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As you walk into the History of Magic classroom the first thing you notice is how warm the usual drafty room seems to be despite the lack of a fireplace, in fact some people would call it down right welcoming.
Professor Scabior is uncharacteristically not by his desk, instead he looms right by the door offering the faintest of smiles at you as you enter. "Morning."
The desks have once again been re-arranged so that four desks are alligned per row, just to give the classroom a slightly different look. Sadly, no colourful inks or fancy quills were on the desks this time, but that didn't mean nothing was placed on them. Upon the middle of each desk rested a world map, detailed and filled with its own kind of information.
Kindly take your seat and lower your voices, after all, there is no reason why points should be lost today.
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Nigel hoped Anya was not hurt because it looked like the Professor was whispering stuff to the Nurse and pointing at Anya. Hopefully the Nurse will fix her, the other students, and professors who were frozen. But Nigel could not really do anything about freezing students and professors. So back to the class and Professor Scabior's question.
Hmm.... Plato was a wizard, well that would explain things if Atlantis was a wizarding city. Even if it was underwater, which would be soooo cool. But Nigel had no idea if he was or not. Nigel was still think about how a city could be underwater if not with merpeople. It would seem like every human would die down there. Nigel did not know, so he thought why not take a guess. He raised his hand and said
"Professor, maybe Plato was a wizard who just loved doing smart muggle things. Maybe he just want to start a rumor among muggles about Atlantis and it did not matter if it existed or not."
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"Now many of you believed that the city itself sounded like a wizarding city. Why? Well, for one the rumour of it being underwater." Sounded like something wizards would do. "But if this is the case, was Plato a wizard?" And if they thought he was, WHY, and if they thought he wasn't, still WHY.
Knowing WHAT the man was, would determine, if the city had indeed been filled with Witches and Wizards, or Muggles.
The rumour of it being underwater...
Waaaaait. If there were wizards... and the city was underwater... WHAT IF THEY WERE STILL ALIVE?! But hidden, and apparently very well. Coming to think of it, they could use bubble head charms, or create a large bubble around the city... and maybe they used similar charms as Hogwarts has around it, so muggles wouldn't find it... which is why no one actually knows the exact place where Atlantis has been...
Oh, dear.
Trying to banish away those INSANE ideas, Nora focused on what professor Scabior was telling them. Plato, a wizard? Uh... "I don't think so, professor," she said with a hand in the air. "Really smart, yes... but I don't think he was a wizard. Or if he was, he must have known a lot more than what he wrote about."
So, the healer was here. She would take care of the little 'dork girl there. All was good. Not that Joăo Neves cared. It was only good to know people would stop cutting the lesson off because of that girl.
Back to the topic of Plato.
"I think back in those times there were only a few people on the world when compared to today that there was harmony among people. They were less greedy, they shared." His voice was very neutral, scientific even. He didn't long for such an athmosphere, no, because he was an admirer of the power himself. He was just explaining his idea. "I don't think that everyone knew about the wizards, but the wise lot like Plato did. So, I think he was a Muggle, but he interacted with them."
"Now many of you believed that the city itself sounded like a wizarding city. Why? Well, for one the rumour of it being underwater." Sounded like something wizards would do. "But if this is the case, was Plato a wizard?" And if they thought he was, WHY, and if they thought he wasn't, still WHY.
Knowing WHAT the man was, would determine, if the city had indeed been filled with Witches and Wizards, or Muggles.[/color]
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So Atlantis IS a real city and its underwater. That's cool!
Plato a wizard? Hmm.. "Maybe he's a Squib?" he said after raised his hand up in the air. "Outcast by his own family because he didn't have any magic?" That could explain his knowledge on the Atlantis City, right? "And I think maybe its one of the reason why he's not so famous here."
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Aspen wasn't exactly the type to scoff, and certainly not one to dismiss other ideas... but...
"I think it's naive to think that just because he's not in our history books specifically as a wizard - to believe he wasn't. I mean, he's a brilliant figure in history with a penchant for secrecy, who has ties to a secret city -- why couldn't he also keep his magical blood secret?" He probably could.
Aspen liked that. She liked being able to keep a shroud of mystery. Maybe he was a distant, distant, distant relative.
"And...I think it's possible he was tied to the merpeople said to live in Atlantis. Maybe he was a realtor? Sold Atlantis to the merpeople for some.... thing. A trade. I'd trade land for knowledge, and he was certainly the knowledge-seeking type."
He could not be a wizard, there was not fathomable way for him to be a wizard. Plato had a steep belief in the forms and the allegory of the cave. If he was a wizard there would be no reason for him to believe in the forms- magic would have explained that logic much more simply. His life long search for the intellectual upper realm in philosophy would have been mute if he was in fact a wizard. If he was a wizard she would be very surprised. Her logical train of thought discounted this possibility. Her mother had read his Republic when she young because she thought it was important. So everything he knew about him, it was unlikely.
But how could she simply explain the theory of the forms to this class? It had taken her months to even understand what the theory even entailed and she was still a little fuzzy. Philosophy was hard. However, she rose her anyway and said in a way that she hoped he understood, "I don't think he could be a wizard. He was a such a firm believer in his theory of the forms that if magic existed there would have been no reason to come up with his theory. He spent his whole life on that theory. If he were a wizard no theory would have cropped up. And I don't know why he would talk about Atlantis, sir."
Then she watched the healer walk in and kept her in her peripherals the whole time.
Annabelle heard her classmates arguments about what they believed. Then she spoke out about what she believed. "Professor, i believe that Plato was not a wizard. He was set on his theory that something exists based on the human senses. If he was a wizard then i don't see why he would have a theory to prove. Plato is not so famous in the wizarding world as in the muggle world but i knew he loved to teach. Teaching can lead to interaction with wizards which i believe made Atlantis seem more real to people.. That was her best answer she got.
Louisa almost sighed in relief as the Healer went in. She kept her hawk-like eyes on the woman and the man as they whispered stuff to each other, Scabior in particular eying the students like a bunch of stupid pygmy puffs. Blehh.
And then they went on with the lesson... geez, this man had his emotions locked up in a box somewhere! No wonder he was woman-less. Heh.
"I think Plato was not a wizard, no. Like some already said, he had this theory about Atlantis city. If he'd found it due to his magical nature, then he wouldn't have made a theory about it, trying to convince the muggle world of it or tell them about it." Made sense to her.
The Prefect then moved her attention back to the Healer and Anya.
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Alyssa listened as the other students gave their answers. 'Wow, profound question. Was Plato a wizard or not?' Alyssa thought to herself. She listened as the the others gave their opinion and nodded in agreement with some of them. Then she raised her hand and answered.
"Professor I don'l believe that Plato was a wizard. He was a great mathematician, philosopher and even studied alchemy which many people believe that if you did, you must have be some kind of wizard."
"However, I believe that he was a muggle who may have known people who were wizards but he kept their secret to himself."
"If Plato was a wizard, being as wise as he was, I'm sure that he would have used his abilities to do more than what he was famous for doing. Like someone said earlier, we all know Merlin was a great wizard because his abilities were known by everyone far and wide."
"I don't think Plato would have been able to keep his magical abilities a secret if he had been a wizard. It would just have been impossible to do so especially when he was already well known and all his achievements were already under scrutiny."
"When he wrote about the existence of Atlantis in his papers, his knowledge about the place stemmed from the accounts of someone named Solon who himself reported that he met a priest in Egypt who has translated the history of Atlantis. Where that priest got his knowledge of Atlantis from, no one knows."
"As for Atlantis, even if Atlantis was a magical city, there really are no accounts of Plato actually visiting it, although it may have been a possibility. We just have to remember that anything he wrote about it was told to him by other sources."
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Was Plato a wizard?...
Nah... Lily didn't think that it really made sense that he would be a wizard, and go out and talk about a hidden wizard city/town. One of the other kids had said it. "I think he was a squib also, only I think that he got mad that he wasn't a wizard so he went out and wrote about Atlantis to get back at his friends who were wizards." That made logical sense. The second year figured that Plato would have been mad to not be a wizard but have lived around them. Who wouldn't if they were constantly surrounded by magical folk but couldn't do magic themselves??
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He felt someone enter the room. He turned in his seat and nearly cried out with relief when he saw the Healer checking in on Anya, who until now has not unfrozen. He watched the Healer exchange a few private words with the Historian and although he can see their lips clearly, his blasted deaf ear made it difficult to hear the whisperings despite his proximity. But the Healer was here and right now she was one of his last hopes for this "Uhm Healer Tillstorm..." he started, raising a more desperate hand this time "... would you happen to have a... potion or a vaccine to keep us from getting.... that?" he asked gesturing to Anya and trying to keep his voice from rising to the hysterics.
Hearing someone call her name Cece turned back towards the students to see an older Ravenclaw boy with his hand up. "I'm sorry but I don't have anything like that." With not knowing what was causing this to happen there really was no way for her to prevent it from happening to others. "I'm sure you have nothing to worry about." Unless he was a prefect or a quidditch player. Although, there was that one girl from his house. Yeah, she wasn't going to mention that to him though. She also wasn't going to mention the fact that Anya had been practically standing on top of krummy when she arrived in the potions class. Meaning maybe this was contagious.
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He had not been paying enough attention, at least not to who was exiting and entering the room. His eyes flickered to the Healer, slightly surprised to see her making her way up, already in the middle of the class. A bit of relief washed over him, simply because finally students could shut up and listen to his lesson. Scabior flicked his wand, removing the temporary invisible barrier he had just put around the frozen girl.
"Perfect timing too, just finished dealing with rioting students." There was a touch of edge to his voice, he was clearly still annoyed. Symptoms? Dash did a quick glance around the class before lowering his voice. "That one over there,-" He pointed to Lea who was now at the back of the room. "-Has some obvious brain damage since she tried to shake Anya." Just...so stupid. "Other than that? No. She herself didn't show any symptoms that I am aware of. Started talked, and then just nothing. Froze." So that was that then yes? Cece would take her and hopefully find out a way to return her back to her normal loud self. "If theres anything else...." And if there wasn't? Well, he had to get back to his class.
He cleared his throat a bit, giving Cece a look. "So as many of you said, Plato a famous Greek philosopher who was really interested in learning and promoted higher learning and all of that. And for those of you who have absolutely no clue who he is, just think of him as Tate. Except smarter. Much smarter." Much. More like him probably then, but Dash didn't really promote higher learning.
Her attention was pulled back to the professor when he mentioned someone having brain damage. Looking to the back of the room where he was pointing she noticed a younger student sitting there looking normal enough to her. "I highly doubt she has brain damage just because she shook Anya. She was probably just trying to snap her out of her frozen state." That was a normal enough reaction for a kid in this situation.
Really? Just like that the professor was going to go back to his lesson? He couldn't even wait five minutes until Cece had been able to take Anya out of the room? "Really Professor, you could at least wait until I'm gone before you continue your class. I'm sure Plato won't mind the delay."
Moving over to Anya she did a quick check to make sure she was still breathing. Yep, same as all the others. Only this one was sitting, with her arms up looking like she was about to applaud or something. Oh and her mouth was wide open. Hopefully nothing flew into her mouth on the way to the infirmary. Pointing her wand at the girl she carefully levitated her out of her seat making sure she didn't tip over. This was going to be interesting getting her up to the third floor in this sitting position.
Slowly making her way towards the door she looked around at everyone. "Don't let me stop your learning here. Please, carry on with your discussion about Plato and his little world." Yes, there was a very sarcastic tone to her voice. Giving one last glare at the professor she made her way out the door towards the infirmary.
Kennedy was a tad relieved when he was Healer Tillstorm enter. He was beginning to grow anxious of not knowing what was causing students to freeze. He certainly didn't want to be one of them. Maybe it was time to tell his father what was going on here. Wayne could send him a special shield or something.
He focused back on the lesson. Truth be told, Kennedy didn't care much about philosophers and things like lost cities, but this wasn't his class. So, yeah. But he raised his hand to pitch in. "I don't believe Plato was a wizard," he said. "Just because the man was clever it doesn't make him a wizard. Brains can't be compared to magic." For example, a muggle could most definitely be smarter than a wizard. Kennedy felt like almost saying "in my opinion" at the end of his sentence because Scabior still looked displeased. Now, Kennedy wasn't in a good mood. Scabior's mood was contagious.
The corners of Kennedy's almost stretched into a grin. You tell him, Healer Tillstorm! But then she was done and leaving with Anya. He should swing by later and check on Sierra everyone.
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Penelope might've responded, but Professor Scabber - she didn't really remember his name, but it was something like that - was STILL just continuing on with his class, and a lot of the other students were STILL just going along with it, so she just sat there in her seat, glaring down at her desk with her arms crossed. She refused to answer any of these questions or take notes. Why should she care about Plato or Atlantis or any of that stuff anyway? That stuff wasn't important since it wasn't going to help unfreeze Anya or Kurumi or any of the others.
Meh.
And then, finally, the Healer arrived. Penelope looked up from staring at her desk to watch the Healer talk with Scabber the professor and then start levitating Anya. And...wait.
Was she not happy that he was continuing on with the lesson either?
Yep, that was what it sounded like.
This woman was instantly her favorite adult person in this castle. She was cool.
But then she was gone, and Penelope hadn't really paid attention to what the last question was, so she continued to sit there silently, though she was no longer glaring at her desk.
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Was Plato a wizard? Heck if Emmanuelle knew. But she did ponder the question. In fact, she thought about it so hard, she thought her brain might explode. Her conclusion? "I don't think there's anyway to be sure. On one hand, he could've been a wizard because he knew about Atlantis. On the other hand, maybe prior to Atlantis disappearing, wizards just weren't so worried about being found out. This was prior to the witch hunts after all. So, muggles might have been more welcoming of magic back then. Maybe Atlantis was a city of both muggle and wizarding folks and Plato was recording it for posterity. Or writing about it for some sort of celebration..."
She hoped that had made sense.
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Sophie really had no idea about professor Scabior's next question. She had never really though about Plato being a wizard... but that could've been because he knew how to hide the fact very well? Or maybe he was just a muggle anyway. She really didn't know and thought it would be pointless to guess.
She watched the whole Healer Tillstorm scene with her eyebrows raised. That was... weird. She blinked at professor Scabior a couple of times before grabbing her quill to take a few notes on what her classmates were talking. She still couldn't decided whether Plato was a wizard or a muggle.
"Brains can't be compared to magic." Nice one! She gave the Slytherin prefect a small smile before turning her head down to her parchment and writing what he had just said.
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Jory thought about the question. "I don't think he was a wizard. But he could have been a squib or knew about the wizarding world,'' he said. "He was a great mathematician, philosopher and alchemist, I'm not sure any wizarding folk was into Maths.''
"Now, because Plato really did influence a lot of people and systems. Think about how possible is it that Atlantis existed. Remember, Plato was the only one to write anything about it. Could a man who had really lived his life based on education and facts really lie about something such as a city existing?" It wasn't his next question. He just let the idea sink in. "It just doesn't seem likely does it? What benefit would it be for him to lie?" None at all.
And so the conclusion was?
"Atlantis is still a real city." Point blank. It was no fable.
"Now many of you believed that the city itself sounded like a wizarding city. Why? Well, for one the rumour of it being underwater." Sounded like something wizards would do. "But if this is the case, was Plato a wizard?" And if they thought he was, WHY, and if they thought he wasn't, still WHY.
Knowing WHAT the man was, would determine, if the city had indeed been filled with Witches and Wizards, or Muggles.[/color]
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Laura looked at the Professor. "I don't care what the nurse say Professor, I think Plato is of great importance to us." Laura smiled at the Professor the nurse had no right to tell the Professor off for continuing the lesson after all this was a classroom and the silly healer should know that.
Laura smiled at the Professor and then decided to answer the Question. "Professor that's a hard question to answer because if Pluto was a wizard why didn't he know more and if he wasn't they he was a very clever muggle." Laura couldn't decided. "So on this partical question I am sat on the fence."
Oichi was reallystarting to think quite a few of her professors were off there rocker. In a couple of classes studrnts froze and the class went on a bitlonger. Something seemed very off kilter about all this. Though if it is happening in many classes then whatever it is is spreding or traveling throughout the school which means. Eeeeek, I hope it never effects me but for now, class. How can I concentrate during a time like this. I have to try. Oichi raised her hand and responded, "Plato could have been a wizard, he may have been muggleborn and his powers were discovered and over time he discovered people like himself and found out about at Atlantis but chose to stay on the muggle world because that is what he was used to."
He cleared his throat a bit, giving Cece a look. "So as many of you said, Plato a famous Greek philosopher who was really interested in learning and promoted higher learning and all of that. And for those of you who have absolutely no clue who he is, just think of him as Tate. Except smarter. Much smarter."Much. More like him probably then, but Dash didn't really promote higher learning.
"Now, because Plato really did influence a lot of people and systems. Think about how possible is it that Atlantis existed. Remember, Plato was the only one to write anything about it. Could a man who had really lived his life based on education and facts really lie about something such as a city existing?" It wasn't his next question. He just let the idea sink in. "It just doesn't seem likely does it? What benefit would it be for him to lie?" None at all.
And so the conclusion was?
"Atlantis is still a real city." Point blank. It was no fable.
"Now many of you believed that the city itself sounded like a wizarding city. Why? Well, for one the rumour of it being underwater." Sounded like something wizards would do. "But if this is the case, was Plato a wizard?" And if they thought he was, WHY, and if they thought he wasn't, still WHY.
Knowing WHAT the man was, would determine, if the city had indeed been filled with Witches and Wizards, or Muggles.
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Sarassi frowned another student frozen, her sister had froze and now her sister was frozen. She hadnt unfrozen and now Sarassi was very very nervous. If her sister didnt unfreeze then-no she didnt want to think about that. She returned her attention back to the Professor. Of course she had knew that Atlantis was real. Who didnt? I think that Plato was a squib or he could have been a wizard. As people said he didnt know very much about it maybe he made sure not to reveal to much information out as the whole muggles cant know about magic thing.
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Milton did not enjoy being called an idiot. Just a heads up. He could deal with losing ten points, but he did not appreciate the name-calling. I'm not the one being an idiot," he mumbled quietly under his breath as Scabior kept talking.
He sat in his chair with his arms folded over his chest, glaring at everything in general as the class continued. Finally, the healer showed up and he watched little, frozen Anya as she was levitated out of her seat. Strangely enough, Milton almost seemed to have been genuinely worried about her... But if one asked, he would deny any such feelings of attachment.
Once that was over, Milton returned his attention back to the class. He saw one of girls who spoke up earlier, Penelope, who also seemed rather displeased still. Milton continued to sit in his chair, refusing to participate or take notes.
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Plato? He was a greek guy, right? Alex couldn't keep his muggle philosophers straight. Was he the one who had been killed? No, that was Socrates. Right? GAH this was all making his head spin. He raised his hand anyways, because he had at least a couple ideas about this Plato guy.
"Well, I think it's possible he could have been a wizard or a squib, because he was a follower of that Socrates guy, right? Socrates was like the head honcho and he taught them all everything he knew...what if he was like, the first wizarding professor??" he added. "But at the same time, maybe Plato wasn't magical at all and Socrates was, he just chose to keep it a secret and that was how Plato came about the knowledge of Atlantis," he explained. Ya never know.
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10 points? Control yourself. Glenn calmed her breathing, still glaring at the Professor. She couldn't bring herself to answer the last questions while she was still calming down. She couldn't lose Hufflepuff any more points. 'Course, he might take points away for just annoying him. Far from apologizing, Glenn stared at the ground, her eyes flicking upwards as she heard the door open.
Good. The healer was here. Unfreeze Anya maybe...?
Right. To answer the question. She raised her hand and said in a constricted voice, "I think Plato was a wizard because the rumour about Atlantis being underwater and most muggles believing that it doesn't exist, would make sense that it was a wizarding city. And, if Plato was the only one that seemed to know about it... he had to be a wizard that had lived in the city." Because surely the magical people who lived there would protect it from muggles although - Glenn wasn't sure if they actually had the Statue of Secrecy all the way back then...
"Makes sense. Though if he were a wizard, why would he want to tell Muggles about a wizarding city?" That was the big question.
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Seeing her Professor smirk from her answer wasn't a good thing. Didn't he know that smirking was unpleasant. Especially for such a unique answer? If you do not have knowledge, you would never have something to answer questions. And knowledge was very important, not only to Ravenclaws but to everybody in this class. They never lived with Plato before.
She eyed the professor as he explained what happened to Anya to Healer Tillstorm in a whisper: probably including the unexpected reaction of Lea Carter as she shook her friend deliberately assuming that she would wake up. And before Erin could rearranged her thoughts carefully, another question was given.
Was Plato a wizard? Erin contemplated on raising her hand to answer the professor. The thought of Plato being a wizard never occurred to her, ever in her wildest thoughts. But that could be possible, right? "Probably. Because he knew about the Atlantis City." This question required lots of thinking and she couldn't really find in her mind the exact reason to justify her answer, so she just went to the obvious. "...he might have gone there with Socrates and his other, errr...friends. Does that mean that Socrates was also a wizard?" Eh?
"So if he were a Muggle could he go to the city?" Scabior raised a brow. "Socrates just might have been. Maybe." That depended.
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Was Plato a wizard?
Gary didn't know if he was a wizard or not. But he had ever read about Plato somewhere. Okay, he found some information about Atlantis and some people guessed that it was a wizarding city but did it mean that he was a wizard? Gary didn't think so. "Professor." said him while he raised his hand. "Well, I don't think Plato was a wizard since his name was more popular in muggle world as a Greek Philosopher and mathematician. If he was a wizard, maybe his name would be as famous as Merlin." Did it make sense? He hoped so.
"And base from his famous work, nothing of them showed that there was a Wizarding theory I think." He continued. Today he sounded as clever as Ravenclaw actually. He found this topic was very interesting. Nodded.
"That makes sense. So are you saying that Atlantis was a Muggle city?" Ah. Question.
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That would be Plato?
*blink* Wait.... are they discussing if Plato was a Wizard?
Well talk about turning things on its head...
Icy blues glances towards the frozen Gryffindor being attended to by the Healer, although this time maybe he wasnt really seeing them, his brain trying to reconcile historical accounts of Plato versus facts about themselves as a Magical People. Its true that with the International Statute of Wizarding Secrecy still a thousand years from being conceptualized, the Magical moved in and out of Muggle societies freely. But then again, so did Muggles, whether or not they were aware of it. After much internal wrangling the Ravenclaw raised a tentative hand "Plato... was a strong proponent of the abstract, you can see it plainly in the works and the words that he left behind." he paused for a moment because up until that point the ancient Philosopher still sounded believably Muggle "But some researchers have said that there was more of his work that is undocumented-- that he insisted on keeping undocumented, and would only discuss with a select few and when these people are actually around him. Also for someone who had such prodigious work, to be mentored and to mentor fellow Philosophers who were and would become as celebrated as he was -- its quite possible that he was a Wizard, or have close ties to Wizards who shared their knowledge with him freely, and without any law that remotely resembled the International Statute of Wizarding Secrecy, there was nothing that would keep Muggles and Wizards from sharing knowledge freely other than their own sensibilities."
"Well you are right on both ends."" That was the big question.
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Minerva still wasn't sure about Plato. She listened to the discussion. "Professor, I don't feel Plato was a wizard. Muggles know to much about him. They know his entire life and his work that he did. If we was a wizard I don't feel that muggles would have known that much about him. Yes he might have been in books and many things rumored, but not documented and examples so easily to study."
"That's beyond a good point." Something probably would have slipped.
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Hmmm...the professor made good points and made Hannah think that maybe this wasn't a wizarding city afterall. I mean sure the whole muggles not knowing about it and most believed it to not exist sounds like something that might be magical, but this Plato dude was obviously a muggle. This had to be why Hannah did not know about him.
"Professor I don't think Plato is a wizard because we would know about him in the wizarding world and the muggles would not know about him at all." Did that even make sense? "I think the muggles know too much about him for him to be a wizard." About the city being under water, Hannah didn't know how to go about that. Maybe the muggles didn't really care about what this fool was talking about and didn't care to go look for it.
"Right." He nodded. Again, that made sense.
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Originally Posted by TakemetotheBurrow
So the healer would take care of Anya now, yeah? She would know what to do to make her better? To make all of the frozen people better? Ella hoped so...because all the frozen people were really starting to freak her out.
Back to Plato...could Plato have been a wizard? Well he was the one person to write about Atlantis, and he was a teacher as Professor Scabior said. Teachers didn't tend to lie about facts and figures, at least as far as Ella could tell. So he had to be a wizard, right? But what if Plato found out about wizards and made up a theory about them and where they lived...based on facts he had from other civilizations that he studied? Could that be possible? "Professor, could Plato have been a muggle who believed wizards and witches existed in Atlantis...and he wrote about the city based on what he thought it might be like based on previous knowledge of other places? That would explain why there isn't really any clear information out there on it. Maybe the information was covered up?" This was a stretch but Ella's imagination was running kind of wild at the moment and besides, wizards could obliviate people's memories. What if they had done that to Plato?
"You are actually sort of along the lines there." Sort of.
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Originally Posted by Meizzner
Nigel hoped Anya was not hurt because it looked like the Professor was whispering stuff to the Nurse and pointing at Anya. Hopefully the Nurse will fix her, the other students, and professors who were frozen. But Nigel could not really do anything about freezing students and professors. So back to the class and Professor Scabior's question.
Hmm.... Plato was a wizard, well that would explain things if Atlantis was a wizarding city. Even if it was underwater, which would be soooo cool. But Nigel had no idea if he was or not. Nigel was still think about how a city could be underwater if not with merpeople. It would seem like every human would die down there. Nigel did not know, so he thought why not take a guess. He raised his hand and said
"Professor, maybe Plato was a wizard who just loved doing smart muggle things. Maybe he just want to start a rumor among muggles about Atlantis and it did not matter if it existed or not."
"That's not likely, but alright." He nodded.
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Originally Posted by nogoodforyou
The rumour of it being underwater...
Waaaaait. If there were wizards... and the city was underwater... WHAT IF THEY WERE STILL ALIVE?! But hidden, and apparently very well. Coming to think of it, they could use bubble head charms, or create a large bubble around the city... and maybe they used similar charms as Hogwarts has around it, so muggles wouldn't find it... which is why no one actually knows the exact place where Atlantis has been...
Oh, dear.
Trying to banish away those INSANE ideas, Nora focused on what professor Scabior was telling them. Plato, a wizard? Uh... "I don't think so, professor," she said with a hand in the air. "Really smart, yes... but I don't think he was a wizard. Or if he was, he must have known a lot more than what he wrote about."
"If he was, then yes, he would have."
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Originally Posted by Deniiz
So, the healer was here. She would take care of the little 'dork girl there. All was good. Not that Joăo Neves cared. It was only good to know people would stop cutting the lesson off because of that girl.
Back to the topic of Plato.
"I think back in those times there were only a few people on the world when compared to today that there was harmony among people. They were less greedy, they shared." His voice was very neutral, scientific even. He didn't long for such an athmosphere, no, because he was an admirer of the power himself. He was just explaining his idea. "I don't think that everyone knew about the wizards, but the wise lot like Plato did. So, I think he was a Muggle, but he interacted with them."
"Well people probably interacted more freely without even knowing it, and those who did know of it were probably more intellectual." He nodded.
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Originally Posted by Poolicious
So Atlantis IS a real city and its underwater. That's cool!
Plato a wizard? Hmm.. "Maybe he's a Squib?" he said after raised his hand up in the air. "Outcast by his own family because he didn't have any magic?" That could explain his knowledge on the Atlantis City, right? "And I think maybe its one of the reason why he's not so famous here."
"Oh!" Scabior's reaction changed just slightly, almost pleasantly. "That is a good assumption as well."
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Aspen wasn't exactly the type to scoff, and certainly not one to dismiss other ideas... but...
"I think it's naive to think that just because he's not in our history books specifically as a wizard - to believe he wasn't. I mean, he's a brilliant figure in history with a penchant for secrecy, who has ties to a secret city -- why couldn't he also keep his magical blood secret?" He probably could.
Aspen liked that. She liked being able to keep a shroud of mystery. Maybe he was a distant, distant, distant relative.
"And...I think it's possible he was tied to the merpeople said to live in Atlantis. Maybe he was a realtor? Sold Atlantis to the merpeople for some.... thing. A trade. I'd trade land for knowledge, and he was certainly the knowledge-seeking type."
So, the girl was calling half had her classmates naive. Scabior wanted to snort, but instead the man just gave a nod. As if to say he agreed with her somewhat."You do have a point there.." He nodded.
As for the trade bit? "Atlantis was a trade!" Scabior paused though. He was getting to ahead. "Though I do not think Plato was a relator."
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Originally Posted by fanficfanatict
He could not be a wizard, there was not fathomable way for him to be a wizard. Plato had a steep belief in the forms and the allegory of the cave. If he was a wizard there would be no reason for him to believe in the forms- magic would have explained that logic much more simply. His life long search for the intellectual upper realm in philosophy would have been mute if he was in fact a wizard. If he was a wizard she would be very surprised. Her logical train of thought discounted this possibility. Her mother had read his Republic when she young because she thought it was important. So everything he knew about him, it was unlikely.
But how could she simply explain the theory of the forms to this class? It had taken her months to even understand what the theory even entailed and she was still a little fuzzy. Philosophy was hard. However, she rose her anyway and said in a way that she hoped he understood, "I don't think he could be a wizard. He was a such a firm believer in his theory of the forms that if magic existed there would have been no reason to come up with his theory. He spent his whole life on that theory. If he were a wizard no theory would have cropped up. And I don't know why he would talk about Atlantis, sir."
Then she watched the healer walk in and kept her in her peripherals the whole time.
She was talking about theory? Scabior nudged his head to members of the class. "Ravenclaws often come up with a lot of theory." And drama.
Ah. Plato, what WERE you?
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Annabelle heard her classmates arguments about what they believed. Then she spoke out about what she believed. "Professor, i believe that Plato was not a wizard. He was set on his theory that something exists based on the human senses. If he was a wizard then i don't see why he would have a theory to prove. Plato is not so famous in the wizarding world as in the muggle world but i knew he loved to teach. Teaching can lead to interaction with wizards which i believe made Atlantis seem more real to people.. That was her best answer she got.
Scabior nodded. "Yes, but he didn't exactly teach people about Atlantis."
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Originally Posted by Magical Soul
Louisa almost sighed in relief as the Healer went in. She kept her hawk-like eyes on the woman and the man as they whispered stuff to each other, Scabior in particular eying the students like a bunch of stupid pygmy puffs. Blehh.
And then they went on with the lesson... geez, this man had his emotions locked up in a box somewhere! No wonder he was woman-less. Heh.
"I think Plato was not a wizard, no. Like some already said, he had this theory about Atlantis city. If he'd found it due to his magical nature, then he wouldn't have made a theory about it, trying to convince the muggle world of it or tell them about it." Made sense to her.
The Prefect then moved her attention back to the Healer and Anya.
It made sense. Though a lot of these things did. "If he had been trying to convince Muggles, don't you find it a bit strange that he only wrote about it once?." Curious.
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Originally Posted by Princesspower
She knew who plato was! He was a gree philosopher like a while ago. She moved on to the next query.
Was plato a wizard? "No, I think plato was not a wizard, as howc ould someone live such a public life among muggles as a wizard?" said sarah.
"Oh trust me. It's possible."
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Originally Posted by FireboltAvis88
Alyssa listened as the other students gave their answers. 'Wow, profound question. Was Plato a wizard or not?' Alyssa thought to herself. She listened as the the others gave their opinion and nodded in agreement with some of them. Then she raised her hand and answered.
"Professor I don'l believe that Plato was a wizard. He was a great mathematician, philosopher and even studied alchemy which many people believe that if you did, you must have be some kind of wizard."
"However, I believe that he was a muggle who may have known people who were wizards but he kept their secret to himself."
"If Plato was a wizard, being as wise as he was, I'm sure that he would have used his abilities to do more than what he was famous for doing. Like someone said earlier, we all know Merlin was a great wizard because his abilities were known by everyone far and wide."
"I don't think Plato would have been able to keep his magical abilities a secret if he had been a wizard. It would just have been impossible to do so especially when he was already well known and all his achievements were already under scrutiny."
"When he wrote about the existence of Atlantis in his papers, his knowledge about the place stemmed from the accounts of someone named Solon who himself reported that he met a priest in Egypt who has translated the history of Atlantis. Where that priest got his knowledge of Atlantis from, no one knows."
"As for Atlantis, even if Atlantis was a magical city, there really are no accounts of Plato actually visiting it, although it may have been a possibility. We just have to remember that anything he wrote about it was told to him by other sources."
A lot of words. Scabior tilted his head."Yes, but how are you not sure that everything you read about was a lie?"
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Originally Posted by Hermione Lily Potter
Was Plato a wizard?...
Nah... Lily didn't think that it really made sense that he would be a wizard, and go out and talk about a hidden wizard city/town. One of the other kids had said it. "I think he was a squib also, only I think that he got mad that he wasn't a wizard so he went out and wrote about Atlantis to get back at his friends who were wizards." That made logical sense. The second year figured that Plato would have been mad to not be a wizard but have lived around them. Who wouldn't if they were constantly surrounded by magical folk but couldn't do magic themselves??
Another squib answer. Good one, though the second thime around it was a less impressive thought.
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Her attention was pulled back to the professor when he mentioned someone having brain damage. Looking to the back of the room where he was pointing she noticed a younger student sitting there looking normal enough to her. "I highly doubt she has brain damage just because she shook Anya. She was probably just trying to snap her out of her frozen state." That was a normal enough reaction for a kid in this situation.
Really? Just like that the professor was going to go back to his lesson? He couldn't even wait five minutes until Cece had been able to take Anya out of the room? "Really Professor, you could at least wait until I'm gone before you continue your class. I'm sure Plato won't mind the delay."
Moving over to Anya she did a quick check to make sure she was still breathing. Yep, same as all the others. Only this one was sitting, with her arms up looking like she was about to applaud or something. Oh and her mouth was wide open. Hopefully nothing flew into her mouth on the way to the infirmary. Pointing her wand at the girl she carefully levitated her out of her seat making sure she didn't tip over. This was going to be interesting getting her up to the third floor in this sitting position.
Slowly making her way towards the door she looked around at everyone. "Don't let me stop your learning here. Please, carry on with your discussion about Plato and his little world." Yes, there was a very sarcastic tone to her voice. Giving one last glare at the professor she made her way out the door towards the infirmary.
And people call her uncaring.
Obviously Lea wasn't brain damaged. It was an exaggeration, which Cecelia would have understood if she was half as smart as Scabior had mistaken her for, but that was fine.
What wasn't fine was the fact that Cecelia was casting judgements on him. In front of the class. "I'm sure he wouldn't either." He responded smoothly. "That's probably because he's dead, its okay though I didn't expect you to know that." Really, clearly she wasn't the intelligent type. "I however, would mind the delay. I am a Professor, and my job is to teach. Just like how your job as a healer is to help put an end to illnesses. So perhaps if you were a bit better at your job and were able to put an ending to the freezing then I wouldn't have any interrupts at all." One brow was raised. Did she have anything else to say?
Plato's little world? So genius. Scabior just rolled his eyes, her unprofessionalism ignored.
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Kennedy was a tad relieved when he was Healer Tillstorm enter. He was beginning to grow anxious of not knowing what was causing students to freeze. He certainly didn't want to be one of them. Maybe it was time to tell his father what was going on here. Wayne could send him a special shield or something.
He focused back on the lesson. Truth be told, Kennedy didn't care much about philosophers and things like lost cities, but this wasn't his class. So, yeah. But he raised his hand to pitch in. "I don't believe Plato was a wizard," he said. "Just because the man was clever it doesn't make him a wizard. Brains can't be compared to magic." For example, a muggle could most definitely be smarter than a wizard. Kennedy felt like almost saying "in my opinion" at the end of his sentence because Scabior still looked displeased. Now, Kennedy wasn't in a good mood. Scabior's mood was contagious.
The corners of Kennedy's almost stretched into a grin. You tell him, Healer Tillstorm! But then she was done and leaving with Anya. He should swing by later and check on Sierra everyone.
"That is completely true." He didn't disagree with the prefect but he did notice the smile he gave to the Healer.
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Was Plato a wizard? Heck if Emmanuelle knew. But she did ponder the question. In fact, she thought about it so hard, she thought her brain might explode. Her conclusion? "I don't think there's anyway to be sure. On one hand, he could've been a wizard because he knew about Atlantis. On the other hand, maybe prior to Atlantis disappearing, wizards just weren't so worried about being found out. This was prior to the witch hunts after all. So, muggles might have been more welcoming of magic back then. Maybe Atlantis was a city of both muggle and wizarding folks and Plato was recording it for posterity. Or writing about it for some sort of celebration..."
She hoped that had made sense.
He was annoyed, but he did feel a bit better because of that answer. It was...just so close. "You are very close"
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Sophie really had no idea about professor Scabior's next question. She had never really though about Plato being a wizard... but that could've been because he knew how to hide the fact very well? Or maybe he was just a muggle anyway. She really didn't know and thought it would be pointless to guess.
She watched the whole Healer Tillstorm scene with her eyebrows raised. That was... weird. She blinked at professor Scabior a couple of times before grabbing her quill to take a few notes on what her classmates were talking. She still couldn't decided whether Plato was a wizard or a muggle.
"Brains can't be compared to magic." Nice one! She gave the Slytherin prefect a small smile before turning her head down to her parchment and writing what he had just said.
Well, yes. He just heard that.
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Jory thought about the question. "I don't think he was a wizard. But he could have been a squib or knew about the wizarding world,'' he said. "He was a great mathematician, philosopher and alchemist, I'm not sure any wizarding folk was into Maths.''
''Or were they?'' he wondered
Another squib guess, Scabior nodded.
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Laura looked at the Professor. "I don't care what the nurse say Professor, I think Plato is of great importance to us." Laura smiled at the Professor the nurse had no right to tell the Professor off for continuing the lesson after all this was a classroom and the silly healer should know that.
Laura smiled at the Professor and then decided to answer the Question. "Professor that's a hard question to answer because if Pluto was a wizard why didn't he know more and if he wasn't they he was a very clever muggle." Laura couldn't decided. "So on this partical question I am sat on the fence."
And the student seemed to be defending him. Scabior gave a small shrug. "To each his- or her own." If they did not think Plato was important, good for them. They would still have to learn about him.
"Don't ever say that again." His voice was not demanding in the least, just dull. "There are many stupid people that are Witches or Wizards, just like how there are many genius Muggles.
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Oichi was reallystarting to think quite a few of her professors were off there rocker. In a couple of classes studrnts froze and the class went on a bitlonger. Something seemed very off kilter about all this. Though if it is happening in many classes then whatever it is is spreding or traveling throughout the school which means. Eeeeek, I hope it never effects me but for now, class. How can I concentrate during a time like this. I have to try. Oichi raised her hand and responded, "Plato could have been a wizard, he may have been muggleborn and his powers were discovered and over time he discovered people like himself and found out about at Atlantis but chose to stay on the muggle world because that is what he was used to."
A theory behind his past as well!"That's actually really thought out." Well done.
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Sarassi frowned another student frozen, her sister had froze and now her sister was frozen. She hadnt unfrozen and now Sarassi was very very nervous. If her sister didnt unfreeze then-no she didnt want to think about that. She returned her attention back to the Professor. Of course she had knew that Atlantis was real. Who didnt? I think that Plato was a squib or he could have been a wizard. As people said he didnt know very much about it maybe he made sure not to reveal to much information out as the whole muggles cant know about magic thing.
="If that was the case, why would he want to reveal anything at all?" Just something to think about.
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Milton did not enjoy being called an idiot. Just a heads up. He could deal with losing ten points, but he did not appreciate the name-calling. I'm not the one being an idiot," he mumbled quietly under his breath as Scabior kept talking.
He sat in his chair with his arms folded over his chest, glaring at everything in general as the class continued. Finally, the healer showed up and he watched little, frozen Anya as she was levitated out of her seat. Strangely enough, Milton almost seemed to have been genuinely worried about her... But if one asked, he would deny any such feelings of attachment.
Once that was over, Milton returned his attention back to the class. He saw one of girls who spoke up earlier, Penelope, who also seemed rather displeased still. Milton continued to sit in his chair, refusing to participate or take notes.
Of course he couldn't hear what the almost pouting Ravenclaw was saying but his lips had moved right? Hadn't anyone taught him that insults worked best when said out loud?
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Plato? He was a greek guy, right? Alex couldn't keep his muggle philosophers straight. Was he the one who had been killed? No, that was Socrates. Right? GAH this was all making his head spin. He raised his hand anyways, because he had at least a couple ideas about this Plato guy.
"Well, I think it's possible he could have been a wizard or a squib, because he was a follower of that Socrates guy, right? Socrates was like the head honcho and he taught them all everything he knew...what if he was like, the first wizarding professor??" he added. "But at the same time, maybe Plato wasn't magical at all and Socrates was, he just chose to keep it a secret and that was how Plato came about the knowledge of Atlantis," he explained. Ya never know.
There were so many guesses going on in the Hufflepuff's answers that Scabior just stared. "I guess you could be correct in some areas." While others? Well, talking about Socrates just complicated matters.
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By the looks on some of their faces they were confused, and obviously it was his job to fix this. Sadly. Pushing his thoughts about the lovely Healer away. "Some of you look utterly confused so to recap-" Scabior turned around and pointed to the map. "That is a map of the world." That much was obvious. "A long long long time ago around 425BC some of these countries would have been renamed and all of that, but more important to our lesson, the city of Atlantis would have been located somewhere on the map."
"The only really accessible written information about the city of Atlantis is from Greek philosopher named Plato." He paused. "Plato wrote nothing about this city being Muggle of Magically, yet he wrote that it apparently sank under the water after a day and night."
As he spoke his words had started to write out across the board with chalk."Many people have written the city off as just a rumour and all that, but as I said before Plato was a philosopher and a respected one at that, there would be simply no reason for him to lie about the city unless he was protecting something." He took a deep breath. "The man theories are that either, Pluto was a Wizard and decided to hide the whereabouts of the wizarding city of Atlantis by saying it sank. Or he was a Muggle who accidentally stumbled upon the wizarding city Atlantis one day and could not find it again so claimed or believed that it sank. Or-there is the truth-" He paused. "-Which we will be getting to next class." Because believe it or NOT class was over. Yes, with all of that complaining about not waiting for the Healer, class was already finished.
"Class is dismissed." He flicked his wand, putting the homework on the board.
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Alyssa was surprised that the Professor ended the class so suddenly. She was actually starting to get intrigued about the mystery of Atlantis. 'Guess I'm going to have to read more about Plato and Atlantis.' Alyssa thought to herself. She quickly picked up her quill and copied down the homework assignment that the Professor had written on the board and then packed up her things into her backpack, walked up to the Professor and said goodbye to him.
"Thank you for another interesting lesson, Professor. I'm definitely looking forward to a continuation of this discussion in our next lesson.Alyssa told him before she walked out of the classroom.