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"So...does that imply that, if we assume that this equation actually works, that we may be missing out on some forms of civilization simply because it developed faster or because the civilization died out prematurely for whatever reason?" she asked tapping her finger against her lips.
Kurumi was still holding out for an activity involving star charts, but that was seeming like less of a possibility by the minute.
Risu shrugged. "Most likely yes. The factors in the equation are supposed to be as accurate as possible, of course, but some of them are averaged and others can't ever be much better than an educated guess. Without investigating every single star and every planet in our galaxy for a definite yes or no, that's how it works. All we can hope to do, if we work with this equation, is to close in on the true values of those factors as much as possible. Now, as I said, I don't think most of them can be known to any degree of accuracy, but if you
somehow figured out that the average developed civilisation lasted, say, 550 years before inevitably dying out, then that would be a good value for
L."
Risu tapped at the letter on the blackboard. "Since this is an average this will mean that some civilisations will not be included in this factor. A particularly violent civilisation might blow up its planet within 100 years, for instance, and a peaceful alien race might exist for a thousand years, but this would mean that a bog-standard civilisation could be expected to transmit signals for 550 years." He paused and grinned. "I do hope I calculated that correctly. Of course, with just two examples, 550 years for
L would still be nothing more than a guess - perhaps the majority of alien life is peaceful, which would mean the true value of
L is closer to 1000 than 550, but if we knew about, say, 20 civilisations, then we could get a better average."
He shrugged again. "But the most important criticism still stands, in my opinion. It seems very, very improbable to me that we will figure out more than, perhaps, one or two of these factors. Not in my lifetime, at least," he added with another grin.
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"Are there any aliens at all?" She asked as she raised her hand. Really, this was making her former hyper mood all turn into annoyance. Why were they all contradicting her? Zara sank back into her seat, a small frown on her face.
Risu pointed at the next student and listened to her question. He smiled and gave another little shrug. "That
is the question. If you ask me, I'll say yes, I do think so, but no one can give a definite answer until we actually do find other forms of life."
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Chloe was glad they were just moving on this. This curremt topic was so up in the air. How could the equation ever be accurate. Even if we did have all the information needed, how would information like that help us figure out how much alien life form is out there. Chloe did have a question on this matter, how could anyone sane believe it could ever be accurate, but she had to say it nicely. Chloe raised her hand and said, "Professor, how would the factors presented in the eqution even if we did know all the answers give us any Earthly idea how much alien life form is out there. what if signals are not inteligent life, but rather a star combustion. Or perhaps the same civilization visits other planets and sends signals form there. The factors even if we could get them could be be skewed. I personally think in the wide universe out there we are gonna be served quite a few curve balls with a formula like drakes equation don't you think?.".
He nodded. "I do agree. You might be aware, perhaps, of the rather famous story surrounding the discovery of pulsars."
Risu looked around at the students for any sign of recognition. As far as he could see, there was none. "Perhaps not as famous as it is in astronomer circles." He smiled. "Really quickly, then: A pulsar is a certain type of star that's spinning very, very fast, sending off a beam of radiation with every rotation. These beams come at very regular intervals, one every few seconds." He paused, and then an analogy occurred to him. "Think of a lighthouse. Now, because these pulses of energy were so regular and smooth, when they were first discovered they became known as LGM-1, LGM standing for
little green men. At that time, it was unheard of that a natural object such as a pulsar could be as regular as clockwork.
"My point then is, and yours too, I presume, is that even if we discover a certain type of signal, we can't automatically assume that it is coming from," he smiled, "little green men. Perhaps a natural source is more likely."
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‘Alien life, such as bacteria, has been theorized by scientists to exist in the Solar System and quite possibly throughout the Universe.’, Gwendolyn started saying. Without caring about what she said before, she continued: ‘The ability to form organic acids and amine bases gives rise to the possibility of neutralization dehydrating reactions to build long polymer peptides and catalytic proteins from monomer amino acids, and with phosphates to build not only DNA, but also ATP. ‘
After having finished with that, she made a short break, just to try thinking if what she said made sense.
‘Due to their relative abundance and usefulness in sustaining life, many have hypothesized that life forms elsewhere in the universe would also utilize these basic materials. Is that true? But if not, what does the DNA of an alien look like? I mean, I know no one knows exactley, but is it the same with one of a human’s, similar to one of a human’s ore…totally different?’, the girl asked.
"You, er, must have a very big interest in biology, I guess," Risu said. "Well. A lot of the search for alien life assumes that this life will be similar to life on Earth in some respects. It'll need water and an atmosphere, and so on. If that were the case, then yes, it would probably employ similar chemical components. Maybe not DNA, but another molecule. Of course, carbon might not be the only stable basis for life. Silicon, for example, has similar chemical properties. Perhaps we will one day find silicon lifeforms - they would not necessarily require the same things that we require, and therefore we'd need to be searching for them in different ways."
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"Any other questions?" he asked.