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10-20-2007, 06:51 PM
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In her next stop of the Open Book Tour at Carnegie Hall, J.K. Rowling told some things that were not only shocking, but also unexpected by many. First off, in her most outstanding revelation of the night, J.K. announced that Dumbledore is, in fact, gay.
The question was: Did Dumbledore, who believed in the prevailing power of love, ever fall in love himself? Quote:
My truthful answer to you... I always thought of Dumbledore as gay. [ovation.] ... Dumbledore fell in love with Grindelwald, and that added to his horror when Grindelwald showed himself to be what he was. To an extent, do we say it excused Dumbledore a little more because falling in love can blind us to an extent, but he met someone as brilliant as he was, and rather like Bellatrix he was very drawn to this brilliant person, and horribly, terribly let down by him. Yeah, that's how I always saw Dumbledore. In fact, recently I was in a script read through for the sixth film, and they had Dumbledore saying a line to Harry early in the script saying "I knew a girl once, whose hair..." [laughter]. I had to write a little note in the margin and slide it along to the scriptwriter, "Dumbledore's gay!" [laughter] "If I'd known it would make you so happy, I would have announced it years ago!"
"I had to give you something to talk about for the next 10 years...Just imagine the fan fiction now."
After the initial blow of the previous statement had passed, Rowling continued to tell of character's love lives - in particular, Neville's. In fact, she said that Hufflepuff's Hannah Abbott was his wife and she was to become the landlady at the Leaky Cauldron. She thought that people would find the fact of Neville's living over a pub particularly cool.
When Jo was asked what Petunia could not bring herself to say when Harry and the Dursleys parted ways before his seventeenth birthday, she had the following answer: Quote:
"I know what you're up against and I hope it turns out okay."
Remus Lupin was also a popular subject during the interview. Apparently, after graduating Hogwarts, he, James, and Lily were supported by using James' money. She also announced more on the earlier days of the Order of the Phoenix, saying that James, Sirius, Remus and Lily were full time members - or, "Full Time Fighters," as she put it.
We also all know about the ability for those in portraits to move around to other frames throughout a house or building. She revealed that Harry himself made sure that the portrait of Snape made it into the Headmaster's Office, but doubted that he ever went to speak to it.
Next, Jo confessed that Draco Malfoy does not owe his life to Harry. She spoke very briefly of the Elder Wand, but didn't go into details much. She did, however, tell of a few more fates: Hagrid never married and James & Lily went into hiding shortly after she first became pregnant with Harry.
Finally, when concluding the question and answer session, Jo discussed her personal feelings, saying that the first and final novel produced similar emotions. She also admitted that she had troubles living the weeks following her completing the last book in the Harry Potter series.
We will post transcripts to the interview as soon as they are up.
Source: TLC UPDATED: Here is a portion of the transcript from the event courtesy of TLC: Quote:
How did you decide that Molly Weasley would be the one to finish off Bellatrix?
I always knew Molly was going to finish her off. I think there was some speculation that Neville would do it, because Neville obviously has a particular reason to hate Bellatrix. ..So there were lots of options for Blelatrix, but I never deviated. I wanted it to be Molly, and I wanted it to be Molly for two reasons.
The first reason was I always saw Molly as a very good witch but someone whose light is necessarily hidden under a bushel, because she isn't in the kitchen a lot and she has had to raise, among others, and George which is like, enough... I wanted Molly to have her moment and to show that because a woman had dedicated herself to her family does not mean that she doesn't have a lot of other talents.
Second reason: It was the meeting of two kinds of - if you call what Bellatrix feels for Voldemort love, I guess we'll call it love, she has a kind of obsession with him, it's a very sick obsession ... and I wanted to match that kind of obsession with maternal love... the power that you give someone by loving them. So Molly was really an amazing exemplar of maternal love. ... There was something very satisfying about putting those two women together. How different would the last two books be if Arthur had been killed in the middle of book five?
I think they would have been very different and it's part of the reason why I chose my mind. ... By turning Ron into half of Harry, in other words by turning Ron into someone who had suffered the loss of a parent, I was going to remove the Weasleys as a refuge for Harry and I was going to necessarily remove a lot of Ron's humor. That's part of the reason why I didn't kill Arthur. I wanted to keep Ron in tact ... a lot of Ron's humor comes from his insensitivity and his immaturity, to be honest about Ron. And Ron finally, I think, you see, grows up in this book. He's the last of the three to reach what I consider adulthood, and he does it then [when he destroys the horcrux] and faces those things. So that's part of the reason.
The only other reason I didn't kill Arthur was that I wanted to come full circle. We started with an orphan, someone who lost their parents because of the war. And so I wanted to show it again. ... Even though you don't see Teddy, I wanted to express in the epilogue, that he gets an even better Godfather than Harry had, because Sirius had his faults, I think we must admit. He was a risky guy to have as a Godfather. Because Teddy gets someone who really has been there, and Harry becomes a really great father figure for Teddy as well as his own children. I hasten to add that I didn't kill Lupin or Tonks lightly. I loved them as characters...so that hurt, killing them. Q: In the Goblet of Fire Dumbledore said his brother was prosecuted for practicing inappropriate charms [JKR buries her head, to laughter] on a goat; what were the inappropriate charms he was practicing on that goat?
JKR: How old are you?
Eight.
JKR: I think that he was trying to make a goat that was easy to keep clean [laughter], curly horns. That's a joke that works on a couple of levels. I really like Aberforth and his goats. But you know Aberforth having this strange fondness for goats if you've read book seven, came in really useful to Harry, later on, because a goat, a stag, you know. If you're a stupid Death Eater, what's the difference. So, that is my answer to YOU.
[loud applause] Q: Since Ron is able to speak Parseltongue in the last book, does that mean that parseltongue is a language that most witches and wizards can learn or must a person be born with some ability to speak Parseltongue.
JKR: I don't see it really as a language you can learn. So few people speak it that who would teach you? This is a weird ability passed down through the Slytherin blood line. However Ron was with Harry when he said one word in Parseltongue, which I do not know so I cannot duplicate for you, but he heard him say "Open," and he was able to reproduce the sound. So it was one word. Whether he could learn to speak to snakes properly is a separate issue. I don't think he could. But he knew enough, he was smart enough, to duplicate one necessary sound. Q: What did Dumbledore write in the letter to make the Dursleys take Harry?
JKR: Very, very good question. As you know, as we find out in book seven, Petunia once really wanted to be part of that world. And you discover that Dumbledore has written to her prior to the Howler...Dumbledore wrote to her very kindly and explained why he couldn't let her come to Hogwarts to become a witch. So, Petunia, much as she denies it afterwards, much as she turns against that world when she met Uncle Vernon, who is the biggest anti-wizard you could ever met in your life, a tiny part of her, and that's the part that almost wished Harry luck when she said goodbye to him in this book, she just teetered on the verge of saying, I do know what you're up against and I hope it's OK. But she couldn't bring herself to say it. Years of pretending she doesn't care have hardened her. But Dumbledore appealed in the letter you're asking about, so that part of Petunia that did remember wanting desperately to be part of the world and he appealed to her sense of fair play to a sister that she had hated because Lily had what she couldn't have. So that's how she persuaded Petunia to keep Harry. Good question. Q: When Harry was stabbed by a basilisk in the Chamber of Secrets, since he was a Horcrux shouldn't it have been destroyed then?
JKR: I have been asked that a lot. Harry was exceptionally fortunate in that he had Fawkes. So before he could be destroyed without repair, which is what is necessary to destroy a horcrux, he was mended. However, I made sure that Fawkes wasn't around the second time a Horcrux got stabbed by a basilisk fang, so the poison did its work and it was irreparable within a short period of time.... I established early in the book, Hermione says that you destroy a Horcrux by using something so powerful that there's no remedy. But she does say there is a remedy for basilisk poison but of course it has to be administered immediately and when they stab the cup later - boy I'm really blowing this for anyone who hasn't finished the book - there's Fawkes, is my answer. And thank you for giving me a chance to say that because people have argued that quite a lot. Q: Why couldn't Harry speak to a portrait of Dumbledore throughout the last book?
Well there are two reasons, three reasons actually... The last bit, why did he have to decode? As Dumbledore says to Harry...to tell Harry about the Hallows was to tempt him. And Harry, throughout all seven books has been incredibly impetuous and reckless. That's one of Harry's biggest flaws. He does tend to act without thinking, and Dumbledore knows this about Harry. He wants him to work it out slowly enough to gain wisdom along the way. That's why he passed the information through Hermione, who is the most cautious person in the books, as you know. And Dumbledore says explicitly, so your good heat isn't overcome by your hot heads. Or I may have paraphrased myself slightly there so forgive me. "She doesn't even know her own book!" [laughter] Yes so that's one reason. Harry needs to decode. He said, he does say in this book, he's frightened by his decision not to race for the wand, because he had never chosen not to act. So that's Harry's real big coming of age moment, that he's decided to hold back for the first time very in his life.
So the other two reasons that I have for him not to speak to Dumbledore's portrait, first of all, I created a lot of rules for this world and then later had to navigate my away around them. But this rule was always good, and the rule was that portraits could only move between portraits in the same building. So if I'm in a picture and you're in a picture and we're both in Carnegie Hall, then we can move into each other's pictures. Otherwise we can only move only to other places where we have a portrait. You can't just move willy nilly through all the - the Louvre, the Met - you can't do a world tour, as a picture person. You are limited by geography. So there was that reason. And then lastly of course, the third reason, is it really would be too easy and I wouldn't have had a plot. Q: Many of us older readers have noticed over the years similarities between the Death Eaters tactics and the Nazis from the 30s and 40s. Did you use that historical era as a model for Voldemort's reign and what were the lessons that you hope to impart to the next generation?
It was conscious. I think that if you're, I think most of us if you were asked to name a very evil regime we would think Nazi Germany. There were parallels in the ideology. I wanted Harry to leave our world and find exactly the same problems in the wizarding world. So you have the intent to impose a hierarchy, you have bigotry, and this notion of purity, which is this great fallacy, but it crops up all over the world. People like to think themselves superior and that if they can pride themselves in nothing else they can pride themselves on perceived purity. So yeah that follows a parallel. It wasn't really exclusively that. I think you can see in the Ministry even before it's taken over, there are parallels to regimes we all know and love. [Laughter and applause.] So you ask what lessons, I suppose. The Potter books in general are a prolonged argument for tolerance, a prolonged plea for an end to bigotry, and I think it's one of the reasons that some people don't like the books, but I think that's it's a very healthy message to pass on to younger people that you should question authority and you should not assume that the establishment or the press tells you all of the truth.
[Loud applause.]
Q: What did it feel like completing your first Harry Potter book versus completing the last.
JKR: What a great question. It felt strangely similar actually. Both feelings were more alike than with any of the other books. When I finished the first book, there was this incredible sense of achievement that I'd actually written a novel, I'd actually finished my book. And it was after seven years of writing and making notes and rewriting. And then when I finished the seventh book, that was 17 years. With the seventh book there was a huge feeling of loss as well. I couldn't believe I was done. And it took me weeks, as my poor, long-suffering husband will attest. He's here. [applause] Yes, you should clap him, he's very patient! [ovation] He's not the type to stand up and take about it but trust me. Toward the end of a book I'm not that easy to live with. Yes Neil would bear witness to the fact that for weeks, really... it felt like a bereavement. I knew it was coming. I was prepared, I knew it would hurt, and it was huge. So, that's why I'm glad to be here and talk about it. Thank you. Q: Does Malfoy owe Harry a debt?
JKR: That's a great question and a lot of people wanted to know that. When Dumbledore said to Harry, Voldemort won't want a close associate who is in your debt, I wasn't implying by that there was any kind of magical bond there. It was more that Dumbldore's extensive wisdom and knowledge of human nature, he knew as Harry later thinks in book seven, he knew that Pettigrew would react a certain way to having saved his life. ... He's weak, fundamentally weak. Pettigrew is a very weak character. He's not someone I like at all. He's a weak person and he likes to gravitate to people who are stronger. Dumbledore is right. Pettigrew had an impulsive mercy... would Malfoy be in Harry's debt? I think the very worst burden Harry could have put Malfoy under was this one, that Malfoy has to feel any kind of gratitude. So I tried to show that slightly in the epilogue when they look slightly at each other and there's a, "Hi. It's so embarrassing, you saved my life. No one will ever let me forget it." I think, does he owe him a debt, probably not. I think Malfoy would go back to being an improved version of what he was but we shouldn't expect him to be a really great guy any time soon. Q: Harry often wondered about his parents lives before he died. What did Lily, James, Remus, Lupin and Sirius do after Hogwarts?
JKR: To take Remus first, Remus was unemployable. Poor Lupin, prior to Dumbledore taking him in, lead a really impoverished life because no one wanted to employ a werewolf. The other three were full-time members of the Order of the Phoenix. If you remember when Lily, James and co. were at school, the first war was raging. It never reached the heights that the second war reached, because the Ministry was never infiltrated to that extend but it was a very bad time, the same disappearances, the same deaths. So that's what they did, they left school. James has gold, enough to support Sirius and Lily. So I suppose they lived off a private income. But they were full-time fighters, that's what they did, until Lily fell pregnant with Harry. So then they went into hiding. Q: Did Hagrid ever get married and have children?
[Aww from crowd] JKR: Oh, did Hagrid ever get married and have children? No. [awwws again] I may change that immediately due to the look on your face. Yes! He had 22! - No, no, Hagrid never did marry and have children. I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. Oh I feel terrible now. I'll write another book! [Ovation] Realistically, Hagrid's pool of potential girlfriends is extremely limited. Because with the giants killing each other off, the number of giantesses around is infinitesimal and he met one of the only, and I'm afraid, she thought he was kind of cute, but she was a little more, how should I put it, sophisticated than Hagrid. So no, bless him. [Awws] I kept him alive, come on! [Applause.] Q: Is Severus Snape's portrait in the headmaster's office?
JKR: Some have been asking why hasn't the portrait appeared immediately. It doesn't. The reason is that the perception in the castle itself and everyone who was in the castle, because Snape kept his secret so well was that he abandoned his post. So all the portraits you see in the headmaster's study are all headmasters and mistresses who died, it's like British royals. You only get good press if you die in office. Abdication is not acceptable, particularly if you marry an American. I'm kidding! [laughter] I digress. I know, because I thought this one through, because it was very important to me, I know Harry would have insisted that Snape's portrait was on that wall, right beside Dumbledore's. [Applause.]
As for whether Harry would go back to talk to him, I think, I'm not sure he would have done. Snape, I was really [?] the week after I finished the book. And I went to a chat room - not a chat room, what am I talking about? [laughter] I never go in chat rooms. I went onto a fan site because I was looking for questions to put up on my Web site, which is sometimes difficult. And I was so heartened to see that people on the message boards that people were still arguing about Snape. The book was out, and they were still arguing whether Snape was a good guy. But that was really wonderful to me, because there's a question there, was Snape a good guy or not? In many ways he really wasn't. So I haven't been deliberately misleading everyone all this time, when I say that he's a good guy. Because even though he did love and he loved very deeply and he was very brave, both qualities that I admire above anything else. He was bitter and he was vindictive... but right at the very very end, he did, as your question acknowledges, acheive a kind of peace together and I tried to show that in the epilogue.
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Awesome. I appreciate anything that she says about what happens to the Harry Potter Characters. It would have been good to hear more about Malfoy.
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HaHa Good on Dumbledore! I don't think i'll even risk going to see the fanfictions. XD
Although i'm still a fan in mourning. OK, there's a good reason to kill off Remus and Tonks but if she loved them so much why do it? I love Tonks to bits and to be honest. I want to know exactly what happend at her death! And Remus'!.....More Tonks. haha
I liked the question about Molly and Bellatrix. But am I not the only one who thought that Tonks would be the one to kill Bellatrix? I mean, Bellatrix is her aunt, she has good reasons.
Plus, I want to know who killed Ted Tonks.
But still, great interview
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Wow! Hehe Dumbledore's gay!
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I'd just read about Dumbledore being gay in the newspaper.
At first I was like omg, but then I thought, 'that figures'.
And Neville and Hannah? Sweet, lol
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Neville & Hannah? But what about Luna? *Pouts*
Ahh well. They obviously make a great couple. *Still ships Neville and luna*
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I always thought that Dumbledore was a little odd. I never would've thought that he was gay!
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^^Grindledore!! 
(I commented on the DD news above)
As for the similarities between Voldemort's (and Grindelwald's) regime and the Nazis: Of course that was deliberate! It was way too obvious and predictable!
(but then the books are for children who might not yet have heard much about that history stuff)
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| The bit about Dumbledore is very unexpected.. though it's great, too!! I wish Jo would've put it in the books, though. Just a little mention of it. |
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I, myself, am totally disappointed in the DD news. While I am all for gay pride in the real world...I think this is irresponsible of JK. If she wanted one of her characters to be gay, she should have made it known in the beginning. Instead, she waited till AFTER the series, in hindsight to announce this VERY important news. She waited till she made her millions. Had, she outed him in the beginning, I don't think there would have been as many parents that were ok with the books. Mark my words, that the revenue for the next two movies will not live up to the others in regards to cash take. I think DD being gay isn't relevant to the plot and she should have just continued to let people speculate in the fandom arena. That would have been the smart thing to do. I for one, never "saw" any gay tendiencies. As a headmaster, it was the "wise and proper" thing to do to NOT discuss his love life with his students...JK Rowling has really disappointed this fan.
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Hayleen Rolf Fourth Year | wow! that was some news...its really jaw-dropping! my goodnesS! especially, the fact about dumbledore? its crazy! really really crazy! (btw, i mean that in a good way) awesome! a really great interview, and JK Rowling was hilarious! i was like laughing my head off the whole time!..awesome! im so full of praises that i cant even write the whole thing down! hehe. keep it up! btw, i like the idea of a book about hagrid!! haha
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Kaitlynn Hopsisk Second Year | Hope is the only thing stronger than fear. I heard about that whole Dumbledore gay thing on good morning america this morning.I was so schoked yet felt that there was somethong shady about him.As for Neville's wife a little schoking i thought hed marry Luna.
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Luna and Neville forever, though. *Sniff* I don't care what she says No matter how funny she says it! And she's a really entertaining interview subject. I love her to bits!
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Aww Neville gets with Hannah. I thought that it would be Luna, who does she get with??
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Originally Posted by luvtheweasleys I, myself, am totally disappointed in the DD news. While I am all for gay pride in the real world...I think this is irresponsible of JK. If she wanted one of her characters to be gay, she should have made it known in the beginning. Instead, she waited till AFTER the series, in hindsight to announce this VERY important news. She waited till she made her millions. Had, she outed him in the beginning, I don't think there would have been as many parents that were ok with the books. Mark my words, that the revenue for the next two movies will not live up to the others in regards to cash take. I think DD being gay isn't relevant to the plot and she should have just continued to let people speculate in the fandom arena. That would have been the smart thing to do. I for one, never "saw" any gay tendiencies. As a headmaster, it was the "wise and proper" thing to do to NOT discuss his love life with his students...JK Rowling has really disappointed this fan. I agree. I think if she really wanted to be true to that part of his character, she would have made it known. It doesn't do much good now to say it after the fact, in my opinion. I think she did want to show that being gay wasn't the biggest thing about Dumbledore, which is so great, but if it was important, she should have had it in the books. That's how I feel anyway. Quote:
Originally Posted by OtterySt.Catchpole Logic does not compute :smash: Isn't that a complete 180, If you're dealing with a moral issue you're making a statement. Arguably if you write anything you are making a statement ... And you can't not write a statement if you're writing because whatever you believe in will always be a statement in your writing ... be it character or action or a part of the plot ... You can't write and not make a statement. Go read the Golden Compass ... it's heretical, only it's not. I just like the armoured bears ... grrr. The thing is, though, Otts is that she didn't put it in writing. That's my point. To say it after the fact is, in my opinion, making it look like she said he's gay for the sake of saying he's gay. While I think it's great that she's tackling something else in the category of intolerance and acceptance, I believe it would have been better for that message had she included it in the plot rather than admit it after the fact. No need to throw computers at me.
Before anyone makes the point, I do realize that had she put it in the actual books, it would have risen more objection to the books, sure. But, had she really wanted it to be relevant, I think she should have included it to make it more truthful. That's all.
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Originally Posted by r+h4ever1 The thing is, though, Otts is that she didn't put it in writing. That's my point. To say it after the fact is, in my opinion, making it look like she said he's gay for the sake of saying he's gay. While I think it's great that she's tackling something else in the category of intolerance and acceptance, I believe it would have been better for that message had she included it in the plot rather than admit it after the fact. No need to throw computers at me.
Before anyone makes the point, I do realize that had she put it in the actual books, it would have risen more objection to the books, sure. But, had she really wanted it to be relevant, I think she should have included it to make it more truthful. That's all.
Shannon  I agree with you Shannon. It would have been better if it were actually written in the books-- but I don't think she said for the sake of saying it. It makes a lot of sense that he was gay. I mean... no wife, no children... never even any mention of them... And of course had she written it, a lot of people would have been like 'NO! Harry Potter is EVIL!' Because people kind of suck sometimes and are too closed minded and unaccepting. Which is ironic since that's the exact thing this book is about and trying to teach people not to be. Uh-oh. One of my posts was deleted. I'm sorry. Now I feel bad. I must have said something I should have...I wonder what though? Bad Aria! Bad! Sorry SS mods! -grovels- |
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It doesn't make sense...DD's life was devoted to Hogwarts and the children there....that doesn't classify him as gay....There are many people out there that devote their lives to their work and that doesn't make them gay....You know, single teacher, has a classroom of kids every day...no love life..are we to presume that teacher is gay?? No, we don't. Should it have been needed, and if she felt SO strongly about it when writing Chamber of Secrets, she should have made reference to it then...We could have ALL gotten used to it and accepted it from the beginning and in the END, it would not have mattered. But....she waited till the END...and now we are all left speculating...oh, what was DD really doing, what was DD really thinking..etc etc...see, she gained nothing by outing him...nothing...but she lost my respect...if he was gay, and she wanted him gay, then stand UP and be proud from the beginning, not raise your hand at the end with a hmm hmm, "Uh, DD is really gay..."....That is so bogus.
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I agree Ginny, but I take it one step further ...she ruined my most beloved book for me.
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Originally Posted by r+h4ever1 I agree. I think if she really wanted to be true to that part of his character, she would have made it known. It doesn't do much good now to say it after the fact, in my opinion. I think she did want to show that being gay wasn't the biggest thing about Dumbledore, which is so great, but if it was important, she should have had it in the books. That's how I feel anyway.
How is Dumbledore's sexuality integral to the plot, anymore than Neville being with Hannah? Though I have to agree that it would have been better to have had it written in the book (it just adds shade to the character) it's nice to have a gay character portrayed so positively in books ... God knows television isn't doing a very good job of it.
"I hope we can live up to your stereotypes," gay couple on Desperate Housewives after Terri Hatcher says, "I watch cable."
When I first read your earlier statement it seemed to me you were more likely to be offended by the possibility that Jo would make a character gay after the fact to make a political statement than anything you've just said. But who would know a character more intimately than the writer? And what's more, just because Neville has a tattoo of Hermione on his back and he's a biker on the weekends and Jo knows this doesn't mean she has to put it in the book but it doesn't make it any less nice to know ... I don't see you complaining about the N/H revelation. The way some shippers feel about finding out about characters ultimate ships, some people like to know about Dumbledore being gay. And I would never throw a computer at you Shannon ... I thought you knew me better ... *Teddy suggests using a television* O: It isn't that bad, besides I like Grey's Anatomy. Quote:
Originally Posted by r+h4ever1 The thing is, though, Otts is that she didn't put it in writing. That's my point. To say it after the fact is, in my opinion, making it look like she said he's gay for the sake of saying he's gay. While I think it's great that she's tackling something else in the category of intolerance and acceptance, I believe it would have been better for that message had she included it in the plot rather than admit it after the fact. No need to throw computers at me.
Before anyone makes the point, I do realize that had she put it in the actual books, it would have risen more objection to the books, sure. But, had she really wanted it to be relevant, I think she should have included it to make it more truthful. That's all.
Shannon  Who said literature had to be relevant? I think you're just offended Dumbledore's gay and that's perfectly all right, you're a tolerant person, which is somewhat condescending when you're being tolerated but ... I tolerate children and republicans as well as capitalists so let's all just learn to tolerate each other instead of learning to accept differences. That was Jo's message. No wait a minute ... *takes out the books again*
That was sarcasm by the way Shannon, I'm starting to get the hang of it I think. I can see why its so popular with the kiddies ... 
She's revealing a part of the character. Someone asked about his love life, and she answered truthfully. Dumbledore is gay. Sorry he didn't hit on Hagrid to make that a more obvious point in the books but ... I doubt Jo would be saying this just to be chic or contemporary. If that were the case Hermione would have been a lesbian. It's just who his character was. How many 120 year old people do you know who go on dates? I'm 101 so ... besides I'm not dating. I just got out of a relationship ... 
I would have loved Jo to have made it obvious Dumbledore was gay in the books, Eeri and just about everyone else here seems to have caught it in those bits with Grindelwald ... funniest thing I thought the same thing when I read them but I've been reading gay couples throughout the books for years I thought it was just my bias again Love's funny.
I think you might be offended because some people might read criticisms of certain regimes into her comments about the Ministry of Magic ... regimes presently in power ... and while you might agree or not with her views she did it it's canon and I respect her enough (even if I don't agree with all her views) to know that she wouldn't just say it to make a political statement. If she'd wanted too she could have donated money to any of a hundred different gay organizations which she always does with charity and no one finds offensive, even though it offends the governments of certain countries ... Here's a test, if you love Dumbledore less now because he's gay ...
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Originally Posted by Eeri I agree with you Shannon. It would have been better if it were actually written in the books-- but I don't think she said for the sake of saying it. It makes a lot of sense that he was gay. I mean... no wife, no children... never even any mention of them...
And of course had she written it, a lot of people would have been like 'NO! Harry Potter is EVIL!' Because people kind of suck sometimes and are too closed minded and unaccepting. Which is ironic since that's the exact thing this book is about and trying to teach people not to be.
Uh-oh. One of my posts was deleted. I'm sorry. Now I feel bad. I must have said something I should have...I wonder what though?
I agree with Everyone, it should have been in the books, I totally saw it coming but I was shocked to find out Dumbledore was gay *see previous reply* and I totally ship N/L. Harry Potter is evil ... don't you go to church Eeri? I mean you should be more accepting of close minded people Eeri. I am. I tolerate them ...
I don't think you said anything wrong Eeri. What did you say? Probably something like ... 'if Dumbledore's gay then who knows who else.' See you can't say things like that since they're not canon. Out of thousands of characters only one can be gay. Really you don't think any of them could possibly be in the closet could you? But that would be too real, and like I always said Harry Potter are children's books ...
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Originally Posted by luvtheweasleys I, myself, am totally disappointed in the DD news. While I am all for gay pride in the real world...I think this is irresponsible of JK. If she wanted one of her characters to be gay, she should have made it known in the beginning. Instead, she waited till AFTER the series, in hindsight to announce this VERY important news. She waited till she made her millions. Had, she outed him in the beginning, I don't think there would have been as many parents that were ok with the books. Mark my words, that the revenue for the next two movies will not live up to the others in regards to cash take. I think DD being gay isn't relevant to the plot and she should have just continued to let people speculate in the fandom arena. That would have been the smart thing to do. I for one, never "saw" any gay tendiencies. As a headmaster, it was the "wise and proper" thing to do to NOT discuss his love life with his students...JK Rowling has really disappointed this fan. *Jumps up and down screaming* EXACTLY! I could not have POSSIBLY put the sentiment into better words than that. From what I've read on other message boards, and I'm being completely honest here, the majority os posts I've read do tend to lean towards the "what the heck was the point of her even going there?" side. And they all say the exact same thing, which is, if she was going to make Dumbledore gay, she should've said so in the books! Too much information can ruin a character for some people. I think by her coming out and saying that, she takes away SO MUCH of the mysteries that still surrounded Dumbledore, and IMHO, yes, she did ruin things by being so blatant about it. There are some things much better left in the realm of imagination. Quote:
Originally Posted by r+h4ever1 I agree. I think if she really wanted to be true to that part of his character, she would have made it known. It doesn't do much good now to say it after the fact, in my opinion. I think she did want to show that being gay wasn't the biggest thing about Dumbledore, which is so great, but if it was important, she should have had it in the books. That's how I feel anyway.
Before anyone makes the point, I do realize that had she put it in the actual books, it would have risen more objection to the books, sure. But, had she really wanted it to be relevant, I think she should have included it to make it more truthful. That's all.
Shannon  Amen. I actually think it was a bad PR move on her part as well. She already has the Witch-hunters after her to get the books banned, do you have any IDEA what this is going to do? How much she's fanned the flames? I remember when on Buffy, Willow discovered her sexuality, the hate mail that Joss Whedon, Amber Benson & Alyson Hannigan got was astronomical. I think it's a good thing Howlers don't exist in the real world, b/c I get the feeling she'd get a lot.
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10-21-2007, 09:33 PM
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Honestly, I would have liked to see it in the books. But as a fellow (though unpublished) author, I can see why she didn't. I mean, answering an honest question after the books were written is better than throwing it in there just so that it was in there. I've gone through the books several times in my head, and there really was just no room for it. If it was lazily thrown in there, just to be in there, then it wouldn't have a real impact at all. It would have been like saying "hey, this character is gay just so that I have a gay character." But she didn't do that. What was done was tactful, tasteful, and drove the plot perfectly.
Honestly, if I could find a place in those books that I could have inserted it, and tastefully, with good impact, I would probably be complaining too. And if you think you're a better author than JK, go ahead and try it. Find a place where the impact of it wouldn't be drowned out by tastelessness. But I personally could not find one, and so I'm satisfied with the way things were written. Quote: I would have loved Jo to have made it obvious Dumbledore was gay in the books, Eeri and just about everyone else here seems to have caught it in those bits with Grindelwald ... funniest thing I thought the same thing when I read them but I've been reading gay couples throughout the books for years I thought it was just my bias again Love's funny. Yeah, I thought the same thing. "Nah... I'm just reading it that way because that's how I want to read it." lol
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