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Term 34: May - August 2013 Term Thirty-Four: Poor in Fund$ but Rich in Ice Cream (September 2080 - June 2081)

 
 
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Despite the warm sun rays shining in through the newly dusted windows, there was a chill in the air as you make your way into the arena. Spring was arriving, but the temperatures weren't much better. The familiar purple mats from the previous lesson were lined up in rows in the middle of the arena (free of sneezing powder thank you very much), each with their own individual, and perhaps slightly off color, miniature desks next to them. Pushed against the walls were sixteen regular sized desks, each with a medium square looking object upon the top, hidden underneath a white cloth. Nooo peaking! Professor Romanos was seated on her own burgundy colored mat in the front, watching the little mechanical bird Sonya run in circles around her while waiting for the students to arrive. Which should be soon.

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"I think you would have to clear your own mind. Because what if your own mind is clouded with your own several thoughts, while you're trying legilimency. You may not be able to gather the person's thoughts that you are working on. Basically, they would be, hopefully, able to catch emotions and memories, but because their own mind isn't cleared, there's a barrier that stops them from fully seeing its effect." Tag finished his ramble. Did that make sense? There was just a wall of sorts that stopped the full achievement of legilimency. Yes, yes. The little blonde boy felt comfortable with his answer and hoped that his talk did not confuse his professor.
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Tay looked at the teacher then debated the answer. After a few seconds, she rose her hand, "Professor... I think it is a bit of all... You have to have the intent but you have to be able to focus and clear your mind so you dont get it confused with your own feelings..."
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Too bad they weren't going to be learning how to do it. Lily spaced out a little thinking of how legilimency could be used around the school, especially by teachers on students with detentions. Unfortunately for Lily, she didn't hear the professor's question and was out of luck in trying to answer it, so instead the fifth year redhead just jotted down some notes based on what her classmates were saying. All this talk about focus had to sink in eventually, right?
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So they were not going to use Legilimency on each other. Well that took the worries of his shoulders. But the professor wanted to know how someone would achieve this spell. All the other students had good ideas. Kace did like Nigel's interpretation. It did seem like riding your broom and interpreting what was there on the way. He was gonna write that down.

Scribble...Scribble...Scribble....Scribble.....

Then he gave the professor's question some thought. He decided to raise his hand and said, "Well professor i think in order to read someone's mind, you would need to know methods of how to keep your feelings and thoughts in control. But if you are reading your best friend's mind for instance, you might have a better angle. It would be easy to probably read their thoughts because you could know what they were already thinking." he shrugged.

His answer was the best he could give. I mean he was only a firstie after all. What more could he know?
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Frown.

That ruined everything.

She wanted to learn legilimency so bad. Meh...maybe after school, which meant this year..and soon. Gulp. But then she had other plans coming up, ones she actually really needed to think about. Just not now, in class. So back to legilimency thinking then.

How would someone be capable of reading, or seeing as the Professor said, anothers mind?

Hmmm. Pout. The red head thought to herself of a good way to word her opinion about this and then eventually raised her hand. "Professor, I think one would have to be in deep concentration on the task, which means they would possibly have to clear their mind of thoughts. As for what information would be easiest to get, I think that would be the other persons weakest points? They would have to find that and maybe peel through layers to get there." Yep. So that made sense right? The Professor understood what she was trying to get across then, yep? Hopefully.
The Hufflepuffs sure were quick to answer first. "It would only make sense one would need to concentrate on the task to achieve it, wouldn't it?" she nodded in agreement. "On the other hand, would the person's weakest points really need work to uncover? Or would they be the first memories, thoughts, and/or emotions you'd witness? Considering one's strengths would be more heavily guarded or practiced on, as shown with countless of events apart from legilimency."

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Laura thought the Professor was doing right in not allowing them to practice legilimency today, some of the students would be too young and she was really glad because she didn't want someone in her mind.

Laura looked at the Professor and then raised her hand. "Professor they would have to be in deep concentration and the person you are trying to practice on would have to be in a relaxed way so that his defences are down" Laura smiled at the Professor. "Otherwise you might have a fight going on in that person head trying to stop the person from reading their thoughts."
Mmhmmm. "Certainly could be one way of doing it." Medea smiled in return, slowly nodding. "Although, coming from a different perspective, what if having the person relaxed makes it much more difficult to be able to read their mind? If, in this scenario, the person actually knows that their mind is going to be read that is. What would the legilimens do then?"

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She wanted them to tell her how a person would perform legimency but there was one problem. As of yet, the blonde hadn't found a single book in the library that went beyond the description of the art itself, classifying it as dark and since Elise hadn't wanted to be involved with dark magic simply left it at that. However, she did read somewhere that eye-contact was very helpful to the legimens since the eyes were the window to the soul and whatnot.

"The legimens usually maintains eye-contact with his or her victim, since the eye is most vulnerable and easy to... read, in a sense." More like understand, not quite to see. Jumping jelly beans, she didn't know. That could only mean that as soon as she got back to the Common Room, she was cracking open a book from the shelf and doing some light reading on the topic and Elise's definition of light reading usually involved a lot of it.

She'd say nothing more, though. Jotting notes seemed to be the best way to go.
"Eye contact, yes. They do say the eyes are the window to your soul. No doubt would make it quite easier to see your inner workings. Good, Miss Fairfield." Smiling to the Ravenclaw, her eyebrows knitted together juuuuust momentarily, having thought she saw Sonya running under a desk in the background. Spazzy bird.

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They weren't going to be doing legimency on anyone, well probably better that way, because there were many things that Min wouldn't like others just coming in and taking out of her head. That would be cool at all, maybe if they came in and found the ice cream thoughts and then went and got ice cream now that was more of a good reading in her book.

No how would one do this Minerva thought for a moment and then shot her hand back up, waving it excitedly wanting to be called on. "Professor, they would have to be in HUGE concentration and really be wanting to get into someones head. When using Legilimens the incantation you have to be in total focus and point wand straight at the victim. I'm not sure it matters where at the head you point though." She put her hand down smiling at the professor.
"That would be something to look into, wouldn't it? Whether where you point your wand actually matters with this type of magic?" she asked, stretching out her legs in front of her momentarily. Oh, that was much better. "Good though! Yes, concentration is something you'd need when casting."

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West thought about this and then stuck his hand up.

"Professor, I think aside from eye contact and concentration, and for some people actually saying the spell to actually do it, it'd be easier if you'd sort of...." He hesitated, "got under your target's skin a bit. Done something to make them more susceptible to mental invasions." Did she understand?

"Like.... taunting them. Or ... said something what preyed on their fears and insecurities. Things that make them panic or.... you know, lose the concentration needed to actually fend a mental invasion off if they actually knew you were doing it to them. My dad says some people sort of have a natural mental shield, like they've got a mental wall made up of bricks. Some are higher than others and therefore naturally are harder for the Legilimens to break through. He says if you learn Occlumency it works like mortar, filling in the gaps between the bricks, and holding your mind together so that no matter how much the Legilimens tries to break through, they just can't unless they figure out a way to be tricky and undermine your mental foundations.... like how I said about taunts or preying on their fears and emotions and whatnot." West offered his take on it and put his hand down again.
Oh? Medea leaned forward, resting her elbows on her knees and chin on her hands as she listened to the young Slytherin talk. He always had some excellent ideas. "Well, I certainly agree with you on that. Stability is one of the key structures in occlumency. It would only make sense for the legilimens to make the person...unstable. Very well thought out, Mister Odessa. Excellent."

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She wanted to correct her, okay! But Romanos was talking and talking and smiling and it's hard to interrupt someone like that. Fiiine. She'd turn a blind eye..for the....oh she wasn't counting anymore. Now, to concentrate on the question. Oh and they weren't going to practicing legilimency. Cassia would've liked to preform it on someone but then that'd mean someone would have to practice it on her. So nope. She was going to pass.

Raising her hand, the blond spoke, "I think apart from eye contact and concentration," Which were mentioned by other students, "It perhaps would be effective if the one we're trying to invade their mind..." Not that she was going to ,"....was caught off guard without having the time to block their minds," She said. "Unless they are naturals when it comes to blocking their minds, like West explained," T'sup mate. Don't mind us making reference to your question, right? Right.

"And it probably needs a lot of practice till one excels it or succeed in preforming it in the first place," She added as an after thought.
Smiling, she glanced to West momentarily when he was mentioned before turning her attention back Cassia. "Having the element of surprise, so to speak." she chuckled softly. "Though much like a surprise, it is sometimes often quickly overcome. Even if the person isn't a natural in blocking their minds, they can just as easily keep out a legilimens if practiced enough. Good thinking though."

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She sat forward in her seat, bouncing just a bit. The next question was interesting and it was something she'd need to really think about, know too, because some Professors wouldn't actually be teaching it. Hmph. Such a waste...or maybe not. This was for the best. She didn't fancy going brain dead by accidentally reading a mega!idiot's mind. No thanks.

"There definitely has to be intent and concentration for starters otherwise people can boot you out of their minds. It's possible, people have been known to resist it if they try hard enough so one trick is making sure you're trying harder than them." And why wasn't she writing down everything everyone else was saying?? "It's probably all in the 'who can play the better mind game' thing, you know? I suspect torture might help--as a distraction of course. They'd be too focused on whatever they're subjected to to really think about blocking their thoughts and secrets. I think the main aim would be to make sure they're not fighting back." Mentally. They weren't fighting back mentally. Simply binding them would take care of any physical resistance.
Oh yes. Destruction and torture. She wouldn't have expected anything less with Alexa's answer. "I would suspect torture would indeed help." Chuckling quietly, Medea glanced down to the mat in front of her and shook her head a little. Goodness, her students. Precious things.

That was about all she could say with Alexa before her chuckling turned into unstoppable laughter.


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What would best help a Legilimen perform Legilimency? Oakey sat and thought on this for a moment. Until West spoke, that snake had everything to say about everything. If Oakey had parchment out he'd write down everything the fourth year spilled out of his mouth. Could he keep Odessa in his pocket for NEWTs?

Right back to the Question. "What if the Legilimen had had some kind of personal item from the person they were mind reading. Like an item that would help stir the memory in the their thoughts. It could be as West said something that scares them to make the memory more accessable."

If a Legilimen held up a Lobster, he'd probably have the time he was bit by a Mackled Malaclaw fresh in his head.
*shudder*
How unusual. Completely creative idea, but unusual nonetheless. "I do wonder if someone had tried that tactic." she thought out loud, staring at the head boy. Oh, look at her. Lost in thought. Ahem. "It's a possibility. Perhaps could have a greater effect than we think. Excellent thought, Mister Gunter."

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Professor happy was happy and it made Ella happy too. Smiling was contagious, y'know. The blonde BEAMED and listened and took notes too. Multitasking FOR THE WIN! She was relieved to hear that they wouldn't be practicing legilimency because really, some of the stuff she thought and the memories she had were for her and for her only. She didn't want anyone else to see them. As for how you'd get into someone else's head, Ella had to think on that.

"Along with concentration and eye-contact, I suppose the person doing the legilimency would have to be confident in their ability to invade. Like... they'd need to be able to take control over the situation and maintain that control the whole time to see what they want to see."
"Confidence!" Medea perked up, suddenly sitting up straighter. "Yes, that would indeed help the legilimens in achieving their goal. And confidence comes with practice, which would also help them in their task. Good, Miss Bishop."

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But she didn’t knew how to answer the next question, she already had told the professor everything she know, so it was now time to guess for the answer… she raised her hand after a few moments of silence, she had thought about what she could say and spoke. “I think that it is important to clear you own mind before you can read the minds of others because it would be very difficult to see clearly what the other is thinking when you are thinking yourself. It would be confusing… I think…”
Smiling encouragingly, Medea nodded slowly as the young Slytherin was finishing her answer. "Yes, I would think it certainly would be confusing mixing your thoughts with another. Good, Miss Duvessa."

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Nigel liked metaphor and euphemism. Or whatever they were called. Now how would someone achieve using legilimency. It would seem that the defense would be down. When someone was dreaming. So maybe that was it.

"If you were a master at legilimency. You don't even need a wand or to say the spell to enter someone mind. So it would not matter when. If the target is not skilled in Occlumency, a Legilimens will know if they are lying. If you are not a master. Maybe the best time to use it. Would be when they are asleep. When their defenses are down and are dreaming."

It would be awesome to tell if someone was lying to you without using a potion or muggle device. Nigel would have to learn how to do this. Eventually.
Oh? The students minds were working rather creatively today. Medea was beeaaaaming!

"Fantastic thinking. You would indeed think, it would be easier to invade someone's mind when they are asleep. When their defenses are down, as you said." Slowly nodding, her posture relaxed some, as did her expression, before continuing. "The mind, however, is a powerful tool. Even when asleep. My knowledge on legilimency may be limited to just theoretical, but I do know that very rarely would the task be any easier when one is asleep. Our minds slow, making it difficult to maneuver through. It clouds our thoughts, memories, and emotions, making it a very demanding task to see clearly and interpret, especially with having interference of our dreams, which become so vivid at times."

"There is, however, one moment in time during our sleep...that a legilimens could have an easier time in navigating our minds. But, you would need to have much skill in the art do so, because it is when our dreams are most vivid. Our brain waves resemble those of when we are awake. The more activity going on in there, the easier their job." She let that sink in for a moment. "Though, you know, it's a bit difficult to predict when this moment occurs. Especially if the person was in an induced sleep."


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Tobias raised his hand and spoke. "This is more about the other person than anything, but would it be easier if the person whose mind you were sneaking a peek at was like... really emotional or thinking a lot or really distracted?" he tilted his head to the side. "Like sometimes you see people who are just walking along and they're like only focused on their own thoughts and they don't even notice anything else. So... I don't know as well as focusing you could distract them. Or 'delve into their mind'" (Tobias did actual air quotes at that part and made his voice all low and mysterious) "when they least expect it."

Like someone could be in his mind right now.

Woah.

Way to make a kid paranoid.
"It is a lot about the other person, isn't it?" Medea nodded slowly, growing quiet to listen to the rest of the young Hufflepuff had to say. She chuckled lightly during his slight dramatics at the end. "Yes, indeed. Having the person distracted would make it a great deal easier for the legilimens to enter their mind. Noticing when someone is "reading" your mind however, would depend on both the caster and the target. It doesn't always go unnoticed. And by that, I mean a physical feeling...and not just simply knowing when your mind is being...read."

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Aidan had already had an idea in mind that was...you know...different from the boring stuff everyone else was thinking. And Nigel sort of brought it up which at first made him nervous, in case Nigel stole his idea (like a legilimens, yeah?!) but he didn't. So the third year put his hand up to ask himself, "If the 'target'," as people were calling it, "was sleeping with his eyes open, would you read their mind like normal or would you just see whatever they were dreaming about?"

And...for that matter... "If they're sleeping, would they need to have their eyes open or could you still read their mind and the whole eye contact is just what makes it easier when they're awake and have their wall up." Or whatever West was getting at.
Oh, she did enjoy the topic of using legilimency when one was asleep. It was interesting stuff!! "That wouldn't exactly make it easier, no." she smiled apologetically, glancing to Nigel momentarily before continuing. "The short answer would be that it is easier to use legilimency on someone when they're awake, even if they have their wall up. It is too...murky, for lack of a better word, when one is asleep. Regardless if they're eyes are open. Excellent thinking though, Mister Stone."

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HA. Excellent answer, indeed. Dylan beamed at Professor Romanos as she praised him...but he wasn't totally finished with this line of thinking...

"That's what I meant, Professor. A picture book with really big pictures...Also, if some memories were unclear, wouldn't it be like viewing something in Watercolors?"


...but to answer the question at hand..."I think you'd have to have a very strong-willed mind to evade someone else's. Like...you couldn't be feeble or meek if you wanted to succeed. The same could be same about Occlumency, too. You'd need to have a certain level of confidence and strength within your own mind." He was rambling a bit...but Dylan DID have a point. "Either way, eye-contact, focus, concentration, and being strong-willed."
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"I think that would depend on the artist." She joked, chuckling softly. "An unclear memory would have many signs. Blurriness, muffled dialogue, unstable imagery... to just name a few that is. It would be different with each memory and each person."


"Riigght. Neither of these types of magic are easy and they do test your limits. Those who succeed the most though are not afraid to push past their limits to strengthen their will. A form of dominance yourself if you will, that is quite difficult to achieve. Still excellent thinking, Mister Montmorency." Medea smiled to the seventh year captain.

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It seemed kind of silly to add to everyone else's answers after people had gone so in depth with explaining how they thought the proper way to invade someone's mind would be. The whole topic was making Alice fidgety, really. The thought of someone getting inside her brain? That was creepy, right? She'd remained quiet most of the class, but instead of answering this time, she piped up with a question.

"Professor, Legilimens can sometimes influence the mind after they invade it, yeah? Isn't that kind of like what the Imperius Curse does? Would that mean Occlumens could resist being Imperius'd, too?" 'Cause she was curious about it.

Totally off topic, but yeah. Question.
If they continued with their answers and questions as such, they were soooooo going to be thrown an ice cream party. "Vaguely, yes. Although legilimency doesn't quite control one's bidding like the imperius curse does, the teachings and skills from occlumency can help resist the effects of being imperius'd. It focuses a great deal on intent and will power, much used in both the casting and resisting of the imperius curse." Slowly nodding, she smiled at the Gryffindor. "Excellent thought processor, Miss Fischer."

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Marigold raised her hand.

"Professor, I agree with the others that the Legilimens has to be focused. But I also think that the thoughts of the victim would be random, so the person who is reading their mind couldn't focus on a specific thought that the victim has, kind of?" She was kind of off on a rant here... anyway, if someone read her mind right now, they would tell she wanted ICE CREAM!!!
"That...would depend on the skill level of the legilimens." she spoke, pondering the girl's thoughts on the matter. "Naturally, the more one practices and begins to master the art of legilimency, the easier it will be to pinpoint what your searching for. Just starting out however, I bet you can guess how the first attempts will be for someone."

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So they weren't going to be practising Legilimency? ... That was... probably for the better, right? The idea of someone invading his mind and finding out how he felt about certain... things wasn't an idea that sat well with the sixteen year old. It was like someone reading his journal. Yeah... that was exactly what Legilimency reminded him of. Sort of.

But as for how to achieve this... he really didn't know. Sitting back and listening to what the others had to say was interesting, though. And it did spark some ideas and questions in the Hufflepuff too. "Professor?" he started, raising his hand in the air, "They say that the mind is a many layered... thing," Was that a good way of putting it? "So does the amount of layers you invade, as the Legilimens, depend on your skill with the spell? For example... erm... someone who's more skilled with the spell could probably access deeper feelings and thoughts, ones that the target person had kept hidden particularly well? And someone who's not that skilled might not... be able... to invade as far? Or does your skill with the practice only let you go through someone's mind without saying a spell?" Like Ravenclaw dude (Nigel) had said. Alec was sort of trusting that the dude was right with that piece of information. It sounded right, anyways...

And... did he know what he was saying? ... Sort of. Not really.

"Erm... but to answer your question..." Because he shouldn't just... leave it at a question, yeah? "I guess... I think the intent really counts too. I mean... theoretically... someone who doesn't want to enter someone's mind and is, say, forced to, might not be able to perform Legilimency that well. It sounds like a spell where when you perform it, you have to really mean it." That... was his two knuts. Or something.
If she could become any happier, it would've been with that speculation right there. "There are always benefits when it comes with practice, Mister Summers." she started, moving around so her legs were underneath her and she was sitting on her heels. "Nonverbal magic is something all spells have in common but, with legilimency, you're right when it comes to diving deeper into one's mind."

"Naturally, when first attempting this spell, you can only get so far. It doesn't so much matter if you read an entire book on the human mind prior to trying. However, knowledge does play it's part in this. For example, think of an endless maze. As your first journey into it, you no doubt twist and turn into dead ends and round-a-bout circles. BUT, with a little knowledge on where you are and the right tools, you can go to just about anywhere you want to." Letting that sink in for a moment, she smiled and continued. "Though it is not easy. Legilimency takes much time to figure out and understand, but essentially, yes. The more skill you have in the art, the easier it will be for you to dive deeper into the person's memories, thoughts, and emotions."

His theory on being forced to perform legilimency was interesting. "Indeed, it is. Intent does play it's part in the spellwork, though be careful in your wording, Mister Summers. There are quite a few ways one can be forced into doing something, some methods more effective than others when it comes to performing spells and how far we are willing to stretch our limits."


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If you distracted them with ice cream...

...Lottie raised her hand, sure: intent, focus, concentration, eye-contact, strong-willed character, all that. Most of those were quite common things to have for all spells, right? Right. And ice cream worked too. But this girl had something else in mind, "A relaxed mind, and confidence. At least that's something I would add to what the rest of the class has said. Because a relaxed mind or some sort of relaxation helps you channel the spell better...and confidence, well, we know what that does." Hand down.

That was all she had to say.

Also, if one petrified the person whose mind one was trying to read, then it would much easier. And then a memory charm is a must after that.

You know, there are options to perform this. But no ice cream involved. How sad.
"It would no doubt be difficult to access one's mind when your own is as crammed and animated as a herd of centaurs, wouldn't it?" she chuckled softly, nodding. "It seems the more relaxed the caster's mind is and the more animated the target's is, the easier the task will. Good thinking, Miss Wisteria."

Huh. Centaurs. Callie didn't like centaurs. Callie also had a tea room.

Tea. Ice cream was apparently good in tea.

ICE CREAM!


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Legilimens... yeah, another word Forrest had never heard of. He should actually invest in reading the class books before the classes but there were just so many classes...

He sighed to himself and started doing what he did best--turning the pages of his class book and trying to find something worth mentioning. He was distracted and didn't hear any of the answers the other people gave, he simply kept on turning the pages. He didn't have any idea what he should be looking for anyway, and soon enough, he was bored of searching. He closed his eyes to remember how the man in X-men read minds. How different could wizard ways be than of Muggle ways?

Raising his hand, he said "The reader must close his eyes to focus, and it's better if he touched the head of the... subject." Subject. Cool words. Hehe. "Touch it with his wand maybe." Yeah. Muggles didn't have wands, but wizards did. "And, I dunno... there was a man in X-men--" X-men was fantasy though! "I mean, maybe there are special helmets in wizard world too to read several people's minds at once." He shrugged. It made sense to him.
.......

Did she ever mention how precious her students were?

She just wanted to hug him! And keep him in her pocket forever. Though she had nooooo idea what he was talking about. This no doubt would be something she'd ask Airey later on. It seemed like a topic he'd know about. "I must admit, I'm not familiar with...X men." she smiled apologetically to the Hufflepuff. "Nor do I believe there is such a helmet that has that kind of effects. Perhaps this is something you can look into?

Would be cool if there was.


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Aw man! Theo kinda wanted to mind read. He wasn't too surprised, though, because it sounded like a hard thing to accomplish. Theo didn't have too much faith in himself that he'd succeed. He raised his hand for the next question. "It must be really hard to do leg... legilimency," That was it, "So you'd have to be a good wizard, and a focussed one. I think you WOULD need a clear mind, to see better in someone else's mind, but I'm not too sure..." He trailed off.

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Yeah, so Ascanius wasn't exactly sure how fly he was with this whole mind peaking business. It was HIS head and his thoughts. And to be honest, he'd be in a lot of trouble if his Professors looked into his head, so he wanted to keep his thoughts to himself. Thank you very much, yeah?

So the fact that they were even talking about this made his eyebrow twitch and his judging glasses were on. All the idiots out and about were so seriously into this thing. Answering like they had put THOUGHT into this stuff. Heh. What kind of stupid bloke wanted to read people's minds? He could tell them upfront that most girls weren't going to be into them. They didn't need this head peaking stuff. Pfft. He was so witty.

With that in mind and amusing himself, Ascanius rose his hand and threw in his opinion on this lot, "Professor," gorgeous, "Why is this even allowed?" Felt like invasion of privacy to him.
Honestly, she was wondering when that question would pop up. "That is a very good question, Mister Stark." she started, shifting so her legs were under her and she were sitting on her heels. "Why are many things even allowed? Some things...that may seem cruel and immoral, can be used for the greater good. However, it's...honestly, it depends on which government you're talking about. Some find it useful and not as dangerous as others may perceive it. Some find it as a great defense as much as an offense when it comes to their law enforcement. Others...others just aren't as...troubled by the idea. The age restriction is meaningless to them. Greed...can be a powerful little worm."

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So they wouldn't be practicing it. Good. Though the idea of practicing it one someone was sort of appealing, Jory wasn't sure he wanted anyone to practice on him. He focused on the question now. Hmmm.

The Puufer raised his hand. "I think to see very clearly into someone else's mind, the person who wants to accomplish this task must be very calm and he must be focused. There may be other factors but I think being calm and focused are two of th emost important.''
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"I think you would have to clear your own mind. Because what if your own mind is clouded with your own several thoughts, while you're trying legilimency. You may not be able to gather the person's thoughts that you are working on. Basically, they would be, hopefully, able to catch emotions and memories, but because their own mind isn't cleared, there's a barrier that stops them from fully seeing its effect." Tag finished his ramble. Did that make sense? There was just a wall of sorts that stopped the full achievement of legilimency. Yes, yes. The little blonde boy felt comfortable with his answer and hoped that his talk did not confuse his professor.
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Tay looked at the teacher then debated the answer. After a few seconds, she rose her hand, "Professor... I think it is a bit of all... You have to have the intent but you have to be able to focus and clear your mind so you dont get it confused with your own feelings..."
Oh? "A bit of everything! That seems...just about right. Honestly, you wouldn't be a very good legilimens if you're mixing up your own thoughts and emotions with that of your target." Really. Just...really. ICE CREAM! Sounded good right about now.

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So they were not going to use Legilimency on each other. Well that took the worries of his shoulders. But the professor wanted to know how someone would achieve this spell. All the other students had good ideas. Kace did like Nigel's interpretation. It did seem like riding your broom and interpreting what was there on the way. He was gonna write that down.

Scribble...Scribble...Scribble....Scribble.....

Then he gave the professor's question some thought. He decided to raise his hand and said, "Well professor i think in order to read someone's mind, you would need to know methods of how to keep your feelings and thoughts in control. But if you are reading your best friend's mind for instance, you might have a better angle. It would be easy to probably read their thoughts because you could know what they were already thinking." he shrugged.

His answer was the best he could give. I mean he was only a firstie after all. What more could he know?
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Goodness, she didn't know just which made her happier! All the amazing and CREATIVE ideas being tossed around or the fact that she JUST found Sonya...running into the back wall repeatedly. Well, least the little bird wasn't getting into too much trouble.

"As a recap, I'm sure we can all agree that legilimency has a variety of understandings and key fundamentals that makes it so difficult to achieve. Having a clear mind, focus and intent, and confidence unlike you have ever produced with a spell is needed, and eye contact generally seems to be the best way for the legilimens to gain access to someone's mind. Once you can manage to achieve the spell, it's only a matter of time and building up your skill level to where you can dive into deeper thoughts and memories and deeper emotions that the person may have hidden away."

"What you can do with this kind of magic at the tips of your fingers is quite honestly why legilimency has such a shady reputation though. There is nothing but personal gain with this magic. Information is the main focus most of the time, however, if skilled enough, one can make a person's mind fall into ruins. Slowly. Make them see things. Make them hurt. Make them go crazy or perhaps...detach their mind altogether." Fiddling with her fingers momentarily, Medea took a deep breath and smiiiiiled. "That is truly, terribly advanced magic though."

"Moving on, we touched on the subject of occlumency a few times. As I'm sure you've come to find out, occlumency is the act of preventing your mind from being accessed by the use of legilimency by magical means. When I say magical, I do not mean you need a wand and a spell. This magic is not something you can outwardly produce, so to speak. It's something you focus inside of yourself." Her hands were gesturing eveeerrryyyywhere, trying to make it easy for the students to understand. "Occlumency, in ways, is a bit harder to master than legilimency. It requires a great deal of will power and discipline with your mental and emotional state that is very difficult on it's own to describe. To pull it off flawlessly would be...a tremendous feat."

"We may not be doing practicing legilimency today, but I can let you practice a bit of occlumency. I have an activity set up that we can do towards the end of the lesson. You may not participate if you don't want to. That is entirely up to you. Before we get into that, does anyone know any other details on what occlumency is or how it is performed?"
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"Well it is like that saying Don't Think Of A Pink Elephant. Once you hear it all you do is think of pink elephants." It was a cool idea and actually worked. "Which is one way of performing Occlumency. Just think of one thing repeatedly and nothing else. So even if they can read your mind. All they see is Pink Elephants."

Nigel was sure he was talking about Pink Elephants to much. But it did not matter. It seemed all you had to do was bring up ice cream and Romanos got sidetracked.
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Really? Cool. West put his hand up again. "A beginner has to learn to clear their mind. My dad says that if you focus on clearing your mind it won't work, like that whole thing where someone says don't think of pink elephants and you start thinking about them?" He glanced at Nigel, who had a slightly different take on that concept, "Like that. He says its easier to use visualisation techniques, like the brick wall thing, or imagine a blank piece of parchment, and every time you think you're slipping and a memory or thought is coming up on your mental parchment, you focus on erasing it. Because its a lot easier to focus on something that is nothing, than it is on nothing when it could easily become something."

Well, these were the kind of explanations that worked best on West, so it was how his dad taught him things.

"And for advanced Occlumency, when you want to have them read fake memories or something or not catch on that you're actually blocking them, you can use the same technique but instead of keeping the mental parchment blank, you can mentally draw or write what you want them to see. Doing all that means you're focusing on something tangible too, so its easier to suppress your emotions and avoid giving the legilimens the upper hand." West added and then put his hand down. Because he'd said a lot and stuff.
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Lex was soaking up everything the Professor said with avid interest. There wasn't a single moment when her attention span began to wane, in fact, she had actually stopped bouncing where she sat. That was how engrossed she was in this topic. Not surprizing. Everything about this subject fascinated her a little more than it should have.

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"It's extremely advanced and requires the practitioner to clear their mind so there's nothing for the legilimen to read. It's effective against both the Imperius Curse and Veritaserum but again, it's really advanced. I think it's also a bit dangerous? Isn't it Professor? I've heard people have gone mad trying to resist the Imperius Curse and using this, with all it's concentration...if you're not good enough, you could end up losing your own mind. Isn't that correct?"

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"Knowing what your friend may be thinking is the subtle benefit of friendship, Mister Lecium." she chuckled softly. "It, unfortunately, won't help someone in their attempts with legilimency. Though you are right in the fact that one does need to keep their own thoughts and emotions in control when casting this spell. Excellent thinking."

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Kace was smiling when the teacher wasn't too harsh on his wrong answer. At least he gave it his shot. He was glad that he was right in the part of keeping your thoughts and emotions under control. He made a note in his notebook and then looked up when the professor was explaining Occlumency.

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"As a recap, I'm sure we can all agree that legilimency has a variety of understandings and key fundamentals that makes it so difficult to achieve. Having a clear mind, focus and intent, and confidence unlike you have ever produced with a spell is needed, and eye contact generally seems to be the best way for the legilimens to gain access to someone's mind. Once you can manage to achieve the spell, it's only a matter of time and building up your skill level to where you can dive into deeper thoughts and memories and deeper emotions that the person may have hidden away."

"What you can do with this kind of magic at the tips of your fingers is quite honestly why legilimency has such a shady reputation though. There is nothing but personal gain with this magic. Information is the main focus most of the time, however, if skilled enough, one can make a person's mind fall into ruins. Slowly. Make them see things. Make them hurt. Make them go crazy or perhaps...detach their mind altogether." Fiddling with her fingers momentarily, Medea took a deep breath and smiiiiiled. "That is truly, terribly advanced magic though."

"Moving on, we touched on the subject of occlumency a few times. As I'm sure you've come to find out, occlumency is the act of preventing your mind from being accessed by the use of legilimency by magical means. When I say magical, I do not mean you need a wand and a spell. This magic is not something you can outwardly produce, so to speak. It's something you focus inside of yourself." Her hands were gesturing eveeerrryyyywhere, trying to make it easy for the students to understand. "Occlumency, in ways, is a bit harder to master than legilimency. It requires a great deal of will power and discipline with your mental and emotional state that is very difficult on it's own to describe. To pull it off flawlessly would be...a tremendous feat."

"We may not be doing practicing legilimency today, but I can let you practice a bit of occlumency. I have an activity set up that we can do towards the end of the lesson. You may not participate if you don't want to. That is entirely up to you. Before we get into that, does anyone know any other details on what occlumency is or how it is performed?"


As she was explaining Occlumency, Kace was getting interested learning to block your mind from people intruding on your thoughts. He even liked the idea of the choice of not to participate, but what was the fun in that? He wanted to try it out!

The professor wanted to know how Occlumency was preformed. Kace only heard vaguely about it. But he heard the other older students answers and he agreed with them and rather not repeat it. He liked Nigel's metaphor with the pink elephants. It helped him visualize it more clearly.

When Kace read in the textbook a little bit he raised his hand when he got the gist of it, "Professor i know the person practicing the act of Occlumency is the Occlumens and being the Occlumens requires a great deal of will power. Occlumency can be compared to as with resisting the Imperius Curse."

Wow....

That seemed to advance for Kace's tastes. But he will see how he will handle it when the time came. He knew the Imperius Curse was forbidden but it seemed just as powerful which scared Kace a little bit.
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Jory was certainly enjoying this lesson very much. Now Occlumency would be better to practice as that was the defensive method. He raised his hand again. "The person who has to defend their mind must empty it of all emotion, Professor,'' he said. Gosh. That sounded so impossible. yet it was possible as persons had done it before.
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"I think that would depend on the artist." She joked, chuckling softly. "An unclear memory would have many signs. Blurriness, muffled dialogue, unstable imagery... to just name a few that is. It would be different with each memory and each person."


"Riigght. Neither of these types of magic are easy and they do test your limits. Those who succeed the most though are not afraid to push past their limits to strengthen their will. A form of dominance yourself if you will, that is quite difficult to achieve. Still excellent thinking, Mister Montmorency." Medea smiled to the seventh year captain.

Careful, Professor.

All this talk of it being difficult and a tremendous feat made the Slytherin Captain want to try it. Not that he didn't already want to try it before or whatever...but he didn't need the encourage of a challenge.

Dylan liked being challenged...and worked best that way.

"Also...IF you were skilled enough, couldn't you go so far as to push thoughts into someone else's mind. Like...do a reverse?" He'd read this somewhere..."That'd go along with someone getting in your mind and causing you pain and such, I suppose."

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........They were actually going to DO this? Dylan paused, a slow grin forming on his face. THIS was quickly turning into his favorite Defense lesson ever...besides the one about shields. That lesson had just been...too awesome.

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"It's just the same, yea? Focus, concentration...like you'd exercise with all magic...Clearing your mind and not thinking about thoughts that might be "under attack"."

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Mika just blinked a bit, and listened to what everyone had been saying. This was going to be an interesting class right? She bit her lip and glanced at the Professor and then to the other students.

What was occlumency? She thought to herself and chewed on the end of her quill for a moment. Oh, ew…feathers. EWWWWW. That tasted gross. SO gross. Pulling a face she just sat there.

Raising her hand, “Professor, occlumency is the skill one can use to compartmentalize ones emotoins’ or prevent someone from discovering their thoughts or memories – if you are good enough at the compartmentalizing of emotions and stuff you can even plant false memories so as to confuse the person using Legilimency.” She nodded excitedly. Her cousin was SO a memory retriever for the American branch of the Ministry of Magic.
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Mmhmmm. "Certainly could be one way of doing it." Medea smiled in return, slowly nodding. "Although, coming from a different perspective, what if having the person relaxed makes it much more difficult to be able to read their mind? If, in this scenario, the person actually knows that their mind is going to be read that is. What would the legilimens do then?"


Goodness, she didn't know just which made her happier! All the amazing and CREATIVE ideas being tossed around or the fact that she JUST found Sonya...running into the back wall repeatedly. Well, least the little bird wasn't getting into too much trouble.

"As a recap, I'm sure we can all agree that legilimency has a variety of understandings and key fundamentals that makes it so difficult to achieve. Having a clear mind, focus and intent, and confidence unlike you have ever produced with a spell is needed, and eye contact generally seems to be the best way for the legilimens to gain access to someone's mind. Once you can manage to achieve the spell, it's only a matter of time and building up your skill level to where you can dive into deeper thoughts and memories and deeper emotions that the person may have hidden away."

"What you can do with this kind of magic at the tips of your fingers is quite honestly why legilimency has such a shady reputation though. There is nothing but personal gain with this magic. Information is the main focus most of the time, however, if skilled enough, one can make a person's mind fall into ruins. Slowly. Make them see things. Make them hurt. Make them go crazy or perhaps...detach their mind altogether." Fiddling with her fingers momentarily, Medea took a deep breath and smiiiiiled. "That is truly, terribly advanced magic though."

"Moving on, we touched on the subject of occlumency a few times. As I'm sure you've come to find out, occlumency is the act of preventing your mind from being accessed by the use of legilimency by magical means. When I say magical, I do not mean you need a wand and a spell. This magic is not something you can outwardly produce, so to speak. It's something you focus inside of yourself." Her hands were gesturing eveeerrryyyywhere, trying to make it easy for the students to understand. "Occlumency, in ways, is a bit harder to master than legilimency. It requires a great deal of will power and discipline with your mental and emotional state that is very difficult on it's own to describe. To pull it off flawlessly would be...a tremendous feat."

"We may not be doing practicing legilimency today, but I can let you practice a bit of occlumency. I have an activity set up that we can do towards the end of the lesson. You may not participate if you don't want to. That is entirely up to you. Before we get into that, does anyone know any other details on what occlumency is or how it is performed?"
Laura looked at the Professor, she was so confused now, wasn't it the Professor job to teach the class and not to confuse poor students because if it was she was failing badly. "Well then, eh they." Laura was struggling here. "Oh eh they would." Laura felt like being silly and trying to think of away out of this but she would she would behave.

Laura took a deep breath and tried her hardest to think of the answer, she decided that she would say it how she would do it. "Well if that was the case then I would say that they would somehow try and make the person too relaxed for their own good, so like if it was me I would try and make them so relaxed that they don't know what is going on." Laura thought that probably would work.

Laura then listed to the rest of what the Professor was saying and raised her hand. "That is where you have to try and stop your mind from being taken over, it's really hard because you have to clear your mind, so that there is nothing in there but as I said it's a really hard feat to achieve." Laura thought it was nearly impossible to do but it was.
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Of course she wasn't familiar with X-men. Forrest wasn't as disappointed as he used to be with wizards' ignorance to Muggle culture. He just offered the woman a small smile and shrugged. But looking into that... he grinned, looking away as he dreamt about it. He still didn't have any idea other than visions of X-men, but it appealed to him somehow. Hmm...

Forrest listened to the Professor as if he was hypnotised with his mouth open a little and intent eyes following her every action.

'...however, if skilled enough, one can make a person's mind fall into ruins. Slowly. Make them see things. Make them hurt. Make them go crazy or perhaps...detach their mind altogether...'

He gasped loudly and shuddered visibly as he shifted in his seat, looking troubled. And thus, he was out of the trance with a deep frown on his face as he looked on the floor. He had never experienced such a thing but the thought of it disturbed him greatly. Surely there was some sort of protection?

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Occlumency... Yes, he wanted to do that. His intent look was on his face again, though he looked different--more intense and determined. The thought of anyone penetrating into his mind... he shuddered again and didn't try to make any stupid guesses from X-men this time. This was serious, and he let the others answer.
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While she wrote everything on her parchment she heard about the lesson she stopped and looked up at the professor. This sounded really difficult to do and it seemed almost as if Legilimency was something… bad… And she was afraid that it would be REALLY difficult to learn how to use Occlumency, it sounded almost TOO difficult! But now that she had heard where Legilimency was used for she realized that it would not be cool to learn it. At first it had sounded fun and exciting but now she had suspected that it would be not a good idea to learn it, it would be possible that the people around her wouldn’t trust her because she knew how to use Legilimency…

She shook her head at the professor and said nothing, she had this time really NO IDEA how to answer the professor, but she wanted to participate in the last part of the lesson and to learn more, just to know how she could protect herself against the persons who wanted to hurt her, if there was somebody so evil. She wanted to learn how to protect herself because, well… her mind was really important and she was really smart! She thought that she was really smart and important!
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Goodness, she didn't know just which made her happier! All the amazing and CREATIVE ideas being tossed around or the fact that she JUST found Sonya...running into the back wall repeatedly. Well, least the little bird wasn't getting into too much trouble.

"As a recap, I'm sure we can all agree that legilimency has a variety of understandings and key fundamentals that makes it so difficult to achieve. Having a clear mind, focus and intent, and confidence unlike you have ever produced with a spell is needed, and eye contact generally seems to be the best way for the legilimens to gain access to someone's mind. Once you can manage to achieve the spell, it's only a matter of time and building up your skill level to where you can dive into deeper thoughts and memories and deeper emotions that the person may have hidden away."

"What you can do with this kind of magic at the tips of your fingers is quite honestly why legilimency has such a shady reputation though. There is nothing but personal gain with this magic. Information is the main focus most of the time, however, if skilled enough, one can make a person's mind fall into ruins. Slowly. Make them see things. Make them hurt. Make them go crazy or perhaps...detach their mind altogether." Fiddling with her fingers momentarily, Medea took a deep breath and smiiiiiled. "That is truly, terribly advanced magic though."

"Moving on, we touched on the subject of occlumency a few times. As I'm sure you've come to find out, occlumency is the act of preventing your mind from being accessed by the use of legilimency by magical means. When I say magical, I do not mean you need a wand and a spell. This magic is not something you can outwardly produce, so to speak. It's something you focus inside of yourself." Her hands were gesturing eveeerrryyyywhere, trying to make it easy for the students to understand. "Occlumency, in ways, is a bit harder to master than legilimency. It requires a great deal of will power and discipline with your mental and emotional state that is very difficult on it's own to describe. To pull it off flawlessly would be...a tremendous feat."

"We may not be doing practicing legilimency today, but I can let you practice a bit of occlumency. I have an activity set up that we can do towards the end of the lesson. You may not participate if you don't want to. That is entirely up to you. Before we get into that, does anyone know any other details on what occlumency is or how it is performed?"


Listening to everything that was said, Cassia took her time to process it all. Legilimency sounded both a big deal and a great kind of magic that to master shows how powerful the wizard but also it is kinda evil destructive to the human mind. As for occlumency it really did sound like the solution and an advanced level of magic as well.

After a couple of students answered, the Slytherin raised her hand and spoke. "Since occlumency is kind of the opposite of Legilimency , naturally it also needs concentration and a huge deal of it. And maybe to prevent the legilimens from succeeding; the person ,whose mind is about to be penetrated, should be more concentrated than the legilimens." She said. It was her opinion, though. "And since it's probably very hard to perfect, one can practice controlling their own minds, like to hide certain information and keep focusing on unimportant things," That'd be easier probably.

SO! What were they going to do? Did it have to do anything with that mechanical bird?
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Honestly, she was wondering when that question would pop up. "That is a very good question, Mister Stark." she started, shifting so her legs were under her and she were sitting on her heels. "Why are many things even allowed? Some things...that may seem cruel and immoral, can be used for the greater good. However, it's...honestly, it depends on which government you're talking about. Some find it useful and not as dangerous as others may perceive it. Some find it as a great defense as much as an offense when it comes to their law enforcement. Others...others just aren't as...troubled by the idea. The age restriction is meaningless to them. Greed...can be a powerful little worm."

Pausing for a moment, she glanced around the class before her gaze settled back on Ascanius. "Though of course, what you choose to do with such liberty is up to you."




Goodness, she didn't know just which made her happier! All the amazing and CREATIVE ideas being tossed around or the fact that she JUST found Sonya...running into the back wall repeatedly. Well, least the little bird wasn't getting into too much trouble.

"As a recap, I'm sure we can all agree that legilimency has a variety of understandings and key fundamentals that makes it so difficult to achieve. Having a clear mind, focus and intent, and confidence unlike you have ever produced with a spell is needed, and eye contact generally seems to be the best way for the legilimens to gain access to someone's mind. Once you can manage to achieve the spell, it's only a matter of time and building up your skill level to where you can dive into deeper thoughts and memories and deeper emotions that the person may have hidden away."

"What you can do with this kind of magic at the tips of your fingers is quite honestly why legilimency has such a shady reputation though. There is nothing but personal gain with this magic. Information is the main focus most of the time, however, if skilled enough, one can make a person's mind fall into ruins. Slowly. Make them see things. Make them hurt. Make them go crazy or perhaps...detach their mind altogether." Fiddling with her fingers momentarily, Medea took a deep breath and smiiiiiled. "That is truly, terribly advanced magic though."

"Moving on, we touched on the subject of occlumency a few times. As I'm sure you've come to find out, occlumency is the act of preventing your mind from being accessed by the use of legilimency by magical means. When I say magical, I do not mean you need a wand and a spell. This magic is not something you can outwardly produce, so to speak. It's something you focus inside of yourself." Her hands were gesturing eveeerrryyyywhere, trying to make it easy for the students to understand. "Occlumency, in ways, is a bit harder to master than legilimency. It requires a great deal of will power and discipline with your mental and emotional state that is very difficult on it's own to describe. To pull it off flawlessly would be...a tremendous feat."

"We may not be doing practicing legilimency today, but I can let you practice a bit of occlumency. I have an activity set up that we can do towards the end of the lesson. You may not participate if you don't want to. That is entirely up to you. Before we get into that, does anyone know any other details on what occlumency is or how it is performed?"


So that was really just a roundabout what of the really pretty Professor to thrust the Spider-Man psychology on him. The whole with great power comes great responsibility thing, yeah? But he knew that much. He had seen all those movies, after all.

What the fourth year didn't understand was WHY they didn't just outlaw it straight up. Sounded dangerous to him. Then again he was sort of leery of magic to begin with, yeah? Lots of power, one place, excuse got laziness, all that. Though, it was starting to grow on him, ish. Eh.

But he didn't press her anymore, MORE because she was a female Professor and there was no need to push her buttons. Mhmm.

And then she was explaining some foreign technique called occulemency or something. It was apparently a way to shield himself. So basically there was SUCH a problem with this form of magic that....ahem, they had to come up with a way to protect themselves. Yeah, that was what he thought. Bad idea.

Although, he didn't have the SLIGHTEST clue how it worked, so he just waited and watched Professor Romanos VERY carefully on her mat for reasons.
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Okay so maybe she had been wrong with the weakest point bit, but she listened to what the others said and understood more now. Nodding here and there, even taking some notes.And then when the Professor spoke once more, the Hufflepuff just continued listening.

Her frown from before went away and the smile returned.

Occlumency, that would do. It may have not been Legilimency but for sure it was a good skill to obtain. One that could save your minds most private thoughts. For sure she'd be staying for the activity, it was too exciting to miss something like that.

As for the Professor's question on details the Hufflepuff raised her hand. "I think Occlumency is pretty much performed how everyone said. It needs concentration and of course will power. I also think perseverance is important, because you mustn't give up in blocking your mind, but I think once you start and achieve in creating a brick wall it becomes easier to maintain the blocking?" She wouldn't know too much what it was like, but she guessed. In most cases once the hardest part was over, things were easier...but then was the beginning part of occlumency really the hardest? Pout.
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If she could become any happier, it would've been with that speculation right there. "There are always benefits when it comes with practice, Mister Summers." she started, moving around so her legs were underneath her and she was sitting on her heels. "Nonverbal magic is something all spells have in common but, with legilimency, you're right when it comes to diving deeper into one's mind."

"Naturally, when first attempting this spell, you can only get so far. It doesn't so much matter if you read an entire book on the human mind prior to trying. However, knowledge does play it's part in this. For example, think of an endless maze. As your first journey into it, you no doubt twist and turn into dead ends and round-a-bout circles. BUT, with a little knowledge on where you are and the right tools, you can go to just about anywhere you want to." Letting that sink in for a moment, she smiled and continued. "Though it is not easy. Legilimency takes much time to figure out and understand, but essentially, yes. The more skill you have in the art, the easier it will be for you to dive deeper into the person's memories, thoughts, and emotions."

His theory on being forced to perform legilimency was interesting. "Indeed, it is. Intent does play it's part in the spellwork, though be careful in your wording, Mister Summers. There are quite a few ways one can be forced into doing something, some methods more effective than others when it comes to performing spells and how far we are willing to stretch our limits."



Goodness, she didn't know just which made her happier! All the amazing and CREATIVE ideas being tossed around or the fact that she JUST found Sonya...running into the back wall repeatedly. Well, least the little bird wasn't getting into too much trouble.

"As a recap, I'm sure we can all agree that legilimency has a variety of understandings and key fundamentals that makes it so difficult to achieve. Having a clear mind, focus and intent, and confidence unlike you have ever produced with a spell is needed, and eye contact generally seems to be the best way for the legilimens to gain access to someone's mind. Once you can manage to achieve the spell, it's only a matter of time and building up your skill level to where you can dive into deeper thoughts and memories and deeper emotions that the person may have hidden away."

"What you can do with this kind of magic at the tips of your fingers is quite honestly why legilimency has such a shady reputation though. There is nothing but personal gain with this magic. Information is the main focus most of the time, however, if skilled enough, one can make a person's mind fall into ruins. Slowly. Make them see things. Make them hurt. Make them go crazy or perhaps...detach their mind altogether." Fiddling with her fingers momentarily, Medea took a deep breath and smiiiiiled. "That is truly, terribly advanced magic though."

"Moving on, we touched on the subject of occlumency a few times. As I'm sure you've come to find out, occlumency is the act of preventing your mind from being accessed by the use of legilimency by magical means. When I say magical, I do not mean you need a wand and a spell. This magic is not something you can outwardly produce, so to speak. It's something you focus inside of yourself." Her hands were gesturing eveeerrryyyywhere, trying to make it easy for the students to understand. "Occlumency, in ways, is a bit harder to master than legilimency. It requires a great deal of will power and discipline with your mental and emotional state that is very difficult on it's own to describe. To pull it off flawlessly would be...a tremendous feat."

"We may not be doing practicing legilimency today, but I can let you practice a bit of occlumency. I have an activity set up that we can do towards the end of the lesson. You may not participate if you don't want to. That is entirely up to you. Before we get into that, does anyone know any other details on what occlumency is or how it is performed?"


Alec listened intently to Romanos's explanation and thoughts on his answer. And the connection with the maze? That made things a lot easier to remember and understand and so, the boy nodded along to what she was saying. He also couldn't help but feel really happy and slightly proud that he was more or less right. It was like he had just eaten a good amount of ice cream.

... Speaking of ice cream, when was the next break? And when was this ice cream party taking place? GRIN.

The Hufflepuff shook his head and turned his attention back to Romanos, who was talking to the class in general. He pulled out his journal and a quill and started scribbling down some notes as the woman spoke. It was probably one of those things that he needed to think about and say in his own words until he remembered things properly but... it couldn't help to write down what Romanos was saying.

Also... pink elephants?

... Oh! They were going to be practising the art of occlumency? ... Yeah, he wasn't going to do well in that. Too much thinking, way too much! But... question. The boy paused for a couple of minutes before raising his hand in the air. "Professor? If how skilled you are in Legilimency can affect how far you delve into someone's mind, can your skill level with Occlumency also affect how great of an Occlumens you are?" ... Did that... make sense?

"I mean..." Let's answer the question, yeah Summers? "There are different forms, right? You have the one that people have mentioned where you clear all thoughts and emotions but then you also have the type where the Occlumens will suppress the emotions and thoughts that would contradict what they want the Legilimens to believe." ... Or... something.
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After a couple of students answered, Nerida raised her hand and spoke. "I think Occlumency would need major amounts of concentration to prevent the Legilimens from entering their mind. Like some of the others said about clearing all emotion, I think you would have to clear out everything. The only thoughts you are thinking about is concentration on blocking the legilimens out."
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Keeping ones mind completely blank was hard business and Ella didn't think she'd ever be able to do anything like that. Her mind was just filled with too many things at any given time and clearing it out would be exhausting.

"Yoga would probably help in preparing for something like this, Professor." Not that she was a fan but still. No boat poses, please. "It aids in the clearing of your mind and the centering yourself, both things you'd need to do to master occlumency."
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