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top94a 01-13-2011 09:19 AM
Raven get an idea now, he raised his hand before he say "Professor, how about Palmistry --the arts of reading hand print", he say it, because it's novice and common in muggle world.

Mell 01-13-2011 09:20 AM
Oooh tarot. This reminded Mia of the old lady in the commune who was always trying to tell people's fortunes with tarot cards but unfortunately she wasn't very good at it.

Mia raised her hand. "There are four suits to a tarot deck that correspond to the suits of a normal playing deck. Each of these suits has pip cards numbering from ace to ten and four cards with faces that equal a total of fourteen cards. In addition to these suits the tarot has a separate twenty one card trump suit and a single card known as the fool."

Amira With a C 01-13-2011 09:31 AM
Parke scribbled frantically, attempting to copy down the list, as well as pay attention to what the professor was saying. Multi-tasking was something he wasn't too good at. When he finished, he took a look at his notes. His eyes widened briefly. Were they to learn about all these different forms?!

Tarot? The teacher had asked about Tarot. Those were those cards. He'd taken notes on those whilst he'd been studying. He pulled his stack of notes out of his bag, looking for the Divination section. He was suddenly thankful that he'd decided to take notes on the most common forms. Ah, yes, there it was.

He took a moment to skim over his notes before raising his hand. "Tarot cards have four suits: coins, swords, wands, and cups. They're said to actually correspond directly to the four life sustaining elements, those being , carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, and hydrogen respectively; Which, to me at least, suggests a kind of biological connection to our life path. A tangible proof, almost, that fate and destiny are intertwined with our physical bodies..." He was rambling. How embarrassing. Of course, thinking about his embarrassment just caused him to flush severely. And right in the middle of class. In front of everyone. How undignified.

Roselyn 01-13-2011 09:33 AM
Hmm.

Well, she really was going to name off a form of Divination, but before she could raise her hand, someone already mentioned her favorite kind. And that sorta depressed her. Pssh. Which is why she sat in her seat, arms crossed, and glancing around the room to compare the difference of it from the term before. Not that much different. She still felt tired.

However, as they were beginning to move on to the next part of the lesson, the Slytherin squeezed her eyes shut for a moment before looking towards the professor. Right. Stay awake. Answering questions to stay awake. As if she could even get an answer in...eesh some of these people. Must be Ravenclaws. "Tarot cards can be dated back as far as the 1400's." she said after raising her hand before tapping her fingers on her desk and lowering her voice some to get a more mysterious effect. "Perhaps even farther than that too."

You just never know nowadays on what goes down in history and what they're missing.

Wenzlebug 01-13-2011 09:49 AM
Once again, Ced's hand flew up in the air as soon as the professor finished speaking. He knew some about Tarot. They had studied it before anyway. "The tarot cards' meanings vary from deck to deck though what a card symbolizes and its element stay just the same," Cedric paused, not just for the heck of it but rather for breathing, for he got more to say, "it's certainly and essentially the mood and symbolism of a card that must be interpreted. I think we can pretty much trust or, let even, our intuition to convey what a tarot card particularly say."

Winter Dreams 01-13-2011 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10104795)
Completing their divination list, as established by the students, Renée turned back to the students who'd spoke about tarot cards with another smile. "It seems you might be a bit hopeful about that subject," she said to the two who had mentioned them by name, before turning back to the class as a whole. "Cartomancy, or its similar cousin Taromancy, is quite the delicate study. As was mentioned, it can most commonly be considered reading cards, Taromancy being more specific to the Tarot while basic cartomancy can use any form of cards. Actually, most common is a basic deck of Muggle playing cards. And there's another offshoot that simply uses what are known as oracle decks, which is a bit more, well specific than either divination with playing cards or Tarot cards," she said, moving slightly toward the bookshelf as she spoke. If anyone was curious, she could explain their uses as well, but at a later time.

"For now, let's stick with the basics, though," she continued. "Maybe with the Tarot." And her discussion was turning a bit more casual, it seemed. "Does anyone want to offer a fact or two about the Tarot? Anything about the specific cards in the deck, or whatever else you can think of." Then maybe they could look into the correlation between that deck and the others. It would depend on what she got right now.[/COLOR]

ooc: As usual, try to stick with only one fact, etc. per post. Let others get a word in. :) Try not to get too into chats as well and things will continue later. With more fun.
She had read about tarot cards. She was a bit cynical about divination, but she was intending on doing her best, so she read anything she thought might come to be of importance. She raised her hand again. "Different readers of tarot cards will look and interpret tarot cards differently, with their own perspective." She said.

Canoir Greengrass 01-13-2011 11:54 AM
SPOILER!!: ze Professor
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10104795)
[Completing their divination list, as established by the students, Renée turned back to the students who'd spoke about tarot cards with another smile. "It seems you might be a bit hopeful about that subject," she said to the two who had mentioned them by name, before turning back to the class as a whole. "Cartomancy, or its similar cousin Taromancy, is quite the delicate study. As was mentioned, it can most commonly be considered reading cards, Taromancy being more specific to the Tarot while basic cartomancy can use any form of cards. Actually, most common is a basic deck of Muggle playing cards. And there's another offshoot that simply uses what are known as oracle decks, which is a bit more, well specific than either divination with playing cards or Tarot cards," she said, moving slightly toward the bookshelf as she spoke. If anyone was curious, she could explain their uses as well, but at a later time.

"For now, let's stick with the basics, though," she continued. "Maybe with the Tarot." And her discussion was turning a bit more casual, it seemed. "Does anyone want to offer a fact or two about the Tarot? Anything about the specific cards in the deck, or whatever else you can think of." Then maybe they could look into the correlation between that deck and the others. It would depend on what she got right now.


Freya copied the list of Divination to her notes. Wooo..There are a lot of form of Divination there. She sighed and put her quill down. She heard Professor Bishop asking about Tarot. Oh they going to learn about tarot?Yay..!! She raised her hand before saying "Tarot cards are a set of 78 cards that is used for occult purposes. The cards were divided into two parts. The Major Arcana and The Minor Arcana. The Major Arcana cards are thought of as the "power" cards in a tarot reading, while the Minor Arcana serve in supportive roles and augment the reading with further insight and detail of circumstances."

PattyH. 01-13-2011 01:03 PM
It had been Professor Nolan's lesson last term that had led Patroclus on the road to a further study of the magic of Tarot and there was one particular bit of information that he found rather interesting and thought worthy of sharing.

"Professor, the tarot deck known as the Tarot de Marseille" Patroclus pronounced in his rarely used native french, "or the Tarot of Marseilles was a tarot deck that has been traced back as far as the 15th centuary, and is seen by many to be the basis on which most of the recent Tarot patterns have been based. It was this deck that was first introduced the most English-speaking Tarot readers by the French." Patroclus was half french, on his Mother's side so he was proud of this little fact.

Vive la France!

Magical Soul 01-13-2011 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10104795)
["For now, let's stick with the basics, though," she continued. "Maybe with the Tarot." And her discussion was turning a bit more casual, it seemed. "Does anyone want to offer a fact or two about the Tarot? Anything about the specific cards in the deck, or whatever else you can think of." Then maybe they could look into the correlation between that deck and the others. It would depend on what she got right now.

ooc: As usual, try to stick with only one fact, etc. per post. Let others get a word in. :) Try not to get too into chats as well and things will continue later. With more fun.
And we're talking about cards again which was not as interesting as interpreting dreams but it was more interesting than Runes anyways- no offence to the nice professor. So, Tarot cards are known to Louisa. "I read, Professor, that long ago there was someone who thought that the word Tar was coming from the Egyptian word "Royal" and ro was coming from the word "Pathways" which makes it "Royal pathways" to wisdom in that man's opinion." Pause. "I remember his name. He was Gebelin." She added thoughtfully. "Yet, further researches didn't approve of Gebelin's study and found out that the Gypsies were the one who introduced Tarot cards to Europe rather than the Egyptians." See? She loved reading historical books ^__^

Jake_Lockley8672 01-13-2011 01:33 PM
"There's more than just one type of deck when it comes to Tarot cards," Jamie said her hand in the air.

Felixir 01-13-2011 01:37 PM
Sand... sand right in his bed.

In his food, too.

Oh, Jake would do it.

But right now he raised his hand and saiiiidddddd... "The pictures... like, MEAN something. There's pictures of people but of THINGS as well. Like... the Tower. The Tower is my favourite one."

Jake glanced very briefly at Treyen. If he so much a MOVED HIS HEAD, he would wake up in a sandpit.

Hera 01-13-2011 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10104795)
Completing their divination list, as established by the students, Renée turned back to the students who'd spoke about tarot cards with another smile. "It seems you might be a bit hopeful about that subject," she said to the two who had mentioned them by name, before turning back to the class as a whole. "Cartomancy, or its similar cousin Taromancy, is quite the delicate study. As was mentioned, it can most commonly be considered reading cards, Taromancy being more specific to the Tarot while basic cartomancy can use any form of cards. Actually, most common is a basic deck of Muggle playing cards. And there's another offshoot that simply uses what are known as oracle decks, which is a bit more, well specific than either divination with playing cards or Tarot cards," she said, moving slightly toward the bookshelf as she spoke. If anyone was curious, she could explain their uses as well, but at a later time.

"For now, let's stick with the basics, though," she continued. "Maybe with the Tarot." And her discussion was turning a bit more casual, it seemed. "Does anyone want to offer a fact or two about the Tarot? Anything about the specific cards in the deck, or whatever else you can think of." Then maybe they could look into the correlation between that deck and the others. It would depend on what she got right now.[/COLOR]

ooc: As usual, try to stick with only one fact, etc. per post. Let others get a word in. :) Try not to get too into chats as well and things will continue later. With more fun.
Emily contemplated the Professor's question....
She had accidently insulted a fellow Ravenclaw the previous night when she engaged herself in a discussion about Tarot cards/ divination and since then had thought it best to keep an open mind and learn as much about the vast subject as she could.
Emily raised her hand, thinking she had a valid point to contribute to the class.
"The traditional symbolism found on Tarot cards have evolved over time.This has been doen to reflect particular beliefs of their creators. Examples of modified and modernised Tarot Decks include: The Rider-Waite-Smith deck, Crowley-Harris Thoth deck, the Mythic Tarot- which uses classical symbolism found in Greek mythology, and the Hermetic Tarot......... these decks have been modified in a number of ways, such as rearanging the ranks of particular cards, and the symbolism used on said decks, e.g. astrological symbolism, zodiacal symbolism, alchemical symbolism, and elemental symbolism."

ClaireBlack 01-13-2011 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10104795)

Completing their divination list, as established by the students, Renée turned back to the students who'd spoke about tarot cards with another smile. "It seems you might be a bit hopeful about that subject," she said to the two who had mentioned them by name, before turning back to the class as a whole. "Cartomancy, or its similar cousin Taromancy, is quite the delicate study. As was mentioned, it can most commonly be considered reading cards, Taromancy being more specific to the Tarot while basic cartomancy can use any form of cards. Actually, most common is a basic deck of Muggle playing cards. And there's another offshoot that simply uses what are known as oracle decks, which is a bit more, well specific than either divination with playing cards or Tarot cards," she said, moving slightly toward the bookshelf as she spoke. If anyone was curious, she could explain their uses as well, but at a later time.

"For now, let's stick with the basics, though," she continued. "Maybe with the Tarot." And her discussion was turning a bit more casual, it seemed. "Does anyone want to offer a fact or two about the Tarot? Anything about the specific cards in the deck, or whatever else you can think of." Then maybe they could look into the correlation between that deck and the others. It would depend on what she got right now.[/COLOR]

ooc: As usual, try to stick with only one fact, etc. per post. Let others get a word in. :) Try not to get too into chats as well and things will continue later. With more fun.
Claire raised her hand....
"Um... the interpretation of Tarot cards is determined through the combination of cards and the order in which they are drawn from the deck as well as thier specific meanings based on the symbolism on the card iteself."

Weasley174 01-13-2011 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10104795)
"For now, let's stick with the basics, though," she continued. "Maybe with the Tarot." And her discussion was turning a bit more casual, it seemed. "Does anyone want to offer a fact or two about the Tarot? Anything about the specific cards in the deck, or whatever else you can think of." Then maybe they could look into the correlation between that deck and the others. It would depend on what she got right now.[/COLOR]

ooc: As usual, try to stick with only one fact, etc. per post. Let others get a word in. :) Try not to get too into chats as well and things will continue later. With more fun.
Simon looked at the Professor and raised his hand. "Well Tarot must be a ship because your talking about a deck, I've never heard of anything else use a deck." Simon thought hard but he couldn't of anything else that used a deck. "Well it depends on what type of ship that you are talking about though what a ship has to do with Divination, unless it is a ghost ship."

vijaya 01-13-2011 02:14 PM
Lucy was on it, she was all in this class as she really loved Divination, and she heard the Professor asking about the facts of Tarot. She did actually like the cards but only knew about a little bit of them and thought to express it to the class. She didn't know if that's actually right but then she had to say so she nervously raised her hand and said "Professor, Tarot is a window through which one can learn to see the future. It is best if one considers Tarot as a mirror that deeply and, for its funs, accurately reflects the feeling, dreams, thoughts and aspirations of a person." she said and paused to see what the Professor had to say about that.

jengirls109 01-13-2011 02:53 PM
Jaina thought about this long and hard. "Um, Professor, there is a Death Card and I know it's bad to get that one, but it could be good, too. Like if it's upside down it means change, right?" She had no idea, but it was worth a shot. She was glad that Annabelle was next to her. It meant that if something went wrong, someone had her back.

Lockhartian 01-13-2011 03:18 PM
LOL. I told you Kristin.
 
SPOILER!!: Bishop
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10104795)
Completing their divination list, as established by the students, Renée turned back to the students who'd spoke about tarot cards with another smile. "It seems you might be a bit hopeful about that subject," she said to the two who had mentioned them by name, before turning back to the class as a whole. "Cartomancy, or its similar cousin Taromancy, is quite the delicate study. As was mentioned, it can most commonly be considered reading cards, Taromancy being more specific to the Tarot while basic cartomancy can use any form of cards. Actually, most common is a basic deck of Muggle playing cards. And there's another offshoot that simply uses what are known as oracle decks, which is a bit more, well specific than either divination with playing cards or Tarot cards," she said, moving slightly toward the bookshelf as she spoke. If anyone was curious, she could explain their uses as well, but at a later time.

"For now, let's stick with the basics, though," she continued. "Maybe with the Tarot." And her discussion was turning a bit more casual, it seemed. "Does anyone want to offer a fact or two about the Tarot? Anything about the specific cards in the deck, or whatever else you can think of." Then maybe they could look into the correlation between that deck and the others. It would depend on what she got right now.

ooc: As usual, try to stick with only one fact, etc. per post. Let others get a word in. :) Try not to get too into chats as well and things will continue later. With more fun.


He was nodding....until he wasn't anymore.

Tarot cards. That was...so Nolan. And he wasn't here. Treyen froze in place, remembering about the class, and Peeves, and how he made one card of Saylen. Man, he had a hard time trying to get back into what Bishop was saying. Good thing he knew a bit more about the subject thanks to last year, but it was still a good thing to listen to whatever the Professor said, right? In case she was actually dismissing the class instead of asking them something related to...er, tarot cards in this case.

The boy blinked before gaining power over his ears.

And he hoped he hadn't. Why was Jake taking Divination anyway?

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Originally Posted by Zoerawrr (Post 10104930)
Sand... sand right in his bed.

In his food, too.

Oh, Jake would do it.

But right now he raised his hand and saiiiidddddd... "The pictures... like, MEAN something. There's pictures of people but of THINGS as well. Like... the Tower. The Tower is my favourite one."

Jake glanced very briefly at Treyen. If he so much a MOVED HIS HEAD, he would wake up in a sandpit.
Who on earth CARED which was his favorite picture? Because that's what he meant, his favorite picture, not his favorite card.

He rolled his eyes before realizing Jake was looking his way, and raised his hand, "Excuse me, Profesor," he said, before turning back to Jake, "Well, yes, Jake, those pretty pictures of yours are there to symbolize the meaning of the card. Like, The Tower will usually have a drawing of a tower to represent the card, or something that relates to it." Oh, yes, he was mocking him, alright?

Yourenodaisy 01-13-2011 04:23 PM
Tarot cards? they totally had this lesson last year. Emmaleigh smiled at the incredibly fascinating subject. The young puff raised her hand to share her knowledge. "I believe professor Reynolds said A pack of regular playing cards can be used for the minor arcana, although, There are 56 cards in the minor arcana, and only 52 in a regular deck." She paused. "Maybe he said that they were similar?" she thought, before continuing her explanation. "And each suit in the minor arcana has a corresponding suit in the playing cards. The Pentacles matches the diamonds, the Staves and clubs go together, The Cups and Hearts, and then the Swords and Spades."

Buggy-Boo 01-13-2011 04:27 PM
Ronnie sighed, she didn't know the answer to this one. She wasn't sure if she should even guess to try and get the right answer...well better to try. At least then she could possibly get points.

" I think it's is a pack of cards, there are normally 78 card in the deck. Right?" Ronnie asked hoping that she wasn't making a fool of herself with the wrong answer.

lemondrop13 01-13-2011 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10104795)
Completing their divination list, as established by the students, Renée turned back to the students who'd spoke about tarot cards with another smile. "It seems you might be a bit hopeful about that subject," she said to the two who had mentioned them by name, before turning back to the class as a whole. "Cartomancy, or its similar cousin Taromancy, is quite the delicate study. As was mentioned, it can most commonly be considered reading cards, Taromancy being more specific to the Tarot while basic cartomancy can use any form of cards. Actually, most common is a basic deck of Muggle playing cards. And there's another offshoot that simply uses what are known as oracle decks, which is a bit more, well specific than either divination with playing cards or Tarot cards," she said, moving slightly toward the bookshelf as she spoke. If anyone was curious, she could explain their uses as well, but at a later time.

"For now, let's stick with the basics, though," she continued. "Maybe with the Tarot." And her discussion was turning a bit more casual, it seemed. "Does anyone want to offer a fact or two about the Tarot? Anything about the specific cards in the deck, or whatever else you can think of." Then maybe they could look into the correlation between that deck and the others. It would depend on what she got right now.[/COLOR]

ooc: As usual, try to stick with only one fact, etc. per post. Let others get a word in. :) Try not to get too into chats as well and things will continue later. With more fun.
Bennet tried to recall anything he'd learned about Tarot cards from his readings. Raising his hand, he contributed, "The layout or spread of Tarot cards can be just as significant as the cards themselves. There are a wide variety of layouts, which give different information and insight to the person performing the reading. Some popular layouts include the Five Card Spread, The Ellipse Spread, The Celtic Cross, The Mirror Spread, The Mandala Spread, and the The Relationship Spread, to name a few."

city_girl_95 01-13-2011 04:30 PM
Sheridan had been doodeling for the past ten minutes in her notebook, and paying little attention to the others, but had jotted down the list in her notebook, next to her little Justin being killed/maimed/tortured doodles, she put her hand up, uhh Tarot cards are meant to..umm, like predict the future...and stuff, she trailed off lamely.

She hoped Hendricks wasn't in the room then otherwise she was dog meat, but she carried on you need to select more than one card to predict the future she nodded, cuz otherwise the prediction can be confused, like if you had a skeleton with something else it could be positive, but if you have it on it's own it can be confused for a negative future

AliciaWeasley 01-13-2011 04:32 PM
Alicia walked into the classroom reluctantly. It wasn't because she hated the class or anything as she had never known what Divination class was all about. She was raised in muggle ways so she had never heard such thing as Divination. She was extremely tired as she just returned to the castle this morning. However, she would try to behave nicely in class. "Hello Professor!" She greeted her warmly. "Sorry, I'm late. I just got back this morning. I was sent home for a few days. Umm.. Family matters." She apologized for her major lateness. Alicia did hope that Professor Bishop would still let her join the class.

Lauralicious 01-13-2011 04:44 PM
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Completing their divination list, as established by the students, Renée turned back to the students who'd spoke about tarot cards with another smile. "It seems you might be a bit hopeful about that subject," she said to the two who had mentioned them by name, before turning back to the class as a whole. "Cartomancy, or its similar cousin Taromancy, is quite the delicate study. As was mentioned, it can most commonly be considered reading cards, Taromancy being more specific to the Tarot while basic cartomancy can use any form of cards. Actually, most common is a basic deck of Muggle playing cards. And there's another offshoot that simply uses what are known as oracle decks, which is a bit more, well specific than either divination with playing cards or Tarot cards," she said, moving slightly toward the bookshelf as she spoke. If anyone was curious, she could explain their uses as well, but at a later time.

"For now, let's stick with the basics, though," she continued. "Maybe with the Tarot." And her discussion was turning a bit more casual, it seemed. "Does anyone want to offer a fact or two about the Tarot? Anything about the specific cards in the deck, or whatever else you can think of." Then maybe they could look into the correlation between that deck and the others. It would depend on what she got right now.
"Tarot was first known as tarocchi,tarock and similiar names and is a pack of most commonly 78 cards.",Fee said rasing her hand in response to the professor.Oh yaay it was up for Divination again.Even though she thought it wouzld be boring the girl had grown rather interestied in it over the last year.Good thing she had read a lot of books about it over the summer. How weird was that? Her reading school books because she actually wanted to... Oh glitter.

lilithpotter 01-13-2011 04:54 PM
"There are two types of arcana cards; minor and major. The minor cards hold number cards and then the court cards like a normal playing cards. Major arcana cards holds picture cards that visualize there meanings for instance the fool card would hold a joker or something like that." She replied shifting in her seat alittle the chairs weren't that comfy.

SweetPeea 01-13-2011 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10104795)
SPOILER!!: divination list with additions
Aeromancy
Aichmomancy
Apantomancy
Arithmancy/Numerology
Astrology
Austromancy
Cartomancy/Taromancy *
Cartopedy
Cheiromancy/Palmistry
Cleromancy
Crystallomancy (crystal balls)
Geloscopy
Geomancy
Hydromancy
Lithomancy
Nephomancy
Oneiromancy
Pyromancy
Rune casting/runic divination
Stolismancy
Tasseomancy
Tiromancy

Completing their divination list, as established by the students, Renée turned back to the students who'd spoke about tarot cards with another smile. "It seems you might be a bit hopeful about that subject," she said to the two who had mentioned them by name, before turning back to the class as a whole. "Cartomancy, or its similar cousin Taromancy, is quite the delicate study. As was mentioned, it can most commonly be considered reading cards, Taromancy being more specific to the Tarot while basic cartomancy can use any form of cards. Actually, most common is a basic deck of Muggle playing cards. And there's another offshoot that simply uses what are known as oracle decks, which is a bit more, well specific than either divination with playing cards or Tarot cards," she said, moving slightly toward the bookshelf as she spoke. If anyone was curious, she could explain their uses as well, but at a later time.

"For now, let's stick with the basics, though," she continued. "Maybe with the Tarot." And her discussion was turning a bit more casual, it seemed. "Does anyone want to offer a fact or two about the Tarot? Anything about the specific cards in the deck, or whatever else you can think of." Then maybe they could look into the correlation between that deck and the others. It would depend on what she got right now.

ooc: As usual, try to stick with only one fact, etc. per post. Let others get a word in. :) Try not to get too into chats as well and things will continue later. With more fun.
Violet was smiling as Professor Bishop began talking to them about Divination. She was very enthused as she was writing down the list on the boar the Professor had written. Violet's eyes widened when Professor Bishop mentioned Tarot cards, she knew about Tarots. She then raised her hand and said brightly,"Tarot cards were used by Mystics and Occultists in an effort at Divination or as a map of mental and spiritual pathways!" Violet smiled brightly at Professor Bishop again.

The Grey Lady 01-13-2011 06:15 PM
Runic Divination!? This had caught Pandora's interest greatly. She raised her hand though, to answer the question that was currently being asked.

"The Tarot is the most practised art of Divination. They've been used for hundreds of years to find hidden truths and see the future of the person receiving the card reading."

So, it wasn't as elaborate as the other students, and it probably wasn't right, but it worked for her.

ArianaBlack 01-13-2011 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Zebragirl (Post 10104762)
Emily would have normally answerd some questions by now, but it was just so silly!
"My sister's used tarot cards before..."
'But it was a load of rubbish' she thought
Nika turned to Emily with a confused
expression. "I really have no idea" she said worried

Holmesian Feline 01-13-2011 08:10 PM
Great...Tarot cards.

Not that Simon had anything against them and he hadn't done to bad with them in homework and class but they had been the focus of the Divination OWL. The OWL he had failed in and he wasn't sure if he was cut out for interpretting them well. At the professor's question, he thought back to the previous year's study to anything that he could remember that hadn't been mentioned already and eventually raised his hand.

"There are thousands of different decks available catering to many diverse interests from the chocolate tarot to the Renaissance tarot," he answered lowering his hand to listen to the rest and take notes.

Felixir 01-13-2011 08:20 PM
rarrr. Jake isn't sneaky enough for intellectual smack talk, so we went for blatant
 
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Originally Posted by Lockhartian (Post 10105027)
Who on earth CARED which was his favorite picture? Because that's what he meant, his favorite picture, not his favorite card.

He rolled his eyes before realizing Jake was looking his way, and raised his hand, "Excuse me, Profesor," he said, before turning back to Jake, "Well, yes, Jake, those pretty pictures of yours are there to symbolize the meaning of the card. Like, The Tower will usually have a drawing of a tower to represent the card, or something that relates to it." Oh, yes, he was mocking him, alright?
Oh Merlin, really?

Did he ACTUALLY think Jake was that stupid?

"I do believe you just practically repeated what I just said. Remember, Treyen... some of us have such intellect that we don't need every detail spelled out," Jake said blandly, raising his hand and not looking at Treyen. When he dropped it down again, he smiled over at the boy.

"I suggest you turn back around and answer Professor Bishop's question with an answer of your own."

HAVEANICEDAYNOW.

Looking back at Bishop, Jake went on. "For example, a classic card for Treyen would be if you lay down 'The Fool'. Reversed, of course."

Luinevaug 01-13-2011 08:33 PM
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Aeromancy, Aichmomancy, Apantomancy, Arithmancy/Numerology, Astrology, Austromancy, Cartomancy/Taromancy *, Cartopedy, Cheiromancy/Palmistry, Cleromancy, Crystallomancy (crystal balls)
Geloscopy, Geomancy, Hydromancy, Lithomancy, Nephomancy, Oneiromancy, Pyromancy, Rune casting/runic divination, Stolismancy, Tasseomancy, Tiromancy
Luin jotted down all of the fields of divination as well as their meaning and then smiled, realizing the one type she knew a bit more about was what they were going to be talking about. After the professor asked the question, she quickly raised her hand, "The tarot has four suits: Coins, Wands, Cups and Swords. Each of these suits has pip cards from ace to ten and four face cards for a total of 14 cards. In addition, the tarot is distinguished by a separate 21-card trump suit and a single card known as the Fool. The Fool can act as the top trump or may be played to avoid following suit.The trump cards and the Fool are called "the major arcana" while the ten pip and four court cards in each suit are called "minor arcana"."

Zebragirl 01-13-2011 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ArianaBlack (Post 10105452)
Nika turned to Emily with a confused
expression. "I really have no idea" she said worried
"Oh, don't worry if you don't know the answer" Emily whispered to Nika "As long as you try your hardest you'll be fine" she smiled

pundantic 01-13-2011 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10104795)
[COLOR=#25b6ff]As people started offering ideas as to various forms of Divination, Renée started thinking that people were getting more interested in the topic. Or they were just interested in gaining points, but as long as they were participating, she didn't really mind their reasoning. Participation always made class more fun. "You all seem to have done a bit of research," she said idly, noting those who were going to be awarded points at the same time as flicking her wand at the chalkboard once again to start listing the ideas as they were mentioned. It saved her from having to go through everything on her own, although she knew this was still going to be only a partial list.

SPOILER!!: divination list
Aeromancy
Aichmomancy
Apantomancy
Astrology
Austromancy
Cartopedy
Cheiromancy/Palmistry
Cleromancy
Crystallomancy (crystal balls)
Geloscopy
Geomancy
Hydromancy
Lithomancy
Nephomancy
Oneiromancy
Pyromancy
Rune casting/runic divination
Stolismancy
Tasseomancy
Tiromancy


SPOILER!!: divination list with additions
Aeromancy
Aichmomancy
Apantomancy
Arithmancy/Numerology
Astrology
Austromancy
Cartomancy/Taromancy *
Cartopedy
Cheiromancy/Palmistry
Cleromancy
Crystallomancy (crystal balls)
Geloscopy
Geomancy
Hydromancy
Lithomancy
Nephomancy
Oneiromancy
Pyromancy
Rune casting/runic divination
Stolismancy
Tasseomancy
Tiromancy

Completing their divination list, as established by the students, Renée turned back to the students who'd spoke about tarot cards with another smile. "It seems you might be a bit hopeful about that subject," she said to the two who had mentioned them by name, before turning back to the class as a whole. "Cartomancy, or its similar cousin Taromancy, is quite the delicate study. As was mentioned, it can most commonly be considered reading cards, Taromancy being more specific to the Tarot while basic cartomancy can use any form of cards. Actually, most common is a basic deck of Muggle playing cards. And there's another offshoot that simply uses what are known as oracle decks, which is a bit more, well specific than either divination with playing cards or Tarot cards," she said, moving slightly toward the bookshelf as she spoke. If anyone was curious, she could explain their uses as well, but at a later time.

"For now, let's stick with the basics, though," she continued. "Maybe with the Tarot." And her discussion was turning a bit more casual, it seemed. "Does anyone want to offer a fact or two about the Tarot? Anything about the specific cards in the deck, or whatever else you can think of." Then maybe they could look into the correlation between that deck and the others. It would depend on what she got right now.

ooc: As usual, try to stick with only one fact, etc. per post. Let others get a word in. :) Try not to get too into chats as well and things will continue later. With more fun.
Selina beamed when she was awarded house points. She made a mental note to write her Uncle and tell him that he had given her information that she used in class to impress the teacher.

When the teacher inquired about tarrot cards she listened to all of the answers around her once more. They all seemed to be saying the same thing- that they were a method to predict the future. Selina wasn't sure it was just that. She remembered growing up she had heard something else about them. Then she remembered.

"Excuse me, ma'am? Tarrot cards, they've been used for hundreds of years to help predict the future, even back to Ancient Egypt is I remember correctly. But aren't their four suits? The wands, the swords, the coins, and the cups. Similar to average playing cards they have ten numbered cards in each suit... but four in the court The numbers and court members all stand for something. Tarrot cards in this manner were originally used in high society as a game for bored women.

"But their is another type, right? More magical in meaning and can foretell the future much more accurately. I'm not sure exactly what they are composed of, but one of the cards in the deck is The Devil. I know that for sure." Selina ended sitting back down. She was not going to elaborate anymore she had already said too much.

Lockhartian 01-13-2011 10:16 PM
Lol.
 
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Originally Posted by Zoerawrr (Post 10105523)
Oh Merlin, really?

Did he ACTUALLY think Jake was that stupid?

"I do believe you just practically repeated what I just said. Remember, Treyen... some of us have such intellect that we don't need every detail spelled out," Jake said blandly, raising his hand and not looking at Treyen. When he dropped it down again, he smiled over at the boy.

"I suggest you turn back around and answer Professor Bishop's question with an answer of your own."

HAVEANICEDAYNOW.

Looking back at Bishop, Jake went on. "For example, a classic card for Treyen would be if you lay down 'The Fool'. Reversed, of course."
Oh, wait...what?

The boy smirked and raised an eyebrow. Intellect, you say? "Honestly, your knowledge for some words amazes me," because 'I like the pictures than comes in the card' is particularly bright. Seriously.

He wasn't even trying to answer her question in the first place, why bother with commenting on Jake pointing out something that wasn't obvious.

His eyes went back to Jake as he compared him to a card...but The Fool wasn't particularly bad...except...REVERSED? Jake was dead, and Treyen chuckled, "Since we're comparing cards, I believe you'll be much too familiar with 'The Devil', since you portray it pretty well."

Imsosikk07 01-13-2011 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by fanficfanatict (Post 10105772)
Selina beamed when she was awarded house points. She made a mental note to write her Uncle and tell him that he had given her information that she used in class to impress the teacher.

When the teacher inquired about tarrot cards she listened to all of the answers around her once more. They all seemed to be saying the same thing- that they were a method to predict the future. Selina wasn't sure it was just that. She remembered growing up she had heard something else about them. Then she remembered.

"Excuse me, ma'am? Tarrot cards, they've been used for hundreds of years to help predict the future, even back to Ancient Egypt is I remember correctly. But aren't their four suits? The wands, the swords, the coins, and the cups. Similar to average playing cards they have ten numbered cards in each suit... but four in the court The numbers and court members all stand for something. Tarrot cards in this manner were originally used in high society as a game for bored women.

"But their is another type, right? More magical in meaning and can foretell the future much more accurately. I'm not sure exactly what they are composed of, but one of the cards in the deck is The Devil. I know that for sure." Selina ended sitting back down. She was not going to elaborate anymore she had already said too much.
Elektra's head was hurting. Too much info at once for her. Listening to Selina speak made Elektra's head spin and she rubbed it and just had a slight confused look on her and she thought to herself. Ok, Selina before my head explodes. It's bad enough that I can't understand Charms. Don't make me not understand Divination. Elektra just now stared at her parchment and then once Selina sat down Elektra just gave a look to her.

SilverTiger 01-13-2011 10:30 PM
Only quoting the first several answers (dozen or so) plus incidents
 
Text Cut: answers
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Originally Posted by nogoodforyou (Post 10104801)
Helena raised her hand and hesitated for a moment. "We can use cards to gain insight into the current and possible future situations of... what we want to know," she said slowly. "Am I right?" she added, looking at the professor.
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Originally Posted by sweetpinkpixie (Post 10104802)
OOOH! Tarot cards! Kurumi had had fun with making her own deck last term for homework and was looking forward to studying them again.

"One of the more well known decks is The Major Arcana, or greater secrets," Kurumi offered with her hand raised.
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Originally Posted by Starbreeze (Post 10104805)
Taromancy. Eino added to his notes including the brief introduction and description the professor had given. Being well acquainted with different periods of European history, such as the Middle Ages, apparently came in handy for more than just History of Magic. He could recall that these were popular during the time and quite often used, perhaps of the most popular used forms of Divination, after Cyclomancy maybe. "Professor," He began with his hand raised, "the deck is divided into two parts, I believe. The Major and Minor Arcana. The Major includes cards like the fool, the lovers, the sun, and so on. I think there are twenty or maybe twenty two total. There are more Minor Arcana cards, something around fifties, I believe, and those are separated into subcategories, too." So he didn't know that many details, but hopefully this would suffice.
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Originally Posted by aussiegirl (Post 10104808)
Oooh tarot. This reminded Mia of the old lady in the commune who was always trying to tell people's fortunes with tarot cards but unfortunately she wasn't very good at it.

Mia raised her hand. "There are four suits to a tarot deck that correspond to the suits of a normal playing deck. Each of these suits has pip cards numbering from ace to ten and four cards with faces that equal a total of fourteen cards. In addition to these suits the tarot has a separate twenty one card trump suit and a single card known as the fool."
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Originally Posted by Amira With a C (Post 10104815)
Parke scribbled frantically, attempting to copy down the list, as well as pay attention to what the professor was saying. Multi-tasking was something he wasn't too good at. When he finished, he took a look at his notes. His eyes widened briefly. Were they to learn about all these different forms?!

Tarot? The teacher had asked about Tarot. Those were those cards. He'd taken notes on those whilst he'd been studying. He pulled his stack of notes out of his bag, looking for the Divination section. He was suddenly thankful that he'd decided to take notes on the most common forms. Ah, yes, there it was.

He took a moment to skim over his notes before raising his hand. "Tarot cards have four suits: coins, swords, wands, and cups. They're said to actually correspond directly to the four life sustaining elements, those being , carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, and hydrogen respectively; Which, to me at least, suggests a kind of biological connection to our life path. A tangible proof, almost, that fate and destiny are intertwined with our physical bodies..." He was rambling. How embarrassing. Of course, thinking about his embarrassment just caused him to flush severely. And right in the middle of class. In front of everyone. How undignified.
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Originally Posted by Roselyn (Post 10104817)
Hmm.

Well, she really was going to name off a form of Divination, but before she could raise her hand, someone already mentioned her favorite kind. And that sorta depressed her. Pssh. Which is why she sat in her seat, arms crossed, and glancing around the room to compare the difference of it from the term before. Not that much different. She still felt tired.

However, as they were beginning to move on to the next part of the lesson, the Slytherin squeezed her eyes shut for a moment before looking towards the professor. Right. Stay awake. Answering questions to stay awake. As if she could even get an answer in...eesh some of these people. Must be Ravenclaws. "Tarot cards can be dated back as far as the 1400's." she said after raising her hand before tapping her fingers on her desk and lowering her voice some to get a more mysterious effect. "Perhaps even farther than that too."

You just never know nowadays on what goes down in history and what they're missing.
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Originally Posted by Wenzlebug (Post 10104831)
Once again, Ced's hand flew up in the air as soon as the professor finished speaking. He knew some about Tarot. They had studied it before anyway. "The tarot cards' meanings vary from deck to deck though what a card symbolizes and its element stay just the same," Cedric paused, not just for the heck of it but rather for breathing, for he got more to say, "it's certainly and essentially the mood and symbolism of a card that must be interpreted. I think we can pretty much trust or, let even, our intuition to convey what a tarot card particularly say."
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Originally Posted by Winter Dreams (Post 10104849)
She had read about tarot cards. She was a bit cynical about divination, but she was intending on doing her best, so she read anything she thought might come to be of importance. She raised her hand again. "Different readers of tarot cards will look and interpret tarot cards differently, with their own perspective." She said.
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Originally Posted by Canoir Greengrass (Post 10104873)
Freya copied the list of Divination to her notes. Wooo..There are a lot of form of Divination there. She sighed and put her quill down. She heard Professor Bishop asking about Tarot. Oh they going to learn about tarot?Yay..!! She raised her hand before saying "Tarot cards are a set of 78 cards that is used for occult purposes. The cards were divided into two parts. The Major Arcana and The Minor Arcana. The Major Arcana cards are thought of as the "power" cards in a tarot reading, while the Minor Arcana serve in supportive roles and augment the reading with further insight and detail of circumstances."
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Originally Posted by PattyH. (Post 10104908)
It had been Professor Nolan's lesson last term that had led Patroclus on the road to a further study of the magic of Tarot and there was one particular bit of information that he found rather interesting and thought worthy of sharing.

"Professor, the tarot deck known as the Tarot de Marseille" Patroclus pronounced in his rarely used native french, "or the Tarot of Marseilles was a tarot deck that has been traced back as far as the 15th centuary, and is seen by many to be the basis on which most of the recent Tarot patterns have been based. It was this deck that was first introduced the most English-speaking Tarot readers by the French." Patroclus was half french, on his Mother's side so he was proud of this little fact.

Vive la France!
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Originally Posted by Magical Soul (Post 10104922)
And we're talking about cards again which was not as interesting as interpreting dreams but it was more interesting than Runes anyways- no offence to the nice professor. So, Tarot cards are known to Louisa. "I read, Professor, that long ago there was someone who thought that the word Tar was coming from the Egyptian word "Royal" and ro was coming from the word "Pathways" which makes it "Royal pathways" to wisdom in that man's opinion." Pause. "I remember his name. He was Gebelin." She added thoughtfully. "Yet, further researches didn't approve of Gebelin's study and found out that the Gypsies were the one who introduced Tarot cards to Europe rather than the Egyptians." See? She loved reading historical books ^__^
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Originally Posted by Jake_Lockley8672 (Post 10104928)
"There's more than just one type of deck when it comes to Tarot cards," Jamie said her hand in the air.
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Originally Posted by Emily_Potter (Post 10104934)
Emily contemplated the Professor's question....
She had accidently insulted a fellow Ravenclaw the previous night when she engaged herself in a discussion about Tarot cards/ divination and since then had thought it best to keep an open mind and learn as much about the vast subject as she could.
Emily raised her hand, thinking she had a valid point to contribute to the class.
"The traditional symbolism found on Tarot cards have evolved over time.This has been doen to reflect particular beliefs of their creators. Examples of modified and modernised Tarot Decks include: The Rider-Waite-Smith deck, Crowley-Harris Thoth deck, the Mythic Tarot- which uses classical symbolism found in Greek mythology, and the Hermetic Tarot......... these decks have been modified in a number of ways, such as rearanging the ranks of particular cards, and the symbolism used on said decks, e.g. astrological symbolism, zodiacal symbolism, alchemical symbolism, and elemental symbolism."
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Originally Posted by ClaireBlack (Post 10104948)
Claire raised her hand....
"Um... the interpretation of Tarot cards is determined through the combination of cards and the order in which they are drawn from the deck as well as thier specific meanings based on the symbolism on the card iteself."
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Originally Posted by Yourenodaisy (Post 10105076)
Tarot cards? they totally had this lesson last year. Emmaleigh smiled at the incredibly fascinating subject. The young puff raised her hand to share her knowledge. "I believe professor Reynolds said A pack of regular playing cards can be used for the minor arcana, although, There are 56 cards in the minor arcana, and only 52 in a regular deck." She paused. "Maybe he said that they were similar?" she thought, before continuing her explanation. "And each suit in the minor arcana has a corresponding suit in the playing cards. The Pentacles matches the diamonds, the Staves and clubs go together, The Cups and Hearts, and then the Swords and Spades."
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Originally Posted by lemondrop13 (Post 10105082)
Bennet tried to recall anything he'd learned about Tarot cards from his readings. Raising his hand, he contributed, "The layout or spread of Tarot cards can be just as significant as the cards themselves. There are a wide variety of layouts, which give different information and insight to the person performing the reading. Some popular layouts include the Five Card Spread, The Ellipse Spread, The Celtic Cross, The Mirror Spread, The Mandala Spread, and the The Relationship Spread, to name a few."


Even with mention of the previous professor, Renée was pleased that people were still offering answers. She wasn't about to say it to anyone, as right now that would just make things more difficult, but she wasn't surprised that Professor Reynolds would have discussed the Tarot as well. It was a shared preference. But she needed to get back to the lesson at hand, and she sent a smile to the class. "You all seem to have some idea of what the Tarot is, its history, how it's used. As was mentioned, the Tarot is a set of cards used for divinatory purposes. Although originally the use of the Tarot was considered more of a game, introduced, yes, by the Tarot de Marseille, which originated in Italy in the fifteenth century and traveled to France around 1499, its usage has changed somewhat. We'll discuss layouts and so forth a bit later, Mr. Owlwraith. And Mr. Hudson is also true when he states that that Tarot, the design of it, is the basis of many of the current decks that exist today." Pausing, she glaced over at Louisa. "Antoine de Gébelin did write a treatise stating the origins of the Tarot as Egyptian, in 1781, which is established as the start of the modern period. However, he didn't deny the Gypsies their role in the spread of Tarot. Actually, he did say the Gypsies brought it to Europe, but that they were descendants of the ancient Egyptians.There have been subsequent authors who have challenged his theory, though."

But back to the cards themselves, as their history only subtly affected their use. "Anyway, as many of you said, the Tarot consists of 78 cards in total. 56 in the Minor Arcana, which by the way is also known as the Royal Arcana, and in essence, they are what correspond to regular playing cards. Wands to clubs, coins or pentacles to diamonds, cups to hearts, swords to spades. However, Tarot introduces a fourth suit card, the Knight." Explaining that discrepancy away.

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Originally Posted by Harry174 (Post 10104959)
Simon looked at the Professor and raised his hand. "Well Tarot must be a ship because your talking about a deck, I've never heard of anything else use a deck." Simon thought hard but he couldn't of anything else that used a deck. "Well it depends on what type of ship that you are talking about though what a ship has to do with Divination, unless it is a ghost ship."
Renée paused in her explanation as the little Hufflepuff spoke again, and sent him another grin. "No, sadly, there aren't any ships involved with the Tarot. It's a deck of cards, but I'd imagine people have brought them onto ships in the past. Travelers have just as much need of Divination as everyone else, don't you think?," she replied. Now perhaps they could get back to the discussion at hand, although she had to admit she was amused by his answers. At least he was trying.

Text Cut: The Jake and Treyen show
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Originally Posted by Zoerawrr (Post 10104930)
Sand... sand right in his bed.

In his food, too.

Oh, Jake would do it.

But right now he raised his hand and saiiiidddddd... "The pictures... like, MEAN something. There's pictures of people but of THINGS as well. Like... the Tower. The Tower is my favourite one."

Jake glanced very briefly at Treyen. If he so much a MOVED HIS HEAD, he would wake up in a sandpit.
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Originally Posted by Lockhartian (Post 10105027)

He was nodding....until he wasn't anymore.

Tarot cards. That was...so Nolan. And he wasn't here. Treyen froze in place, remembering about the class, and Peeves, and how he made one card of Saylen. Man, he had a hard time trying to get back into what Bishop was saying. Good thing he knew a bit more about the subject thanks to last year, but it was still a good thing to listen to whatever the Professor said, right? In case she was actually dismissing the class instead of asking them something related to...er, tarot cards in this case.

The boy blinked before gaining power over his ears.

And he hoped he hadn't. Why was Jake taking Divination anyway?



Who on earth CARED which was his favorite picture? Because that's what he meant, his favorite picture, not his favorite card.

He rolled his eyes before realizing Jake was looking his way, and raised his hand, "Excuse me, Profesor," he said, before turning back to Jake, "Well, yes, Jake, those pretty pictures of yours are there to symbolize the meaning of the card. Like, The Tower will usually have a drawing of a tower to represent the card, or something that relates to it." Oh, yes, he was mocking him, alright?
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Originally Posted by Zoerawrr (Post 10105523)
Oh Merlin, really?

Did he ACTUALLY think Jake was that stupid?

"I do believe you just practically repeated what I just said. Remember, Treyen... some of us have such intellect that we don't need every detail spelled out," Jake said blandly, raising his hand and not looking at Treyen. When he dropped it down again, he smiled over at the boy.

"I suggest you turn back around and answer Professor Bishop's question with an answer of your own."

HAVEANICEDAYNOW.

Looking back at Bishop, Jake went on. "For example, a classic card for Treyen would be if you lay down 'The Fool'. Reversed, of course."
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Originally Posted by Lockhartian (Post 10105785)
Oh, wait...what?

The boy smirked and raised an eyebrow. Intellect, you say? "Honestly, your knowledge for some words amazes me," because 'I like the pictures than comes in the card' is particularly bright. Seriously.

He wasn't even trying to answer her question in the first place, why bother with commenting on Jake pointing out something that wasn't obvious.

His eyes went back to Jake as he compared him to a card...but The Fool wasn't particularly bad...except...REVERSED? Jake was dead, and Treyen chuckled, "Since we're comparing cards, I believe you'll be much too familiar with 'The Devil', since you portray it pretty well."


Ready to head back into her discussion of the Minor Arcana, Renée was distracted by a bit of friction between the other two Hufflepuffs she had been intending to keep an eye on. She hadn't missed Treyen's reaction to the topic, but it seemed taking it out on Jake was a bit off. Even if she was the slightest bit grateful it seemed he wasn't taking it out on her anymore. "Yes, Jake. Tarot not only depicts people, but there are a few that depict other concepts," she replied, with a glance at Treyen as it seemed they were using significator cards against each other. "We'll discuss that in a moment." First things first, and she hoped there wouldn't be any more interruptions.

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Originally Posted by AliciaWeasley (Post 10105088)
Alicia walked into the classroom reluctantly. It wasn't because she hated the class or anything as she had never known what Divination class was all about. She was raised in muggle ways so she had never heard such thing as Divination. She was extremely tired as she just returned to the castle this morning. However, she would try to behave nicely in class. "Hello Professor!" She greeted her warmly. "Sorry, I'm late. I just got back this morning. I was sent home for a few days. Umm.. Family matters." She apologized for her major lateness. Alicia did hope that Professor Bishop would still let her join the class.
Of course, that hope seemed unfounded, as she watched a girl choose now to enter the lesson. Inwardly sighing, she smiled briefly at the Gryffindor. "I thank you for the apology, but since the lesson has begun I'll need to take a point from Gryffindor. You're welcome to join us, however, if you can pick up the discussion," she said politely. It was up to her, but she was going to get back to her discussion. After glancing once again at the spot near the wall, as if she expected a response from the invisible.

"Anyway, back to the Minor Arcana," she finally said, getting herself back on track. "The literal intent of that name is 'lesser secrets', and most commonly the meanings brought by those cards depict anything related to everyday life, explained by the suits, the natural elements attached to each suit, wands to fire, cups to water, swords to air and coins or pentacles to earth, and the specific numbers attached to each card. The numbered cards represent everyday events, while the court cards in each suit, or the king, queen, knight and page, can describe people, or significant details of a person."

"The Major Arcana, in contrast, are the 'big secrets', important milestones, events that we can't control, changes and growth. There are 22 cards inthe Major Arcana, all of which are associated with Spirit as their element and are numbered zero through twenty-one. Jake and Treyen seem to have given us three of the cards already, but would anyone else like to provide any of the others?

SPOILER!!: Major Arcana
the Fool
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the Devil
the Tower
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ooc: You know the drill. One per answer, no edits, etc.

leridanusws 01-13-2011 10:35 PM
Lila raised her hand. "The high priestess is part of the major arcana," she replied.

Felixir 01-13-2011 10:35 PM
ba-ZING!
 
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Originally Posted by Lockhartian (Post 10105785)
Oh, wait...what?

The boy smirked and raised an eyebrow. Intellect, you say? "Honestly, your knowledge for some words amazes me," because 'I like the pictures than comes in the card' is particularly bright. Seriously.

He wasn't even trying to answer her question in the first place, why bother with commenting on Jake pointing out something that wasn't obvious.

His eyes went back to Jake as he compared him to a card...but The Fool wasn't particularly bad...except...REVERSED? Jake was dead, and Treyen chuckled, "Since we're comparing cards, I believe you'll be much too familiar with 'The Devil', since you portray it pretty well."
"I know," Jake nodded. Well... sometimes he did have to dumb himself down for Treyen but here the kid was understanding. Good for him. ^_^

So, Jake considered that for a moment. "Well, if you mean reversed, then... yes, I agree." With a bit of it. Like, not the emotional blackmail. Jake couldn't do that.

Couldn't argue with the truth.

"There should be a card for 'arrogant little brat', Professor. Don't you agree?" Jake stated, raising his hand again.

Totally innocent suggestion.

Holmesian Feline 01-13-2011 10:36 PM
Looking over the three already given that had been written into his notes, the sixth year thought on one he himself could give as answer. "Theres the World card," Simon supplied after raising his hand. It had been one that almost always seemed to come up when he practiced a reading.

pundantic 01-13-2011 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10105829)
"Anyway, back to the Minor Arcana," she finally said, getting herself back on track. "The literal intent of that name is 'lesser secrets', and most commonly the meanings brought by those cards depict anything related to everyday life, explained by the suits, the natural elements attached to each suit, wands to fire, cups to water, swords to air and coins or pentacles to earth, and the specific numbers attached to each card. The numbered cards represent everyday events, while the court cards in each suit, or the king, queen, knight and page, can describe people, or significant details of a person."

"The Major Arcana, in contrast, are the 'big secrets', important milestones, events that we can't control, changes and growth. There are 22 cards inthe Major Arcana, all of which are associated with Spirit as their element and are numbered zero through twenty-one. Jake and Treyen seem to have given us three of the cards already, but would anyone else like to provide any of the others?

SPOILER!!: Major Arcana
the Fool
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the Devil
the Tower
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ooc: You know the drill. One per answer, no edits, etc.
Selina after her outburst from earlier raised her hand once more, "Excuse me Professor? Isn't The Lovers another one? I remember seeing it in an old muggle movie with my grandfather. It was made back over seventy years ago or so."

Weasley174 01-13-2011 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10105829)
Renée paused in her explanation as the little Hufflepuff spoke again, and sent him another grin. "No, sadly, there aren't any ships involved with the Tarot. It's a deck of cards, but I'd imagine people have brought them onto ships in the past. Travelers have just as much need of Divination as everyone else, don't you think?," she replied. Now perhaps they could get back to the discussion at hand, although she had to admit she was amused by his answers. At least he was trying.


"The Major Arcana, in contrast, are the 'big secrets', important milestones, events that we can't control, changes and growth. There are 22 cards inthe Major Arcana, all of which are associated with Spirit as their element and are numbered zero through twenty-one. Jake and Treyen seem to have given us three of the cards already, but would anyone else like to provide any of the others?
Simon looked at the Professor. "I do think so." Simon couldn't believe that he had got another one wrong but at least he was trying and he knew the next question, that was easy sure this was the right answer he couldn't get this one wrong. "Professor there are famous witches and wizard card you get them from chocolate frogs." Simon was hoping he was right, he was confident that he had got it wrong. "There cards right and since Tarots are cards maybe they are part of the same thing."

Imsosikk07 01-13-2011 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by fanficfanatict (Post 10105846)
Selina after her outburst from earlier raised her hand once more, "Excuse me Professor? Isn't The Lovers another one? I remember seeing it in an old muggle movie with my grandfather. It was made back over seventy years ago or so."
Elektra was about to say exactly what Selina said and Elektra quickly put her hand down and she huffs. Gaaaah that is the only one I know! She gave another look to Selina and then just sat back and just wrote. That was the best shot she had in this class at this point.

littledhampir 01-13-2011 10:48 PM
Isobel raised her hand. "Professor, isn't there a page card?" The only thing she knew about Tarot cards were from books, and she wasn't sure if that was real or not...

Amira With a C 01-13-2011 10:51 PM
Parke raised his hand. "Death is one." Also the most understood card, apparently. This class wasn't too bad. What a relief

PattyH. 01-13-2011 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10105829)
"The Major Arcana, in contrast, are the 'big secrets', important milestones, events that we can't control, changes and growth. There are 22 cards inthe Major Arcana, all of which are associated with Spirit as their element and are numbered zero through twenty-one. Jake and Treyen seem to have given us three of the cards already, but would anyone else like to provide any of the others?
Patroclus felt very chuffed with himself, when Professor Bishop mentioned him in her explaination.

However Patroclus was less chuffed when a young Lioness arrived late, yes it was due to family issues, but still he made a mental note to chat to Professor Donovan about it later. Returning to the lesson, Patroclus raised his hand, "Professor the power of the Christian church was seen to affect even the Major Arcana deck, for certain cards were renamed for Chrisitian bases societies, for example what was usually called the 'Death' card was sometimes swapped to be the 'Grim Reaper' and like-wise with 'The Hierophant' which changed to the 'The Pope'"

Yep Yep, Patroclus knew his cards!

Luinevaug 01-13-2011 11:00 PM
Luin took quick notes on the details that the professor elaborated on and then started to jot down the answers already given about the major arcana.

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Fool, Devil, Tower, High priestess, World, Lovers, Death
She then raised her hand to mention another card, "There is also a major arcana card called The Hanged Man."

Imsosikk07 01-13-2011 11:02 PM
Elektra tried to think then she raised ehr hand and just took a shot at the answer now. "Uhmm I think there is one called the Angel, but I could be wrong. I took a guess." she said with a slight chuckle.

Lockhartian 01-13-2011 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Zoerawrr (Post 10105838)
"I know," Jake nodded. Well... sometimes he did have to dumb himself down for Treyen but here the kid was understanding. Good for him. ^_^

So, Jake considered that for a moment. "Well, if you mean reversed, then... yes, I agree." With a bit of it. Like, not the emotional blackmail. Jake couldn't do that.

Couldn't argue with the truth.

"There should be a card for 'arrogant little brat', Professor. Don't you agree?" Jake stated, raising his hand again.

Totally innocent suggestion.
Eyebrow raised again.

In all fairness, whatever his sister seems to think about this boy couldn't be far from reality, she needed her mind checked, for sure. All those Bludgers were to blame.

"Unfortunately, no, not reversed." And he didn't miss the last thing Jake said either. Perhaps he ought to try out for Beater and aim a Bludger at his head. Take out the Seeker, no?

The boy was raising his hand, like for the eleventh time since class started, or since the discussion started and shook his head, "I think it quite egoistic of Mr. Morgan to be thinking of having his own card made."

But then he added more, "There is also 'The Emperor', which I personally find interesting for its nature of controlling the uncontrollable." Which in this case, will be Bishop. She won't gain control over the things she couldn't, right?

ArianaBlack 01-13-2011 11:10 PM
Nika was very excited because she finally knew how to answer one of the questions! Nika raised her hand eagerly awaiting to be called on to give her answer when it was her turn she said confidently I remember reading about these cards in a book. I believe there is one for strength and I also recall that there is one for justice. Nika beamed because she knew that she had given a good answer alas all that reading paid of.

Roselyn 01-13-2011 11:19 PM
Really, she needed to find a better way to... well...

Couldn't they play with fire or something!?

Lazily writing down a few notes, the Slytherin rubbed her eyes and blinked a few times before taking a deep breath and sitting up straight. She really didn't want to, but, she could feel her concentration slipping gradually as the minutes ticked by. Hmm, maybe if she scooted a little closer to Josh, she'd stay awake. Teehee.

"There is the Hermit card." she said simply after raising her hand. Yup, she remembered that one. Used it for one of her assignments. Quite a self explanatory card.

Felixir 01-13-2011 11:23 PM
LOL, that was a nice touch. I... think I'll stop now.
 
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Originally Posted by Lockhartian (Post 10105921)
Eyebrow raised again.

In all fairness, whatever his sister seems to think about this boy couldn't be far from reality, she needed her mind checked, for sure. All those Bludgers were to blame.

"Unfortunately, no, not reversed." And he didn't miss the last thing Jake said either. Perhaps he ought to try out for Beater and aim a Bludger at his head. Take out the Seeker, no?

The boy was raising his hand, like for the eleventh time since class started, or since the discussion started and shook his head, "I think it quite egoistic of Mr. Morgan to be thinking of having his own card made."

But then he added more, "There is also 'The Emperor', which I personally find interesting for its nature of controlling the uncontrollable." Which in this case, will be Bishop. She won't gain control over the things she couldn't, right?
Not reversed? Well that was just odd. "I think you need to re-observe the meanings of the cards, Lockhart," Jake said neutrally. Security? Maybe... but the rest? He had no material desire or lust or any of that... but things like uncontrolled ambition, true evil and being bonded to certain situations (like his third year...)

Poor little Lockhart. So naiive and, quite frankly- wait, what?

That little...

He had just BETTER wait for tryouts. Jake would knock him off his broom.

And incorporate sand into that somehow.

"You misinterpreted me," he said simply, and sat back in his chair. HE wouldn't say another one. He'd already given the professor two. He'd give others a chance.

For now, he'd silently scrunch up a page of parchment. He'd get the boy on his way out if anything.

Jake_Lockley8672 01-13-2011 11:28 PM
Jamie raised her hand,"There is The Moon card. It's card number eighteen and it has the meanings of dreams and psychic impressions when upright but the reverse is deception."it was one of her favorite cards...if you could have a favorite.

Anna Banana 01-13-2011 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10105829)
"The Major Arcana, in contrast, are the 'big secrets', important milestones, events that we can't control, changes and growth. There are 22 cards inthe Major Arcana, all of which are associated with Spirit as their element and are numbered zero through twenty-one. Jake and Treyen seem to have given us three of the cards already, but would anyone else like to provide any of the others?

SPOILER!!: Major Arcana
the Fool
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the Devil
the Tower
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ooc: You know the drill. One per answer, no edits, etc.
"The Hermit," Sierra suggested, her hand raised high in the air.

She didn't think anyone had said that one yet. She hoped not, at least. She also didn't really know what 'The Hermit' meant when it came to Divination and tarot cards, but she'd at least heard of a hermit crab before. Sooo not the same thing, or anywhere close to being the same thing, but at least it'd helped her remember one of the cards' names.

Lowering her hand, she returned to absentmindedly twirling a lock of her hair with her fingers while she waited for the lesson to continue.

XxPandoraXx 01-13-2011 11:52 PM
Pandora raised her hand. "There is 'The Tower' card, professor. It is the sixteenth trump card in a deck. It always comes after 'The Devil' card, and is considered a bad omen. When it is right side up, it can be interpreted as failure, ego, and false pretenses."

Fira 01-13-2011 11:54 PM
Tarot cards. Hehehehe. Josh knew most of them. So he moved a little and raised his hand to mention one Major Arcana card ''Professor...'' the Gryffindor said kindly, a little smile appearing on his face ''...there's also The Sun!'' then he looked at Evelyn to see what she was doing. Oh, if only the professor told them to perform a tarot card reading. Josh would intently perform a reading for Evelyn.

Ashy Malfoy 01-13-2011 11:57 PM
"There is the Wheel of Fortune too. It's used to see a change in someones life, usually in a big way" Tyrone said softly. He liked Divination and had done some research on it beforehand

SweetPeea 01-13-2011 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10105829)
"Anyway, back to the Minor Arcana," she finally said, getting herself back on track. "The literal intent of that name is 'lesser secrets', and most commonly the meanings brought by those cards depict anything related to everyday life, explained by the suits, the natural elements attached to each suit, wands to fire, cups to water, swords to air and coins or pentacles to earth, and the specific numbers attached to each card. The numbered cards represent everyday events, while the court cards in each suit, or the king, queen, knight and page, can describe people, or significant details of a person."

"The Major Arcana, in contrast, are the 'big secrets', important milestones, events that we can't control, changes and growth. There are 22 cards inthe Major Arcana, all of which are associated with Spirit as their element and are numbered zero through twenty-one. Jake and Treyen seem to have given us three of the cards already, but would anyone else like to provide any of the others?

SPOILER!!: Major Arcana
the Fool
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the Devil
the Tower
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ooc: You know the drill. One per answer, no edits, etc.
Violet heard all of the answers everyone was saying. She even heard Selina and Elektra's answers. Violet then eagerly raised her hand saying cheerfully,"Professor, there is also the Star!" Violet smiled brightly feeling proud of herself.

lemondrop13 01-14-2011 12:06 AM
Bennet tried to suggest a card that hadn't already been mentioned, "Temperance? Isn't that one?" Bennet hoped he hadn't made that up. He flipped to the index of his Divination text looking for explanation of the Major Arcana to confirm his answer.

iBeJenn 01-14-2011 12:10 AM
Honestly, Selena was lost when it came to tarots. She only found the cards pretty and she couldn't even remember the names of half of them. Still, she struggled to remember one of the few she could. "I think the moon is one of them..?" Selena said uncertainly after raising her hand. She couldn't quite remember.

The Grey Lady 01-14-2011 12:37 AM
"The Magician?" Pandora asked, her hand raised. Well, it seemed to be the one that most fit everyone didn't it? Technically witches and wizards were magicians since they performed magic..

Pandora retained a chuckle, focusing on the lesson. Oh her and her frivilous mind.

Kaos.Doodles 01-14-2011 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10105829)
Ready to head back into her discussion of the Minor Arcana, Renée was distracted by a bit of friction between the other two Hufflepuffs she had been intending to keep an eye on. She hadn't missed Treyen's reaction to the topic, but it seemed taking it out on Jake was a bit off. Even if she was the slightest bit grateful it seemed he wasn't taking it out on her anymore. "Yes, Jake. Tarot not only depicts people, but there are a few that depict other concepts," she replied, with a glance at Treyen as it seemed they were using significator cards against each other. "We'll discuss that in a moment." First things first, and she hoped there wouldn't be any more interruptions.



Of course, that hope seemed unfounded, as she watched a girl choose now to enter the lesson. Inwardly sighing, she smiled briefly at the Gryffindor. "I thank you for the apology, but since the lesson has begun I'll need to take a point from Gryffindor. You're welcome to join us, however, if you can pick up the discussion," she said politely. It was up to her, but she was going to get back to her discussion. After glancing once again at the spot near the wall, as if she expected a response from the invisible.

"Anyway, back to the Minor Arcana," she finally said, getting herself back on track. "The literal intent of that name is 'lesser secrets', and most commonly the meanings brought by those cards depict anything related to everyday life, explained by the suits, the natural elements attached to each suit, wands to fire, cups to water, swords to air and coins or pentacles to earth, and the specific numbers attached to each card. The numbered cards represent everyday events, while the court cards in each suit, or the king, queen, knight and page, can describe people, or significant details of a person."

"The Major Arcana, in contrast, are the 'big secrets', important milestones, events that we can't control, changes and growth. There are 22 cards inthe Major Arcana, all of which are associated with Spirit as their element and are numbered zero through twenty-one. Jake and Treyen seem to have given us three of the cards already, but would anyone else like to provide any of the others?

SPOILER!!: Major Arcana
the Fool
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the Devil
the Tower
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ooc: You know the drill. One per answer, no edits, etc.
Seriously? How would he know. Legend yawned then raised his hand. "The...erm....Pig. Yeah it symbolized....being a pig? Or like...the he Hanged Man. Yeah i'll go with that." Yeah, like there would really be a card for that. Could he go to sleep now?

Hermiedlyn Granjoy 01-14-2011 12:53 AM
ooh.. Tarot Cards. uhmm i know one..Edlyn raised her hand quickly.

"Professor, the Sword? it is associated by mind and truth . It represents our mind and al the inherent in them.
This also includes our rational thought, our ability to learn and remember, our consciousness and awareness and our perceptions. The suit points to our abilities to consider, to contrast and compare, to weigh the evidence, and to make a decision. It signifies our insights and awareness, our ability to inquire, analyze, synthesize and investigate. It also represents legal arrangements: contracts, leases, agreements, purchase documents and the like. Likewise, it can symbolize the legal, political and judicial systems - the courts, the laws at every level and the governance dominanting one's environment. " Edlyn finished her answer half breathing. She's not sure if it's correct but she tried it anyway.

Hera 01-14-2011 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10105829)
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"The Major Arcana, in contrast, are the 'big secrets', important milestones, events that we can't control, changes and growth. There are 22 cards inthe Major Arcana, all of which are associated with Spirit as their element and are numbered zero through twenty-one. Jake and Treyen seem to have given us three of the cards already, but would anyone else like to provide any of the others?

ooc: You know the drill. One per answer, no edits, etc.
Emily raised her hand. She had only had a browse through a deck of those cards the other night.
"Professor there is a strength card." she said.

top94a 01-14-2011 01:29 AM
Raven raised his hand, he need to participate in class. "err, professor, there is Star in tarot card" Raven say more on question than an answer, he didn't remember if anyone say it

Wenzlebug 01-14-2011 02:19 AM
Hm. Cards. Well... "The High Priestess... my apologies if that one has already been mentioned," Cedric answered upon raising his hand. He repressed a yawn as he leaned back on his chair. Would they be performing tarot cards readings soon? Hopefully so!

scarsandtetris 01-14-2011 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10104795)
SPOILER!!: divination list
Aeromancy
Aichmomancy
Apantomancy
Astrology
Austromancy
Cartopedy
Cheiromancy/Palmistry
Cleromancy
Crystallomancy (crystal balls)
Geloscopy
Geomancy
Hydromancy
Lithomancy
Nephomancy
Oneiromancy
Pyromancy
Rune casting/runic divination
Stolismancy
Tasseomancy
Tiromancy


"You'll notice a few of the forms that were mentioned aren't up here as of yet, but there's a reason," she added then, with a brief glance at Mr Lockhart as he seemed to get into a bit of an issue with Jake. She'd keep her eye on those two, along with the spot by the wall where she still knew she was being watched. It made things interesting, really. "And I'd imagine Professor Truebridge could shed a bit more light on the subject of Runic divination, so we'll let that one stay to the side for now." She could answer questions as well, but the lesson needed to keep moving.[/COLOR]


SPOILER!!: divination list with additions
Aeromancy
Aichmomancy
Apantomancy
Arithmancy/Numerology
Astrology
Austromancy
Cartomancy/Taromancy *
Cartopedy
Cheiromancy/Palmistry
Cleromancy
Crystallomancy (crystal balls)
Geloscopy
Geomancy
Hydromancy
Lithomancy
Nephomancy
Oneiromancy
Pyromancy
Rune casting/runic divination
Stolismancy
Tasseomancy
Tiromancy


Completing their divination list, as established by the students, Renée turned back to the students who'd spoke about tarot cards with another smile. "It seems you might be a bit hopeful about that subject," she said to the two who had mentioned them by name, before turning back to the class as a whole. "Cartomancy, or its similar cousin Taromancy, is quite the delicate study. As was mentioned, it can most commonly be considered reading cards, Taromancy being more specific to the Tarot while basic cartomancy can use any form of cards. Actually, most common is a basic deck of Muggle playing cards. And there's another offshoot that simply uses what are known as oracle decks, which is a bit more, well specific than either divination with playing cards or Tarot cards," she said, moving slightly toward the bookshelf as she spoke. If anyone was curious, she could explain their uses as well, but at a later time.

"For now, let's stick with the basics, though," she continued. "Maybe with the Tarot." And her discussion was turning a bit more casual, it seemed. "Does anyone want to offer a fact or two about the Tarot? Anything about the specific cards in the deck, or whatever else you can think of." Then maybe they could look into the correlation between that deck and the others. It would depend on what she got right now.

ooc: As usual, try to stick with only one fact, etc. per post. Let others get a word in. :) Try not to get too into chats as well and things will continue later. With more fun.
While Professor Bishop and the other students continued with the discussion, Charley wrote down all of the forms on the extended list, checking before each one to ensure she spelled them all correctly. Divination was definitely not one of her better subjects. She planned to study each form later, and to transcribe their definitions and uses.
There is always a way to be better. If I take good notes and pay close to attention-to Professor Bishop, anyway-I know I can do well in this class.
Good for you. I gave up on Divination and Ancient Runes after first year because I didn't do well. Too confusing for me, Henry interjected, proving he was always able to find when to pop into her thoughts.
I can't imagine why, Charley responded sarcastically. Now can you quit interrupting during classes? I actually need to learn all of this stuff, Henry.
Yeah, yeah. I'll try to reach you another time. Write the times you should be free in your next letter, okay?
Well, I don't exactly know when that really is; I've been here a week. But I'll put my schedule down, so you have some idea.
Okay, okay. Take good notes, kid! I know you can do well. Love you, Charley.
Thanks, I love you too, Henry, she responded, and found herself nearly drained of energy. She'd forgotten how hard it was to censor her thoughts so much. She had to, of course, with her brother seeing in. She wondered if Professor Bishop knew anything about thought projection.
Maybe I'll ask after class, she decided, knowing it was definitely not a good idea to ask during class. Time to learn more about tarot cards.
She began to jot down the names of all the cards she heard her classmates mentioning.

sweetpinkpixie 01-14-2011 03:05 AM
Kurumi raised her hand again. "Professor, I believe there is Judgement. It's number 20 in the deck. I've read that its design and form is based on the Christian belief of the Last Judgement." Kurumi paused for a moment to gather her thoughts. "I believe that it represents pending judgments or undecided decisions. Since it also could represent ressurection, it may also be interpretated as the return of someone or something from your past."

Starbreeze 01-14-2011 03:18 AM
Eino raised his hand, feeling very eager to participate, "There is also The Empress, which I believe is associated with fertility, maternity, and beauty." He shared and quickly returned to his quill and parchment to take very detailed and specific notes on the various answers shared by his classmates and the Professor's responses and elaborations. He was hoping the professor would hand out tarot cars and teach them how to read them, now that would be fun!

Buggy-Boo 01-14-2011 03:50 AM
"Professor there is the Lovers card, which is number 6...I think.." Ronnie added. She couldn't believe how brave she was being talking up in class. Usually she didn't talk becuase then people would look at her...and umm..when alot of people looked at her she usually had one of her episodes...that was never good.

She was scared she was going to have one everytime she went to a class. She didn't want to make a secne, plus then she would miss the lesson. She pulled a note out of her pocket...scared knowing she was going to have to give it to the professor after class.

Tazenhani 01-14-2011 05:52 AM
Sabel had been listening quietly, tapping his quill off his paper as he listened. When it came to asking about the Major Arcane, most of them were already listed. "There's cared 7, the Chariot, otherwise known as the Child of the Powers of the Waters and the Lord of the Triumph of Light." Rather epic names. "Perhaps having to do with light and water, in the form of overcoming adversaries or challenges and moving forward, as water moves past it's barriers and light comes from the hope of success." Seemed rather fitting for some circumstances, especially those graduating this year. Though the light in that case was debatable and not something he wanted to think about at the moment.

Ikenna Gevrik 01-14-2011 05:58 AM
Hufflepuffs. Ha!

Smirking ever so slightly, Ikenna rubbed at his goatee from his corner of the classroom and slowly shifted his weight from one foot to the other.

It was not noticeable, for he was still invisible, but he had also turned his attention from watching the professor to watching the classroom.

After all, he was here for..........the children.

Steelsheen 01-14-2011 05:58 AM
ze Prof (Sal says hi to Emma retroactively ;))
 
Text Cut: Professor Hawtness
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10102101)

Of course, that hope seemed unfounded, as she watched a girl choose now to enter the lesson. Inwardly sighing, she smiled briefly at the Gryffindor. "I thank you for the apology, but since the lesson has begun I'll need to take a point from Gryffindor. You're welcome to join us, however, if you can pick up the discussion," she said politely. It was up to her, but she was going to get back to her discussion. After glancing once again at the spot near the wall, as if she expected a response from the invisible.

"Anyway, back to the Minor Arcana," she finally said, getting herself back on track. "The literal intent of that name is 'lesser secrets', and most commonly the meanings brought by those cards depict anything related to everyday life, explained by the suits, the natural elements attached to each suit, wands to fire, cups to water, swords to air and coins or pentacles to earth, and the specific numbers attached to each card. The numbered cards represent everyday events, while the court cards in each suit, or the king, queen, knight and page, can describe people, or significant details of a person."

"The Major Arcana, in contrast, are the 'big secrets', important milestones, events that we can't control, changes and growth. There are 22 cards inthe Major Arcana, all of which are associated with Spirit as their element and are numbered zero through twenty-one. Jake and Treyen seem to have given us three of the cards already, but would anyone else like to provide any of the others?

SPOILER!!: Major Arcana
the Fool
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the Devil
the Tower
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ooc: You know the drill. One per answer, no edits, etc.

Zoning out.... thats like meditating right? Whichever is the case, thats the only thing the Slytherin lad was doing since he laid eyes on the Divinations Professor. The discussion seemed to him like birds chirping and bees buzzing-- he could hear them not necessarily understand them

After all he is Slytherin, shouldnt he be more partial to Parseltongue?

Ah but the lovely brunette in front of the class started to speak about the Major Arcana and Salander suddenly remembered the homework from last term, "Uh there's the Elephant...." then paused. No that wasnt it, there were no large grey mammals in there "Uhm I mean, there's something called the Pope?"

Canoir Greengrass 01-14-2011 06:07 AM
Freya listened carefully as Professor Bishop explaining to them about the History of Tarot and the deck. Then the Professor mentioned about major arcana, she remembered some of them it's kinda hard to forget if your mother kept talking about it every time. She raised her hand before answering the question "There's the Lover, Professor." she paused for a moment "is the sixth trump of the Major Arcana card and it represents relationships and choices" she added.

SilverTiger 01-14-2011 08:12 AM
We still seeee you, Ikenna ;) Metaphorically.
 
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Originally Posted by leridanusws (Post 10105836)
Lila raised her hand. "The high priestess is part of the major arcana," she replied.
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Originally Posted by Macavity (Post 10105844)
Looking over the three already given that had been written into his notes, the sixth year thought on one he himself could give as answer. "Theres the World card," Simon supplied after raising his hand. It had been one that almost always seemed to come up when he practiced a reading.
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Originally Posted by fanficfanatict (Post 10105846)
Selina after her outburst from earlier raised her hand once more, "Excuse me Professor? Isn't The Lovers another one? I remember seeing it in an old muggle movie with my grandfather. It was made back over seventy years ago or so."
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Originally Posted by Amira With a C (Post 10105891)
Parke raised his hand. "Death is one." Also the most understood card, apparently. This class wasn't too bad. What a relief
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Originally Posted by PattyH. (Post 10105908)
Patroclus felt very chuffed with himself, when Professor Bishop mentioned him in her explaination.

However Patroclus was less chuffed when a young Lioness arrived late, yes it was due to family issues, but still he made a mental note to chat to Professor Donovan about it later. Returning to the lesson, Patroclus raised his hand, "Professor the power of the Christian church was seen to affect even the Major Arcana deck, for certain cards were renamed for Chrisitian bases societies, for example what was usually called the 'Death' card was sometimes swapped to be the 'Grim Reaper' and like-wise with 'The Hierophant' which changed to the 'The Pope'"

Yep Yep, Patroclus knew his cards!
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Originally Posted by Luinevaug (Post 10105912)
Luin took quick notes on the details that the professor elaborated on and then started to jot down the answers already given about the major arcana.



She then raised her hand to mention another card, "There is also a major arcana card called The Hanged Man."
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Originally Posted by ArianaBlack (Post 10105935)
Nika was very excited because she finally knew how to answer one of the questions! Nika raised her hand eagerly awaiting to be called on to give her answer when it was her turn she said confidently I remember reading about these cards in a book. I believe there is one for strength and I also recall that there is one for justice. Nika beamed because she knew that she had given a good answer alas all that reading paid of.
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Originally Posted by Roselyn (Post 10105956)
Really, she needed to find a better way to... well...

Couldn't they play with fire or something!?

Lazily writing down a few notes, the Slytherin rubbed her eyes and blinked a few times before taking a deep breath and sitting up straight. She really didn't want to, but, she could feel her concentration slipping gradually as the minutes ticked by. Hmm, maybe if she scooted a little closer to Josh, she'd stay awake. Teehee.

"There is the Hermit card." she said simply after raising her hand. Yup, she remembered that one. Used it for one of her assignments. Quite a self explanatory card.
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Originally Posted by Jake_Lockley8672 (Post 10105969)
Jamie raised her hand,"There is The Moon card. It's card number eighteen and it has the meanings of dreams and psychic impressions when upright but the reverse is deception."it was one of her favorite cards...if you could have a favorite.
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Originally Posted by Anna Banana (Post 10105988)
"The Hermit," Sierra suggested, her hand raised high in the air.

She didn't think anyone had said that one yet. She hoped not, at least. She also didn't really know what 'The Hermit' meant when it came to Divination and tarot cards, but she'd at least heard of a hermit crab before. Sooo not the same thing, or anywhere close to being the same thing, but at least it'd helped her remember one of the cards' names.

Lowering her hand, she returned to absentmindedly twirling a lock of her hair with her fingers while she waited for the lesson to continue.
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Originally Posted by XxPandoraXx (Post 10106026)
Pandora raised her hand. "There is 'The Tower' card, professor. It is the sixteenth trump card in a deck. It always comes after 'The Devil' card, and is considered a bad omen. When it is right side up, it can be interpreted as failure, ego, and false pretenses."
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Originally Posted by Lara_the_Firelady (Post 10106030)
Tarot cards. Hehehehe. Josh knew most of them. So he moved a little and raised his hand to mention one Major Arcana card ''Professor...'' the Gryffindor said kindly, a little smile appearing on his face ''...there's also The Sun!'' then he looked at Evelyn to see what she was doing. Oh, if only the professor told them to perform a tarot card reading. Josh would intently perform a reading for Evelyn.
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Originally Posted by Ashy Malfoy (Post 10106035)
"There is the Wheel of Fortune too. It's used to see a change in someones life, usually in a big way" Tyrone said softly. He liked Divination and had done some research on it beforehand
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Originally Posted by SweetPeea (Post 10106036)
Violet heard all of the answers everyone was saying. She even heard Selina and Elektra's answers. Violet then eagerly raised her hand saying cheerfully,"Professor, there is also the Star!" Violet smiled brightly feeling proud of herself.
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Originally Posted by lemondrop13 (Post 10106061)
Bennet tried to suggest a card that hadn't already been mentioned, "Temperance? Isn't that one?" Bennet hoped he hadn't made that up. He flipped to the index of his Divination text looking for explanation of the Major Arcana to confirm his answer.
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Originally Posted by xiiWishiWasYours (Post 10106072)
Honestly, Selena was lost when it came to tarots. She only found the cards pretty and she couldn't even remember the names of half of them. Still, she struggled to remember one of the few she could. "I think the moon is one of them..?" Selena said uncertainly after raising her hand. She couldn't quite remember.
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Originally Posted by The Grey Lady (Post 10106131)
"The Magician?" Pandora asked, her hand raised. Well, it seemed to be the one that most fit everyone didn't it? Technically witches and wizards were magicians since they performed magic..

Pandora retained a chuckle, focusing on the lesson. Oh her and her frivilous mind.
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Originally Posted by Emily_Potter (Post 10106258)
Emily raised her hand. She had only had a browse through a deck of those cards the other night.
"Professor there is a strength card." she said.
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Originally Posted by top94a (Post 10106262)
Raven raised his hand, he need to participate in class. "err, professor, there is Star in tarot card" Raven say more on question than an answer, he didn't remember if anyone say it
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Originally Posted by Wenzlebug (Post 10106364)
Hm. Cards. Well... "The High Priestess... my apologies if that one has already been mentioned," Cedric answered upon raising his hand. He repressed a yawn as he leaned back on his chair. Would they be performing tarot cards readings soon? Hopefully so!
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Originally Posted by sweetpinkpixie (Post 10106520)
Kurumi raised her hand again. "Professor, I believe there is Judgement. It's number 20 in the deck. I've read that its design and form is based on the Christian belief of the Last Judgement." Kurumi paused for a moment to gather her thoughts. "I believe that it represents pending judgments or undecided decisions. Since it also could represent ressurection, it may also be interpretated as the return of someone or something from your past."
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Originally Posted by Starbreeze (Post 10106591)
Eino raised his hand, feeling very eager to participate, "There is also The Empress, which I believe is associated with fertility, maternity, and beauty." He shared and quickly returned to his quill and parchment to take very detailed and specific notes on the various answers shared by his classmates and the Professor's responses and elaborations. He was hoping the professor would hand out tarot cars and teach them how to read them, now that would be fun!
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Originally Posted by Stethoscope12 (Post 10106714)
"Professor there is the Lovers card, which is number 6...I think.." Ronnie added. She couldn't believe how brave she was being talking up in class. Usually she didn't talk becuase then people would look at her...and umm..when alot of people looked at her she usually had one of her episodes...that was never good.

She was scared she was going to have one everytime she went to a class. She didn't want to make a secne, plus then she would miss the lesson. She pulled a note out of her pocket...scared knowing she was going to have to give it to the professor after class.
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Originally Posted by Tazenhani (Post 10106935)
Sabel had been listening quietly, tapping his quill off his paper as he listened. When it came to asking about the Major Arcane, most of them were already listed. "There's cared 7, the Chariot, otherwise known as the Child of the Powers of the Waters and the Lord of the Triumph of Light." Rather epic names. "Perhaps having to do with light and water, in the form of overcoming adversaries or challenges and moving forward, as water moves past it's barriers and light comes from the hope of success." Seemed rather fitting for some circumstances, especially those graduating this year. Though the light in that case was debatable and not something he wanted to think about at the moment.
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Originally Posted by Canoir Greengrass (Post 10106955)
Freya listened carefully as Professor Bishop explaining to them about the History of Tarot and the deck. Then the Professor mentioned about major arcana, she remembered some of them it's kinda hard to forget if your mother kept talking about it every time. She raised her hand before answering the question "There's the Lover, Professor." she paused for a moment "is the sixth trump of the Major Arcana card and it represents relationships and choices" she added.


Renée gave the class another smile as at least half of them had shot thier hands up and offered the names of cards in the Major Arcana. Instinctively, she knew it was probably due to them having learned them before, at least in the case of the older students. But then, that was part of why she'd decided to teach it in the first lesson. The Tarot was one of the easier forms of Divination to grasp, and possibly one of the least frustrating. At least, less frustrating when one wasn't dealing with what seemed to be a mini-insurrection and invisible onlookers. Either way, she wasn't going to falter. "Good job," she replied to those who had answered, ading each one to the list that had already been started. "It seems you all remember quite a bit, and an extra point to those who decided to go into a bit of detail," she added. Not to make those who hadn't feel bad, but just to give a bit of a reward to those who had felt the need.

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Originally Posted by Harry174 (Post 10105848)
Simon looked at the Professor. "I do think so." Simon couldn't believe that he had got another one wrong but at least he was trying and he knew the next question, that was easy sure this was the right answer he couldn't get this one wrong. "Professor there are famous witches and wizard card you get them from chocolate frogs." Simon was hoping he was right, he was confident that he had got it wrong. "There cards right and since Tarots are cards maybe they are part of the same thing."
Renée gave another little special smile to the little Huffie who had been so amusing, as he had tried his hardest to continue to answer. It almost reminded her of Jared's insistence he was horrible at the subject, really. "Unfortunately, no. Chocolate Frog cards aren't actually part of the Tarot. But maybe you could try and set up your own oracular cards using them. There is a theory that any cards can be used for some form of Divination," she replied to him gently. It would certainly be an interesting project. It was something to think about, maybe later in the term.

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Originally Posted by Imsosikk07 (Post 10105917)
Elektra tried to think then she raised ehr hand and just took a shot at the answer now. "Uhmm I think there is one called the Angel, but I could be wrong. I took a guess." she said with a slight chuckle.

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Originally Posted by Kaos.Doodles (Post 10106176)
Seriously? How would he know. Legend yawned then raised his hand. "The...erm....Pig. Yeah it symbolized....being a pig? Or like...the he Hanged Man. Yeah i'll go with that." Yeah, like there would really be a card for that. Could he go to sleep now?
Then Renée smiled at the other two who had tried to answer, but been just the slightest bit off. "That was definitely a good guess, Miss Draven, but surprisingly no. The Angel is not part of the Tarot, or at least the traditional Tarot. There might be some variations which might depcit something similar however," she replied to the young Slytherin, before glancing at Mr. Chosen with a bit of a grin. "I'd be interested to know what version of the Tarot would use regular animals, Mr. Chosen, but a point for trying to come up with a meaning. And yes, the Hanged Man is one of the Major Arcana. Representing sacrifice and looking at things from a different perspective." Something she wondered if the boy related to a tiny bit, when he wasn't trying to sleep through class.

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Originally Posted by Steelsheen (Post 10106949)
Zoning out.... thats like meditating right? Whichever is the case, thats the only thing the Slytherin lad was doing since he laid eyes on the Divinations Professor. The discussion seemed to him like birds chirping and bees buzzing-- he could hear them not necessarily understand them

After all he is Slytherin, shouldnt he be more partial to Parseltongue?

Ah but the lovely brunette in front of the class started to speak about the Major Arcana and Salander suddenly remembered the homework from last term, "Uh there's the Elephant...." then paused. No that wasnt it, there were no large grey mammals in there "Uhm I mean, there's something called the Pope?"
And the Slytherin boy from the beginning of class seemed to have snapped out of his stupor, for which Renée had another thought about Jared and all his fans. At least he had an attempt at an answer, so she sent him a smile. "I believe you're thinking about the Hierophant, Mr. Salander, which was already mentioned," she replied. "As Mr. Hudson also said, it in fact has also been known as the Pope. Appropriate for a card that commonly represents education, religious beliefs, power and discipline." To introduce a few of the basic tenets. As with all of the cards and their symbolism, the interpretation was often more important than the surface meanings.

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Originally Posted by EmilyMalfoy (Post 10105884)
Isobel raised her hand. "Professor, isn't there a page card?" The only thing she knew about Tarot cards were from books, and she wasn't sure if that was real or not...
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Originally Posted by Hermiedlyn Granjoy (Post 10106185)
ooh.. Tarot Cards. uhmm i know one..Edlyn raised her hand quickly.

"Professor, the Sword? it is associated by mind and truth . It represents our mind and al the inherent in them.
This also includes our rational thought, our ability to learn and remember, our consciousness and awareness and our perceptions. The suit points to our abilities to consider, to contrast and compare, to weigh the evidence, and to make a decision. It signifies our insights and awareness, our ability to inquire, analyze, synthesize and investigate. It also represents legal arrangements: contracts, leases, agreements, purchase documents and the like. Likewise, it can symbolize the legal, political and judicial systems - the courts, the laws at every level and the governance dominanting one's environment. " Edlyn finished her answer half breathing. She's not sure if it's correct but she tried it anyway.
Renée then turned her attention to two of the young girls in the class, who had tried to come up with answers. She appreciated the attempts, as she had everyone else, and for that she gave them yet another smile. "The Page and sword are indeed part of the Tarot, but actually they're included in the Minor Arcana. Swords are one of the four suits, and the Page is one of the four court cards. They do have meanings, however, as every card in the Tarot does." Well, there were four pages in a deck, but the concept still stood. And in fact Miss Molina had included that in her explanation, noting that it was a suit. She'd just been a bit late in her answer.


Text Cut: Huffies at war
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Originally Posted by Zoerawrr (Post 10105838)
"I know," Jake nodded. Well... sometimes he did have to dumb himself down for Treyen but here the kid was understanding. Good for him. ^_^

So, Jake considered that for a moment. "Well, if you mean reversed, then... yes, I agree." With a bit of it. Like, not the emotional blackmail. Jake couldn't do that.

Couldn't argue with the truth.

"There should be a card for 'arrogant little brat', Professor. Don't you agree?" Jake stated, raising his hand again.

Totally innocent suggestion.
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Originally Posted by Lockhartian (Post 10105921)
Eyebrow raised again.

In all fairness, whatever his sister seems to think about this boy couldn't be far from reality, she needed her mind checked, for sure. All those Bludgers were to blame.

"Unfortunately, no, not reversed." And he didn't miss the last thing Jake said either. Perhaps he ought to try out for Beater and aim a Bludger at his head. Take out the Seeker, no?

The boy was raising his hand, like for the eleventh time since class started, or since the discussion started and shook his head, "I think it quite egoistic of Mr. Morgan to be thinking of having his own card made."

But then he added more, "There is also 'The Emperor', which I personally find interesting for its nature of controlling the uncontrollable." Which in this case, will be Bishop. She won't gain control over the things she couldn't, right?
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Originally Posted by Zoerawrr (Post 10105962)
Not reversed? Well that was just odd. "I think you need to re-observe the meanings of the cards, Lockhart," Jake said neutrally. Security? Maybe... but the rest? He had no material desire or lust or any of that... but things like uncontrolled ambition, true evil and being bonded to certain situations (like his third year...)

Poor little Lockhart. So naiive and, quite frankly- wait, what?

That little...

He had just BETTER wait for tryouts. Jake would knock him off his broom.

And incorporate sand into that somehow.

"You misinterpreted me," he said simply, and sat back in his chair. HE wouldn't say another one. He'd already given the professor two. He'd give others a chance.

For now, he'd silently scrunch up a page of parchment. He'd get the boy on his way out if anything.


And then she had the fun of dealing with Jake and Treyen, yet again. Or, actually, simply continuing their earlier battle. Renée had the feeling Treyen was simply trying to get on her case yet again, especially with the answer he'd given to contribute to the discussion, but she wasn't about to let it get to her. Not right now, and not when she'd hoped he had come to the conclusion it was better to simply go along with things than fight them. Of course, she wasn't about to let his war of words with Jake continue much longer either, as it could get distracting to the others if it kept going. "Jake, the Tarot is not intended to be used as a way of insulting people," she said calmly, for the moment ignoring Treyen's comment about the arrogance of making new cards even though it had been addressed to her. People created their own forms of oracular cards all the time, so the egotism wasn't really the point. However, she did raise an eyebrow slightly at his following response. That was the strike she'd been waiting for. "Yes. The Emperor is part of the Major Arcana. And in fact one interpretation of it can be the attempt to control the uncontrollable, or the need to accept that some things are not worth controlling. It also represents the masculine principle, balanced against the feminine principle represented by the Empress, as well as stability," she responded, before finally continuing her path toward the bookshelf an picking up one of the wrapped items that had been lying there, flicking her wand to finish off the list that had begun.
SPOILER!!: Major Arcana
the Fool
the Magician
the High Priestess
the Empress
the Emperor
the Hierophant
the Lovers
the Chariot
Strength
the Hermit
the Wheel of Fortune
Justice
the Hanged Man
Death
Temperance
the Devil
the Tower
the Star
the Moon
the Sun
Judgement
the World


Turning back to the class, package in hand, she took a breath before heading back to her desk. "Now that we've gotten that established, why don't we get into a bit about the spreads, as Mr. Owlwraith brought up earlier. He mentioned a few of them, but perhaps we could go into a bit more about the differences between them. The most common spread happens to be the Celtic Cross. Who wants to tell the class why that is?" A bit more discussion, and then maybe it would be time to start the practical portion of the lesson.

ArianaBlack 01-14-2011 08:31 AM
Nika smiled all that reading did pay off. She was finally able to earn some points for her house. She quickly took her quill and some spare parchment out of her bag and started to scribble down the different Major Arcana tarot cards. Nika looked around hoping that someone else would answer Professor Bishop's question, for she did not know the answer.

Random_Me_Ly_ 01-14-2011 09:48 AM
Heather wanted to take a guess so bad. She had a guess. Oh well she would try anyway. She raised her hand. "Many people in different cultures consider a cross to be some sort of sacrifice or belief. Does it stand for inspiration or protection, possibly death?" She asked.

BearyMay 01-14-2011 09:51 AM
Dianna listened to every single answer to the Professor's question. She wasn't very good in Divination but she wasn't bad either.

"Um..Because it can give you great insight into your environment, your hopes and fears, and your potential and it is simple, but powerful. They say a strong energy has built up around this spread due to its use by so many people over the years... Also the cross itself is a free-standing cross and has been used extensively as grave markers." she said as she lowered her hand.

Hera 01-14-2011 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10107164)

Turning back to the class, package in hand, she took a breath before heading back to her desk. "Now that we've gotten that established, why don't we get into a bit about the spreads, as Mr. Owlwraith brought up earlier. He mentioned a few of them, but perhaps we could go into a bit more about the differences between them. The most common spread happens to be the Celtic Cross. Who wants to tell the class why that is?" A bit more discussion, and then maybe it would be time to start the practical portion of the lesson.
Emily's hand shot up again, she was eager to earn her house points.
"The Celtic cross spread is particularly popular because the layout of the cards is quite simple and is also powerful. The layout is best described in two sections, firstly there is the cross which is made up of the first six cards, then there is whats known as the staff which is made up of cards seven to ten.
The central part of the cross relates to what is most important to you at the time of the reading, the larger cross referrs to your movement from past to future - left to right, and your unconscious to your conscious mind - bottom to top. The staff which form a line on the right hand side represents your life."

Rosiana Price 01-14-2011 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10107164)
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Renée gave the class another smile as at least half of them had shot thier hands up and offered the names of cards in the Major Arcana. Instinctively, she knew it was probably due to them having learned them before, at least in the case of the older students. But then, that was part of why she'd decided to teach it in the first lesson. The Tarot was one of the easier forms of Divination to grasp, and possibly one of the least frustrating. At least, less frustrating when one wasn't dealing with what seemed to be a mini-insurrection and invisible onlookers. Either way, she wasn't going to falter. "Good job," she replied to those who had answered, ading each one to the list that had already been started. "It seems you all remember quite a bit, and an extra point to those who decided to go into a bit of detail," she added. Not to make those who hadn't feel bad, but just to give a bit of a reward to those who had felt the need.



Renée gave another little special smile to the little Huffie who had been so amusing, as he had tried his hardest to continue to answer. It almost reminded her of Jared's insistence he was horrible at the subject, really. "Unfortunately, no. Chocolate Frog cards aren't actually part of the Tarot. But maybe you could try and set up your own oracular cards using them. There is a theory that any cards can be used for some form of Divination," she replied to him gently. It would certainly be an interesting project. It was something to think about, maybe later in the term.






Then Renée smiled at the other two who had tried to answer, but been just the slightest bit off. "That was definitely a good guess, Miss Draven, but surprisingly no. The Angel is not part of the Tarot, or at least the traditional Tarot. There might be some variations which might depcit something similar however," she replied to the young Slytherin, before glancing at Mr. Chosen with a bit of a grin. "I'd be interested to know what version of the Tarot would use regular animals, Mr. Chosen, but a point for trying to come up with a meaning. And yes, the Hanged Man is one of the Major Arcana. Representing sacrifice and looking at things from a different perspective." Something she wondered if the boy related to a tiny bit, when he wasn't trying to sleep through class.



And the Slytherin boy from the beginning of class seemed to have snapped out of his stupor, for which Renée had another thought about Jared and all his fans. At least he had an attempt at an answer, so she sent him a smile. "I believe you're thinking about the Hierophant, Mr. Salander, which was already mentioned," she replied. "As Mr. Hudson also said, it in fact has also been known as the Pope. Appropriate for a card that commonly represents education, religious beliefs, power and discipline." To introduce a few of the basic tenets. As with all of the cards and their symbolism, the interpretation was often more important than the surface meanings.





Renée then turned her attention to two of the young girls in the class, who had tried to come up with answers. She appreciated the attempts, as she had everyone else, and for that she gave them yet another smile. "The Page and sword are indeed part of the Tarot, but actually they're included in the Minor Arcana. Swords are one of the four suits, and the Page is one of the four court cards. They do have meanings, however, as every card in the Tarot does." Well, there were four pages in a deck, but the concept still stood. And in fact Miss Molina had included that in her explanation, noting that it was a suit. She'd just been a bit late in her answer.


Text Cut: Huffies at war






And then she had the fun of dealing with Jake and Treyen, yet again. Or, actually, simply continuing their earlier battle. Renée had the feeling Treyen was simply trying to get on her case yet again, especially with the answer he'd given to contribute to the discussion, but she wasn't about to let it get to her. Not right now, and not when she'd hoped he had come to the conclusion it was better to simply go along with things than fight them. Of course, she wasn't about to let his war of words with Jake continue much longer either, as it could get distracting to the others if it kept going. "Jake, the Tarot is not intended to be used as a way of insulting people," she said calmly, for the moment ignoring Treyen's comment about the arrogance of making new cards even though it had been addressed to her. People created their own forms of oracular cards all the time, so the egotism wasn't really the point. However, she did raise an eyebrow slightly at his following response. That was the strike she'd been waiting for. "Yes. The Emperor is part of the Major Arcana. And in fact one interpretation of it can be the attempt to control the uncontrollable, or the need to accept that some things are not worth controlling. It also represents the masculine principle, balanced against the feminine principle represented by the Empress, as well as stability," she responded, before finally continuing her path toward the bookshelf an picking up one of the wrapped items that had been lying there, flicking her wand to finish off the list that had begun.
SPOILER!!: Major Arcana
the Fool
the Magician
the High Priestess
the Empress
the Emperor
the Hierophant
the Lovers
the Chariot
Strength
the Hermit
the Wheel of Fortune
Justice
the Hanged Man
Death
Temperance
the Devil
the Tower
the Star
the Moon
the Sun
Judgement
the World


Turning back to the class, package in hand, she took a breath before heading back to her desk. "Now that we've gotten that established, why don't we get into a bit about the spreads, as Mr. Owlwraith brought up earlier. He mentioned a few of them, but perhaps we could go into a bit more about the differences between them. The most common spread happens to be the Celtic Cross. Who wants to tell the class why that is?" A bit more discussion, and then maybe it would be time to start the practical portion of the lesson.

Listening quietly and yet intently, at the professor's interesting lecture, Elle shot her hand up the moment she asked a question.

"In the Celtic Christian world it was put together with the Christian cross and this design was often used for high crosses – a free-standing cross from stone. It is often used for funerary purposes and possessed a great deal of energy, plus magic. The Celtic Cross was and is used to express everyone's white pride," She answered.

vijaya 01-14-2011 10:22 AM
Lucy was listening in the class very attentively as she was really interested to learn about the cards. She didn't really like them but she lovely to know a bit more about them. As the class was on professor asked a question to the class. Lucy knew this one but she was nervous, she didn't want to say anything wrong in the class. but then she decided to tell so she raised her hand and said "Professor, the most common spread happens to be the Celtic Cross, because it's the oldest and most popular pattern for reading the tarot, they are simple, but powerful. A strong energy has built up around this spread due to its use by so many people over the years." she said and paused to know what professor had to tell on that.

nogoodforyou 01-14-2011 10:28 AM
Helena raised her hand. "There are ten cards used, with five arranged in a cross and four placed vertically beside the cross and another one is placed horizontally across the central cards of the cross," she said, barely breathing, remembering something she read a few days ago from a book. "Also, each card has a different meaning."

lemondrop13 01-14-2011 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10107164)
Turning back to the class, package in hand, she took a breath before heading back to her desk. "Now that we've gotten that established, why don't we get into a bit about the spreads, as Mr. Owlwraith brought up earlier. He mentioned a few of them, but perhaps we could go into a bit more about the differences between them. The most common spread happens to be the Celtic Cross. Who wants to tell the class why that is?" A bit more discussion, and then maybe it would be time to start the practical portion of the lesson.
Thank goodness for books. Bennet was so much better in subjects that weren't heavy in spell work. He was only average in those subjects, but in classes that allowed for a student to do reading before class and truly understand concepts, Bennet was a star. Divination happened to be one such subject, which was why he enjoyed it so much. And why he bothered to actually read ahead of time. Although, this question required more thought than regurgitation.

Raising his hand, Bennet offered, "Perhaps this spread is so popular because it mirrors the duality of life - the masculine and feminine. The circle represents the feminine, while the staff represents the masculine, and the unity of the two in one spread represents the balance of the human mind and experience. Such duality is a belief of many cultures, which would explain why many Tarot users would appreciate a spread that conveys that tenet.

"On another note, the vast number of cards in the spread probably makes it easier for a beginner because it gives them more information to aid in the interpretation, as opposed to smaller spread readings which require more intuitive familiarity with the context and meaning of each card, intuition that a beginner might not yet have developed."

top94a 01-14-2011 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10107164)
Renée gave the class another smile as at least half of them had shot thier hands up and offered the names of cards in the Major Arcana. Instinctively, she knew it was probably due to them having learned them before, at least in the case of the older students. But then, that was part of why she'd decided to teach it in the first lesson. The Tarot was one of the easier forms of Divination to grasp, and possibly one of the least frustrating. At least, less frustrating when one wasn't dealing with what seemed to be a mini-insurrection and invisible onlookers. Either way, she wasn't going to falter. "Good job," she replied to those who had answered, ading each one to the list that had already been started. "It seems you all remember quite a bit, and an extra point to those who decided to go into a bit of detail," she added. Not to make those who hadn't feel bad, but just to give a bit of a reward to those who had felt the need.

SPOILER!!: Major Arcana
the Fool
the Magician
the High Priestess
the Empress
the Emperor
the Hierophant
the Lovers
the Chariot
Strength
the Hermit
the Wheel of Fortune
Justice
the Hanged Man
Death
Temperance
the Devil
the Tower
the Star
the Moon
the Sun
Judgement
the World


Turning back to the class, package in hand, she took a breath before heading back to her desk. "Now that we've gotten that established, why don't we get into a bit about the spreads, as Mr. Owlwraith brought up earlier. He mentioned a few of them, but perhaps we could go into a bit more about the differences between them. The most common spread happens to be the Celtic Cross. Who wants to tell the class why that is?" A bit more discussion, and then maybe it would be time to start the practical portion of the lesson.[/COLOR]
"aww, another tarot card name again" Raven murmur

sweetpinkpixie 01-14-2011 11:48 AM
Kurumi pondered the thought for a moment. There had to be some difference between the Celtic Cross and the cross she had seen all the time on Catholic churches. The biggest difference was that circle in the center, that surely had to be the key. "Professor, I've read in some books that what makes the Celtic Cross special and unique from the one that is used in Christianity is the circle. I believe that it means eternity that emphasizes the endlessness of God’s love or it could represent a halo and therefore the unending mystery of how through the crucifixion and resurrection Christ continues to offer the hope of salvation to the faithful throughout all time." Kurumi paused, she wasn't really sure what this had to do with Divination other than the circle was invoking divine powers and intervention. "Not only that, but it is much older than the Christian cross and therefore evokes a much deeper and ancient magic. So,perhaps in using this particular spreed we are tapping into much more ancient forms of Divination...that are more powerful?"

Weasley174 01-14-2011 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10107164)
Turning back to the class, package in hand, she took a breath before heading back to her desk. "Now that we've gotten that established, why don't we get into a bit about the spreads, as Mr. Owlwraith brought up earlier. He mentioned a few of them, but perhaps we could go into a bit more about the differences between them. The most common spread happens to be the Celtic Cross. Who wants to tell the class why that is?" A bit more discussion, and then maybe it would be time to start the practical portion of the lesson.
Simon couldn't believe he had got another one wrong, he nodded whilest the Professor talked to him and smiled a little smile at least she wasn't shouting at him, he was trying his hardest it was just he didn't know much about this subject.

Simon then heard the next question and put his hand up. "The Celtic Cross is a basket ball team." Simon had no clue what so ever about this one so he just guest again. "Are all them people who can see it to the future." Simon thought it would be unfair if they could.

Canoir Greengrass 01-14-2011 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10107164)
Turning back to the class, package in hand, she took a breath before heading back to her desk. "Now that we've gotten that established, why don't we get into a bit about the spreads, as Mr. Owlwraith brought up earlier. He mentioned a few of them, but perhaps we could go into a bit more about the differences between them. The most common spread happens to be the Celtic Cross. Who wants to tell the class why that is?" A bit more discussion, and then maybe it would be time to start the practical portion of the lesson.
Oh The Celtic Cross Tarot spread? Freya raised her hand "Because The Celtic Cross Tarot spread is the most simple and the easiest to get the results you want for the most questions, whether it be a love query or life direction the Celtic Cross has the when, where, and why to all." she said.

Lezleighd 01-14-2011 04:05 PM
Satine wrote notes with everyone's answer and then shot her hand up, "Professor, would it also be because it's one of the most recognized because it's so old." she said the question more as a statement but she still wasn't sure if that was true.

Amira With a C 01-14-2011 04:56 PM
Parke flipped through his notes once again. Not that they had a direct answer to the professor's question. He hated questions like this. There was no factual answer. He read through is notes one last time before hesitating slightly, and then raising his hand. "I'm assuming its popularity has to do with the spread's ability to cover many different angles or aspects of a given situation in great detail. It gives the asker, for lack of a better term, a complete analysis of his or her situation based on past events, self imposed restrictions, the asker's environment, etc and details possible outcomes." Of course he was just making assumptions based upon what he'd read. Who knew what was actually correct.

Yourenodaisy 01-14-2011 05:15 PM
Spreads, for the life of her, Emmaleigh couldn't remember if they had talked about them in class last term, or if her knowledge came from her outside reading. She didn't know why the celtic cross spread was so popular, but she did know a little about it. She raised her hand before beginning. "Could it be popular because the spread is useful for general readings about the past and future and stuff, like the three card spread, and because it can be used for specific questions as well. Or maybe because it can be modified a little bit." She added

Lauralicious 01-14-2011 05:43 PM
Mhhhh why could the celtic cross spread be popular?Well there were several reasons popping up in the blonde's head.So which one to take?"Could it ge so popular because the layout of the cards is simple but powerful,Professor?",she said raising her hand.Woohoo she had decided for one.Now lets see what the professor thought about it.

SweetPeea 01-14-2011 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10107164)
Renée gave the class another smile as at least half of them had shot thier hands up and offered the names of cards in the Major Arcana. Instinctively, she knew it was probably due to them having learned them before, at least in the case of the older students. But then, that was part of why she'd decided to teach it in the first lesson. The Tarot was one of the easier forms of Divination to grasp, and possibly one of the least frustrating. At least, less frustrating when one wasn't dealing with what seemed to be a mini-insurrection and invisible onlookers. Either way, she wasn't going to falter. "Good job," she replied to those who had answered, ading each one to the list that had already been started. "It seems you all remember quite a bit, and an extra point to those who decided to go into a bit of detail," she added. Not to make those who hadn't feel bad, but just to give a bit of a reward to those who had felt the need.

SPOILER!!: Major Arcana
the Fool
the Magician
the High Priestess
the Empress
the Emperor
the Hierophant
the Lovers
the Chariot
Strength
the Hermit
the Wheel of Fortune
Justice
the Hanged Man
Death
Temperance
the Devil
the Tower
the Star
the Moon
the Sun
Judgement
the World


Turning back to the class, package in hand, she took a breath before heading back to her desk. "Now that we've gotten that established, why don't we get into a bit about the spreads, as Mr. Owlwraith brought up earlier. He mentioned a few of them, but perhaps we could go into a bit more about the differences between them. The most common spread happens to be the Celtic Cross. Who wants to tell the class why that is?" A bit more discussion, and then maybe it would be time to start the practical portion of the lesson.[/COLOR]
Violet smiled and did a little cheery dance for herself, by keeping her arms close to her and shaking them a little like she had maracas in her hands. She giggled to herself a little bit after she had done so and went back to paying attention. Violet then finished writing the other names of the Tarot Cards completing her list. Then she put her pointer finger on her chin and began to think about what the Professor was asking.

Felixir 01-14-2011 06:11 PM
THIS. IS. HUFFIE! [/imbecile]
 
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10107164)
And then she had the fun of dealing with Jake and Treyen, yet again. Or, actually, simply continuing their earlier battle. Renée had the feeling Treyen was simply trying to get on her case yet again, especially with the answer he'd given to contribute to the discussion, but she wasn't about to let it get to her. Not right now, and not when she'd hoped he had come to the conclusion it was better to simply go along with things than fight them. Of course, she wasn't about to let his war of words with Jake continue much longer either, as it could get distracting to the others if it kept going. "Jake, the Tarot is not intended to be used as a way of insulting people," she said calmly, for the moment ignoring Treyen's comment about the arrogance of making new cards even though it had been addressed to her. People created their own forms of oracular cards all the time, so the egotism wasn't really the point. However, she did raise an eyebrow slightly at his following response. That was the strike she'd been waiting for. "Yes. The Emperor is part of the Major Arcana. And in fact one interpretation of it can be the attempt to control the uncontrollable, or the need to accept that some things are not worth controlling. It also represents the masculine principle, balanced against the feminine principle represented by the Empress, as well as stability," she responded, before finally continuing her path toward the bookshelf an picking up one of the wrapped items that had been lying there, flicking her wand to finish off the list that had begun.




Turning back to the class, package in hand, she took a breath before heading back to her desk. "Now that we've gotten that established, why don't we get into a bit about the spreads, as Mr. Owlwraith brought up earlier. He mentioned a few of them, but perhaps we could go into a bit more about the differences between them. The most common spread happens to be the Celtic Cross. Who wants to tell the class why that is?" A bit more discussion, and then maybe it would be time to start the practical portion of the lesson.
"Never said it was, Professor, with all due respect," Jake shrugged. It had been TREYEN who brought up that Jake was actually referring to somebody, and Jake never said that the card was directed at Treyen.

Even if he did think it.

Oooh, what had she just picked up? Something to throw at Treyen? Jake could help with that.

Jake raised his hand. "No idea, but hey, worth a shot, right? Maybe because the position of the cards means something? Like... up, down, left, right and middle... If... that's what the Celtic Cross thing is. But yeah, so the different places could mean past, present or future. And then maybe what could have happened, uhhh... telling what someone thinks of something, or how they would approach a situation?"

Maybe?

Luinevaug 01-14-2011 07:23 PM
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Turning back to the class, package in hand, she took a breath before heading back to her desk. "Now that we've gotten that established, why don't we get into a bit about the spreads, as Mr. Owlwraith brought up earlier. He mentioned a few of them, but perhaps we could go into a bit more about the differences between them. The most common spread happens to be the Celtic Cross. Who wants to tell the class why that is?" A bit more discussion, and then maybe it would be time to start the practical portion of the lesson.
Luin quickly wrote down all of the cards in the major arcana on her parchment and then wrote down "Celtic Cross". She though of the question for a bit and then raised her hand, "The Celtic Cross spread has survived so long and is so popular because the layout of the cards is simple, but powerful. It's a good one to use when you have a specific question that needs to be answered, because it takes you, step by step, through all the different aspects of the situation."

Kaos.Doodles 01-14-2011 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10107164)

Then Renée smiled at the other two who had tried to answer, but been just the slightest bit off. "That was definitely a good guess, Miss Draven, but surprisingly no. The Angel is not part of the Tarot, or at least the traditional Tarot. There might be some variations which might depcit something similar however," she replied to the young Slytherin, before glancing at Mr. Chosen with a bit of a grin. "I'd be interested to know what version of the Tarot would use regular animals, Mr. Chosen, but a point for trying to come up with a meaning. And yes, the Hanged Man is one of the Major Arcana. Representing sacrifice and looking at things from a different perspective." Something she wondered if the boy related to a tiny bit, when he wasn't trying to sleep through class.


Turning back to the class, package in hand, she took a breath before heading back to her desk. "Now that we've gotten that established, why don't we get into a bit about the spreads, as Mr. Owlwraith brought up earlier. He mentioned a few of them, but perhaps we could go into a bit more about the differences between them. The most common spread happens to be the Celtic Cross. Who wants to tell the class why that is?" A bit more discussion, and then maybe it would be time to start the practical portion of the lesson.
Weelll....Legend honestly had no clue, why it would use regular animals in tarot cards. He didn't even understand the cards! "Maybe they were just trying to throw people off ma'am." Wait. The Hanged man was actually one of them? SCORE. Legend grinned, and sat up a bit straighter. Maybe he could learn to like this class?

Alright Celtic Cross? Because the people who created it were Irish! Or something. Legend raised his hand. "Maybe...the other spreads were complicated and this one was the simplest? Cause...you know...it's just a cross." That made sense right?

SilverTiger 01-14-2011 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Random_Me_Ly_ (Post 10107225)
Heather wanted to take a guess so bad. She had a guess. Oh well she would try anyway. She raised her hand. "Many people in different cultures consider a cross to be some sort of sacrifice or belief. Does it stand for inspiration or protection, possibly death?" She asked.
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Originally Posted by Rosiana Price (Post 10107246)
Listening quietly and yet intently, at the professor's interesting lecture, Elle shot her hand up the moment she asked a question.

"In the Celtic Christian world it was put together with the Christian cross and this design was often used for high crosses – a free-standing cross from stone. It is often used for funerary purposes and possessed a great deal of energy, plus magic. The Celtic Cross was and is used to express everyone's white pride," She answered.
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Kurumi pondered the thought for a moment. There had to be some difference between the Celtic Cross and the cross she had seen all the time on Catholic churches. The biggest difference was that circle in the center, that surely had to be the key. "Professor, I've read in some books that what makes the Celtic Cross special and unique from the one that is used in Christianity is the circle. I believe that it means eternity that emphasizes the endlessness of God’s love or it could represent a halo and therefore the unending mystery of how through the crucifixion and resurrection Christ continues to offer the hope of salvation to the faithful throughout all time." Kurumi paused, she wasn't really sure what this had to do with Divination other than the circle was invoking divine powers and intervention. "Not only that, but it is much older than the Christian cross and therefore evokes a much deeper and ancient magic. So,perhaps in using this particular spreed we are tapping into much more ancient forms of Divination...that are more powerful?"


Renée nodded as a few of the students responded related to the actualy Celtic cross, that she imagined coudl be seen anywhere in the general vicintiy of Hogwarts, or in Ireland as well. It wasn't quite what she'd been after with her question, but it had posed an interesting idea. "Yes, traditional Celtic crosses are used in those ways, but the spread of the same name is just symbolic. Not necessarily related to religion, or ideologies such as Nazism. Perhaps there is a bit of simplicity in the spread, however, like Miss Hollingberry mentioned, as it's one of the spreads that provides the most information," she said with a nod toward Mr. Owlwraith. "Inspiration could be involved as well, although I'd imagine you wouldn't want every reading you did to symbolize death," she concluded with a smile. Even as a metaphor, most people preferred not to consider death.

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Originally Posted by Dianna Malfoy (Post 10107227)
Dianna listened to every single answer to the Professor's question. She wasn't very good in Divination but she wasn't bad either.

"Um..Because it can give you great insight into your environment, your hopes and fears, and your potential and it is simple, but powerful. They say a strong energy has built up around this spread due to its use by so many people over the years... Also the cross itself is a free-standing cross and has been used extensively as grave markers." she said as she lowered her hand.
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Originally Posted by Emily_Potter (Post 10107237)
Emily's hand shot up again, she was eager to earn her house points.
"The Celtic cross spread is particularly popular because the layout of the cards is quite simple and is also powerful. The layout is best described in two sections, firstly there is the cross which is made up of the first six cards, then there is whats known as the staff which is made up of cards seven to ten.
The central part of the cross relates to what is most important to you at the time of the reading, the larger cross referrs to your movement from past to future - left to right, and your unconscious to your conscious mind - bottom to top. The staff which form a line on the right hand side represents your life."
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Originally Posted by vijaya (Post 10107262)
Lucy was listening in the class very attentively as she was really interested to learn about the cards. She didn't really like them but she lovely to know a bit more about them. As the class was on professor asked a question to the class. Lucy knew this one but she was nervous, she didn't want to say anything wrong in the class. but then she decided to tell so she raised her hand and said "Professor, the most common spread happens to be the Celtic Cross, because it's the oldest and most popular pattern for reading the tarot, they are simple, but powerful. A strong energy has built up around this spread due to its use by so many people over the years." she said and paused to know what professor had to tell on that.
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Originally Posted by nogoodforyou (Post 10107268)
Helena raised her hand. "There are ten cards used, with five arranged in a cross and four placed vertically beside the cross and another one is placed horizontally across the central cards of the cross," she said, barely breathing, remembering something she read a few days ago from a book. "Also, each card has a different meaning."
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Originally Posted by lemondrop13 (Post 10107292)
Thank goodness for books. Bennet was so much better in subjects that weren't heavy in spell work. He was only average in those subjects, but in classes that allowed for a student to do reading before class and truly understand concepts, Bennet was a star. Divination happened to be one such subject, which was why he enjoyed it so much. And why he bothered to actually read ahead of time. Although, this question required more thought than regurgitation.

Raising his hand, Bennet offered, "Perhaps this spread is so popular because it mirrors the duality of life - the masculine and feminine. The circle represents the feminine, while the staff represents the masculine, and the unity of the two in one spread represents the balance of the human mind and experience. Such duality is a belief of many cultures, which would explain why many Tarot users would appreciate a spread that conveys that tenet.

"On another note, the vast number of cards in the spread probably makes it easier for a beginner because it gives them more information to aid in the interpretation, as opposed to smaller spread readings which require more intuitive familiarity with the context and meaning of each card, intuition that a beginner might not yet have developed."
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Oh The Celtic Cross Tarot spread? Freya raised her hand "Because The Celtic Cross Tarot spread is the most simple and the easiest to get the results you want for the most questions, whether it be a love query or life direction the Celtic Cross has the when, where, and why to all." she said.
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Satine wrote notes with everyone's answer and then shot her hand up, "Professor, would it also be because it's one of the most recognized because it's so old." she said the question more as a statement but she still wasn't sure if that was true.
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Originally Posted by Amira With a C (Post 10107717)
Parke flipped through his notes once again. Not that they had a direct answer to the professor's question. He hated questions like this. There was no factual answer. He read through is notes one last time before hesitating slightly, and then raising his hand. "I'm assuming its popularity has to do with the spread's ability to cover many different angles or aspects of a given situation in great detail. It gives the asker, for lack of a better term, a complete analysis of his or her situation based on past events, self imposed restrictions, the asker's environment, etc and details possible outcomes." Of course he was just making assumptions based upon what he'd read. Who knew what was actually correct.
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Spreads, for the life of her, Emmaleigh couldn't remember if they had talked about them in class last term, or if her knowledge came from her outside reading. She didn't know why the celtic cross spread was so popular, but she did know a little about it. She raised her hand before beginning. "Could it be popular because the spread is useful for general readings about the past and future and stuff, like the three card spread, and because it can be used for specific questions as well. Or maybe because it can be modified a little bit." She added
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Mhhhh why could the celtic cross spread be popular?Well there were several reasons popping up in the blonde's head.So which one to take?"Could it ge so popular because the layout of the cards is simple but powerful,Professor?",she said raising her hand.Woohoo she had decided for one.Now lets see what the professor thought about it.
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Originally Posted by Luinevaug (Post 10108158)
Luin quickly wrote down all of the cards in the major arcana on her parchment and then wrote down "Celtic Cross". She though of the question for a bit and then raised her hand, "The Celtic Cross spread has survived so long and is so popular because the layout of the cards is simple, but powerful. It's a good one to use when you have a specific question that needs to be answered, because it takes you, step by step, through all the different aspects of the situation."


After addressing the answers about the cross, Renée turned to the rest of the students offering answers. It helped knowing people did the reading, even if their answers were all a bit different. Individuality was nice too. She nodded, before setting the fabric wrapped object down on her desk to walk a bit again. "The Celtic cross spread in fact is rather old, and because of that, powerful. Most spreads contain their own power, however, just like the cards themselves hold power. Information," she said, before turning fully back to the class. "And most likely that is because it uses more cards, so more details are provided, instead of needing the interpretation to be quite as thorough. Other spreads, like the three-card spread Miss Swynford mentioned, are just as useful, but require a bit more work to understand what they tell you.” And at that point she thought it would be good to go into the meanings, and the spread itself, but it seemed first she had some other answers to deal with.

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Simon couldn't believe he had got another one wrong, he nodded whilest the Professor talked to him and smiled a little smile at least she wasn't shouting at him, he was trying his hardest it was just he didn't know much about this subject.

Simon then heard the next question and put his hand up. "The Celtic Cross is a basket ball team." Simon had no clue what so ever about this one so he just guest again. "Are all them people who can see it to the future." Simon thought it would be unfair if they could.
Sending another glance to Simon as he’d tried his hardest yet again, Renée fought to not laugh again. She didn’t want to embarrass the Hufflepuff, even as she had the thought that it was possible he was doing this to get a laugh out of her, or the rest of the class. Either way, she managed it without a giggle, even though it was tough going. “That is entirely possible, given the prevalence of minor sports teams in existence,” she responded, a hint of amusement still in her voice. Especially if she considered old teams from back in the States, but she wanted to get back to his answer. “I’d hope for the other teams’ sakes they aren’t. That would make it a bit difficult. But let’s get back to Divination.” The mythical basketball team would likely be impossible to beat. But they needed to get back on topic.

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Originally Posted by Zoerawrr (Post 10107939)
"Never said it was, Professor, with all due respect," Jake shrugged. It had been TREYEN who brought up that Jake was actually referring to somebody, and Jake never said that the card was directed at Treyen.

Even if he did think it.

Oooh, what had she just picked up? Something to throw at Treyen? Jake could help with that.

Jake raised his hand. "No idea, but hey, worth a shot, right? Maybe because the position of the cards means something? Like... up, down, left, right and middle... If... that's what the Celtic Cross thing is. But yeah, so the different places could mean past, present or future. And then maybe what could have happened, uhhh... telling what someone thinks of something, or how they would approach a situation?"

Maybe?
First, it seemed there was going to need to be a bit more progress gained regarding whatever the deal was with Jake and Treyen. Renée turned to look at the older Hufflepuff as he denied the intention towards his housemate and smiled a little, before glancing at Treyen for a moment. “You may not have said it, but we both know you meant it that way. Whether toward him or not,” she said gently. She hadn’t actually known, as class was definitely not the time to be getting into that, but it wasn’t that hard to figure out. But she nodded as he went on to attempt an answer to the question at hand. “Certainly. The placement of each card has just as much meaning as the card itself, although that is true of any spread. Not specific to the Celtic cross spread, and you’ll find more cards are involved than just what you mentioned.” And at that, she returned to lean against her desk, near the package she’d retrieved from the shelf. Hopefully they could get back on track.

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Originally Posted by Kaos.Doodles (Post 10108720)
Weelll....Legend honestly had no clue, why it would use regular animals in tarot cards. He didn't even understand the cards! "Maybe they were just trying to throw people off ma'am." Wait. The Hanged man was actually one of them? SCORE. Legend grinned, and sat up a bit straighter. Maybe he could learn to like this class?

Alright Celtic Cross? Because the people who created it were Irish! Or something. Legend raised his hand. "Maybe...the other spreads were complicated and this one was the simplest? Cause...you know...it's just a cross." That made sense right?
A wry smile crept onto Renée’s face as she noticed how Mr. Chosen had perked up, though. Odds were it was over being told he’d guessed correct, but his response had been fascinating as well. “Perhaps. Maybe you could look into that sometime,” she replied, reaching over and picking up the object before addressing his attempt at an answer regarding the spread. “Actually, you’d find that both correct and incorrect. Since the spread involves more cards than most, some people might find it more complex. But as was also mentioned, it provides a clearer answer to the question that is asked, since there are more details filled in.” Which seemed a good time to go into more detail herself, and she flicked her wand yet again toward the chalkboard as she thought about how to continue.

“Well, continuing with the Celtic cross spread, placement is important, as while each card obviously had internal symbolism with it, where it is in the spread affects the reading as well.” And a depiction of the layout appeared on the board, as well as a listing of what each card signified.

SPOILER!!: chalkboard
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r...rossspread.jpg
1. the significator
2. the question, conditions surrounding it
3. conscious awareness
4. unconscious knowledge/influences
5. past events/influences
6. future
7. yourself, in relation to the question
8. family/friends
9. hopes and fears
10. probable outcome

“Keep in mind that there are actually quite a few different adaptations, so the cards could switch around. In general, they’ll keep the meanings, though, the cards just move around a little. Not to mention you can find variations that add an eleventh card, or even more,” she added, fingering the fabric in her hand before placing the package down on the desk yet again and letting it open to reveal a deck. “In that way, spreads like the three-card spread can be seen as easier. Not only is the number of cards established, but their meanings are pretty static. Past, present, future.” Which was why when she let them all go try to do readings, in a bit, she’d let them choose what spread they wanted to use. She had one last question for them, though, and she looked up again while running a finger delicately acroos the top of the deck of cards now on her desk. “The Celtic cross spread has one card that isn’t included in most other spreads, but can sometimes be considered one of the more important ones in a reading. That would be card number one, or the significator. Does anyone want to give me an answer as to what significance that card holds?”

ooc: last question, then things'll change up a little bit. ; )

QueenGinger 01-15-2011 12:44 AM
Preston dutifully and very carefully copied the chalkboard down into his spiral notebook. He wanted to make sure it was as near as an exact replica he could make of it so he could use it when he needed it, and he was positive he'd need it.

Erasing lines and words here and there when something didn't look quite right to his standards. Finally, done writing the last of what each card signified, Preston laid his pencil down on top of his notebook and listened carefully to Professor Bishop.

Felixir 01-15-2011 12:50 AM
... >.> no calling my baby out!
 
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First, it seemed there was going to need to be a bit more progress gained regarding whatever the deal was with Jake and Treyen. Renée turned to look at the older Hufflepuff as he denied the intention towards his housemate and smiled a little, before glancing at Treyen for a moment. “You may not have said it, but we both know you meant it that way. Whether toward him or not,” she said gently. She hadn’t actually known, as class was definitely not the time to be getting into that, but it wasn’t that hard to figure out. But she nodded as he went on to attempt an answer to the question at hand. “Certainly. The placement of each card has just as much meaning as the card itself, although that is true of any spread. Not specific to the Celtic cross spread, and you’ll find more cards are involved than just what you mentioned.” And at that, she returned to lean against her desk, near the package she’d retrieved from the shelf. Hopefully they could get back on track.



“Well, continuing with the Celtic cross spread, placement is important, as while each card obviously had internal symbolism with it, where it is in the spread affects the reading as well.” And a depiction of the layout appeared on the board, as well as a listing of what each card signified.


“Keep in mind that there are actually quite a few different adaptations, so the cards could switch around. In general, they’ll keep the meanings, though, the cards just move around a little. Not to mention you can find variations that add an eleventh card, or even more,” she added, fingering the fabric in her hand before placing the package down on the desk yet again and letting it open to reveal a deck. “In that way, spreads like the three-card spread can be seen as easier. Not only is the number of cards established, but their meanings are pretty static. Past, present, future.” Which was why when she let them all go try to do readings, in a bit, she’d let them choose what spread they wanted to use. She had one last question for them, though, and she looked up again while running a finger delicately acroos the top of the deck of cards now on her desk. “The Celtic cross spread has one card that isn’t included in most other spreads, but can sometimes be considered one of the more important ones in a reading. That would be card number one, or the significator. Does anyone want to give me an answer as to what significance that card holds?”
Jake. Was. Not. Amused.

He STARED up at Bishop.

REALLY? She was telling him what he'd said? Well... she was right but that was IRRELEVANT. :x3:

So now he was disillusioned and, more importantly, SO LOST. Jake didn't know the answers, so he just... sat there. Doodling.

Listening... learning...

Seething...

Weasley174 01-15-2011 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger (Post 10108915)
Sending another glance to Simon as he’d tried his hardest yet again, Renée fought to not laugh again. She didn’t want to embarrass the Hufflepuff, even as she had the thought that it was possible he was doing this to get a laugh out of her, or the rest of the class. Either way, she managed it without a giggle, even though it was tough going. “That is entirely possible, given the prevalence of minor sports teams in existence,” she responded, a hint of amusement still in her voice. Especially if she considered old teams from back in the States, but she wanted to get back to his answer. “I’d hope for the other teams’ sakes they aren’t. That would make it a bit difficult. But let’s get back to Divination.” The mythical basketball team would likely be impossible to beat. But they needed to get back on topic.

"The Celtic cross spread has one card that isn’t included in most other spreads, but can sometimes be considered one of the more important ones in a reading. That would be card number one, or the significator. Does anyone want to give me an answer as to what significance that card holds?”
Simon couldn't believe that he had got another question wrong. "Professor I'm really sorry, I am trying my hardest." Simon sighed. "I ain't doing it on purpose, honestly I ain't." Simon hoped that the Professor would believe him, he had this feeling that she was thinking he was doing it on purpose.

Simon want to answer but at the same time he didn't he was sure he would get it wrong. "Professor I'm rubbish at Divinations." Simon tried to think of what the card ment. "Is it that it is the best, it's the most important one."

sweetpinkpixie 01-15-2011 01:02 AM
Kurumi flew to her notes and began copying down what Professor Bishop was saying along with the diagram on the board. The significator? Kurumi had thought that she had read that as having another meaning. "Professor," Kurumi asked with her hand raised. "I thought that the card in position number 1 represented the present. It shows the general tone of whatever the one seeking interpretation is asking about."

Roselyn 01-15-2011 01:05 AM
For the first time ever, Evelyn was lost.

So so lost.

And it had nothing to do with the fact that she was not paying attention!

...

Blinking, the Slytherin exhaled a long breath, trying to wrap her head around what they were talking about now. Significator...card...one...thing...question. Alright. What is the significance of the significator? Oh now that almost just lost her right there again. "It's significant because..." Losing her train of thought. Ugh. "...it...it's like the prologue to the whole story. I think."

Hmm, right?

Eh?

Starbreeze 01-15-2011 01:08 AM
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“Keep in mind that there are actually quite a few different adaptations, so the cards could switch around. In general, they’ll keep the meanings, though, the cards just move around a little. Not to mention you can find variations that add an eleventh card, or even more,” she added, fingering the fabric in her hand before placing the package down on the desk yet again and letting it open to reveal a deck. “In that way, spreads like the three-card spread can be seen as easier. Not only is the number of cards established, but their meanings are pretty static. Past, present, future.” Which was why when she let them all go try to do readings, in a bit, she’d let them choose what spread they wanted to use. She had one last question for them, though, and she looked up again while running a finger delicately acroos the top of the deck of cards now on her desk. “The Celtic cross spread has one card that isn’t included in most other spreads, but can sometimes be considered one of the more important ones in a reading. That would be card number one, or the significator. Does anyone want to give me an answer as to what significance that card holds?”[/COLOR]


Eino raised his hand. "Professor, the significator indicates who are in the present right? That would, naturally, affect the outcome of our future." It made sense. The person you are will determine the choices you make, and those choices would lead to a certain future. "However, Divination is the study of the future, so a present substance might not always be taken into consideration. By removing the significator one is able to read the future as, well, fate. Something that just happens, that it is destined to be. By including the significator the future would be subjective, and possibly change."


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