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The story was pretty long. Just by hearing all of it, it seemed like she had been fooled by Disney. She grew up believing them. But they were all lies. Almost crying, she couldn't contain the fact that Cinderella was called deformed by her father. Erin thought, her father loved her. Erin regained herself and raised her hand for a response, "In the Disney version, Cinderella's father never called her deformed. He loved her and he would never let anyone hurt her daughter. She would always come first. And he had an untimely death in the Disney version. Whereas on the the one you just read to us, he's alive." And this really broke her heart, fairytales were fairytales for a reason. Why would anyone have a version of it? Did it even came first? Pffft! "In books, violence could be written easier. I mean it's not moderated that much compared to televisions. In films like the Disney made, audience are broader. So in Grimm's they have reasons to do it violently. I just don't think, it could pass as a children's story. Is it really a children's book Professor?" 'Cause she herself wasn't sure anymore. |
Laura looked at the Professor and raised her hand. "Well the Disney company loves children so they will be non violet and the Brother Grim version isn't from Disney so they won't care." Laura smiled. "So the Brother Grim version will be a lot more violent than the disney version." |
Ella knew both Cinderella stories quite well. Her Gran quite liked to act out the more realistic version with her drama group, something which was always quite comical to watch. For whatever reason, Gran always insisted on playing the mean old step mother and it was sometimes quite frightening to Ella! Knowing Gran could act so mean made her never want to cross the woman. There were numerous differences between the two versions that Professor Cerulean had mentioned. The biggest and grossest in Ella's opinion, was the self mutilation part. "Professor I guess the big difference to me is the scary reality of the girls cutting off parts of their feet to fit them into the shoes! In the Disney version, they're desperate to marry the prince but not that desperate. The Grimm's version is much darker and shows just how far they were willing to go to get what they want." Imagine cutting off a toe for a boy?! It seemed incredibly ridiculous to Ella. She would NEVER do something like that. ...Well unless the boy had a lifetime supply of ice cream and gummy worms. Then maybe she'd consider it. |
Minerva listened to both stories, she had never her the Grimm's version and it showed on her face as she listened. The horror came through her shocked open mouth and and looked down at her hot chocolate. Once it was over she listened to the professor and the other students. Putting up her hand she answered "Professor I think the Disney version gets the points across without making it hard to listen to. Children enjoy the story and that is what Disney does. They give children movies they can understand and enjoy. The other version is for older children and has a harder story line that shows darkness." She put her hand down and took a sip of her hot chocolate. |
Major catch up again As Alyssa popped the snack into her mouth, she listened to both stories before raising her hand and answering. "Professor, the Disney version is less violent and has a happy happy feeling to it. There was the fairy godmother and even though the step mom and sisters were mean, they weren't portrayed as totally evil." "Disney tended to make movies that tended to cater to the younger aged audience as they didn't want their audiences to end up having nightmares and not coming back to watch any more of their movies." "Unlike the Brother's Grimm version. It was a lot darker, maybe more realistic because we all know that's what real life is more about.". "The Brother's Grimm never thought about the possibility of their stories scaring young children. Sometimes I think that some of their stories were mean to teach children that if they were bad, bad things would happen to them." Alyssa wondered why they did that though as she continued to munch on her snack. |
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What were the key differences? Up goes the hand "The Disney version makes it easier for children to listen and remember the story because its all a feel good story. It teaches lessons in a far more subtle way, which perhaps works best for Muggle children. The original Grimms Brothers sounds like a tale that would be a better fit for older children, maybe those in their teens or even adults, right around the time when they start with their wicked ways." |
Hearing the actual tale made Emmanuelle feel slightly nauseous. No wonder Disney had sugar coated it. Who wants to read about wicked girls who chop off pieces of their own bodies?! Her hand shot up into the air to answer the question. "The Grimms version has a lot of loss of body parts. Probably because Disney understood that younger children wouldn't want to hear a story that violent. But maybe times were more violent when Grimm wrote the tales and so children back then could handle it...?" Yikes, that was a disturbing thought in itself! |
Question 5 The professor smiled at all of the students as they shared the differences they saw. "Yes you are correct that this story is a little bit more violent and mature, but you have to remember that many of these stories were actually linked to events in history and if you look at history, either Muggle or Wizard, you'll find lots of disturbing stories." she said quickly, "The Brother's Grimm researched a variety of stories, actually over 200, some of them are familiar to us and some of them were lost over the years. They have the less sugar coated versions, which remember may be more close to the actual story, for stories such as Snow White, The Little Mermaid, Rapunzel, Hansel and Gretel, The Golden Goose, etc." She walked up to the screen and tapped once and a list of the stories started scrolling across. She gave the students a few minutes to read through them and see if they recognized any of them. SPOILER!!: List of Known Brothers Grimm Fairy Tales Once the list had scrolled through completely she glanced back at the students, "So you can see that they truly did devote their lives to learning the truth behind many fairy tales. Many of the stories are a little bit more graphic than Cinderella so I don't want to share them all in class." she said closing the book and setting it down, "However, if you would be interested in hearing any of the other stories, please come see me and we will discuss it." She stepped back towards the circle and had a seat in her original spot. She took a quick drink and then continued, "And just like the Brothers Grimm version of Cinderella is a lot different than the sugar coated Disney movie that many of us are familiar with, the story of Cinderella is different all over the world. There are a variety of different forms of the story depending on which country you or region you grew up in. " she said looking around the circle and placing her blanket over her lap as a little breeze blew through the room. "For instance, there is a Native American version that is way different than the one we are used to..." she took a breath and then shared the story. SPOILER!!: The Indian Cinderella Story She let the story sink in for a few minutes and then asked, "Has anyone else heard of different variations of the Cinderella story...what is a brief explanation of the story and where is it from?" she asked truly interested in the different versions from around the world. She had read a couple of them but was always interested in hearing more. OOC: Feel free to catch up with the lesson at any point by putting Catching Up in the title of your post. Please remember to raise your hand and try not to repeat others’ answers. Remember that Gemma is watching. I don't mind if you use the internet for help with this one...I mean I did, but please don't plagiarize and don't just copy and paste. And if you could put a little Link at the bottom of your post from where you got the story if you found it online, mainly because I'm curious to read the whole version in RL. Thanks! |
Minerva put her hand up, "Professor I saw a movie once that did Cinderella as a normal high school girl. Being bossed around by her step mother at the diner her step mother owned as well as at home. The prince was just a really cute boy at school that she liked and her step sisters liked, but as in the fairy tale this Cinderella won her prince at the end." Minerva put her hand down again and waited for others to answer. |
Vickers listened intently. Well that Native American story was different indeed. Was there another version he's read about? Given that he was going mostly on readings and not Muggle movies he shook his head slowly "The version I know is pretty much what we discussed Professor-- the ones chronicled by the Grimms. I did notice though that as the story was retold Cinderella's real name was changed or lost.... some say it was Ella and the word cinder was prefixed to it because she was always covered in soot, others have different versions of her first name and like your story, Cinderella was just a cruel nickname." |
Oakey had think about this one. He had once heard a story like Cinderella from Granny Gunter. Professor there was tale called The Green Knight, that may be similar to Cinderella. In this tale there is an evil countess and her daughter that trick a Princess in letting the Countess Marry her Father. He paused for a moment. Remembering some more of the story. I think a major difference in the two stories is that Cinderella never really had a father figure while the Princess did |
Alyssa thought for awhile before she raised her hand. "Professor I remember watching a movie called Ever After: A Cinderella Story and in this story, Ella's father married this woman who had two step daughters.". "At first her stepmother was kind but when her father died, the step mother hated her because she reminded her of her father. Then Ella was mistreated and she was made to do all the house chores because the family got poor and they had to sell all their servants." "In this story, Ella met the Prince when she told him off for mistreating his horse. In this story there was no fairy godmother and she was almost sold to another rich man because she was the last thing to sell in their house." "In this story she made friends with a man called Leonardo Da Vinci, who in a way was like her fairy godmother because he found ways to get her to the ball. Anyway to make long story short, the younger step sister helped her get to the ball where she danced with the Prince." "Only in this one, the Prince was kind of a snob and when he found out that Ella was poor, he didn't like her because he thought that she had lied to her." "But somehow they made up after some major headaches and lived happily ever after. The End." |
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Jory raised a hand. "There's the common version where Cinderella's dad dies and she's left with her step mother and step sister,'' he said trying to remember what he had once read to his sister. "Cinderella's step sisters and mom were very cruel to her and she was forced to do all the house work. She met the Prince when his father gave a ball so that the prince could find a girl he liked. Cinderella got help from her fairy god mother to go to the ball but was told to return before midnight because all the spells would be broken. She did manage to make it home but lost a glass shoe. The Prince went around the kingdom fitting the shoe on every young lady including Cinderella's step sisters. The step mother had locked Cinderella away but she managed to escape and she was fitted with the shoe and not after she and the Prince were married.'' |
Chelle grinned excitedly. Cinderella was, after all, her favourite fairytale. And she had seen countless films based on this fairytale. "Professor, I've watched a lot of movies which retold the story of this girl in many different and modern ways. One such story, for example, could be Ella Enchanted. It is a Muggle musical film starring Anne Hathaway, one of my favourite Muggle actresses. In this story, Ella is the protagonist and she lives with her stepmother and two stepsisters, and she had been given a gift at birth. The gift was to be the most obedient of all, and it was more a curse than a gift," she said. |
Janice thought bout the Indian version of Cinderella. It was not as brutal as the original Brothers' translation, but it also revolves around the same topic. Cinderella tortured by step sisters, prince came, sisters tried to appeal but with no use, Cinderella tried and married the prince, sisters punished, prince and princess live hapilly eveer after, the end. End of story. But it's an answer rather than nothing. Janice raised her hand and answered. "In some versions, the sisters didn't get punished; Cinderella had forgiven them and accepted their apology. Or it wasn't a shoe or slipper, but something else." |
It was great to find out that there were actually some other versions of Cinderella other than the one that every child used to listen to. "In some of the version, Cinderella was called as the Cinder maid and was mentioned in this way even on the topic of the story, instead of Cinderella,"Tiffany replied with her hand raised up in the air. "In some of the stories(England version), the two stepsisters of Cinderella had names like Lemon and Orange."She chuckled. That was quite funny that people had names like that indeed. source |
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Ella raised her hand, thinking of a very strange version of the tale she had read in her old school's library. "Professor, there is a muggle version called Cindy Ellen and it's a wild west version of the tale. It originated in the states, I think. In it, Cindy Ellen's evil stepmother and stepsisters keep her from attending a big rodeo." Which in Ella's mind, seemed a bit ridiculous, but she wasn't one for rodeos anyway. "I didn't particularly like this version though it's nice for people who live on ranches and such." Something they could relate to. |
Hmmm. Hannah didn't know much of anything about muggle fairytales, but one thing did come to her mind. It sounded like the stories the professor read and she decided to go ahead and give her imput. With a raised hand she said "There's the Fair, Brown, and Trembling tale. I think it's pretty similar to the stories you have told us. There were evil sisters and helpful birds and stuff." OOC: I got this here. |
Annabelle remembering watching a movie dealing with the Cinderella tale. "Professor i have seen the movie A Cinderella Story. It is about a high school senior Sam Montgomery ( played by Hilary Duff) lives at the beck and call of her self-obsessed step-mother Fiona and her sinfully wicked step-sisters, who treat her more like a servant than a member of the family. Sam finds her less-than-sparkling social life wonderfully complicated when she meets her prince charming online. But when her anonymous cyber soul mate turns out to be her high school's über-popular quarterback Austin Ames, Sam makes a mad dash back to reality, leaving her cell phone behind just before the clock strikes midnight." Belle loved this movie and it was a good movie for teens to watch like her age. |
Nigel had to think hard because he was not a big fan of Cinderella and did not know movies off the top of his head. But he did recall reading one book that might have been a retelling. He raised his hand and said. "Professor there is the book Ella Enchanted by Gail Carson Levine. It is a retelling of Cinderella with fairies, elves, ogres, gnomes, and giants in it." And that was all Nigel knew about different versions of Cinderella. |
Justin listened to the stories and he himself preferred the Grimm version, but he raised his hand and answered the best he could, " Professor I think that the Disney version is more appropriatefor small children. But I also think that the Grimm version can enlighten children to the horrors of the world they live in.... " he said. |
MASS CATCH-UP! / *blames Idol* SPOILER!!: Question #1 Dylan, wearing his dark grey flannel pants and white shirt, curled up in his dark green blanket. This lesson was out of character for him a bit...considering...but Indy was inspiring change in him. Of course, he was just going to blame his attending on her. It was easier than having to think about it too much...Yes, yes...It surely was. Listening to the Professor, he thought silently about what 'Fairy Tales' his mother might have read to him as a child...There hadn't been many. Dylan didn't too much like change as a child and had wanted to hear the same stories over and over again. They were like a security blanket for him...So, thinking about that...he raised his hand, "Ma'am...Robin Hood?" There had been many versions of it...but he'd enjoyed the one with Robin being the fox...and Little John being the huge bear... SPOILER!!: Question #2 Making a face, Dylan grabbed a stick from the basket...Then chocolate pieces and marshmellows where being passed around. The Slytherin smirked. He'd really needed some chocolate, too...How had the good Professor known? Grabbing pieces when they made their way around to him, he went about putting his s'more together. Of course, another question was being asked...and Dylan thought he might just use his favorite fairy tale as an example. "Well, like in Robin Hood...Robin was obviously the Protagonist, along with his merry men...While the mean King John was the Antagonist, with the evil sheriff of Nottingham." SPOILER!!: Question #3 So...they were heating their s'mores now...Layering his on his stick, he put it out there, rotating it around so that it could get this golden brown color the Professor had been talking about. After a few moments, the Slytherin figured it was finished and pulled it out of the fire...Allowing it to cool for a moment, he turned his attention back towards the teacher... Two wishes? Didn't she mean...three? It was always three? Not really wanting to waste the energy to correct or say anything at this point...Dylan took a bit of his treat. Merlin, he'd really needed chocolate...and kinda purred a little when it met his tongue. It was so good... Hmm...*hand raise-age...kinda* "I'd wish was an endless supply of Felix Felicis...and that'd be it." Dylan was happy with his life...and happy with how things were currently. He'd heard someone about about unfreezing those laying in the hospital wing...but the Slytherin wouldn't waste a wish on them, if he were being honest. They'd obviously done SOMETHING that got themselves into that predicament. It was teach them not to be so mindless and stupid. And Vicky was saying something about wishing for Ravenclaw to win the House Cup...Eyeing him for a moment, Dylan smirked. Not likely, buddy......and some little Second Year Slytherin was going to wish to rule the world. Um...No. Just no. Leave it to the older Slythies, love... nom, nom, nom SPOILER!!: Question #4 Dylan blinked at the Professor...having no idea what he'd just heard. The mother making the girl cut off her heel? Really? He started laughing...not being able to help himself. Some girls were so desperate. He would have been mortified if a girl did that...He probably wouldn't have taken her back...but to the nearest nut house... They were obviously muggle, too...There was such a thing as a shrinking charm... *cough* Just saying... "Those...were interesting...Um, obviously one was MUCH MORE dark in nature than the Disney version. To be honest, I think that's what's made the Disney movies so popular. They're pleasant and...more acceptable." His mother would NOT have ever read something so dark to him...Nor would she have allowed him to even have possession of such a book. She was...funny like that. SPOILER!!: Question #5 nom, nom, nom, nom... Dylan continued devouring the s'more...having already gotten the stuff to make two additional treats. Chocolate...He just loved it so much. Really...There was nothing better... Comparison stories, eh? Did he know of any other versions of Cinderella? Thinking for a moment...there was this one by his mother's favorite author. He'd heard her talking about the story at her book club when he decided to tag along... Raising his hand again, he smirked. "...I remember hearing about this one called...Phoenix and Ashes...I think that's the name. Although, this one involves a lot of magical references and talking about elemental magic and what not. The base story still has the parallels, though. A girl who has a father, who is killed...is forced to be raised by step parent who's evil. It's the gist of Cinderella..." Finishing off his third s'more...he subconsciously patted his belly. Okay, he was ready for real food, now... CLICKY ME! |
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