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Originally Posted by r+h4ever1  I agree. I think if she really wanted to be true to that part of his character, she would have made it known. It doesn't do much good now to say it after the fact, in my opinion. I think she did want to show that being gay wasn't the biggest thing about Dumbledore, which is so great, but if it was important, she should have had it in the books. That's how I feel anyway.
How is Dumbledore's sexuality integral to the plot, anymore than Neville being with Hannah? Though I have to agree that it would have been better to have had it written in the book (it just adds shade to the character) it's nice to have a gay character portrayed so positively in books ... God knows television isn't doing a very good job of it.
"I hope we can live up to your stereotypes," gay couple on Desperate Housewives after Terri Hatcher says, "I watch cable."
When I first read your earlier statement it seemed to me you were more likely to be offended by the possibility that Jo would make a character gay after the fact to make a political statement than anything you've just said. But who would know a character more intimately than the writer? And what's more, just because Neville has a tattoo of Hermione on his back and he's a biker on the weekends and Jo knows this doesn't mean she has to put it in the book but it doesn't make it any less nice to know ... I don't see you complaining about the N/H revelation. The way some shippers feel about finding out about characters ultimate ships, some people like to know about Dumbledore being gay.
 And I would never throw a computer at you Shannon ... I thought you knew me better ... *Teddy suggests using a television* O: It isn't that bad, besides I like Grey's Anatomy.
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Originally Posted by r+h4ever1 The thing is, though, Otts is that she didn't put it in writing. That's my point. To say it after the fact is, in my opinion, making it look like she said he's gay for the sake of saying he's gay. While I think it's great that she's tackling something else in the category of intolerance and acceptance, I believe it would have been better for that message had she included it in the plot rather than admit it after the fact. No need to throw computers at me. 
Before anyone makes the point, I do realize that had she put it in the actual books, it would have risen more objection to the books, sure. But, had she really wanted it to be relevant, I think she should have included it to make it more truthful. That's all.
Shannon  Who said literature had to be relevant? I think you're just offended Dumbledore's gay and that's perfectly all right, you're a tolerant person, which is somewhat condescending when you're being tolerated but ... I tolerate children and republicans as well as capitalists so  let's all just learn to tolerate each other instead of learning to accept differences. That was Jo's message.   No wait a minute ... *takes out the books again*
That was sarcasm by the way Shannon, I'm starting to get the hang of it I think. I can see why its so popular with the kiddies ...
She's revealing a part of the character. Someone asked about his love life, and she answered truthfully. Dumbledore is gay. Sorry he didn't hit on Hagrid to make that a more obvious point in the books but ... I doubt Jo would be saying this just to be chic or contemporary. If that were the case Hermione would have been a lesbian. It's just who his character was. How many 120 year old people do you know who go on dates? I'm 101 so ... besides I'm not dating. I just got out of a relationship ... 
I would have loved Jo to have made it obvious Dumbledore was gay in the books, Eeri and just about everyone else here seems to have caught it in those bits with Grindelwald ... funniest thing I thought the same thing when I read them but  I've been reading gay couples throughout the books for years I thought it was just my bias again  Love's funny.
I think you might be offended because some people might read criticisms of certain regimes into her comments about the Ministry of Magic ... regimes presently in power ... and while you might agree or not with her views she did it it's canon and I respect her enough (even if I don't agree with all her views) to know that she wouldn't just say it to make a political statement. If she'd wanted too she could have donated money to any of a hundred different gay organizations which she always does with charity and no one finds offensive, even though it offends the governments of certain countries ...
Here's a test, if you love Dumbledore less now because he's gay ...
Seriously Shannon I would never throw a computer at you. I thought you knew me better ... Quote:
Originally Posted by Eeri I agree with you Shannon. It would have been better if it were actually written in the books-- but I don't think she said for the sake of saying it. It makes a lot of sense that he was gay. I mean... no wife, no children... never even any mention of them...
And of course had she written it, a lot of people would have been like 'NO! Harry Potter is EVIL!' Because people kind of suck sometimes and are too closed minded and unaccepting. Which is ironic since that's the exact thing this book is about and trying to teach people not to be.
Uh-oh. One of my posts was deleted. I'm sorry. Now I feel bad. I must have said something I should have...I wonder what though?
I agree with Everyone, it should have been in the books, I totally saw it coming but I was shocked to find out Dumbledore was gay *see previous reply* and I totally ship N/L.
Harry Potter is evil ... don't you go to church Eeri? I mean you should be more accepting of close minded people Eeri. I am. I tolerate them ...
I don't think you said anything wrong Eeri. What did you say? Probably something like ... 'if Dumbledore's gay then who knows who else.' See you can't say things like that since they're not canon. Out of thousands of characters only one can be gay. Really you don't think any of them could possibly be in the closet could you?  But that would be too real, and like I always said Harry Potter are children's books ...
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