I'm glad you understand. But, reading many of these posts it seems that people Do NOT understand that Ebay can't. JK was the first one to say we need to contact Ebay to complain, so I don't think she fully understands either. If she had just said "Do not purchase signed HP merchandise off of Ebay due to countless forgeries" I would not have even posted in either thread about this.

If not for that, and people following through, I wouldn't have said anything. I've posted the Ebay User Agreement, when one uses Ebay, they admit Ebay cannot control it all and agree to not make a claim against Ebay. Jo needs to contact the sellers, through her lawyers, and talk to them. Not Ebay.

I decline to post my opinion on Jo in this as many fanatical fans in here would not appreciate it.

Right on Jo!!!! Stupid Ebay, learn your lessons!

E-bay r gonna have to watch out. There's gonna be alot of angry customers out there..

i really hope ebay take not of angry HP fans!

*gives up on you lot*

I've already posted that it isn't Ebay's fault, and that the purchaser assumes responisbility for checking out the items. If you're dumb enough to buy "signed" merchandise on Ebay, then you get what you deserve.

Jo needs to look at the user agreement as well, which she obviously hasn't. Children are not to use Ebay without Parental/Guardian permission, and they say, In A Legal Binging Agreement That All Ebay Users Must Adhere To if They Want To Use Ebay That it is NOT their responsibility and that they are NOT an auction site.

go on, complain to Ebay, they're not going to change the rules because children write in to complain about forgeries on EBay. I'd like to see someone Sue them, because the case wouldn't see the inside of a courtroom because they, by agreeing to the user agreement, agreed to NOT make a claim against Ebay, AND acknowledge that it Is NOT Ebay's responsibility.

Get Over It.

Grow Up.

Use Common Sense.

Don't Complain about getting ripped off when it's truly your own fault.

some people always have to stir trouble in one way or another

[QUOTE=adorable_lil_thing]Don't attack me for pointing out the other side of things, Ottery. (Sorry if you're not, but you often seem to flip from sarcasim to honesty with no warning, it's difficult to keep up). I'm just tired of people blaming companies, whom they KNOW are out to make money, and it's not just Ebay. If people would use some SENSE then people wouldn't be able to get away with this. As I've said before, if you DONT buy "signed" merchandise off Ebay, you'll be safe. It'd be better to go to one of the companies who ACTUALLY get to look at the merchandise.


I decline to post my opinion on Jo in this as many fanatical fans in here would not appreciate it. /QUOTE]


Let me just apologize to Emma (Marcella Riddle) if commenting to this is off topic.

adorable:I am going to comment only once, feel free to comment or respond back to this just know I will not be returning to read the comment or engage in any other word exchange on this matter with you....

From your above comment it shows that you and JO are actually trying to get the same point across to fans...which is don't buy autographed pieces from e-bay. E-bay does have some responsibility here especially when JO is contacting them and informing them of certain frauds. There is also some fan responsibility here which JO addressed as well...stop buying autographed pieces from e-bay and go to the right places for these items. Very well. You actually both agree on that part.

You are actually so fired up about this matter to the point of blind hatred towards Jo which is actually indicated in your final sentence in the above quote. So if you hate Jo so much why or how are you a HP fan?

I am just a little confused, please forgive me if that is offensive, for it is not meant to be. I just think that your dislike of Jo is keeping you from seeing that in the end you are both really saying the same thing...


Don't buy autographed things from e-bay.

Wow, you read one of the two threads involved. Congrats. I'm referring to BOTH threads, so, please, before you attempt you tell me I'm agreeing with Jo, read both threads.

She tells people to yell at Ebay, and she says that "Many Appear" to be forgeries. She does not say "150" are, and she can only say "appear" because, appearantly, she can't tell if she actually signed something or not. Ebay can't do a darned thing with vagueness.

Once again, I point to the EBay User Agreement.



This is the Legally Binding Agreement one must agree to before creating an Ebay account. It takes all responisbility and puts it not only on the buyer but the seller as well. If you have a dispute with the item you purchase you contact the seller, and only if there's a conviction, investigation, or settlement against the seller can Ebay do anything. It's in a binding contract/agreement. So even if Ebay suspects something, nothing can be done until the seller is convicted or settles. Ebay is bound to that.










This statement is laughable. Absolutely laughable. *saves it for future laughs* So, lemme get this straight.....You met Jo? Or just read about her in an interview, determined you liked her, before reading HP? I didn't think so. Neither did I. The only connection HP has to Jo is that she writes it. Period. A Book does not determine a person........unless it's an autobiography, even then, however, it's shakey. I like the Belgaraid, Mallorean, Ellenium, Tamuli, Redemption of Althalus, Regina's Song, High Hunt, and The Losers, but David and Leah Eddings are rarely in newspapers. So, since I don't know anything they do, save writing books, I can't like those books, right? According to your logic, that's exactly what it is.

Once again, she throws that in as a second thought. And I'm glad you think you know what's in my mind. Tell me, what am I thinking now? If you think it's about you, you're wrong. The first thing she wants us to do is write in and complain to Ebay about forgeries, which, by agreeing with the user agreement, one already admits Ebay has no power of it.

She's normally very intelligent, but the way she's going about this isn't. It's dumb. I'm not impressed the way she's bashing EBay when, if she had done her homework, she'd realise the first thing she'd have to do is contact the sellers. The User Agreement isn't THAT hard to find, but she's up in a tizzy and, probably, doesn't have her head on straight.



Let me see if I can translate Ebay into simple terms.

You introduce me to your friend. Soon after, your friend sells me something bogus. Therefore, I can yell at you, blame you, and sue you, right? Didn't think so. Ebay is "you" the seller is "your friend" I am me, or the buyer. Is that easier to understand?

Ebay is NOT an auction site, so it does NOT have the same rules as Auction sites. Ebay is an electronic Flea Market. Flea Market organizers have little control over the sellers. For Auction houses, they examine the goods, in person and not pictures, then sell them themselves. Flea Markets, people show up, put up their displays and sell things to you. Ebay is a Flea Market.

Well all I can say is that I hope that people are more careful when they pick what they buy. I mean she's right about the kids. They wouldn't know if it was fake or not.

Adults and Children alike are unable to see (other than small photo) the product that they are buying on e-bay until they receive it. E-bay does have some responsibility in the matter, along with the dishonest individuals placing the items for sale. I this matter, I feel that HP fans should stop buying all items from e-bay.

^^^ i agree!!
thats bad for ebay!

Read. The. User. Agreement.

it's right below you, and easily found on Ebay. In order to use ebay you promise to not make a claim against Ebay for stuff you buy.

Although.....*makes note of your User Name* Whenever you introduce me to your friend, and they sell me a bogus item. I'll be sure to include you in my claim against your friend, since you believe EBay has responsibility, then so would you. Get over it.


I've a better idea. I'll talk EBay into not allowing HP items at all. I'm sure other fans would love that. But at least they'd be protecting themselves from children who don't read the user agreement


besides, there's a way to make the picture bigger, and if you can't see something clearly, why would you buy it anyway? *Wonders why people don't use the thing called Common Sense when shopping on Ebay*

how nice of JK!

That why I don't buy stuff on e-bay, because it could be fake!