the air with him even realising it. He had heard about the patronus charm from his brother alot of times who likes the brag about it that he can do it. "A patronus charm is a positive source of energy and a protection against the dark arts, Professor!" He said as he shook his hand a little to caught her attention. "Each and everyone of us has a sort of spiritual animal guardian. It works when the caster thinks about something that is a happy peaceful thought for them." he lowered his hand because it started to feel weird. But his talking didn't stop. "My big brother has a panda which is soooo cute! i wanna cuddle it but i always fall through the white silvery smoke , which is not cool and..." blahblahblah
A fellow Slytherin sat beside him and almost hit his face when he raised his hand to answer the professor’s question. He listened to him and their professor’s exchange of words.
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"The corporeal Patronus takes an animal form, relating to the personality and traits of its caster. You can refer to your textbooks for this next question. I'd like for you to discuss amongst yourselves some famous witches and wizards and their known Patronus forms. Given what we know about them; their achievements, their experiences, what do you think their Patronus form indicates about their personalities?"
Mordred nodded his head and got his DADA book. “What do you think your Patronus would be?” he asked the boy. He himself cannot wait to find out his own spirit guardian. He opened his book and quickly read about the different patronuses of noted wizards and witches. “I remember getting Andros the Invincible’s Chocolate Frog Card, and it says there that he is the only wizard to cast a GIANT patronus. How cool is that?” he smiled at the boy and continued to read. "He must be very powerful to come up with a patronus like that. He must be overflowing with magic."
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Lexi smiled and nodded at the little Snake and shrugged as well. "Could be a combination of many things." She gave the girl a smile once more and then eyed the Hugglepuff that was... touching the girl in class. What the... Lexi could help Sierra remove the Huggiepuffie from the class if she wished hehe.
"Could be," Sierra said in return.
...and then did...this girl...smile at her? She did, which left Sierra sort of dumbfounded for a few seconds afterward. It was an emotion she rarely related to, and even now she found herself in between this battle to smile in return or to acknowledge the expression in some other way. In the end, she gave the girl one sharp nod of the head.
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Eino watched the three lionesses discuss back and forth, like he was watching a tennis match. He was confused and frustrated. He had not brought his history books for reference and he had no idea what or who they were talking about. Luckily for him, he heard Sierra's voice coming from behind, so when she was done speaking, he quietly scooted over and tapped her on the shoulder lightly. "Excuse me, Sierra, would you mind telling me who this personification of 'Serious' is, and why he doesn't like tongs?" He asked, looking puzzled. Most importantly, why didn't he like tongs? Tongs were very helpful!
Hearing her name, Sierra turned her head toward the other side of the room. Well, not the complete other side, but in that general direction. She was met with a very confused sounding Eino Uronen, who was asking something about serious tongs. Her mind was suddenly filled with an image of utensils doing a really good job in the kitchen.
"Serious tongs?" she asked, shrugging a little. "I don't know." She'd been so focused on her discussion with Lexi that she must have missed this. Turning to the class as a whole, she asked, "Hey, who's talking about serious tongs?"
...and then did...this girl...smile at her? She did, which left Sierra sort of dumbfounded for a few seconds afterward. It was an emotion she rarely related to, and even now she found herself in between this battle to smile in return or to acknowledge the expression in some other way. In the end, she gave the girl one sharp nod of the head.
Hearing her name, Sierra turned her head toward the other side of the room. Well, not the complete other side, but in that general direction. She was met with a very confused sounding Eino Uronen, who was asking something about serious tongs. Her mind was suddenly filled with an image of utensils doing a really good job in the kitchen.
"Serious tongs?" she asked, shrugging a little. "I don't know." She'd been so focused on her discussion with Lexi that she must have missed this. Turning to the class as a whole, she asked, "Hey, who's talking about serious tongs?"
Lexi took no offense to the nod. None at all. Heh. The girl and she were not acquainted she didn't have to smile in return. SNORT.
Then... she heard the Ravenclaw boy and Sierra's... discussion and snortled a little bit. "Not Serious Tongs... Sirius Black and Nymphadora Tonks. They were both part of the Order of the Phoenix. They were cousins, but were never really close with one another... but they didn't necessarily dislike one another." Hehehe. Lexi got a kick out SERIOUS TONGS.
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"And it is time to begin. We are going to talk about, and yes we will practice, a certain charm today, one which is used in defensive magic." She paused and actually smiled again, relaxed now.
"Put your hand up and tell me what you know about the Patronus Charm." She suggested. "If you aren't sure, tell me what you think you know."[/INDENT]
Jonathan smiled as the professor started with the lecture. Jonathan liked DADA but ever since last term, no one has been teaching this subject that much. It's DADA- stands for DEFENSE AGAINST THE DARK ARTS. Something they could really use for what is out there.
Patronus Charm. Probably half of this room already knows what it means, right? Jonathan raised his hand to answer "Professor," he started "...a Patronus Charm is a charm that wears any negative forces away. With that said the wizard conjuring the Patronus charm should be able to gather any happy memory he/she has to produce such." well, it's mostly the basic stuffs he know.
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"A Patronus may be substantial or insubstantial.... known as corporeal or incorporeal. Most of you will not manage an corporeal Patronus, at least not until you are older, but that is no reason not to learn about it now." Right?
"The corporeal Patronus takes an animal form, relating to the personality and traits of its caster. You can refer to your textbooks for this next question. I'd like for you to discuss amongst yourselves some famous witches and wizards and their known Patronus forms. Given what we know about them; their achievements, their experiences, what do you think their Patronus form indicates about their personalities?"
famous wizards and their patronuses eh? "Well Albus Dumbledore's patronus is a phoenix. And phoenix are known to be awesome creatures. It's a legendary bird that reborn from ashes. They're also known to be as clever and versatile creatures. Dumbledore is one of the greatest wizards of all time." the phoenix patronus definitely suits him.
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"And it is time to begin. We are going to talk about, and yes we will practice, a certain charm today, one which is used in defensive magic." She paused and actually smiled again, relaxed now.
"Put your hand up and tell me what you know about the Patronus Charm." She suggested. "If you aren't sure, tell me what you think you know."
Raven opened her textbook looking for the answer, then she raised up her hand and answer the question.
"The Patronus Charm is a charm that evokes a partially-tangible, positive energy force known as a Patronus. Patronuses are also called spirit guardians though this may only refer to corporeal Patronuses. It is primarily designed for defence against otherwise unbeatable Dark creatures like Dementors and Lethifolds, though there are other uses."
"The particular animal the corporeal Patronus takes the form of, like Animagus forms or sometimes it represent our love. A couple could have the same animal or a pair of animals. Such as stag and doe."
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Harlow raised her hand, "Hermione Granger's patronus was a otter. I'm not sure what that says about Hermione because otters are playful and social creatures." she commented.
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Kurumi was...just going to let the discussion between Lexi and Selina chill for a moment. They seemed to have come to a mutual understanding about whatever it was they were debating, but Kurumi thought they both brought up valid points nonetheless.
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Harlow raised her hand, "Hermione Granger's patronus was a otter. I'm not sure what that says about Hermione because otters are playful and social creatures." she commented.
Kurumi listened as someone mentioned Hermione Granger and her otter Patronus, and decided to chime in there for a moment. "Otters are also very curious creatures, and Hermione was certainly was very bright. You could link that to curiosity. Perhaps there is also something to be said about the notion of them, meaning otters, having something to do with imagination, awareness, faithfulness. She might not have been the most playful or social at first, but it took something special, her friendships with Harry and Ron, to bring that side out of her. Perhaps...that was the happy memory she used to conjure the Patronus...her friendship with the two boys."
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"The corporeal Patronus takes an animal form, relating to the personality and traits of its caster. You can refer to your textbooks for this next question. I'd like for you to discuss amongst yourselves some famous witches and wizards and their known Patronus forms. Given what we know about them; their achievements, their experiences, what do you think their Patronus form indicates about their personalities?"
" Um, there was this one witch named Ginny Weasley and her patronus was a horse. She was known for being quite a powerful witch . Her patronus was a horse because it is a beautiful and powerful at the same time". Maddy exclaimed.
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Minerva wasn't sure what this charm was nor did she know any wizards to know the answer, but she did remember her mom talking about some of the names the other students were talking about. "I know mom talked about the stories from her mom and she said about someone having a Rabbit. I just can't remember who."
"And it is time to begin. We are going to talk about, and yes we will practice, a certain charm today, one which is used in defensive magic." She paused and actually smiled again, relaxed now.
"Put your hand up and tell me what you know about the Patronus Charm." She suggested. "If you aren't sure, tell me what you think you know."
Patronus. Erin read about that charm. She'd even imagined a cat as hers. She just couldn't help herself but to adore them, especially because of the recent incident with her cat, Louisa.
Erin raised her hand to answer the professor's question, "By casting a Patronus Charm using your wand, some kind of a shield will erupt ind defense against Dementors."
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"Unable and unwilling." She agreed with a smile. "That's a good way to put it."
"So a Patronus Charm is a difficult charm which requires a strong happy memory and dedicated focus in order to cast it. That sounds easier than it is and even for those of you who might manage it in a safe and comfortable classroom, its less simple when faced with the true fear a Dementor inspires." Althea spoke to the children at large.
"It can be used to fend off Dementors and Lethifolds, and also to communicate and pass messages on, as much of your will needs to be infused into its creation." Just reiterating things.
"A Patronus may be substantial or insubstantial.... known as corporeal or incorporeal. Most of you will not manage an corporeal Patronus, at least not until you are older, but that is no reason not to learn about it now." Right?
"The corporeal Patronus takes an animal form, relating to the personality and traits of its caster. You can refer to your textbooks for this next question. I'd like for you to discuss amongst yourselves some famous witches and wizards and their known Patronus forms. Given what we know about them; their achievements, their experiences, what do you think their Patronus form indicates about their personalities?"
Too bad, no animal form yet. Erin hoped, she could do it sooner especially with lots of practices and strong determination. There was nothing Erin Heyman couldn't do.
Following Professor Schirmer's instructions, Erin opened her Charms textbook and look for someone whom she could discuss the Patronus of famous witches and wizards. She knew that the famous Harry Potter got a large stag while Snape had the form of a silver doe for a Patronus.
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Minerva wasn't sure what this charm was nor did she know any wizards to know the answer, but she did remember her mom talking about some of the names the other students were talking about. "I know mom talked about the stories from her mom and she said about someone having a Rabbit. I just can't remember who."
Even though Alyssa was still waiting to hear her fate, she couldn't keep silent any longer. Everybody was talking stuff about her family members and most of their reasoning made sense, but she couldn't keep silent anymore. Heck with the consequences, she was done with being good. So she raised her hand and spoke:
"Luna Lovegood was the one that had a Rabbit for a Patronus. But actually it was more of a hare. Someone also mentioned that the reason why Harry Potter's was a stag was because he was stubborn and unpredictable. I don't think that is why Harry's patronus was a stag. It was because he had characteristics of his father, James, whom he didn't know by the way. Remember he did have his mother's eyes and his mother's patronus was a doe. So it is more because he had both his parents traits that his patronus was a stag and not some other creature. And James Potter's patronus was a stag because he chose to be a Stag when he metamorphed. So his physical form as a Stag could have determined his Patronus. Remember he could have picked some other creature. Who knows maybe he chose that creature because Lily's patronus was a doe. So you see there's so many other possibilities why a person's patronus is what it is." Alyssa took a deep breath after that long spiel. She was done talking now.
Even though Alyssa was still waiting to hear her fate, she couldn't keep silent any longer. Everybody was talking stuff about her family members and most of their reasoning made sense, but she couldn't keep silent anymore. Heck with the consequences, she was done with being good. So she raised her hand and spoke:
"Luna Lovegood was the one that had a Rabbit for a Patronus. But actually it was more of a hare. Someone also mentioned that the reason why Harry Potter's was a stag was because he was stubborn and unpredictable. I don't think that is why Harry's patronus was a stag. It was because he had characteristics of his father, James, whom he didn't know by the way. Remember he did have his mother's eyes and his mother's patronus was a doe. So it is more because he had both his parents traits that his patronus was a stag and not some other creature. And James Potter's patronus was a stag because he chose to be a Stag when he metamorphed. So his physical form as a Stag could have determined his Patronus. Remember he could have picked some other creature. Who knows maybe he chose that creature because Lily's patronus was a doe. So you see there's so many other possibilities why a person's patronus is what it is." Alyssa took a deep breath after that long spiel. She was done talking now.
Raisin her hand Lexi turned to smile at the Hugglepuff that spoke. "Ihave to disagree. The Ministry lady who taught about Animagus transformations last term said that one does not choose the Animagus form one becomes, either. That, also, is a reflection of ones personality. Although, that COULD be why his Patronus also took that form, yes. But one doesn't get to choose the animagus form either."
Lexi wondered if she would turn into a Lynx like her Patronus if she were ever able to become an Animagus... Hmmmmmm.
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Kurumi perked up a bit when Alyssa seemed to calm down and get into the rhythm of the class discussion. As she listened, she found herself cocking her head to the side in agreement at points, while also thinking up other thoughts that could be built off what she was saying. "I don't think that simply having his father's characteristics was enough," she said still nodding in agreement. While she knew that the Puff didn't just mean physical appearance, others might be thinking so. "I think if Harry didn't recognize that he and his father shared similar features, both physically and with their personalities, then his Patronus would have taken on a different form. Harry's Patronus is a stag, because he idenifies with his father." She paused for a moment to think about the Animagus notion. Hadn't there been someone whose form was a beetle? Could you imagine producing a Patronus like a phoenix and then the person next to you a beetle? That thought was laughable. "A Patronus comes from the memory you use to produce it. Harry must have used a memory involving his parents when he produced his Patronus. I think that's why it took the form it did. Perhaps if he had used another memory it would have produced a different result?" Besides, she always thought about ones animagus form as being Animagus form as being a reflection of ones inner nature, not connected to memory, but the core of who a person is.
She flashed a look at Lexi. Hey, had they agreed on something? She smiled at her before glancing around the classroom for other input.
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Kennedy listened to what the others had to say. They all seem to know awfully a lot about these people...like a lot. Which he found quite strange. Drifting off from that, Kennedy thought of a person he read about. "Kingsley Shacklebolt...his Patronus was a lynx," he offered. "A-And, he was known to be intelligent, sharp-sightedness and observant," he said. Those were things that made up who that guy was. "His Patronus shows us that he had a strong personality." He was also a strong wizard, so that was probably part of it all.
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Kurumi perked up a bit when Alyssa seemed to calm down and get into the rhythm of the class discussion. As she listened, she found herself cocking her head to the side in agreement at points, while also thinking up other thoughts that could be built off what she was saying. "I don't think that simply having his father's characteristics was enough," she said still nodding in agreement. While she knew that the Puff didn't just mean physical appearance, others might be thinking so. "I think if Harry didn't recognize that he and his father shared similar features, both physically and with their personalities, then his Patronus would have taken on a different form. Harry's Patronus is a stag, because he idenifies with his father." She paused for a moment to think about the Animagus notion. Hadn't there been someone whose form was a beetle? Could you imagine producing a Patronus like a phoenix and then the person next to you a beetle? That thought was laughable. "A Patronus comes from the memory you use to produce it. Harry must have used a memory involving his parents when he produced his Patronus. I think that's why it took the form it did. Perhaps if he had used another memory it would have produced a different result?" Besides, she always thought about ones animagus form as being Animagus form as being a reflection of ones inner nature, not connected to memory, but the core of who a person is.
She flashed a look at Lexi. Hey, had they agreed on something? She smiled at her before glancing around the classroom for other input.
Alyssa did say that she wasn't going to say any more but she had to add something to what the Prefect Kurumi had said about Harry. "Kurumi, you mentioned that it was most likely Harry's memories of his parents that resulted in his patronus being a stag. But Harry didn't know his parents. They died when he was a baby. The only possible memory would be that of his mother screaming when she died. Could it be because people kept telling him that he reminded them of his father and that he had his mother's eyes that he eventually believed that it was true and that became his memories.
Different people had told him different things about his father. Professor Snape had told Harry that his father was a trouble maker and arrogant, while Sirius Black told Harry that James was a kind person and a loyal friend. What he knew about his father was based on heresay. So shouldn't his memories have caused a different Patronus to be formed every time, because his memories would have kept changing every time somebody mentioned something new about his father to him? Basically what I'm trying to say is why did it have to be a stag. Why couldn't it have been a doe or even something else altogether?"Alyssa hoped that she made sense. It couldn't have been because of his gender, because Professor Snape was a man and his patronus was a doe.
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Alyssa did say that she wasn't going to say any more but she had to add something to what the Prefect Kurumi had said about Harry. "Kurumi, you mentioned that it was most likely Harry's memories of his parents that resulted in his patronus being a stag. But Harry didn't know his parents. They died when he was a baby. The only possible memory would be that of his mother screaming when she died. Could it be because people kept telling him that he reminded them of his father and that he had his mother's eyes that he eventually believed that it was true and that became his memories.
Different people had told him different things about his father. Professor Snape had told Harry that his father was a trouble maker and arrogant, while Sirius Black told Harry that James was a kind person and a loyal friend. What he knew about his father was based on heresay. So shouldn't his memories have caused a different Patronus to be formed every time, because his memories would have kept changing every time somebody mentioned something new about his father to him? Basically what I'm trying to say is why did it have to be a stag. Why couldn't it have been a doe or even something else altogether?"Alyssa hoped that she made sense. It couldn't have been because of his gender, because Professor Snape was a man and his patronus was a doe.
Kurumi shrugged her shoulders. She was no expert on producing a Patronus and would be lucky if her attempts produced even simple white smoke most likely. She didn't really have a strong happy memory to rely on to perform the magic. "Most people didn't believe whatever Snape said, at least according to documents, so I doubt that Harry believed a word he said." It wasn't until later that Harry knew the truth, right? She thought she had read that somewhere. "There have been cases of people being able to produce a strong Patronus by simply looking at a picture." Maybe that was the reason they were also focusing on photographs in Potions? Merlin, were classes overlapping again in theme? Last time that had happened was when the entire school went non-magical crazy and she had nearly lost it. "Seeing a family photo including himself could have done it. Seeing how happy he was. As for why the stag, maybe Harry's inner self just resonated much more with his father, or who he thought his father was." Then again, it could all have been pure coincidence.
She leaned back in her seat a bit, stuck on the whole part about needing a memory to produce an animal form Patronus. What shape would hers take? She had no clue what her father's was...but she ought to write him and ask what memory he chose.
"Memories and how they resonate within a person..." hmmm...it made sense to her, but it was all just a theory. One had to have a happy memory in order to produce it. Could it be not so much on the memory itself, but how happiness manifested itself within a person? She was beginning to get a headache from all this. "Happiness and how it resonate within a person...wonder if Voldermort would have even been capable of producing one. If happy memories and happiness itself has no resonance within you, doesn't seem like you would be able to..."
She wasn't really talking to Alyssa only now, more so towards the general audience and whoever was listening.
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"That's right. Ideally with practice you'd be able to create the animal form, but not everyone can. It requires a lot of focus after all."
"That's what it is made from." She agreed with a smile.
"Absolutely."
"Yes that is an important use for the charm."
"That's right, a personality representation."
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"Were you going to answer my question?" Althea didn't pose it lightly. Invading other people's space was a thing.
She listened to the girl's answer and nodded.
"Expecto Patronum is the incantation. We'll get to that."
"Unable and unwilling." She agreed with a smile. "That's a good way to put it."
"So a Patronus Charm is a difficult charm which requires a strong happy memory and dedicated focus in order to cast it. That sounds easier than it is and even for those of you who might manage it in a safe and comfortable classroom, its less simple when faced with the true fear a Dementor inspires." Althea spoke to the children at large.
"It can be used to fend off Dementors and Lethifolds, and also to communicate and pass messages on, as much of your will needs to be infused into its creation." Just reiterating things.
"A Patronus may be substantial or insubstantial.... known as corporeal or incorporeal. Most of you will not manage an corporeal Patronus, at least not until you are older, but that is no reason not to learn about it now." Right?
"The corporeal Patronus takes an animal form, relating to the personality and traits of its caster. You can refer to your textbooks for this next question. I'd like for you to discuss amongst yourselves some famous witches and wizards and their known Patronus forms. Given what we know about them; their achievements, their experiences, what do you think their Patronus form indicates about their personalities?"
Professor Schrimer brought up a good point. What was the correlation between Patronus, and personality. There had to be something seeing as different cultures and mysticism had their forms of it - spirit guides, spirit animals, and true forms.
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Harvey listened to this short dicussion with interest. He had not known all this being a muggleborn so he tried to take it all in.
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"Hi, I'm India - ugh do you want to discuss this with me? I've got an easy one...relatively former Headmaster of Hogwarts Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore" she smiled. "Otherwise known as Headmaster Albus Dumbledore - he was a great man...or so I've heard." she smiled over to Harvey.
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Stella hadn't really thought her inclusion of Snape and Tonks's Patronuses were going to really get any responses, except for maybe from Professor Schirmer. In fact, she'd been surprised that nobody had brought them up before herself, since she'd figured everyone here would be well-aware of the stories since they involved Hogwarts itself. Even so, she'd been surprised when someone had replied to her, and turned to see the Gryffindor girl who she had to admit she'd wondered how she hadn't ended up a Ravenclaw like herself. She hadn't been ab le to really respond, however, as yet another Gryffindor had interjected and then what seemed like a serious debate occurred. Didn't really seem any point in her speaking then, although she agreed with the idea that Tonks' original Patronus probably was not a chameleon. That seemed too obvious, even with the fact that Patronuses usually had more to do with the person than just their abilities.
It brought her own to mind again, wondering what people would interpret regarding the fact hers was a unicorn. Of course, she'd only managed to produce it a couple times before, and only because Talia had pushed her to learn the charm, but still. It was intriguing. And it distracted her from the debate she'd unwittingly started.
Until she'd heard the topic shift to Patronuses in general, away from the debate about Tonks' Patronus specifically, and she'd looked up again and over to the girl who'd spoken to her in the first place. "I wonder if Voldemort even would have felt he needed a Patronus. I mean, didn't he manage to get the Dementors working on his side? And he didn't need one for messages either. So he might not have even bothered," she replied. At least she could get in her opinion now. "And regarding Harry Potter's Patronus, you're assuming he used the exact same memory every time, aren't you? I'd guess he probably did feel like he resonated with his father, but that doesn't mean the memory he used had anything to do with his parents. Whether or not he actually remembered them," she concluded, glancing at the little Hufflepuff who had spoken as well. That had been a good point, for how young the girl was.
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Kourtney listened to the discussion of Patronus forms with growing interest. This really was a fascinating subject and there was much to be explored. She thought that many good points were bought up, and she was trying her best to try to bring a valid point to the table. "I've...got to wonder." She began. "It sounds as though a patronus could possibly run through the family." She asked. "Like Kurumi mentioned, maybe Harry resonated with his father more than his mother. Not...consciously, but a sort of subconscious connection; one that was made even more powerful due to the way that his parents passed. I mean, Harry was only a baby when his parents died, but he had to have...some connection to them, so if that connection was severed in an abrupt manner such as murder, couldn't it essentially forge a kind of link? One that may present itself in the form of Harry's patronus? It's...rather difficult to explain, but I guess I"m trying to say it's a more...spiritual connection than anything, and...quite frankly, there are things that happen that we just don't understand how they work."
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Until she'd heard the topic shift to Patronuses in general, away from the debate about Tonks' Patronus specifically, and she'd looked up again and over to the girl who'd spoken to her in the first place. "I wonder if Voldemort even would have felt he needed a Patronus. I mean, didn't he manage to get the Dementors working on his side? And he didn't need one for messages either. So he might not have even bothered," she replied. At least she could get in her opinion now. "And regarding Harry Potter's Patronus, you're assuming he used the exact same memory every time, aren't you? I'd guess he probably did feel like he resonated with his father, but that doesn't mean the memory he used had anything to do with his parents. Whether or not he actually remembered them," she concluded, glancing at the little Hufflepuff who had spoken as well. That had been a good point, for how young the girl was.
Kurumi's brain was one giant melting pot of ideas, and that was a very dangerous thing because it always meant that she was over thinking things to the point where she often confused herself despite the logic being in there somewhere.
Okay, first things first. Voldemort. "I was just asking in theory, not if he would have ever wanted to produce one," she said for clarification. Clearly, her mind was stuck on the notion of a memory, a happy one, being necessary for producing a Patronus. Without it, it was just about intent like every other spell. Sure, you needed it to combat with the negative energies being brought about by Dementors, but she couldn't help but feel like there was more to that. "What makes one capable of producing as opposed to not being able to." Skill level aside.
She shook her head. "Not exactly, but I can see your point. I think I was looking at it from a broader viewpoint, perhaps how happiness resonates within each of us and that is what manifests itself in animal form. Having a huge shock to your system would certainly change your personal view on happiness and redefine it, which would explain why some people's Patronus changes."
Over analyzing? Yes please.
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Kurumi shrugged her shoulders. She was no expert on producing a Patronus and would be lucky if her attempts produced even simple white smoke most likely. She didn't really have a strong happy memory to rely on to perform the magic. "Most people didn't believe whatever Snape said, at least according to documents, so I doubt that Harry believed a word he said." It wasn't until later that Harry knew the truth, right? She thought she had read that somewhere. "There have been cases of people being able to produce a strong Patronus by simply looking at a picture." Maybe that was the reason they were also focusing on photographs in Potions? Merlin, were classes overlapping again in theme? Last time that had happened was when the entire school went non-magical crazy and she had nearly lost it. "Seeing a family photo including himself could have done it. Seeing how happy he was. As for why the stag, maybe Harry's inner self just resonated much more with his father, or who he thought his father was." Then again, it could all have been pure coincidence.
She leaned back in her seat a bit, stuck on the whole part about needing a memory to produce an animal form Patronus. What shape would hers take? She had no clue what her father's was...but she ought to write him and ask what memory he chose.
"Memories and how they resonate within a person..." hmmm...it made sense to her, but it was all just a theory. One had to have a happy memory in order to produce it. Could it be not so much on the memory itself, but how happiness manifested itself within a person? She was beginning to get a headache from all this. "Happiness and how it resonate within a person...wonder if Voldermort would have even been capable of producing one. If happy memories and happiness itself has no resonance within you, doesn't seem like you would be able to..."
She wasn't really talking to Alyssa only now, more so towards the general audience and whoever was listening.
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Stella hadn't really thought her inclusion of Snape and Tonks's Patronuses were going to really get any responses, except for maybe from Professor Schirmer. In fact, she'd been surprised that nobody had brought them up before herself, since she'd figured everyone here would be well-aware of the stories since they involved Hogwarts itself. Even so, she'd been surprised when someone had replied to her, and turned to see the Gryffindor girl who she had to admit she'd wondered how she hadn't ended up a Ravenclaw like herself. She hadn't been ab le to really respond, however, as yet another Gryffindor had interjected and then what seemed like a serious debate occurred. Didn't really seem any point in her speaking then, although she agreed with the idea that Tonks' original Patronus probably was not a chameleon. That seemed too obvious, even with the fact that Patronuses usually had more to do with the person than just their abilities.
It brought her own to mind again, wondering what people would interpret regarding the fact hers was a unicorn. Of course, she'd only managed to produce it a couple times before, and only because Talia had pushed her to learn the charm, but still. It was intriguing. And it distracted her from the debate she'd unwittingly started.
Until she'd heard the topic shift to Patronuses in general, away from the debate about Tonks' Patronus specifically, and she'd looked up again and over to the girl who'd spoken to her in the first place. "I wonder if Voldemort even would have felt he needed a Patronus. I mean, didn't he manage to get the Dementors working on his side? And he didn't need one for messages either. So he might not have even bothered," she replied. At least she could get in her opinion now. "And regarding Harry Potter's Patronus, you're assuming he used the exact same memory every time, aren't you? I'd guess he probably did feel like he resonated with his father, but that doesn't mean the memory he used had anything to do with his parents. Whether or not he actually remembered them," she concluded, glancing at the little Hufflepuff who had spoken as well. That had been a good point, for how young the girl was.
Indiana had kind of been listening to what some of her fellow students were saying, and taking in what they were saying. But she did have a comment to make about something, relating to Lord Voldemort. She raised her hand, did she even have to do that, before turning to Stella, and that Gryffindor Prefect, who seemed to be pretty clever. "I read somewhere..." Man she sounded so much like a nerd with all this reading. "That Severus Snape as the only Death Eater, or that wy inclined person, that could produce a patronus. So Maybe Lord Voldermort couldn't produce one at all? Maybe his personality was just too evil." And if he controlled the dementors surely they weren't about to go all bad on him right?
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"And it is time to begin. We are going to talk about, and yes we will practice, a certain charm today, one which is used in defensive magic." She paused and actually smiled again, relaxed now.
"Put your hand up and tell me what you know about the Patronus Charm." She suggested. "If you aren't sure, tell me what you think you know."
Daisy grinned. So, she was a second year, but having magical parents and an older brother meant she was intrested in this kinda stuff already. But were they going to be doing patronus charms? Because that would be hard, but so awesome and although she was only a second year, Dasiy felt that in this class she could still have a go. She enjoyed DADA and often read into things like this. In fact, she was sure she had read all about the patronus charm, so, feeling quite confident, Daisy raised her hand. 'A patronus charm is the charm that wards off dementors.' she answered. 'They're really hard to produce, but a good one is really effective. A patronus charm is unique to everyone, and takes the form of a different animal to different people.'
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Mordred nodded his head and got his DADA book. “What do you think your Patronus would be?” he asked the boy. He himself cannot wait to find out his own spirit guardian. He opened his book and quickly read about the different patronuses of noted wizards and witches. “I remember getting Andros the Invincible’s Chocolate Frog Card, and it says there that he is the only wizard to cast a GIANT patronus. How cool is that?” he smiled at the boy and continued to read. "He must be very powerful to come up with a patronus like that. He must be overflowing with magic."
Andros the Invicible... The name somehow sounds familiar to Aiden. Who was he again? She thinks for a short moment before addressing the housemate she hasn't seen for quite a while now. "Wasn't he the only known wizard to able to produce the Patronus Charm wandlessly?"she says with an impressed look showed on her face. Giant and wandless Patronus Charm must be impossible to others in logic sense. Even if it is tried by great wizards in history such as Albus Dumbledore, Harry Potter and even Voldemort (if he is capable of producing the charm).
In response to Professor Schirmer's question.
"Love," she says simply. "Love can influence one's Patronus. Take the example of Nymphadora Lupin, an auror in 1990's and one of our former headmaster himself, Severus Snape. The auror was deeply in love with werewolf Remus Lupin that caused her Patronus to shift to one. And Professor Snape's Patronus which was a doe was influenced by his long, undying love for Lily Potter," Aiden elaborates with quite much admiration in her voice.
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