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Con_Stripes 09-21-2009 12:22 AM

Not quoting all of you just to say you are right ;)
 
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Originally Posted by AmbiguouslyMe (Post 8644451)
Tibi scrunched up his face again. He knew this. It had been in a book and if it was in a book, Tibi would know it.

Raising his hand again, he ventured a guess of sorts, "Well... if they knew what really happened, they'd know we exist... and the statute of secrecy , um" Tibi paused; this was not going to be sophisticated language, "says we can't tell them or let them find out."

Right?

"The Statute of Secrecy is indeed the answer I am looking for." Ethan nodded around at those who had mentioned it.

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Originally Posted by Sincerely, Crysta (Post 8644456)
Amber beamed with pride. She was happy that she was making a good impression on her first day of class. Hopefully the rest of her classes would go so well.

"My mother might have been part of the team. She is a cursebreaker herself." Amber stated, with pride for her mother and the knowledge that her mother came back to her with after she was gone on work.

"Excellent, do feel free to pop by my office and we can discuss it if you like." Ethan winked at the young Hufflepuff.

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Originally Posted by Golden Monkey (Post 8644482)
William thought for a moment, thinking back to a time when he wasn't around. "Well professor, one thing I do know if that everyone has their own opinion and when one person says one thing, the others might disagree, wanting to disprove that persons ideal." he began, his voice sounding a little bit hesitant. "Then there's peopel wanting to prove they're better than everyone else by saying something completely out there and not listening to those who know better. I mean, if we all listened to each other properly, I'm sure those disputes wouldn't happen as often. Though no one is ever 100% perfect right?" He went on, his voice sounding more normal now that he was getting into the swing of things.

As he listened to the professor replying to the other students who had answered, his mind began wandering off. Mirror huh? He shook his head, getting back to the topic at hand, "Well Sir, I know that folk tales are one thing that keep our world from the muggles, even if it's changing one of our true stories and adding a bit of things to it, to make it sound majestical or dangerous. Then of course there's the Statute of Secrecy." he replied, knowing he was going on and on but not really caring.

"It's all about power." Ethan answered, "Getting it and keeping it. Many disputes stem from the desire of one side or another to have power."

Ah.

"Thank you for bringing up folk tales. Indeed myths and fairy tales are indeed a way that the statute of secrecy is supported. Muggles see magic as make-believe and that is a very powerful resource that Wizardkind can use to keep ourselves hidden. Propaganda so to speak." Ethan nodded in appreciation.

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Originally Posted by Zoerawrr (Post 8644486)
"Indeed," Jake replied again, feeling a little stupid when he did. "Cool beanz."

Cool beanz indeed.

As Truebs went on, Jake was suddenly struck by a mental image of looking through a two-way mirror, whilst a clone of his was on the other side, seeing only a reflection. Hmmm. That metaphor didn't work when you put clones into it.

He pointed at Tibi with one hand as he raised the other. "Like Tibi said, something about the statute of secrecy. And... didn't the magical and muggle world used to live in harmony, until apparently the muggles started wanting magical solutions and everything, and then wizards went into hiding, and that thinger of secrecy was put into place. The International Confederation of Warlocks' Statute of Secrecy," Jake paused for a moment. "Basically... doesn't that mean we're selfish?"

Seemed about right.

"But now... and then of course, with the witch-burning, we'd face prosecution, and maybe like, lab testing," Jake shuddered, realising he'd gone on a bit.

"Another good answer. Though in a way you contradict yourself Jake. You say it means we are selfish, for not helping muggles with our magic, perhaps for not taking away disease and pain and hardship from mugglekind? It isn't merely because of the statute that this is so, like you said it is because of expectations muggles had that they would get everything they wanted, often disregarding the fundamental laws of magic and what is actually possible. Indeed wizardkind would face great prejudice from muggles. Fear tends to breed such things. We will discuss this aspect of the statute." Truebridge nodded.

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Originally Posted by HG_forever (Post 8644490)
'A mirror?' Whit knew he was only using it as a metaphor but seriously, how was she supposed to know what this mirror was? She sat there thinking about it and heard a couple of students mention the Statue of Secrecy. That could be what Professor Truebridge was talking about but she felt it was something more than that. Like, for instance, whenever you wanted to go to Diagon Alley you had to go through the Leaky Cauldron. More students continued to mention the statue but instead she rose her hand and answered with, "Would it be something like the magic brick wall in the Leaky Cauldron, rather than the statue of secrecy. Anyone can tell a muggle about Wizards but the only way a muggle can get to Diagon Alley is if they go with a wizard, right?" A guess never hurt anyone.

"Quite right in a sense, Whitney. It is charms and magic that are put in place in order to keep the statute intact. The reasons are often just as important as the methods."

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Originally Posted by Magenta (Post 8644493)
Magenta smiled mischieviously at the girl who had laughed at her little slip before turning back to look at the professor. "Uh, ministry of magic?" she asked rather than answered. She looked around quickly to see what the others said, hopefully she wasn't way off.

"Indeed. The ministry, or rather all of the ministries for each country. It all ties in with the statute."

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Originally Posted by TSnitch (Post 8644506)
Tori sat down beside Carter and took out her books. She wondered how good she would be in this class.

"While I appreciate your presence, I do not appreciate that you are late. Please endeavour to be on time in the future." Ethan looked up at the new arrival and provided a little warning.

ooc: remember, if the class has already started, just post like you are already there unless you want to risk losing points for arriving late. No points lost this time though!

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Originally Posted by Windsfreak (Post 8644512)
Matheu raised his hand. "Is that how Muggles formed the science Cryptozoology? It's the equivilant of Magizoology to the wizard kind. My father is Muggle and he and my step-mother work in the Muggle world to show that magical beasts do exist." Matheu wasn't too sure how much he said, but he wanted to know. He needed to know! "They have permission by the Ministry, of course. It's just something that my step-mother got my father into doing."

"The Statute does not apply to muggles." Ethan answered. "However, you will find that the ministry actively ensures that Cryptozoologists in the muggle world come up against stumbling blocks. Any witches and wizards that 'help' the muggle cryptozoologists, would be helping to actually keep things hidden and keep an eye on what is revealed or risk Azkaban. The Statute of Wizarding Secrecy is often kept intact simply because of the disbelief that is already built up amongst muggles. Testing that, and ensuring that there are doubters is a fundamental part of enforcing the statute." Truebridge explained, more for the benefit of the class as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Ratel (Post 8644532)
Arrick looked thoroughly lost. Everyone could have made up everything that they had just said, and he wouldn't have been able to tell the difference.

That didn't make any sense. You weren't supposed to see on either side of a mirror, just a reflection.

"You mean tinted glass," Arrick blurted, unable to let the inconsistency slip by. "Like a limo or sunglasses. People ernt see into the tinted side but you can see out. You can't see out the backside of a mirror."

"Indeed. But a 'two way mirror' is what the muggles call it, even though it is a contradiction of itself." Truebridge answered the little Hufflepuff.

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Originally Posted by Deniiz (Post 8644543)
Yay, Evan was right! He had feared this lesson the most, but his first answer was right! Now the next one...

He again raised his hand hesitantly. "The mirror is the Statue of Secrecy... and their strong belief that magic is unreal. Even if someone told the magic was real, they're so determined it is not that they wouldn't believe anyway..." He trailed off and waited to be called "wrong".

"Precisely. The belief on the part of the muggles, or the disbelief really, is a fundamental part of what makes the statute actually work."

Ethan did like it when Slytherins gave good answers.

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Originally Posted by Herminny (Post 8644550)
Herminny raised her hand and said, "I believe thats the International Statute of Wizarding Secrecy which is a law in the wizarding world that was first signed in 1689 then established officially in 1692. The law was laid down by the International Confereration of Wizards to safeguard the wizarding community from Muggles, and hide their presence from the world at largeThe Statute states that each individual Ministry of Magic is responsible for hiding the presence of the magical community in their own country. Each Ministry is held responsible for, among other things, the control of magical beasts, curbing public displays of underage magic, and ensuring that magical games and sports are played without fear of discovery.
Breaches of the Statute, such as using magic in front of Muggles for no good reason, are dealt with by the Ministry, with a variety of punishments available to be enforced upon the offende .".

"Thank you Herminny." Truebridge could always trust that Herminny Telerino, troublemaker though she might be ;), could be counted on to have read the text book.

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Originally Posted by rubindo (Post 8644565)
This is a simple question. "The mirror between wizards and muggles, is, well, magic! We use spells and charms to create a mirror." It seemed pretty straightforward.

"Magic is one of the ways we keep the statute intact." Ethan answered, "though the statute itself is intended to keep magic intact. It's circular in that way."

Ethan looked around the class.

"So why is the statute necessary?"

Ratel 09-21-2009 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by NicoT (Post 8644773)
"Magic is one of the ways we keep the statute intact." Ethan answered, "though the statute itself is intended to keep magic intact. It's circular in that way."

Ethan looked around the class.

"So why is the statute necessary?"

"So there are rules for things."

Arrick blurted a reply without really thinking about it. He may even have meant it as an aside comment to himself, but that wasn't clear.

To him, magic didn't seem to follow any particular code of rules, except for it not supposing to exist. He wasn't even entirely sure if it existed in proper.

IamSloane 09-21-2009 12:26 AM

Sloane flipped through her text quickly, raising her hand, "Sir, the lack of muggles belief in magic and the Statue of Secrecy enforced by the Ministry help keep our worlds separate."

LilFox06 09-21-2009 12:27 AM

Carter thought for a moment and then raised his hand. "Well, I think it's so we aren't judged. Like when my dad found out I was a wizard he freaked out, he couldn't look at me for a week. And then after that he wanted me to fix everything with magic, which of course, I couldn't do. So I think it's so we don't always get treated like that."

Windsfreak 09-21-2009 12:29 AM

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"The Statute does not apply to muggles." Ethan answered. "However, you will find that the ministry actively ensures that Cryptozoologists in the muggle world come up against stumbling blocks. Any witches and wizards that 'help' the muggle cryptozoologists, would be helping to actually keep things hidden and keep an eye on what is revealed or risk Azkaban. The Statute of Wizarding Secrecy is often kept intact simply because of the disbelief that is already built up amongst muggles. Testing that, and ensuring that there are doubters is a fundamental part of enforcing the statute." Truebridge explained, more for the benefit of the class as a whole.
"So you are saying, sir, is that Wizards are helping Muggles within the Cryptozoology science to stay unaware of magical beings?" Matheu was puzzled. "And thus that will connect to the necesscity of the Statue; to keep Muggles from stumpling into our world. But wouldn't they be part of it if their child is witch or wizard?" He wasn't getting angry, just confused. Is Isabel, his step-mother, preventing his father from proving the existance of magical beings? He would have to talk to Professor Truebridge after class; then go to the CoCM professor later.

Felixir 09-21-2009 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by NicoT (Post 8644773)
"Another good answer. Though in a way you contradict yourself Jake. You say it means we are selfish, for not helping muggles with our magic, perhaps for not taking away disease and pain and hardship from mugglekind? It isn't merely because of the statute that this is so, like you said it is because of expectations muggles had that they would get everything they wanted, often disregarding the fundamental laws of magic and what is actually possible. Indeed wizardkind would face great prejudice from muggles. Fear tends to breed such things. We will discuss this aspect of the statute." Truebridge nodded.




Ethan looked around the class.

"So why is the statute necessary?"

Contradict himself?

"Yeah... I tend to do that..." Jake mumbled, grinning sheepishly.

At the next question, Jake balked for a moment. He'd listed some textbook reasons, but because he didn't really agree with it, he couldn't give a straight answer. Raising his hand cautiously, Jake tried, "Because... for our safety, and the safety of muggles too? Some high and mighty wizards might think muggles aren't worthy of knowing and try to take over them more than ever before. Or, the other way round, muggles could try and stop 'abnormality' and go for equality."

In other words...

"Iunno."

SnitCHchASER 09-21-2009 12:31 AM

Emalyn looked up at the professor. Hmmm, why was it necessary?

"Well, if we didn't have it...uhhh, we'd be exposed. Muggles everywhere would want access to magic and some would probably try to go against us. They would also want to be a part of the whole wizarding world. Actually, there wouldn't be a wizarding world because they would probably want to be included in it, therefore not making it wizarding at all, but a mere freak show. Okay, not a freak show - no offense intended...just, I don't know...different muggles would take it differently and we would put all our futures at stake." Ema shrugged. "In a nutshell. I guess that's just the way I see it..." she trailed off.

Gissel 09-21-2009 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by NicoT (Post 8644773)
Ethan looked around the class.

"So why is the statute necessary?"

She was doing pretty good today. She wasn't completely right, but in a sense she was. Why give the same answer as someone else, right?

"It's necessary because it's what keeps the wizarding world a secret. Things would be a bit chaotic if muggles knew about us, that's what had happened at the beginning, anyways." she replied, raising her hand.

TSnitch 09-21-2009 12:32 AM

"I guess for the protection of magic itself and for witches and wizards. Protection from exploitation." Tori said after putting her hand up.

Ginny Molly Weasley 09-21-2009 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MidnightSilver (Post 8644659)
"Hmm.." Ella noted, "Not in pie form. Alright," she laughed, hearing the professor's comment.

Ah, she was in love with this class. This was going to be one fun year. Hehe.

"We okay now?" Ella hissed at Virgi, poking her playfully. A smile lit up her face. Boy, she smiled a lot. The muscles at the side of her face were aching.

"yea were OK. I'm happy to have another friend," Virgi said. "James is just a friend! I swear."

Kaytone 09-21-2009 12:36 AM

"Professor, It's to make sure we're all safe and protection for we're way of life." Kay said looking down at the desk. "I think that things would be very different if there was nothing in place."

Ratel 09-21-2009 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by LilFox06 (Post 8644791)
Carter thought for a moment and then raised his hand. "Well, I think it's so we aren't judged. Like when my dad found out I was a wizard he freaked out, he couldn't look at me for a week. And then after that he wanted me to fix everything with magic, which of course, I couldn't do. So I think it's so we don't always get treated like that."

"Fat lot of good that did," Arrick muttered. At least now he knew the cold reception he got from his foster parents wasn't unheard of. "If everyone knew about this magic stuff it ern't be an odd thing, it ern't be" he continued, not caring of anyone heard him.

Sherbetsnitch 09-21-2009 12:40 AM

Putting up her hand Abigail said “Well we’ve see from the witch burnings in the past that muggles don’t react well to magic, so it’s important for our safety in away.” Abigail knew there was more to it than this, but she believed the magical world’s safety was one of the most important reasons.

stormanator 09-21-2009 12:42 AM

Damon was thinking very hard about this question and thought he had the answer but it kept leaving. He was still trying to figure out about the different protections. Finally coming to a decision Damon raised his hand and said "I basically think this statute was developed for our protection mostly. Since wizards are fairly different from muggles we all have to watch ourselves closely in some way."

Roselyn 09-21-2009 12:43 AM

Evelyn was frantically trying to write all this information down, giving herself a hand cramp, but decided to give up with it when she remembered she could probably read this stuff in the book. 'Or just ask someone.' she thought as she put down her black quill and rubbed her aching hand.

Ratel 09-21-2009 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sherbetsnitch (Post 8644847)
Putting up her hand Abigail said “Well we’ve see from the witch burnings in the past that muggles don’t react well to magic, so it’s important for our safety in away.” Abigail knew there was more to it than this, but she believed the magical world’s safety was one of the most important reasons.

"'D react better if magic made any sense," Arrick muttered inaudibly to himself.

DH Vixen 09-21-2009 12:59 AM

Mina glanced up from her notes and thought about the questions. She wasn't completely sure if she should answer but shyly she raised her hand and in a small voice she spoke. "Maybe's it's for both muggle and wizard protection. People in general fear what they don't understand and there are things both muggle and wizards don't understand about the other. In a perfect utopia society both muggles and wizards could be completely aware of the other without fear, but we don't live in a perfect utopia and the statute is needed to maintain the protection of everyone."

Lezleighd 09-21-2009 01:03 AM

Satine listened to the conversation about our protection and finally decided to chime in, "Well, I think it's for the protection of muggles, wizards, and magical creatures....it helps protect all of us not just one out of the three. All three are very judgmental and afraid of what doesn't make sense to them, so it protects everyone on all sides." she said with confidence...she had grown up as a half blood so she felt sympathy for both sides.

IamSloane 09-21-2009 01:06 AM

Sloane raised her hand to answer but lowered it, that ws her answer.

TSnitch 09-21-2009 01:23 AM

Tori looked at the second year, very impressed with her answer. She scribbled down that point which she thought was very insightful as she too was a half blood.

Con_Stripes 09-21-2009 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ratel (Post 8644784)
"So there are rules for things."

Arrick blurted a reply without really thinking about it. He may even have meant it as an aside comment to himself, but that wasn't clear.

To him, magic didn't seem to follow any particular code of rules, except for it not supposing to exist. He wasn't even entirely sure if it existed in proper.

"Indeed. Two different kinds of rules for magic as it were. There are ones pertaining to what is physically and mentally possible, and then laws governing what should or should not be done." Truebridge eyed the Hufflepuff boy curiously.

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Originally Posted by LilFox06 (Post 8644791)
Carter thought for a moment and then raised his hand. "Well, I think it's so we aren't judged. Like when my dad found out I was a wizard he freaked out, he couldn't look at me for a week. And then after that he wanted me to fix everything with magic, which of course, I couldn't do. So I think it's so we don't always get treated like that."

"Indeed. Prejudice happens in all societies." Truebridge nodded once in agreement.

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Originally Posted by Windsfreak (Post 8644800)
"So you are saying, sir, is that Wizards are helping Muggles within the Cryptozoology science to stay unaware of magical beings?" Matheu was puzzled. "And thus that will connect to the necesscity of the Statue; to keep Muggles from stumpling into our world. But wouldn't they be part of it if their child is witch or wizard?" He wasn't getting angry, just confused. Is Isabel, his step-mother, preventing his father from proving the existance of magical beings? He would have to talk to Professor Truebridge after class; then go to the CoCM professor later.

"Muggles that know about us are, in some ways, more alienated than any other group; not one of us and yet not in a position to be believed by their own. You are welcome to come by my office and we can discuss the nuances further. I am afraid it goes beyond the scope of what is planned for this lesson." Truebridge invited.

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Originally Posted by Ginny Molly Weasley (Post 8644817)
"yea were OK. I'm happy to have another friend," Virgi said. "James is just a friend! I swear."

"Please refrain from chatting during my lesson." Ethan admonished. "The next person who does so will lose points."

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Originally Posted by Sherbetsnitch (Post 8644847)
Putting up her hand Abigail said “Well we’ve see from the witch burnings in the past that muggles don’t react well to magic, so it’s important for our safety in away.” Abigail knew there was more to it than this, but she believed the magical world’s safety was one of the most important reasons.

"For our safety, yes. Witch burnings were indeed one of the catalysts to the statute being passed."

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Originally Posted by logger31 (Post 8644853)
Damon was thinking very hard about this question and thought he had the answer but it kept leaving. He was still trying to figure out about the different protections. Finally coming to a decision Damon raised his hand and said "I basically think this statute was developed for our protection mostly. Since wizards are fairly different from muggles we all have to watch ourselves closely in some way."

"Our protection is one of the reasons, yes."

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Originally Posted by DH Vixen (Post 8644917)
Mina glanced up from her notes and thought about the questions. She wasn't completely sure if she should answer but shyly she raised her hand and in a small voice she spoke. "Maybe's it's for both muggle and wizard protection. People in general fear what they don't understand and there are things both muggle and wizards don't understand about the other. In a perfect utopia society both muggles and wizards could be completely aware of the other without fear, but we don't live in a perfect utopia and the statute is needed to maintain the protection of everyone."

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Originally Posted by Lezleighd (Post 8644928)
Satine listened to the conversation about our protection and finally decided to chime in, "Well, I think it's for the protection of muggles, wizards, and magical creatures....it helps protect all of us not just one out of the three. All three are very judgmental and afraid of what doesn't make sense to them, so it protects everyone on all sides." she said with confidence...she had grown up as a half blood so she felt sympathy for both sides.

"Excellent." Ethan listened to the two girls and nodded. "It is indeed to protect muggles just as much as ourselves. The witch burnings are a good example of this. Most of the people put to death by the flame after being charged with witchcraft, were actually muggles. Innocent muggles. True witches and wizards were quite able to escape the flames, or in the case of Wendelin the Weird, use magic to stop the flames from burning them."

Truebridge started walking around the room, more notes appearing on the blackboard as he spoke.

"Also, muggles were persecuting wizarding children, bullying them for being different. Children were stoned, drowned and other unpleasant things. Keeping wizarding children safe was another reason that the statute was introduced. In England an attempt was made to seek protection for Witches and Wizards under Muggle law but the King and Queen, William and Mary, denied the request."

He stopped walking.

"The tales of Beedle the bard contain lessons pertaining to the statute. In particular, the Wizard and the Hopping Pot and Babbity Rabbity and Her Cackling Stump. What do those stories tell us about the way things were before the statute was introduced and about the reasons that it was established?"

Magenta 09-21-2009 02:13 AM

Magenta had thought it wise not to give her answer as to why she thought it necessary for muggles to be kept in the dark about their existance. Looking around the classroom, there were certainly some here who still had ties to that world.

"It shows that muggles tried to exploit us and use our magic for their own gain" she said, unable to keep the sneer from her face.

AmbiguouslyMe 09-21-2009 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by NicoT (Post 8645107)
"The tales of Beedle the bard contain lessons pertaining to the statute. In particular, the Wizard and the Hopping Pot and Babbity Rabbity and Her Cackling Stump. What do those stories tell us about the way things were before the statute was introduced and about the reasons that it was established?"

Babbity whoozity? The Beetle? Beedle? Whoozit? Tibi once again turned to his book, flipping through furiously. He'd apparently skimmed that part. Ah.. they were fairy tales, just... different from the ones he'd learned growing up. Tiberius looked up at the professor expectantly, hoping for more explanation, his quill at the ready.

Roselyn 09-21-2009 02:21 AM

"Muggles persecuted wizard children?" Evelyn asked, surprised. Muggles weren't a popular topic in her house, and the only time her parents mentioned them was when they told her to stay away from them. Other than that, the topic was off limits, including all history about them. "That's...wow...horrible." she lowered her voice. She was just about to answer his question when someone else spoke up first. Evelyn raised her eyebrows in surprise smiling slightly. "Well, that pretty much summed it up."

Ratel 09-21-2009 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by NicoT (Post 8645107)
"Indeed. Two different kinds of rules for magic as it were. There are ones pertaining to what is physically and mentally possible, and then laws governing what should or should not be done." Truebridge eyed the Hufflepuff boy curiously.

Arrick was surprised. He wasn't expecting Professor Truebridge to take his answer seriously.

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"Excellent." Ethan listened to the two girls and nodded. "It is indeed to protect muggles just as much as ourselves. The witch burnings are a good example of this. Most of the people put to death by the flame after being charged with witchcraft, were actually muggles. Innocent muggles. True witches and wizards were quite able to escape the flames, or in the case of Wendelin the Weird, use magic to stop the flames from burning them."

"Also, muggles were persecuting wizarding children, bullying them for being different. Children were stoned, drowned and other unpleasant things. Keeping wizarding children safe was another reason that the statute was introduced. In England an attempt was made to seek protection for Witches and Wizards under Muggle law but the King and Queen, William and Mary, denied the request."
"Normal people will jus' find other things to burn each other up for, they will," Arrick muttered, crossing his arms. "They already do, got tons. They ernt need magic as 'n excuse. All they need is oddness."

He should know that, out of all people.

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"The tales of Beedle the bard contain lessons pertaining to the statute. In particular, the Wizard and the Hopping Pot and Babbity Rabbity and Her Cackling Stump. What do those stories tell us about the way things were before the statute was introduced and about the reasons that it was established?"
Here, Arrick was lost again. He had cracked open his History of Magic textbook, but hadn't committed any of it to memory. He frowned as he listened to everyone else answer like it were a matter of fact.


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