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07-20-2007, 02:26 AM
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Was it all you hoped it would be? Too much? Not enough? I know we're all going to have opinions on this, so go ahead and share yours.
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08-03-2007, 06:40 AM
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Just want to ask. Who could be the new Headmaster/mistress after Snape?
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08-03-2007, 10:15 AM
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Just want to ask. Who could be the new Headmaster/mistress after Snape
The new headmistress is McGonagall. =D
I liked epilouge very much. The fact that the world is a better place to live, where there can be love and happiness, made me feel a lot better.
I liked that Harry and Ginny named one of their children Albus. It shows the respect Harry had for Dumbledore.
I liked that Ron hasn't changed and that he married Hermione, of course. They belong together.
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08-03-2007, 11:49 AM
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I don't really know how I feel about it.
I just think that there isn't enough information.
What about the rest of the Weasleys?
Luna?
All the Death Eaters?
But I liked how everybody was happy (I mean they deserve it!), that they were still really close friends.
And I just loved the last line.
I cried.
(not because "all was well" but the fact that the harry potter series is now finnished... bouhou)
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08-03-2007, 12:03 PM
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What about the rest of the Weasleys?
Luna?
All the Death Eaters?
JK Rowling answered all these questions.
I know Luna is a naturalist, she is travelling around the world, searching for all the creatures and plants her dad was talking about.
George and Ron are working in Weasleys Wizard Wheezes and they make a lot of money.
Ginny played Quidditch, but she left the team (I don't know, how it was called).
But, I don't know about the Death Eaters. Some of them escaped, some were prisoned...I dunno.
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08-03-2007, 02:06 PM
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| Of all the fallacies that the epilogue held, what bothered me the most was that it portrayed this false sense of utopia in the wizarding world. All is never well and what I've always understood about the Harry Potter series was that Rowling always made sure that it was steeped in reality, that it portrayed how the world really worked. Nothing is all ever well. Nothing and to imply this false notion that with the death of Voldemort all evil has been striken from the world is an idealic sense of false security. Sure, they may be in a time of peace but nothing is ever as placid as that ending made it out to be. I know she didn't want to leave it open for more books but even Sirius said in the fifth movie that we all have both light and dark inside of us and with Dumbledore's reinforced statement that it's our choices that define us, the epilogue can lead one to think that everyone always makes "right" choices, that no one is bad anymore, that evil is gone. It's an extreme departure from the rest of the series. You can have normalcy but the truth of the matter is evil never dies. |
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08-03-2007, 02:38 PM
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Who could be the new Headmaster/mistress after Snape?
Not McGonagall; Jo said she's getting on a bit. Probably someone new - she didn't specify who in her interviews which implies to me that it's no-one we know. Quote:
What about the rest of the Weasleys?
Luna?
All the Death Eaters?
George carried on with the shop, with the help of Ron (who later became an auror), and named his first son after Fred. Luna became a naturalist, searching for new species, and ended up marrying Rolf Scamander (a descendent of Newt). I imagine the Death Eaters were put back in Azkaban. Quote:
Ginny played Quidditch, but she left the team (I don't know, how it was called).
Holyhead Harpies. She left to have kids (I imagine it's impossible to fly on a broom whilst pregnant!) and then became a sports correspondent for the Daily Prophet. Quote:
You can have normalcy but the truth of the matter is evil never dies.
That's very true, but it was only a snapshot of one incident that we saw, which we can't take to reflective of the wizarding world at large. Of course there will always be those who use magic wrongfully -- hence why the Auror department is still in business!
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08-03-2007, 07:09 PM
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George carried on with the shop, with the help of Ron (who later became an auror),
That confused me a lot cause in NBC interview or some thing she said Ron and Harry both will be aurrors then in the web chat she said that Ron will work with George in the shop. So I got confused but why she didn't say that both in one answer..I mean, why she didn't say that in web chat ( Ron working in the shop and becoming an aurror )
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08-04-2007, 01:19 AM
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I really thought it was too vague. And I really wanted to see what had changed with the wizarding world and the weasley's and I just thought having only explained Harry/Ginny with kids plus Teddy the grandson and Ron/Hermione plus kids and Draco/Unknown plus kid was just not enough for an epilogue. And i wanted to see what jobs the trio got. Seeing as Voldemort's gone, would there still be a need for Aurors?
But I loved the rest of the book.
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08-04-2007, 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Ginpotter That confused me a lot cause in NBC interview or some thing she said Ron and Harry both will be aurrors then in the web chat she said that Ron will work with George in the shop. So I got confused but why she didn't say that both in one answer..I mean, why she didn't say that in web chat ( Ron working in the shop and becoming an aurror ) I don't know why but it doesn't take a great amount of imagination to imagine him doing both, especially since Fred & George were supplying the Ministry in Half-Blood Prince. Quote:
And i wanted to see what jobs the trio got. Seeing as Voldemort's gone, would there still be a need for Aurors?
Of course - just because you rid the world of one dictator, doesn't mean the threat vanishes entirely. As long as there is magic, there will be those who mis-use it.
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08-04-2007, 04:28 AM
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I loved it! I thought it was such a cute ending! I know a lot of people think it was too cutesy or cheesy, but I think you needed it after that vigorous battle! Wow! Albus Serverus is a funny name, but it is nonetheless cute.  I did however want to know what happened beyond that point to everyone. Like everyone's professions. But, then again, I think Jo wants us to use our imagination and make some predictions. I think she left it up to us.
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08-04-2007, 06:24 AM
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Jas Emily Evans | to be honest, i think that i was fine with the epliogue. it wasnt too much but it wasnt too little
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08-04-2007, 11:43 PM
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Chloe Fireclaw Graduated | i loved the epilouge, i thought it was cool how Harry and Ginny named their one son Albus Severus!, and of course we all knew that his parents names would fall into it somewhere, although the last line about how his scar hadn't hurt since was kinda fairy talish to me. i laughed when James was going on about Teddy and Victoire, and once i knew who she was, it kinda fell into place, cuz her name sounds french, over all i loved it, i think i've read 5 times. but i also think it could've been longer, it was only 4 pages, i thought it would be longer than that.
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08-05-2007, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SlytherinSissa Of all the fallacies that the epilogue held, what bothered me the most was that it portrayed this false sense of utopia in the wizarding world. All is never well and what I've always understood about the Harry Potter series was that Rowling always made sure that it was steeped in reality, that it portrayed how the world really worked. Nothing is all ever well. Nothing and to imply this false notion that with the death of Voldemort all evil has been striken from the world is an idealic sense of false security. Sure, they may be in a time of peace but nothing is ever as placid as that ending made it out to be. I know she didn't want to leave it open for more books but even Sirius said in the fifth movie that we all have both light and dark inside of us and with Dumbledore's reinforced statement that it's our choices that define us, the epilogue can lead one to think that everyone always makes "right" choices, that no one is bad anymore, that evil is gone. It's an extreme departure from the rest of the series. You can have normalcy but the truth of the matter is evil never dies. Great post, I agree with you completely.
I really liked how the characters developped in the latter books. No one was completely good, and no one was utterly bad; even the positive characters had their flaws. And vice versa. Snape's inability to judge others objectively caused many troubles. The way Sirius treated Kreacher basically cost him his life. ...and Narcissa's final choice.
It was really great to watch how characters grew together with Harry's changing view. I think it was very clever, from stupid Quirell vs. flawless Dumbledore to very colourful characters, because even though it's written in the third person, a lot of it is shown mostly from Harry's point of view. The epilogue was a step back at best.
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08-05-2007, 05:28 PM
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I have to disagree with both of you, SltherinSissa and Black Bella, although you do have a point. I agree that JKR has always done a great job of portraying the human spirit - both good and bad.
True enough, the epilogue was a little cheesy. It was happily-ever-after. But I don't believe that when JKR wrote "all was well" she meant in the entire wizarding world. The line before made reference to the fact that Harry's scar had not hurt in nineteen years. Also, he was there with his wife, children, and best friends. I believe this line was supposed to deliver Harry's feelings that "all was well" with him.
Think about it, until Voldemort's defeat, Harry never had a break from hardship. He was always between living with relatives that hated him and living in a world with a dark wizard tyring to kill him. But now that the Dursley's are gone and Voldemort is dead, Harry can really have a life and just be happy and worry-free. Does it mean that the whole world is good? No. In fact, JKR stated that Harry and Ron's jobs were in the auror deparments. Which goes to show that there is still evil in the world. If there wasn't, why have an auror department at all?
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08-05-2007, 07:39 PM
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I completely agree with Beater0......of course there will still be evil in the wizarding world. There could possibly still be Death Eaters that have escaped being jailed in Azkaban and that want to try to rise to power and continue the type of reign that Voldemort started. Of course, we didn't get all those kind of details but sure JKR wanted to leave some of that to our own imaginations.
I have only ever read each of the books in the series once so far, and after reading the DH epilogue I loved it. So yes, I did kind of miss some of the parentage of the other non-trio children because I was so excited to just finish the book and take it all in. I felt exactly how Daniel Radcliffe himself said in his interview, that I didn't quite know what to do when I had finished reading. It was sad for me cuz it was like the end of an era. So I guess that will give me a reason to go back and reread the series just like so many of you guys have.
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08-05-2007, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Beater0 I have to disagree with both of you, [B]
I believe this line was supposed to deliver Harry's feelings that "all was well" with him. Certainly, I agree. I already said in my previous post that I think that through the whole series, we can see things filtered through Harry's changing attitude. the portrayal of character as well as the general atmosphere changes as Harry grows up (and as the readers have been growing up together with him). I can see your point, nevertheless, I'm going to advocate what I said earlier - that it seemed to me like a step back. I just think that Harry's character reached the stage where this utterly happy, positive attitude just isn't possible. That's of course just my opinion. Yeah, he can be happy...and finally reconciled with the fact that those who left cannot be brought back. But it's hard for me to believe that someone who experienced so many bad things (not to mention that all of it happened when he was still a child/teenager, which is very important) would be worry-free, simply because he does know that the world is not good. It flattens his character back to a fairy-tale level, which I think is a pity.
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08-06-2007, 01:15 AM
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I actually loved it. Although, i think it would be better if JK put the things that she wanted to. It might have made it better. I was suprised that people thought it was bad.
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08-06-2007, 01:31 AM
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I despised the epilogue. It was cheesy, over the top, and not even well written; nor does it fit with the rest of the book. I suppose it was intended to show closure in that Harry finally had what he longed for most: a family. However, I think it was unecessary and too perfect. If their was anything we learned from the first six and 19/20ths books of the Harry Potter series, its that nothing is wholly perfect of entirely bad and this epilogue destroyed that valuable theme.
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08-06-2007, 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Godric Potter I despised the epilogue. It was cheesy, over the top, and not even well written; nor does it fit with the rest of the book. I suppose it was intended to show closure in that Harry finally had what he longed for most: a family. However, I think it was unecessary and too perfect. If their was anything we learned from the first six and 19/20ths books of the Harry Potter series, its that nothing is wholly perfect of entirely bad and this epilogue destroyed that valuable theme. but thats what book 7 was about...to end the bad things, and end it on a good note. And she did. She showed that he was finally able to live in peace. And thats what we wanted. But i must say that the reason you may say its cheesy is because she wrote that before she finished book 1.
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08-06-2007, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by skinny_bones4 I was suprised that people thought it was bad. You know, I could say the same thing, that I'm surprised that people think it is good. It's probably a matter of everyone's personal taste and expectations. However, I must agree with Godric Potter that it's not very well written.
She wrote that even before finishing the first book?...now it makes sense.
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Sure there were a lot of things going on at once but it all came together and it made a lot of since. I would have to say it was better than I expected it and it was also very shocking. This was the main book that actually made me cry cry...that is how sad it was...but it was just the best.
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Originally Posted by Godric Potter I despised the epilogue. It was cheesy, over the top, and not even well written; nor does it fit with the rest of the book. I suppose it was intended to show closure in that Harry finally had what he longed for most: a family. However, I think it was unecessary and too perfect. If their was anything we learned from the first six and 19/20ths books of the Harry Potter series, its that nothing is wholly perfect of entirely bad and this epilogue destroyed that valuable theme. You are right on this one, it was a little to perfect.
But living up in a life just like Harry's and all the adventures, near death experiences that he had been on, of course Harry would want a perfect ending and a perfect life after that. That could be one of the reasons why J.K. Rowling had written it that way. As for Harry, he would want for his children to be safe and not grow up like how he did.
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Call me a nihilist, but honestly, I think that Rowling writes death, and the emotions that follow the death of a loved one, much better than she writes everything else. Because of this, I think that Rowling should have had Harry die and the epilogue be at a rememberance of Harry twenty years down the road or something. I'm positive Rowling would have had every single reader in tears by the end of that due to her skill at writing the emotions of grief and sorrow. Of course, she then would have had to change a lot of the book, obviously. However, I think this would have made the book even better.
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I thought the epilogue was good. When I first read the epilogue, I thought it was a little too happy, but when I thought about it, after all the things Harry's been through, it was good that the book ended the way it did.
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Originally Posted by Godric Potter I despised the epilogue. It was cheesy, over the top, and not even well written; nor does it fit with the rest of the book. I suppose it was intended to show closure in that Harry finally had what he longed for most: a family. However, I think it was unecessary and too perfect. If their was anything we learned from the first six and 19/20ths books of the Harry Potter series, its that nothing is wholly perfect of entirely bad and this epilogue destroyed that valuable theme. I agree 110% The ending would have been perfect if it was left as the last sentence of the last chapter: Quote: "I've had enough trouble for a lifetime." The epilogue was cheesy and un-needed. We did not get any additional info other than that the trio had kids and that Hogwarts was still open. It was a shipper's and fan-fic writers delight.
I know JKR said it wasn't humanly possible to tie up all the loose ends or answer all the questions that were left. And that is fine - that is where an encyclopedia will finish that job when/if she write it.
But the epilouge brought nothing to the story. It wasn't needed. The book would be complete without it and it feels like it just doesn't belong with the book nor the rest of the series.
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