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Old 08-07-2007, 03:55 PM
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Post DH is just like a part of the Bible? (spoilers!)(UPDATED!)

The Harry Potter novels have ranked higher in best seller lists than the Bible ... but is it true that Deathly Hallows is almost identical to Matthew 6? Oddly enough, Christianity Today thinks they're pretty similiar.

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Dumbledore's sister died her grave read this: "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." Matthew 6, a book and verse from the bible, says the same thing. ""Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."


Also, the following is mentioned, too. "No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other."

The article can, once again, relate this back to Dumbledore.

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The circumstances surrounding the death of his sister help us understand. Dumbledore's greed (though cloaked with good intentions) for the most powerful of earthly treasures, the Deathly Hallows, ultimately led to his sister's death. Suffice it to say that Dumbledore's sister Ariana was one of the most tragic characters in the whole Harry Potter series. Her life was one of immeasurable hurt. And her need was the most basic need of those who are in pain. She needed love. Sacrificial love. Dumbledore failed her. He was incapable of fulfilling his duties to care for her while pursuing his ambitions for power. His failure which led to his sister's death helped Dumbledore to comprehend one of the other truths of Matthew 6, "No one can serve two masters" (Matthew 6:24). The pursuit of possessions of power, even for benevolent reasons, can ultimately only lead to death and ruin. As he puts it in his own words, Dumbledore understood that he, the most powerful wizard of his day, "Was not to be trusted with power."


So which is it? Coincidence, chance, or intended? Did JK Rowling read these verses and decide that they had a good bit of truth to them?

Personally, I think it's quite awesome. Dumbledore was a wise man, and he learned from the things that I'm assuming he read.

Thanks to SSer jrtpuplvr for the tip!

UPDATE: Going along with Matthew 6...

Shannon just went to Mass this morning. Their Gospel reading was John 12; 32-48.

This is a direct quote from the Bible:
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For where your treasure is, there also will your heart be.
It, like Matthew 6, was in John 12. Reoccuring theme, anyone?
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Thats neat. However their is an error in the above post. It says that it was written on Dumbledore's grave and uses the word 'his' when it should have said it was written on Ariana Dumbledore's grave and seeing as she is a female, it should say 'her'.

They defantly bare minory similarities though.
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Old 08-07-2007, 04:05 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I don't really understand it but I'm sure Jo put it in on purpose. She's very clever and knows this sort of stuff and uses a lot of symbolism like this
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I thought this was very interesting. A different way of looking at it. There has always been the question on weather or not HP was pro or anti Christianity and I find it nice to see people discussing it from both sides. This may or may not have been Jo’s intent, but it does give a poke in the side to all the people out there who believe HP is promoting witchcraft and the like.
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Oh, thanks GodricPotter! I fixed it ... I must've misread the article I was quoting. Thanks again!
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Ooh, that's well neat. I'm not sure whether or not Jo intended for the first one to be quoting the Bible, but the words match perfectly so I can't really say.
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cool. it's very likely that she, being christian, intended it to be like that.
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Old 08-07-2007, 04:25 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I think it was intended. It was done really well.
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yea it was cool...i think she did that on purpose...i should realy read my bible more...and find those passages....
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Different versions of the bible have different wordings though. And though they have ranked higher, on release, Harry Potter hasn't sold anywhere near as many copies.

That second quote actually suits Snape way better.

Either way, the first is probably more likely to be a coincidence. I mean, you can't just copy bits from another book without citing -- that's illegal.

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That's really neat! I'm a Christian, and those verses fit perfectly in Deathly Hallows really well. I'm glad that Jo put them in there, whether others like it or not.
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well JK is a christian so she could ahve intened it
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its really a subtle slap in the face to all those who say that HP is non-christian. JKR probably meant it though, she's really good about things like that.
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I dunno... J.K. Rowling is immesley (sp?) clever and maybe it's there for a reason (Just as Ms Rowling Dumbledore was well read so...) but you never know it might not be...
Only J.K. Rowling will know... unless she tells us! :-)
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Great! Laura Mallory will love this!
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Of course there are religious connections because she is a christian
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i think that she intended it
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I think she knew what she was putting into her book!!
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thats incredible!!! maybe, Jo reads the bible?
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There undoubtedly is a connection, as stated by JK herself:

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When asked whether she is Christian, author J.K. Rowling states:

“Yes, I am, which seems to offend the religious right far worse than if I said I thought there was no God. Every time I’ve been asked if I believe in God, I’ve said yes, because I do, but no one ever really has gone any more deeply into it than that, and I have to say that does suit me, because if I talk too freely about that [her Christianity] I think the intelligent reader, whether 10 or 60, will be able to guess what’s coming in the books.”
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Hmm. That's interesting! Really cool too!
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Somehow, I could see that....interesting....I think it was intentional, the HP books are the same as so many others it's not even funny....
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