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You step through the door of the Charms classroom to find...
A winter wonderland.
Everything is ice-and-snow. There are ice ridges and little snow-capped hills and, in the centre, a large ice rink. The desks are arranged on this ice-rink in neat rows, with the Professor's desk set at the front. Given that the ice-rink is charmed for now, it shouldn't be hard to get to your desk. The moment you sit down, you notice that the weather isn't downright cold: it's cool and pleasant, but not bitter.
Professor Descoteaux is leaning against his desk, his posture graceful and just a little lazy.
Olivia listened to all of the answers while scribbling in her notebook. She rested her hand on her head, bored. All of the answers were mainly becoming the same, and she really wished the professor would move on to the next question. After filling up her entire margin, Olivia's quill stopped moving as she stared out the window.
"Keeping that in mind, do you think there are some spells studied as charms, that could be called transfigurational spells? Or where the boundaries between Charms and Transfiguration blur?"
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Dulcibella thought for a moment. "What about turning something into wood as that is changing its appearance and its looks." Wait, thats the same thing. "I mean, its appearance and function???"
Presley leaned forward and rested her head for a second on the table. Still listening to everyone answering around her, Presley started to get tired. She jerked upright. She COULD NOT sleep during class! That was absolutely unacceptable. But her eyes were so tired. Maybe if she sat up straight, and just rested them for a while...Presley head smacked the desk, hard and she was fully awake. She hadn't even realized that her head was drooping until it hit the desk. She massaged her forehead, there was going to be a bruise. Lucky her.
Presley leaned forward and rested her head for a second on the table. Still listening to everyone answering around her, Presley started to get tired. She jerked upright. She COULD NOT sleep during class! That was absolutely unacceptable. But her eyes were so tired. Maybe if she sat up straight, and just rested them for a while...Presley head smacked the desk, hard and she was fully awake. She hadn't even realized that her head was drooping until it hit the desk. She massaged her forehead, there was going to be a bruise. Lucky her.
" William mouthed to Presley "Are you ok?" " Please, I still want to be freinds" Willaim mouthed to Presley.
OOC: Hihi, guys. I've had some far-from-pleasant stuff going on in Real Life that I needed/ need to deal with. I'm still... trying to deal with it. So I'm going to try to wrap up this lesson in the next few days. Thank you for being so patient and fantastic and active. You have no idea what that means to me.
On a side-note.. even if I haven't mentioned Jared giving you/ your character points, you all get points for your awesome answers.
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Originally Posted by sevensnared
Sounding quite serious, Aiden coolly answers the professor."In my opinion, yes, it could since there are charms that could change the form and appearance of an object such as the Engorgement Charm."
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Originally Posted by SlytherinPrincess
Isabella raised Her Hand Once More and Said , " Professor I Think That There Are Charms That Could be called Transfigurational Spells Since They Change The Appearance of things .
For Example One Transfiguration Charm is Reducio .
It Returns An Item To It's Regular Size Since The Engorgment Charm Makes the item Bigger the Reducio Charm Makes It Smaller . " She Finished .
"Changing the size does not change the nature of an object," Jared corrected. "Remember that physical appearance and nature aren't synonymous." Still. "Take a point each."
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Originally Posted by AuroraQuinn
Aurora nodded. "I guess so, like Aiden said, the Engorgement charm is one, or Densagio, the one that makes your teeth bigger, though I suppose that's a hex rather than a charm." she added, beginning to doubt herself a little. "What's the difference between a hex and a charm?" she asked.
"You've brought up a good point," Jared said, smile faint but there. "Densaugio is a hex but, since a hex is any spell developed with the intention of causing a minor degree of pain or discomfort, it's important to note that all hexes are charms or transfigurational spells."
"Take two points for your house."
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Originally Posted by fire_faerie
Hmm. "Professor, I think the main difference between Charms and Transfiguration is that Transfiguration morphs the actual object into something else whereas Charms just alters its properties... So no," Ryden said, then tried to think of an example she could give. "I suppose, if you take the Permanent Sticking Charm... The charm gave it a quality that enabled it to stick BUT if you transfigure a part of it into superglue or something, then you've actually changed the object. Changing an object's size doesn't change its actual properties, it just makes them all larger... And so on and so forth."
Interesting. "That's a well thought out answer, Ryden. The Permanent Sticking Charm doesn't transfigure part of the target, however, so it's what we might call a legitimate charm."
"Take two points for your house."
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Originally Posted by cheeseStrings
"Professor, I think there is. Like the Colour Changing Charm. It changes the object's physical properties.
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Originally Posted by sweetpinkpixie
Kurumi thought for a moment before raising her hand. "I think that the two subjects overlap on another. There are many spells that do involve transfiguring an object into something that it wasn't originally. While the actually state of the object is the same, there is a certain quality to it that has changed. The Colour Change Charm changes the objects color, so one could argue that you have transfigured it into something that it wasn't. I don't imagine there are many purple tomatoes around as an example." She paused for a moment to scratch the back of her head and think a bit more. "We have all mentioned that Charms cause an object to do something unexpected, but I wouldn't really consider the effects of the Scouring Charm to be in that category since it simply cleans the object. If you want to get technical, you could also say that this spell changed a dirty object into a clean one and therefore transfigured it."
Kurumi held the side of her head. She was probably over thinking things, which wasn't the best of ideas considering she was still in recovery mode from her concussion.
"I also think that the Mending Charm is in the gray area between Charms and Transfiguration. In mending something, you actually are changing the state of the object."
She put her hand down. No more thinking for a little. Her head was beginning to hurt.
Forever the thinker, Kurumi. Jared had to smile, one of those rare actual smiles of his, as she began her answer and... well, continued. For a good few minutes.
"It's important to understand that there is a difference - and a clear-cut one, most of the time - between altering appearance, and altering nature. In simple words, purple tomatoes might not be common but, in the end, purple tomatoes are tomatoes, not apples. That means the Colour-Changing Charm doesn't change the basic nature of its target." He nodded to the other student who had suggested the Colour-Changing Charm, too.
"While it is common to state the charms cause objects to do unexpected things, the actual definition does not mention that. That said, remember that all vanishing spells are transfiguration, even if they have the suffix 'charm' attached to them. We'll come back to that, in a moment."
Mending charm? "Its state, but not its nature," Jared agreed. "However, theoretically speaking, it could be considered a gray area." They'd come back to that, too. "Take five points, Kurumi."
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Originally Posted by Anna Banana
"What about transfiguring, or charming," ...or whatever... "objects into stone?" she asked, her hand in the air. "It's a charm, because you're obviously changing how it looks and what it's capable of," she continued, "but you're also transfiguring the object into something else entirely when it turns to stone..."
She sort of trailed off on the last word. She was starting to confuse herself.
Jared grinned. "That would depend upon the spell you're using. If it's giving the target the same set of vital functions as a stone, then it's Transfiguration. If it's just giving your target the appearance of a stone - it looks like a stone, but it doesn't 'function' like one - then it's a charm."
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Originally Posted by TwistedHearts
Raising her hand, Zara began to recite, "I think so, Professor. Because isn't there something called a Protean Charm? But it's classified as under Transfiguration. It's known to be able to link several objects together, but with the need of a common purpose. Erm, it was said to qualify under Transfiguration.." Whoah, she wasn't sure with her answer. Just basing what she had read through a book.
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Originally Posted by Emishlon
"I think they are very similar subjects, but I don't think spells should be considered as both." Just give 'em one category! MAke them less confusing. Funnily enough, when he was eleven-ish, Jamie didn't see any difference in the two at all anyway. Growing older now, he had learnt a thing or two, yup. Using the Professor's example, giving an object wings still doesn't change the object into something completely new, only modifies it. So, it does make them quite different, in his opinion. "So, I suppose you could use both types on the same object, but they would produce totally different things."
"Although, I do know of the.... Protein Charm.." Merlin knows what it did, though. "Isn't it somethin' to do with health, sir? Anyway... that is classed under transfiguration, despite being a charm." Maybe it transfigured your insides to have lots of protein in it. Eh, that sounded extremely unlikely, but what else could a PROTEIN charm do?
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Originally Posted by Snape'sGirlThru&Thru
Vashti took a few moments to consider the question before raising her hand. "I think their boundaries do sort of blur or overlap with some spells, or at least they appear to," she began. "For example, the Patronus Charm. It's called a Charm, but when you use it, you conjure up a sort of white energy or magic that usually takes the form of an animal when fully formed. Conjuration is a branch of Transfiguration, so it could be argued that conjuring a Patronus is more of a Transfiguration spell than a charm."
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Originally Posted by Jason Potter Weasley
William raised his hand. " One of the spells that could cross over between Charms and Transfiguration spells is called Protean Charm" Willaim told the professor. " The reason because it changes the apperance of the item" Willian said to the professor.
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Originally Posted by HaRoHeGiNeLu
"Wouldn't any kind of shield charm be...I guess a cross between defence, charms, and transfiguration? Because you're producing something out of nothingness, that's transfiguration. But the shield part is defence. And their called charms. Some of them." That took too much thought. "And that one...that it's a charm...but it changes how something looks..." Ellie didn't and wouldn't know the name of it.
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Originally Posted by rnbwxsprinkles
"I think there are some spells that are considered charms even though they conjure. Like Orchideus for flowers and Augmenti for water. Although I could be wrong about them being charms."
"Before the formation of a proper system of classification, spells were just that." Spells. There hadn't been rigid regulations and definitions in existence, then. "Spells such as aguamenti and aqua eructo were called 'conjuration charms.' Later, as different branches of magic developed and fixed laws were formulated, charms and transfigurational spells were separated, and those two officially came under the heading of the latter. They're an accepted part of Transfigurational magic now, but are still, at times, referred to - and even taught - as 'Conjuration Charms.'"
"The same, more or less, goes for the Protean and Shield Charms. Both are accepted as Transfigurational spells, but the use of 'Charm' as a suffix comes from familiarity and common usage. If you choose to study Charms on a higher level, you'll see that advanced defensive magic often consists of more than one part - transfiguration and charms - but the important thing is, both parts are distinct." The charms and transfigurational parts were separate. "If you don't understand all of this right away, don't worry. We'll come back to it in a bit."
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Originally Posted by Starbreeze
“For example, the Hover Charm might make the target lighter, or maybe immune to gravity, or maybe it summons a little invisible dragon that comes and picks the object up, but the object remains the same.” Eino could come up with a million reasons as to how the Hover Charm might work but the point is it didn’t change the object. “I don’t think some charms could be called transfiguration spells, though.” Just because an Eino might look like a Hugo does not mean a Hugo could be called an Eino. The blur between the two only existed to those who didn’t know any better. “Just because some of us,” Yes, Eino was speaking of himself mostly, “misidentify a charm as a transfiguration doesn’t mean it is so, or could be. Spells are categorized according to their nature, not appearance.” Spoken like a true below average Ravenclaw.
"That's an excellent point, Eino." Jared had hoped one of the students would bring it up. "We'll come back to it, in a moment. Take four points for your house."
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Originally Posted by nogoodforyou
"How about the freezing charm?" Helena suggested, with her hand raised. "It kind of changes the nature of water for example, if we freeze it." Or... not? Well... the water is liquid and blah blah, and after it is frozen, it's... frozen. Not liquid anymore.
Jared had to grin. "The standard Freezing Charm renders the target immobile," he reminded. That had been the topic of one of the classes, last year. "But yes, a charm that changes the physical state of the target can be considered a gray area." Theoretically speaking, of course. "Take two points."
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Originally Posted by Trish
Uhm the blur between Charms and Transfiguration thought Penny, chewing the end of her quill...
"Professor, I think there is a clear difference...I mean A Charm might cause something to flash different colours. It might cause an object to float in the air or even fly. Charms can make a person happy and giggly or dance. In all cases, the object or the person doesn't really change, they just do something unexpected.
eg...The Hover Charm (Wingardium Leviosa)... or The Silencing Charm (Silencio) or Cheering Charm
Penny stopped to breath....
"But Transfiguration is the art of changing the form and appearance of an object and the vanishing of objects. it's governed by Gamp's Law of Elemental Transfiguration which acknowledges the limits to the power of this branch of magic.
Transfiguring can be done to most, if not all objects.
eg...Draconifors — Is used to turn a dragon statue into a real dragon that will breathe fire".
Penny hoped she had explained herself properly - it made sense to her !
"You're on the right track," Jared nodded. "Transfiguration isn't the art of changing form and appearance, but you're right that there is a difference." Once again, they'd come back to that later. "Take two points for your house."
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Originally Posted by MyPatronusIsaMoose
Professor Sir, Oakey called him still unsure on how to pronounce his name. I'm a little unsure on this but in Transfiguration class Shaw had us create spells for him to test and change the objects form, and well he demenstrated our's on his cloak. It was supposed to transform into a dog but all it did was make the cloak act like a dog. He was still dissapointed in this event, but it seemed that this was what Disco Toe was talking about with the differences in Charms and Transfigurations. Is it possible that the spell my group made in that class was a charm because The cloak changed it's nature and not its form.
Jared had to grin. "I do believe it's the other way around," he said. "If the spell changed the cloak's form, but not it's nature, that makes it a charm. Of course, it's not always possible to categorize a spell without seeing it cast - each spell has a unique mechanism and, until one has studied the mechanism, calling it a charm or a transfigurational spell is a shot in the dark."
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Originally Posted by Harry174
"Professor I think that they wil be blured because you transform something in Transfiguration but a charm is where you decided that you want to charm an object or someone, you try and make them fall in love with you or something like that." Simon smiled.
"Transformations are a part of Charms, too," Jared pointed out.
And?
"And we're talking about Charms with a capital C, Simon." The subject, kid, the subject.
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Originally Posted by MagicGlitter
Ariella raised her hands again. "I can't think of any spells used as charms off the top of my head that could be used as transfigurational spells, no. Because transfiguration is the actual changing of one object to another, while charms is just changing various properties....or parts of an object." Come to think of it, she did have a question. "Could a charm be thought of as a hex as well? A hex is typically used to inflict discomfort or pain, but charms could do that, too, right?" That was a little off topic, but she couldn't help herself when she had a good question.
"In general, no." Jared shook his head. "Remember that all hexes are spells. That means they're always charms or transfigurational spells. The difference between a charm and a hex, though, is the purpose they are created to serve. Charms are invented for an actual, reasonable purpose; hexes, to cause discomfort. Think of it this way: you can use a teacup to hit someone on the head, but that doesn't make a teacup a weapon. So while a charm can be used to inflict pain, that doesn't make it a hex."
"Good question. Take two points for your house."
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Originally Posted by Zoom
Macy blinked. She opened her mouth to speak, and then closed it. She did it again. Open. Close. Merlin, she must look like a fish! Anywhoo... Whaaaat was the professor talking about? Spells and... charms... and just, throw transfiguration in there to throw her off some more, why don't you. EURGH. "I. Erm. Yes." was her answer. Honestly, the girl had absolutely no idea what he was talking about.
Jared grinned. "Don't worry. It can be confusing, at first."
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Originally Posted by Ivy Nienna
"I think perhaps the line blurs on spells like the Canary Transfiguration Hex which turns the target into a giant canary thus giving it properties, in this case a beak and feathers to say the least, that the target did not have before, instead of completely transfiguring him or her into an actual small canary."
"That would be a hex that falls under the heading of transfiguration," Jared said. "The Canary Transfiguration Hex is meant to transfigure all, not part, of a person. Complete human transfiguration is difficult to perform at the best of times, however, and that means it isn't often that people can use it to its full..." Potential? "Potential," he said, with a bit of a wry smile. The confusion there had more to do with the hex not being successful often, than it blurring lines. "Good example, though. Take two points for Ravenclaw."
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Originally Posted by Quick Quotes Quill
‘How about the Vanishing Spell?’, the girl asked. Thinking about it, it wasn’t transfiguration, but not relley charms either. Or, maybe…was it transfiguration if the object disappears? ‘Or…eh…maybe Alohomora?’, the girl tryied again hoping at least this was right. ‘It makes doors open, so it doeas change something at them, right?’
"Vanishing and conjuration are solid transfiguration," Jared said, giving Gwen a faint smile. "The Unlocking Charm isn't considered transfiguration, because it doesn't change the nature of a lock - it affects how it works, on a superficial level. That's the reason alohomora doesn't work on certain kinds of locks: if untransfiguration is involved, the charm fails."
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Originally Posted by Presley Black
Presley leaned forward and rested her head for a second on the table. Still listening to everyone answering around her, Presley started to get tired. She jerked upright. She COULD NOT sleep during class! That was absolutely unacceptable. But her eyes were so tired. Maybe if she sat up straight, and just rested them for a while...Presley head smacked the desk, hard and she was fully awake. She hadn't even realized that her head was drooping until it hit the desk. She massaged her forehead, there was going to be a bruise. Lucky her.
Was he supposed to tell her off for sleeping in class?
...
"Alright there?" Jared asked. She didn't need medical attention, did she?
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Originally Posted by Jason Potter Weasley
" Please, I still want to be freinds" Willaim mouthed to Presley.
Riiight.
"I'm sure you do, William. This, unfortunately, is not the time." Focus, kid, focus.
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Originally Posted by Herminny
"Now where the line really draws thin is with incendio because putting something on fire changes w=it's chemical makeup as it burns into the object into a new substance and in transfiguration you are changing an object into a whole new substance and back again. The damage of fire can't be reversed however there are some charms that can. I guess the only true difference is that charms can never never make a living thing into a whole new subatance.", Chloe responded rambling out an answer she hoped made some sense.
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Originally Posted by Quick Quotes Quill
‘But there is a spell… Episkey?’, Gwen asked, thinking it would be best if she would shut up already. ‘It is used to heal relatively minor injuries…so it does change something, but not the person entirely.’
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Originally Posted by cheeseStrings
"Well, both charming spells and transfiguration spells are used to change the object being charmed or transfigured int something, err, different. But, in Transfiguration you change the object's physical properties or even into something that is totally different, like changing a rock, which has no life in it, into a terrier, which is a living thing. In Charms, you change the behaviour of the object. For example, charming a pen-- I mean, a quill to fly using the Wingardium Leviosa spell. The quill still looks like a normal quill, but a not-charmed quill can't fly, right?"
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Originally Posted by Samia
3 points. Orlando was proud of himself, yep yep. Even though he may not be able to gain anymore points in this class. Because then came the hard question. The sixteen year old contemplated for a moment before answering. "Ahh .. Professor I am not really sure if Transfiguration and Charms have boundaries that blur at some point. Because with charm you are just making an object do things while in Transfiguration you end up changing the appearance of the object as well"
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Originally Posted by steflegan
"Um... I think that a charm changes the behavior of an object or person, while a transfiguration changes that object or person completely into something else. I think."
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Originally Posted by GrapehGrape
Fallon listened as people threw out some suggestions. She figured she might as well participate in class. Her class participation was really lacking this year and she needed to make up for it. Charms class seemed to be the perfect way to do so. Fallon raised her hand and said, "There are a few Charms out there that can effect the way a person looks, which is a form of Transfiguration." A couple people had said something along those lines, but Fallon really didn't care.
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Originally Posted by Samira Malfoy Potter
Ooh three points for answering a question? Yay! Samira should answer questions more often. She eagerly raised her hand for the next one. "Professor, I think where the boundaries between Transfiguaration and Charms blur is...for example....in charms, if you change the color of an object. That's not really Transfiguration, because you're not transforming the actual object. Charms like the glamour charm do change the way a person looks, but it is not transfiguring the actual person." She paused a little. "So no, I think Charms and Transfiguration are two separate categories."
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Originally Posted by Anna Banana
"What about transfiguring, or charming," ...or whatever... "objects into stone?" she asked, her hand in the air. "It's a charm, because you're obviously changing how it looks and what it's capable of," she continued, "but you're also transfiguring the object into something else entirely when it turns to stone..."
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Originally Posted by dragon_star
"Not any that I can think of on the top of my head..." Savannah said, "What about that dissilusional charm that you taught us last year? I guess it could be in the boundary, it is kind of changing an object..." Savvy hesitated. No, that couldn't be it, its only blending the object to its surroundings.
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Originally Posted by ArianaBlack
Nika listened to his explanation of what a charm was and decided it would be a good time to take out some parchment and her quill. Notes are never fun, but might as well take a few so she doesn't turn green during the final this term too. She listened to the question and then some response from other students as she thought about her own answer. Well if the two subjects didn't blur then they wouldn't be talking about it now would they? "I guess maybe the two can be really similar." Maybe that's why Nika was awful at both subjects. "There are some charms that change an objects appearance right?" She asked slowly. Hmmm.... This is starting to get confusing.
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Originally Posted by fire_faerie
Hmm. "Professor, I think the main difference between Charms and Transfiguration is that Transfiguration morphs the actual object into something else whereas Charms just alters its properties... So no," Ryden said, then tried to think of an example she could give. "I suppose, if you take the Permanent Sticking Charm... The charm gave it a quality that enabled it to stick BUT if you transfigure a part of it into superglue or something, then you've actually changed the object. Changing an object's size doesn't change its actual properties, it just makes them all larger... And so on and so forth."
Come to think of it, this was a fascinating question if one thought about it deeply enough. Seriously.
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Originally Posted by GrapehGrape
Fallon listened as people threw out some suggestions. She figured she might as well participate in class. Her class participation was really lacking this year and she needed to make up for it. Charms class seemed to be the perfect way to do so. Fallon raised her hand and said, "There are a few Charms out there that can effect the way a person looks, which is a form of Transfiguration." A couple people had said something along those lines, but Fallon really didn't care.
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Originally Posted by Samira Malfoy Potter
Ooh three points for answering a question? Yay! Samira should answer questions more often. She eagerly raised her hand for the next one. "Professor, I think where the boundaries between Transfiguaration and Charms blur is...for example....in charms, if you change the color of an object. That's not really Transfiguration, because you're not transforming the actual object. Charms like the glamour charm do change the way a person looks, but it is not transfiguring the actual person." She paused a little. "So no, I think Charms and Transfiguration are two separate categories."
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Originally Posted by Deniiz
Three points for each?! Mweh, if Evan had known, he would have answered it too, despite like a hundred answers that all said the same. Oh well. Onto the next question, then. Raising his hand, he said "I guess colour-changing charms and the animation charms are also transfiguration. I mean, they change, right?" Right. It was called transfugration when changing inanimate objects into animate ones; and then there were such charms like 'accio' to move the objects... "I guess, the boundary is unclear when they both change something... especially physical traits." Charms or transfiguration, he didn't really care what it was as long as he could do it.
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Originally Posted by Berttie-bott
Thank God Janet's previous answer was good enough. The next question's pretty tough, she thought. But she gave it a try. She raised her hand and answered, "Well, I think They are quite similar, but they are still diffrent. In Charms, they don't totaly change, only a small part of it. Like what you said, Professor, Giving it wings. For example, If we give a shoe wings, it will still be a shoe, but with wings. But in transfiguration, They change into things that don't even have connection between them. Like a rock into a dog, It doesn't have any connection at all. So, I guess spells studied as charms, couldn't be called transfigurational spells". Please be right, Please be right,Please be right !!, She hoped.
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Originally Posted by Kimalia
Having finished writing her thoughts down, Kimalia felt she might have a unique way to describe it. "Well, with Transfiguration you're altering more than just the physical appearance but the internal structure as well, such as turning a cat into a mouse." Kimalia continued, "Charms have more to deal with enchantments, the spell Engorgio does alter the physical appearance making the object larger, but the similarity ends there once you realize it's still the same object, just larger."
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Originally Posted by insignia57
Brielle stopped for a moment, a bit confused. She listened to the otehr students words and nodded her head in agreement. She somehow seemed confused if she was still supposed to answer, with all the talking going around. Clearing her throat, she spoke just loud enough to be heard, "I think so, professor. For there are spells in Charms that do change the physical appearance of the object, and wouldn't that be as close to Transfiguration as it can get? Like the engorgio and the such, "
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Originally Posted by Presley Black
Presley raised her hand. "Charms wear off, Professor. When you transfigure something, it stay transfigured until you untransfigure it. Right?" She wasn't absolutely sure on this point, but from her experience, that had been a fundamental difference.
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Originally Posted by Annabeth
Rachel put her hand up, "Well don't charms sort of go? If you transfigure something, it stays in the same from until it is turned back, I think." Rachel said, she wasnt sure at all, but felt she needed to say something.
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Originally Posted by DanialRadFAN01
Taking notes of what he man said, Riley thought hard for a moment about the question that was asked next. After some thinking, the seventh year raised his hand. "Professor, an example of what you are saying would be the charm that changes water into rum or tea, or any other liquid really. Although the change may not be perminent it still transfigures the physical state of the water into another liquid." Lowering his hand Riley was abit amazed by the words that came out of his mouth. Now to hope that they were all forming a right answer.
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Originally Posted by sarahb
Isabelle raises her hand. "Professor, to charm something is to make a change to something though not normally permenent. When you transfigure something it normally has a permenent effect. For the most part charms are non-permenent transfigurations." Ugh that did not sound right.
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Originally Posted by ortalismusicoh
Ness had so far been pretty quite, but she thought she knew the answer to the next question so she put up her hand then when it was ger turn said. "Um.. Proffessor I think the difference is that in transfiguration makes the whole object something different including the way it moves, thinks, speaks and so on, where as with charms it only changes one thing of the object!" said Ness hoping that whatever she had just said was right, cause what she said seemed to confuse her just a bit.
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Originally Posted by hpfan18
"Professor isn't a charm a spell used to make something happen quickly and efficently? And when you transfigure something you are changing the subject completly?" Annabelle asked as she raised her hand.
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Originally Posted by Pokah Face
"Well, Professor," he said, "Another example could be the Bat-Bogey Hex, couldn't it? Enlarging your opponent's bogeys would definitely entail the use of a charm. But the fact that the bogeys grow wings and attack your opponent, well that would grant them physical attributes they did not possess before. Thus, it would have similarities to Transfiguration...although the bogeys remain bogeys...." his voice dwindled slightly as he came to the realization at the end. He lowered his hand, hoping his answer was at least somewhat correct.
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'There are charms that change certain aspects in the appearance of objects, such as size, shape or colour, so those could be borderline with Transfiguration, but not really Transfiguration, since objects are just altered and not completely transformed.' the first year Gryffindor replied after putting her hand up. Having done that, however, the girl realized that her answer was pretty much the same as her colleagues's. Oh well.
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Molly scribbled down the last of the notes she'd made upon her Professor's words. She tapped her quill a bit against her chin, her eyes looking up to the cieling - which she found was full of beautifully glistening icicles - while thinking hard on an answer to her teacher's question. She then raised her hand a bit slowly and insecure. "I think that charms can only transform part of the object, like for example it's appearence or a special part of it's looks, and not the object completely because that's what Transfiguration does."
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Dulcibella thought for a moment. "What about turning something into wood as that is changing its appearance and its looks." Wait, thats the same thing. "I mean, its appearance and function???"
It was a good thing he had asked this question, because it seemed a good number of the students didn't have a clear idea what the differences between Charms and Transfiguration, were.
"Right," Jared said. "It seems most of you have the same basic concepts and confusions, so let's discuss a few things before we move on. There are spells that may look as if they blur the lines between Charms and Transfiguration but, the fact is, they do not. Charms and transfigurational spells are both spells. The difference? Charms change an object on a superficial level, while Transfiguration changes its vital functions. Think of it this way: a charm turns a red apple into a green apple, but a transfigurational spells turns it into an orange." The green apple would still be an apple, but the orange would be foreign territory. "Remember that neither is permanent: how long a charm or a transfigurational spell lasts, depends on the caster's intentions, concentration and abilities. "
"All conjuration and vanishing spells are a part of Transfiguration. That means spells like Incendio, Aguamenti and Evanesco are all Transfiguration. Much of students' confusion stems from the fact that before the formation of a proper system of classification, spells were just... spells." There hadn't been rigid regulations and definitions in existence, then. "The terms charm, spell and transfiguration were often used inter-changeably. Later, as different branches of magic developed and fixed laws were formulated, charms and transfigurational spells were separated. The old names still remained popular, however, so transfigurational spells like the Protean Charm and the Shield Charm still have 'charm' as a suffix." The 'but they aren't charms' argument was a bit like the 'but sandwiches don't contain sand!' argument, all things considered.
"The most important thing to remember, however, is that you can never categorize a spell just by knowing what it does." That was the one thing that none of the students seemed to know. "Each spell has a mechanism and, unless you know about this mechanism, you can't always say if a spell is a charm or not, because you don't know how it's bringing about the change it's bringing about. In more simple words, a spell that turns an apple into an orange might not be transfiguration because it might be making the apple look like an orange. It could be just the appearance that changes and, underneath that appearance, the apple would still be an apple. It could also be an advanced spell, with more than one part, which means it could be executing a series of spells - such as a charm and a transfigurational spell. Confusing, right?" Of course. "Rule of thumb at this stage, is that conjuration and vanishing? Always transfiguration. Something else? Likely to be charms."
He gave the class a few minutes to digest and jot down the information, before moving on. "Today, we're going to learn -" Or revise, as the case might be - "The Glisseo Charm. Does anyone know what this charm does, or a possible scenario it could be used in?"
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She pays an almost undistractable attention to the lesson. It does not take Aiden a long time to guess the correct answer. "It causes hard and rough surfaces to become smooth and slippery. Temporarily, of course."
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This...was a lot to take in. She paid attention a little bit to the discussion that everyone was having but after awhile, she got bored. Until of course, Professor FrenchFry started speaking up again and then...well that was interesting.
Still having her thoughts run over what the Professor said, Evelyn waited a moment before raising her hand. The Glisseo spell? She knew of that one rather well. Aw the memories. "It turns the object or target, usually one without a smooth or slippery surface, into something smooth and slippery. Kinda like if you wanted to make mattress surfing in the corridors a bit easier...you could use the spell on the floor." Just, for everyone's information.
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He gave the class a few minutes to digest and jot down the information, before moving on. "Today, we're going to learn -" Or revise, as the case might be - "The Glisseo Charm. Does anyone know what this charm does, or a possible scenario it could be used in?"
Helena couldn't help but blink.
Blink, blink.
... and blink some more.
Because... that was a LOT of information. But yes, she understood what professor Descoteaux tried to explain. Aaaand the Glisseo Charm. "It is the charm that makes rough or rigid surfaces become temporarily... slippery," the girl said with her hand raised, sliiiightly giggling. Wasn't that charm used on the stairs that led to the girl's dormitories? Hehe.
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Kurumi was taking a few moments to take in all the information being given and felt her head momentarily swimming. It was a lot to take in at once, so much that she almost missed the professor giving her points for her answer. That certainly turned her confused frown into a slight smile.
Oh, right, he had asked another question. "Glisseo is a charm that turns a surface to one that is smooth and slippery. I believe that this spell was used during the Battle of Hogwarts to turn one of the staircases into a slide and avoid attacking Death Eaters." She looked around the room and at all the ice. "And....I suppose this spell could also help one ice skate without the use of skates..."
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Eino was very much confused by the end of the professor's lecture, but shrugged his doubts off and continued to take down notes. He thought charms and transfiguration were a lot simpler before all that, but not he was completely confused. Regardless, he wrote everything down even though he didn't know what most of it meant.
At the next question Eino raised his hand. "It charms rough and rigid surfaces smooth and slippery for a while... I suppose it could be useful in Herbology, so you can charm plants with needles, like cacti, making it easier to work with them."
‘It converts the target object into a smooth slide’, the girl answered, making a short break after having said that. ‘Glisseo is a charm that makes rough or rigid surfaces to become temporarily smooth and slippery’, Gwen said, hoping that this sounded better than her first remark.
‘I think Hermione Granger used it to turn a staircase into a slide during the Battle of Hogwarts so that she, Harry Potter and Ron Weasley could avoid attacking Death Eaters.’There…and that’s all I know.
She pays an almost undistractable attention to the lesson. It does not take Aiden a long time to guess the correct answer. "It causes hard and rough surfaces to become smooth and slippery. Temporarily, of course."
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"It is the charm that makes rough or rigid surfaces become temporarily... slippery," the girl said with her hand raised, sliiiightly giggling. Wasn't that charm used on the stairs that led to the girl's dormitories? Hehe.
Precise and to-the-point.
"Right you are, Aiden, Helena. Take a point each."
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"It turns the object or target, usually one without a smooth or slippery surface, into something smooth and slippery. Kinda like if you wanted to make mattress surfing in the corridors a bit easier...you could use the spell on the floor." Just, for everyone's information.
She sounded as if she'd tried that out. Jared smiled. "Good example, Evelyn. Take two points for Slytherin."
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Oh, right, he had asked another question. "Glisseo is a charm that turns a surface to one that is smooth and slippery. I believe that this spell was used during the Battle of Hogwarts to turn one of the staircases into a slide and avoid attacking Death Eaters." She looked around the room and at all the ice. "And....I suppose this spell could also help one ice skate without the use of skates..."
"That's two points for Gryffindor."
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‘It converts the target object into a smooth slide’, the girl answered, making a short break after having said that. ‘Glisseo is a charm that makes rough or rigid surfaces to become temporarily smooth and slippery’, Gwen said, hoping that this sounded better than her first remark.
‘I think Hermione Granger used it to turn a staircase into a slide during the Battle of Hogwarts so that she, Harry Potter and Ron Weasley could avoid attacking Death Eaters.’There…and that’s all I know.
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At the next question Eino raised his hand. "It charms rough and rigid surfaces smooth and slippery for a while... I suppose it could be useful in Herbology, so you can charm plants with needles, like cacti, making it easier to work with them."
That was a new one. Then again, Eino's answers tended to be out-of-the-box. "Take two points for Ravenclaw," Jared said, giving the boy a nod.
"Glisseo is a fairly simple charm and, if used at the right time, it can be a quite useful one as well. Like most of you have said, it makes an uneven or rough surface smooth and slippery. The incantation - Gliss-SAY-oh -" He emphasized the 'say' - "Comes from the French word, Glissière, meaning 'to slide.' To cast the charm, just point your wand at the object you want to change, concentrate, and say the incantation."
"Go ahead, and give it a try. You can try it on your desks, your textbooks, even the soles of your shoes. Use Finite Incantatem to nullify the effects of the charm, before you give it another go. Fifth years and above, I'd like you to try casting the charm non-verbally."
Selina sat at her desk listening to every answer not really sure as to what the charm was. Unlike most students in this classroom Charms was not her strongest subject. It was not like Potions, she could do it, but Selina usually needed to be educated before she would know every answer. However, that was the point of the education system correct? So when Descoteaux explained the charm and its origin she took prolific notes. Once he was done and told them to start to experiment she looked around the room for an object that was rough and could be made slippery. On the other side of the room Selina saw a rough and unbroken ice block. She pointed her wand at the block and said, "Glisseo!" Nothing happened. She looked at her wand and kind of turned it around to examine it. Noticing that it was fine she raised her wand again and said a bit more forcefully, "Glisseo!" And it did... nothing. Now Selina was starting to get frustrated. She threw her hand up in the air and forcefully pointed her wand, "GLISSEO!" And the ice smoothed over on the once rough block.
Eino took his wand and began searching around the room for something to charm. He could use his books but that didn't seem interesting enough, the soles though, that sounded like it could be fun. Especially if they also charmed the floor! Sadly, that would have to wait until he reached the Common Room. He looked through his backpack, on his desk, and under it, but he couldn't find anything that looked like it could use some smoothing.
He let out a heavy breath and rested his hand on his hands as he continued to look around the room lazily. Then he came across a mirror. He walked towards it and picked it up. It was perfectly smooth already, but something else wasn't, his face. Lately, some tiny bumps have been appearing on his skin. His mother said it they would all burst and then turn him into a man. He neither wanted them to burst on his face, nor to grow up, so he took his wand and pointed at the pimple on his forehead. "Glisseo!" He said then turned to the mirror. He looked at himself in the mirror, rubbed his forehead and it was so smooth! No more evil bumps on his face! This was perfect. This way he could be little forever. He then proceeded to point the wand at his other pimple and successfully charmed it smooth!
When he ran out of pimples he pulled his shirt up, pointed his wand at his bellybutton and said the incantation. IT WAS GONE!!!! He rubbed his belly and his button was gooooone! "Finite Incantatem!" He said with his wand pointed at where his bellybutton should be and soon enough it reappeared. Good for pimples, but weird on bellybuttons. He then tucked his shirt back in his pants and looked around for other things to charm.
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"Glisseo is a fairly simple charm and, if used at the right time, it can be a quite useful one as well. Like most of you have said, it makes an uneven or rough surface smooth and slippery. The incantation - Gliss-SAY-oh -" He emphasized the 'say' - "Comes from the French word, Glissière, meaning 'to slide.' To cast the charm, just point your wand at the object you want to change, concentrate, and say the incantation."
"Go ahead, and give it a try. You can try it on your desks, your textbooks, even the soles of your shoes. Use Finite Incantatem to nullify the effects of the charm, before you give it another go. Fifth years and above, I'd like you to try casting the charm non-verbally."
This was SO not fair! Helena wanted to cast the charm non-verbally as well. There was probably only her age that didn't allow her to. Hmph.
With her wand in her hand, she pointed it towards her textbook. "Glisseo," the girl said, then ran her fingers against the... slippery textbook. It was... interesting. She also turned it over, and moved it on the desk, so it looked like it was skating. Hehe. The charm was cool.
So, is this the charm that the professor use to make this ice rink? If so, then it would make sense somehow. Drawing her wand from her robes, Aiden points it towards her textbook. "Glisseo," she recites as the textbook looks smoother.
Nice charm. Great for pranks. Imagine on the first of April, all the stairs will be slippery and you won't be able to use the stairs for the whole day. It could be the perfect prank.
She took out of her bag, an empty textbook, with a rough cover. Pointing her wand at it, and in her mind she thought "Glisseso," nothing happened. Okay as usual she doesn't succeed at her first try. Again, she pointed her wand at the textbook and thought, "Glisseso." Nothing seemed to happen, except that the book seemed a bit shinier and it maybe moved a bit. She wanted to put the book back into her bag, but as she held, it slipped out of her hand and fell onto the floor. "Cool," she mumbled to herself, proud of herself because she succeeded. She quickly picked it up, before it could slip out of her hands, and placed it on her desk. She began playing with it, she pushed the textbook gently and watched it slide on the table, but trying no drop it. It was awesome!
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rachel smiled, cool spellshe thought, she looked at her textbook and said, "Glisseso," it didn't work at first so she tried again, "Glisseso," she said firmly, and yes it had worked! The book was shiny, she pushed it along the table and it moved with ease!
Was he supposed to tell her off for sleeping in class?
... "Alright there?" Jared asked. She didn't need medical attention, did she?
It was a good thing he had asked this question, because it seemed a good number of the students didn't have a clear idea what the differences between Charms and Transfiguration, were.
"Right," Jared said. "It seems most of you have the same basic concepts and confusions, so let's discuss a few things before we move on. There are spells that may look as if they blur the lines between Charms and Transfiguration but, the fact is, they do not. Charms and transfigurational spells are both spells. The difference? Charms change an object on a superficial level, while Transfiguration changes its vital functions. Think of it this way: a charm turns a red apple into a green apple, but a transfigurational spells turns it into an orange." The green apple would still be an apple, but the orange would be foreign territory. "Remember that neither is permanent: how long a charm or a transfigurational spell lasts, depends on the caster's intentions, concentration and abilities. "
"All conjuration and vanishing spells are a part of Transfiguration. That means spells like Incendio, Aguamenti and Evanesco are all Transfiguration. Much of students' confusion stems from the fact that before the formation of a proper system of classification, spells were just... spells." There hadn't been rigid regulations and definitions in existence, then. "The terms charm, spell and transfiguration were often used inter-changeably. Later, as different branches of magic developed and fixed laws were formulated, charms and transfigurational spells were separated. The old names still remained popular, however, so transfigurational spells like the Protean Charm and the Shield Charm still have 'charm' as a suffix." The 'but they aren't charms' argument was a bit like the 'but sandwiches don't contain sand!' argument, all things considered.
"The most important thing to remember, however, is that you can never categorize a spell just by knowing what it does." That was the one thing that none of the students seemed to know. "Each spell has a mechanism and, unless you know about this mechanism, you can't always say if a spell is a charm or not, because you don't know how it's bringing about the change it's bringing about. In more simple words, a spell that turns an apple into an orange might not be transfiguration because it might be making the apple look like an orange. It could be just the appearance that changes and, underneath that appearance, the apple would still be an apple. It could also be an advanced spell, with more than one part, which means it could be executing a series of spells - such as a charm and a transfigurational spell. Confusing, right?" Of course. "Rule of thumb at this stage, is that conjuration and vanishing? Always transfiguration. Something else? Likely to be charms."
He gave the class a few minutes to digest and jot down the information, before moving on. "Today, we're going to learn -" Or revise, as the case might be - "The Glisseo Charm. Does anyone know what this charm does, or a possible scenario it could be used in?"
Presley glanced up as the professor asked if she was alright. She nodded, to say she was fine, and redoubled her focusing efforts. The glisseo charm....Presley knew she'd read that before somewhere...."Doesn't it make rough surfaces sort of smooth over?" she guessed, raising her hand.
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"Glisseo is a fairly simple charm and, if used at the right time, it can be a quite useful one as well. Like most of you have said, it makes an uneven or rough surface smooth and slippery. The incantation - Gliss-SAY-oh -" He emphasized the 'say' - "Comes from the French word, Glissière, meaning 'to slide.' To cast the charm, just point your wand at the object you want to change, concentrate, and say the incantation."
"Go ahead, and give it a try. You can try it on your desks, your textbooks, even the soles of your shoes. Use Finite Incantatem to nullify the effects of the charm, before you give it another go. Fifth years and above, I'd like you to try casting the charm non-verbally."
They'd moved on. Presley grinned, the soles of her shoes? To make them slippery? She flipped her leg up onto the desk, contorted in an unnatural but comfortable position, with the bottom of her foot facing her. "Glisseo!" she waved her wand slightly, then grinned again as her shoe became perfect for sliding. She pulled her right leg up without putting down her left, and did the other shoe. Magic was wonderful. She might have to remember this one for a frizzy hair day. She wondered for a brief moment, if it would work on hair. Well, if it didn't, there was always finite incantatem.
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Nima blinked a few times and tried to take notes on the paragraphs of notes that her professor just said. What. Okay no notes for Nika today. She pushed her parchment away from her body as she blew a strand of hair away from her face.
Thank Merlin Nika's only a second year. It's hard enough trying to do the charm correctly let alone try nonverbaly! She let out a small chuckle as she listened some more and then lifted her wand and took out her textbook. She put her wand in front of her textbook and tried to concentrate the best she could. " Gliss-SAY-oh.." she muttered the spell as she waited for something to happen, but of course nothing did. As always. She gave it at least four more goes then decided it was time to ask for help. Like always. "I-I don't know what I'm doing wrong professor. I can't seem to get it right."
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Aw, all it did was make things smooth, that was a lot less exciting than making water balloons. Well...that's not what it actually did. ANYWAY, she moved her focus back to this lesson.
Isobel took out her wand and moved it over her desk. "Glisseo," she said, nut nothing happened. Hummm. She tried again. "Glisseo," she repeated, waving her wand over her desk. It hadn't really been bumpy or anything, but there had been a few scratches. They were gone now. Isobel needed something else to work on.
For now though, "Finite Incantatum," she said, and the scratches came back. She kept repeating that. Glisseo, then Finite Incantatum. "Professor do you have a rock?" Why would he have a rock? What kind of person would just carry a rock around with them at all times? Oh well, it never hurt to ask she supposed.
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"Glisseo is a fairly simple charm and, if used at the right time, it can be a quite useful one as well. Like most of you have said, it makes an uneven or rough surface smooth and slippery. The incantation - Gliss-SAY-oh -" He emphasized the 'say' - "Comes from the French word, Glissière, meaning 'to slide.' To cast the charm, just point your wand at the object you want to change, concentrate, and say the incantation."
"Go ahead, and give it a try. You can try it on your desks, your textbooks, even the soles of your shoes. Use Finite Incantatem to nullify the effects of the charm, before you give it another go. Fifth years and above, I'd like you to try casting the charm non-verbally."
Right. So Sierra wasn't much for turning her shoes into glisseo shoes. It seemed like it could be fun, but no way was she going to try it for the first time in front of a classroom full of people. She'd just wait until she got home for the summer or something, and then she'd experiment with it.
Oh, wait. She was only thirteen. Blahhh.
Nevermind on that then. She'd just ask her father or his girlfriend to cast glisseo for her then. She pointed her wand at her textbook, concentrated on it sliding about, and then said, "Glisseo!" She poked at her textbook experimentally, and then she watched as it slid off to desk, onto her lap, and then onto the floor. It finally came to a stop by her foot. She smirked at it and picked it back up. "Finite Incantatem!"
William concentrated on his shoes Wiliam pointed his wand st his shoes. " Glisseo "William called out. "Willaim goes sliding around the class avoiding desks and students. " Finite Incantatem" Willaim called out. William felt like he stopped on a dime when his shoes went back to normal.
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Rebecca decided to try the spell, since she was supposed to. She took out her wand and pointed it at her desk. "Glisseo," she said and soon enough, the desk was very smooth. She then decided to see just how smooth it was by rubbing her hand on it. "Wow," she said to herself. "It's really smooth. But I better change it back. Don't want anything to fall off of it. Finite Incantatem. Now. What else should I try it on..." She then tried it on her book, her bag, and the bottoms of her shoes. Each time admiring just how smooth the charm made each item.
Since Samira never used the glisseo charm before, she was definitely not about to use it on any of her personal items. Looking down at her desk, she moved her wand to a particularly rough corner and said, "Glisseo!" The desk smoothed out enough, but Samira wanted it perfect. "Glisseo!" she repeated, more forcefully. This time the edge of the desk became completely smooth. Smiling in satisfaction, Samira moved to her text book.