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Everyone was giving great answers! Gabi was pleased with how many students thought outside the box - there wasn't an overwhelming majority on either side, which was just lovely. She nodded and smiled at each student as they stood up and stated their case, picking a few answers to ask follow up questions on and hopefully get a bit more discussion going on.
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Originally Posted by Felixir  Not in a bad mood so much as in no mood at all, the revelation that they were supposed to move around was not irritating, not like it might have been on another window-watching day. When it was their turn, Nem let their chair fall forwards again, slamming back down onto four legs, then scraped it back and stood. They hadn't decided which side of the room they were going to walk to until that moment, but once they were up on their feet, they knew where they were going.
Nem made as though to cross the room, but came to a stop in the centre and faced their Head of House again. Given two options and taking a third; sort of entirely on brand. "I don't have an opinion either way," they said simply. I don't care. I don't care. Right. Wrong. I don't care. "Wouldn't want to make that call anyway, on the subject of right and wrong. I wasn't there. I wasn't in his head." Nem threw that crumb of morality in as an afterthought, it being second nature by this point to provide themselves with some kind of... cover. Quote:
Originally Posted by BanaBatGirl Bernadette had been, of course, on the "wrong" side of the room. When was she not in the wrong in this school. She heaved a sigh and moved to pick herself up, to move to the other side, to the right side. Yes. Dumbledore was r---
Oh, what? There was a third option? Trust her friend or whatever Nem to find another way. Bernie paused in her passing by and considered Nem's points.
Naturally, she was going to stick by their side to see what happened, adding a simple, "I agree with Nemesis." She also found it difficult to care about ancient history from the twentieth century, but she'd entertain the thought for the professor's sake. Because she was just that nice of a student. And because Dumbledore was cool, or so she'd read. Quote:
Originally Posted by FearlessLeader19 There was something about attending Reccard’s lesson that made her feel better. Perhaps it was the fact that the Healer was so encouraging about the responses Claudine had given so far. She found that throwing herself into lessons helped to forget about her anger about the current state of the school. But hmmm… Wasn’t this an interesting activity? The girl sat there as she pondered on the question. Wasn’t there an option for those who felt indifferent to Dumbledore’s choice? Like remaining in their seats?
It certainly seemed that she wasn’t the only student thinking along these lines. Up went one of Claudine’s hands as she remained sitting in her seat. “As an outsider to the situation, I feel indifferent to the situation.’’ Hey, it was one hundred percent honesty.
Under normal circumstances, Gabi would have sighed heavily, rolled her eyes, and massaged her temples as a group of students who couldn't follow a simple instruction decided to NOT participate. Despite her eyes narrowing in obvious annoyance, she held back considering the fact that they were ALL going through it right now - she wasn't about to make a HUGE scene about them abstaining from the question. But that didn't mean she was pleased.
"I appreciate your honesty, but the point of this exercise is to push yourselves to make a decision based on what we know about Dumbledore and the prophecy. If you simply cannot make a decision either way - I'm going to need you to elaborate on WHY. Simply saying you weren't there so you don't know defeats the entire purpose of historical debate," she reminded them gently.
That was also her way of saying that she would NOT be asking them again.
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Originally Posted by AlwaysSnapesGirl There had been a lot of good answers, and Ivy could see the merit in both sides to some extent - and a third side that Nemesis and Bernie were claiming? - but ultimately...she slipped out of her seat and moved over to the left side.
"I don't think Dumbeldore was wrong to not tell Harry the second he came to Hogwarts." It wasn't something you just dropped on an eleven year old kid. It just wasn't. "But," she continued, "I do think he was wrong in not telling him later at some point. Especially when Dumbledore knew he would have to die himself. The whole plan could've fallen apart if Harry didn't coincidentally happen to be there just in time to see Voldemort kill Severus Snape and get the memories from him before he died too." Because if Harry hadn't been there...then what? Why would Dumbledore leave such a big part of his plan to chance? Ivy had brought up a very interesting point. "Good thinking, Miss Grimm. Albus essentially died not knowing whether or not Harry would EVER learn the truth about being a Horcrux. In a way, it fell on Snape to deliver that news - and you're right. If Harry hadn't been there the moment he died, he may have never known and things would have played out differently. By NOT telling him, it could be argued that Albus was taking a big risk."
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Originally Posted by PatInTheHat Surprise surprise, professor. If there was something Octavia had mastered years ago it was simultaneously paying attention to a lesson while also focusing on her friends. Or people she found fascinating. And Nem was a very fascinating distraction. They were much more interesting than talking about Dumbledore, to say the least. Or thinking about the heavy stuff that plagued her mind.
There was something triggering about the question posed to them and the instructions given. Something that made her think about the current situation, past situations, and the parents who so haphazardly continued to send their kids to Hogwarts despite the decades of threats and death that plagued the school.
Her thoughts were everywhere and she couldn't bring herself to either side when she noticed Nem and Bernie choosing a third option. Octavia considered all three... and then went over to the third option.
"It's not that simple." Sadly her staring at Nem took a back burner while she processed the questioned. "Harry Potter had to die. He had to die at the time he did. It was to save the world. I'm not justifying what Dumbledore did, but I am saying that his decision was a heavy burden to bear. We don't really know how he felt about it. I don't know what I would have done in his place." There were too many variables and her Ravenclaw brain was working in overdrive. Something that was more common now than when the term had started. While Gabi wasn't pleased that Tavie went over and joined the small group who had made their own option to the question - she was the only one who elaborated on her decision. It was a rather RAVENCLAW answer of her, of course, but still - she'd at least given a reason.
"Interesting point Miss Stark, and thank you for elaborating," she responded. She did understand WHY the small group of students had decided to remain impartial to the moral question at hand, but she was the only one to point out the complexity of the issue. "You bring up an excellent point that it is an extreme burden to bear - and a position that we will likely NEVER find ourselves in, thankfully," she gave a small head nod to the girl.
See? If Tavie could successfully give an answer to the question while remaining in the middle, the other three certainly could as well!
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Originally Posted by Tegz Oh, class had started.
Flynn had legitimately not noticed and it could have been seconds or minutes or almost all done for all he could tell, except that the list of information on the board suggested that it had been a while already. He blinked a bit, realising that people had... moved. He hadn't moved. Flynn had stayed where he was, only just noticing anything was going on when Kale's hand disappeared from his own.
Apparently they were talking about.... Albus Dumbledore? Flynn read the stuff on the board. He wasn't exactly sure what the topic was beyond that or why people were moving or why Bernie and Nem were hovering in the middle, but he heard his bff's voice ring out and he turned a little in his seat, looking at Tavie as she spoke and then he blinked again. Something about Harry Potter having to die. Yeah he was still none the wiser about what the task was here. Fifi spoke up next and there was something about this, Tavie and then Fifi giving an answer, that brought back a sense of comfort, since they had all been at school together before Hogwarts and it had often gone exactly that way back then. Something about a secret though....? He still wasn't piecing together whatever the question was. Then a second year said something about a horcrux. Ummm...
Yeah no, Flynn still wasn't sure.
But honestly? He didn't care enough to ask, so he stayed sitting where he was, a slight frown on his face. Focusing in HoM had been rough even before all this, but now? Not a chance. Flynn was...not moving, and Gabi couldn't be 100% sure, but she didn't think it was because he was having trouble making a decision on the matter. He seemed...lost? "Are you ok, Mister Whitlock?" she asked, raising an eyebrow in concern.
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Originally Posted by Kolyander Given her response to the previous question, Dahlia wasn't entirely sure how she felt about the situation as a whole. No one knew exactly what Dumbledore was thinking or how he felt about the secrets in which he had been meant to bear. Would Harry Potter have wanted to know about it all from the very start. These were things no one could answer except the two men in question... and answers weren't going to be coming from them anymore.
As a small eleven year old first year herself, would she want to know if she HAD to die to save everyone else? Truthfully, no. She really didn't think she would. Knowing you're going to HAVE to die... that's scary. It's a burden too big to carry... and to place that upon the shoulders of a boy that had no clue about anything in this magical world of theirs. Maybe Dumbledore was right in not telling him. At least when he was young.
Lia chewed at her lip, slowly raising her hand. "This is a hard decision to make. I feel like both sides are equally valid in their own right, when looked at a certain way. Right now, at eleven years old... I personally think knowing that I HAD to die in order to save everyone else... I don't think I could handle it. It should be a choice to make on one's own." Or maybe not. Given the time to consider it, if she had to choose between herself and her family, she would choose them. Without a doubt she knew she would do anything she had to do, if it meant they were safe.
"Good point! Many times when debating this subject, we often forget about the person who had the most to gain or lose from Dumbledore's decision - Harry himself. That burden is an enormous one to bear - especially for a child - and I think we can reasonably assume that this played a part in Dumbledore's decision," she concluded.
They still had a few who had yet to make their decision, so she paused and waited for he remaining students to make their cases.
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