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Old 10-06-2005, 10:45 AM
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Post G.P.Taylor expelled after 'gay' HP misunderstanding

Several different news sources are reporting that while on a tour of schools author G.P.Taylor referred to Harry Potter as 'gay'. He was also accused of using inappropriate language (fart, bum, bogey and pee) and was thus removed from the hall.

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"As for Harry Potter, well, he's not the only gay in the village," the former Anglican priest told children at Penair School in Truro, referring to a catchphrase from the popular comedy TV show "Little Britain".

"All I said was that my villains are scarier than those in Harry Potter, and they are. I called Lord Voldemort Lord Vulgarwart. I said he was a bit of a wimp."

"It was a joke; a joke from 'Little Britain' that the children would know," Taylor was quoted by newspapers as saying.

"I didn't set out to offend. I'm a priest and I'm very careful about not offending people."

"It is down to a growing climate of political correctness. It is curbing freedom of speech."
Personally, I agree with G.P.Taylor, it was a joke referencing what's popular; a way of connecting with the teens who would have known what show he was referring to. I honestly don't see what all the fuss is about.
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I do have a question though, when someone expresses an opinion against HP or JK, why do most HP Fans automatically say "Im never reading their books!"
Surprizigly few "never-gonna-read-his-books" posts anyway, Pratchett got loads more

I don´t know this guy or his books; I have never seen Little Brittany. But I think that some people think the priests shouldn´t tell jokes. Until now Í´ve disagreed with this, but now I think there might be some reason for that kind of opinion
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I've never heard of him but if you've ever watched LB you'd get the joke straight away. I laughed when I read it n I agree with Emma that it's being blown way out of proportion. It was a JOKE, get over it.
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The guy is a priest right? Well, I don't know that comedy series, I don't think it airs in the Netherlands, but I don't think you could make a comment like that without consequences. Maybe he did mean it the right way, but I think it was just rather stupid of him....
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OMG, how could you talk to children like that? That's so vulgar. And you call yourself a priest. My uncle was a priest, and he likes Harry Potter. Priests these days...
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To me he was out of line, no because he was making fun of Harry Potter, but the language he use in front of the kids, I think people think sometimes that is ok to talk like that to kids, but I absolutely think is wrong, he was in a school full of kids, and it doesn’t matter their age, he should have shown more respect for the school, joke or not it was wrong for him to do it
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Harry GAY????? excuse me but we all know harry liked cho and then ginny in HBP
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When using the word gay in a derrogitory manner that is insulting to homosexuals everywhere. What's wrong with Harry being gay? Politically correct atmosphere my beast of burden. I'd write an editorial but this subject isn't allowed on SS because of the kiddies...inappropriate...I should think so. Homophobia should be inappropriate.
It's NOT derogative. He isn't using the word 'gay' as insult. It has been wrongly interpreted that way. He is not being homophobic.

I guess those who haven't seen the show just cannot understand. I suppose it's one of those 'culture clash' things. Taylor's audience was British and therefore they knew what he meant by it. His intended audience isn't international so of course his expression isn't understandable to anyone else (bar those who've seen the show perhaps on BBCAmerica or something.)

The point is the reference isn't negative toward Harry or gay people. The meaning behind it (correct me if I'm wrong) is that Harry isn't the only book out there. Kids should broaden their minds ie; explore different genres or, one could say, it's a plug for his book also. But it's his tour so he's entitled to that. I'd say it's an analogy specfically chosen because these 12 - 14 year olds would know the show and understand what he means by it.

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To me he was out of line, no because he was making fun of Harry Potter, but the language he use in front of the kids, I think people think sometimes that is ok to talk like that to kids, but I absolutely think is wrong, he was in a school full of kids, and it doesn’t matter their age, he should have shown more respect for the school, joke or not it was wrong for him to do it
What language? He didn't swear at all.
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*raise hand* Question. What does the phrase "he's not the only gay in the village" means? I'm afraid that I being a non-native English speaker... - nevermind, responded in previous post

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Even if this is a joke, I find it really...stupid!And what about talking to children!( )... !GAY?!This guy is crazy!
Keep those comments to yourself, the truly insulting thing is having someone over react over it.


Also, Shadowsmancer is a work to be read by an older audience, hence why it can be 'scarier'. Personally I haven't read his book, only have good recomendations.
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Literally that. Vonnie has explained it. Basically it's from a comedy sketch in the show 'Little Britain'. This character is convinced he's the only gay in the village and is rather in denial when anyone says or appears otherwise hence, "I'm the only gay in the village!"
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Actually that's an oxymoron, you're telling people they have a right to their opinions except when it attacks someone elses. What are you liberal? LOL. Seriously...people have a right to hate him if they want you're just wanting polite censorship but then he's offended me so...*shrugs* shouldn't you shut him up?
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I think I didn't explain myself properly. I simply meant that it's okay for eveyone to express opinions, but it's the accusations and name calling that irritate me.


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The point is the reference isn't negative toward Harry or gay people. The meaning behind it (correct me if I'm wrong) is that Harry isn't the only book out there. Kids should broaden their minds
That's what I thought it meant. And it's so true, people were saying when HP First came out that it got kids reading again, YAY For Reading, but it seems that people only want to read HP, which is kind of insulting to the other authors out there, as if everyones saying "JK is best and I dont need to read anyone else to prove I'm right." There's only one more HP book and who knows if JK will keep writing? Or, if she does, if she'll move to a different age level (pop-ups, beginer readers, adult). What will the HP target audience do then? If they're not willing to try other books by other authors, then they'll go back to computer games, video games and we'll see a decrease in reading and even literacy again.


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Harry GAY????? excuse me but we all know harry liked cho and then ginny in HBP
that man shud get a life
This one truly baffled me. If you read the Lord Vulgarwart, why not finish it all? He said he was referencing Pop culture, which is the thing to do for whom he was addressing. He wasn't calling Harry gay *points above to Miss Emma*
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And, in essence, HP would ironically be to blame for turning people away from books!
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Well I don't get the joke, but I'll take Emma's and his word that it is a joke. I think everyone is entitled to their own opinions and if the person thinks it's gay, so be it. I'll just take his word that he meant it as a joke. I mean after all he said that he didn't mean to offend anyone.

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I didn't understand that though. I mean why would a priest go around saying words like that?
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Er... how old were these children? There's nothing wrong with what he said, since he said it as a *joke*, but depending on what age group that was some of those comments *were* inappropriate...

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No, I don't think so. I know quite a few people who never read, but then read HP and now read quite often. Obviously, nothing really compares to the series, but I don't think that means people refuse to read other authors.
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Er... how old were these children? There's nothing wrong with what he said, since he said it as a *joke*, but depending on what age group that was some of those comments *were* inappropriate...



No, I don't think so. I know quite a few people who never read, but then read HP and now read quite often. Obviously, nothing really compares to the series, but I don't think that means people refuse to read other authors.
They were 12-14, they were old enough for it. Let us not forget that he was also in trouble for saying 'fart', 'bum', 'bogey' and 'pee'. o.O


We're saying that in essance, how people tend to refuse other authors because they're convinced JK is the Literary Goddess that once the series ends the ones who refused to branch out will most likely head back to the video games and television.
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No, I don't think so. I know quite a few people who never read, but then read HP and now read quite often. Obviously, nothing really compares to the series, but I don't think that means people refuse to read other authors.
I was responding to a hypothetical which Vonnie gave. I wasn't saying that was going to happen.

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He wasn't a priest at that time but regardless, he's still human. I don't see what's wrong or inappropriate about the words fart, bum, bogey and pee. They may not be polite but they're far from expletives!
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lol this thread is repeating itself lol! i agree emma it was a stupid thing to do and ia m sure he regrets it
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Not stupid, in the sense that it's his opinion and he's allowed to have it. But stupid in the sense that he should've perhaps predicted he may get pounced for it.
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If they were 5 year olds then fair do's but its a community school. Even though ive only been past it i see teenagers there. THEY arent going to be offeneded by it. They will find it a laugh that he said "fart" and called Voldie "Vulgarwart". I was the TEACHERS that were offeneded. I bet if you asked the teens if they wanted him to stay there they would say yes! I would! I would be outraged at first hearing what he was saying. But a jokes a joke and not everone can handle them.

The teachers were just being really stupid about it all.
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