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Cassirin · 07-14-2007, 02:47 PM

Headmistress Rae-Branxton opened the door to her classroom and flicked her wand to open the windows. A gentle breeze brought in sounds from the grounds, but it was worth the slight distraction. Rae moved to sit on the front of her desk, waiting for her class to arrive.

Eerised · 07-15-2007, 04:47 AM

Taika Ai wrote a note on her parchement: Auror? Find out.

She then looked back at the Professor. She wondered if her last comment would earn her some kind of comment or praise. After all, you did need to think about the consequences from the law. If the Ministry became involved, as it most likely would be, then what would happen?

"I think that even as an..." she paused and looked back at her parchement, "Auror, you shouldn't stoop to such a level. I think one, the guilt could do you serious damange and two, no matter what there are consequences from the law, as I said before."

Taika Ai looked at the girl who had spoken up; she was looking back her, but she'd called her Ai? How odd, she thought.

"I'm glad you understand what I mean," she said. She looked back to the Professor. "What would happen in a situation like that?"

*me* · 07-15-2007, 04:51 AM

Jacqui finally managed to build up the courage to say something after she scribbled down something in her notes. "I believe one should never use the Unforgivable curses. They are illegal for many reasons and there are other ways to defend yourself," She said, hand raised. "We would probably never be in that kind of situation. I understand the reasons for what people are saying to use the curses, but I just don't think those reasons are strong enough."

dumbxblonde07 · 07-15-2007, 04:55 AM

EMily smiled supportively at the girl with whom she just agreed, hoping she'd used the correct name. They hadn't been formerly introduced so she wasn't sure of what she went by. She was only going off what she had eavesdropped in to hear. She really hoped she was too off. (ooc: sorry! lol, I must have missed the first part of your name.)

Eerised · 07-15-2007, 05:07 AM

Taika Ai smiled back at the girl. She seemed very nice. She leaned over and whispered, "I'm Taika Ai, it's nice to meet you," before sitting back, facing full front and returning to her notes.

So far her classes were going great, even if she had been late to them because of being sick. And now she was making more friends! She moved her long hair out of her face; one side was held back with a large seashell she'd made in Transfiguration; it had once been a toothpick, though Taika Ai called them 'wooden sticks' not understanding the concept of a toothpick.

hermyone11 · 07-15-2007, 05:28 AM

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She shook her head. "It is certainly possible, but to what end? Will you have need of torturing someone? Will you need to possess someone in order to have them do your will? Will either of those things be necessary to save your life? So that leaves the Killing Curse. Is it easier to kill someone than it is to stun them? Either way leaves them incapacitated. As I said... no one is wrong, but we must look at the entire issue."

Audrey thought for a moment, and then raised her hand. "It depends on how deeply you believe in your cause. Like, Voldemort's followers wanted Voldemort to take over, so they used the spells freely--it didn't strike them as such a horrible thing to do, really; it was just typical. It's all whether or not you think the spells are truly bad; it's all subjective really. Maybe killing someone isn't the worst thing, I mean, I would much rather be dead than have my soul sucked out...or...hm..." Audrey trailed off. She was not exactly sure where she had been going with this, but she decided that she should stop before the headmistress got any false ideas about her being suicidal or something like that. She truly wished that she could express her ideas better in words.

"Er...nevermind..." she finished, blushing.

Antwone Thomas · 07-15-2007, 05:28 AM

Antwone spoke up as he listen to the discussion. He couldn't help thinking back on his conversation with the headmistress, or in this case, the professor and the Dark Lord. If he had met the Dark Lord, this Voldemortist, in battle, would he not want to defend himself with an Unforgivable? Could the Dark Lord even be forgiven after he had killed so many students, so many others, break up families, make them keep secrets from each other? Antwone raised his hand and spoke.

"I think it is perfectly necessary to use an Unforgivable," he said, feeling like his stern father as he said each word. "Especially on those who cannot be forgiven, those who would give no chance for one to stun them. There are people in this world, I believe, that cannot change, cannot be forgiven, cannot be yielded by a mere Stupefy spell. Some can only be killed, deservep to be killed.

"But then again I guess we may have an issue there. Who determines who can be killed, be murdered in some cases? The Killing Curse is definite and final, no one could be brought back after that," Antwone thought back on the Book of Mysteria and what the professor told him about how someone indeed could be able be brought back to "corporal form," bring them back to life. "Once they have gone, they have gone.

"Also, if there is someone could killed and someone was meant to make that decision, like an Auror, they would have to do it in a second because it is most likely that they'd feel in danger if they did not act quickly they themselves could be killed. But when we make hasty decisions, it can sometimes be are worse, I'm sure we could agree." Antwone blushed as he thought back to how he had made a fool of himself during the opening feast. "But, yes, I believe that one could be justified if they use the Killing Curse in the right circumstance. Whether it is the right circumstance or not would be up to the Wizengamot to decide."

Antwone stopped. He was surprised at how much power he had within his voice, how much diction he had with his speech, so much like his father. But soon as his voice had ended and became past time he could feel himself reverting back to his mother's qualities, reserved and blushing. He could not believe he had said all of that, had been so opinionated.

Eerised · 07-15-2007, 05:56 AM

Taika Ai turned to look at the other girl who had spoken.

"But how can we know they thought it was just normal?" she asked. "Weren't they trying to hide their actions? Didn't some of them lie about being Voldemort's supporters when he first fell to Harry Potter? I think they were very aware of what they were doing. I don't think you can be unaware of that kind of evil. I think that it, yes, it was an everday occurance, but I don't think that they thought it was okay for them to do. I think, they got pleasure from it and that's why they did it."

lavoni · 07-15-2007, 06:00 AM

Sophie listened to the Professor as usual not writing down a single note. She raised her hand which was an odd thing. "If you ask me Professor..." She began vaugley. "I don't think it is ever all right to use an unforgivable curse. They aren't called that for no reason. People will still use them and probably always will but I think that is just because they have been spending too much time around Doxy's. Doxy's make you do things withought thinking and thats probably why they use those curses." She finished taking her wand out from her hair she began scribbling on the otherwise blank parchment infornt of her.

hermyone11 · 07-15-2007, 06:10 AM

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Taika Ai turned to look at the other girl who had spoken.

"But how can we know they thought it was just normal?" she asked. "Weren't they trying to hide their actions? Didn't some of them lie about being Voldemort's supporters when he first fell to Harry Potter? I think they were very aware of what they were doing. I don't think you can be unaware of that kind of evil. I think that it, yes, it was an everday occurance, but I don't think that they thought it was okay for them to do. I think, they got pleasure from it and that's why they did it."

"I understand what you're saying; I think my ideas were worded poorly," Audrey said while she blushed in a deep red, "I do think that a lot of it has to do with morals. We're brought up knowing that the unforgivable curses are horrible things. But someone brought up by dark wizards may not believe that. Sure, they are evil, but like I said, it's all subjective and it's necessary to think about how the enemy feels. Just as we believe in a cause, they believe in a cause too. Both believe they are right. But what is 'right,' really? Also, it could be something to do with 'mob mentality,' which is when people act differently when they're in a large group or 'mob.' When Voldemort was in power, his followers supported him firmly, because they were so large in number. Once Potter defeated him, Voldemort went into hiding and then the 'mob' was gone - now, they would never do the things that they had done before."

Realizing that she had done very little to prove her almost non-existent point except ramble offtopic, Audrey's face reddened even more. Angry that she could not sort out her thoughts properly, she began to doodle fiercly in her notebook.

Eerised · 07-15-2007, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by hermyone11

"I understand what you're saying; I think my ideas were worded poorly," Audrey said while she blushed in a deep red, "I do think that a lot of it has to do with morals. We're brought up knowing that the unforgivable curses are horrible things. But someone brought up by dark wizards may not believe that. Sure, they are evil, but like I said, it's all subjective and it's necessary to think about how the enemy feels. Just as we believe in a cause, they believe in a cause too. Both believe they are right. But what is 'right,' really? Also, it could be something to do with 'mob mentality,' which is when people act differently when they're in a large group or 'mob.' When Voldemort was in power, his followers supported him firmly, because they were so large in number. Once Potter defeated him, Voldemort went into hiding and then the 'mob' was gone - now, they would never do the things that they had done before."

Realizing that she had done very little to prove her almost non-existent point except ramble offtopic, Audrey's face reddened even more. Angry that she could not sort out her thoughts properly, she began to doodle fiercly in her notebook.

"I agree that there is a lot of subjectivity surrounding morals. But the vast majority wouldn't want to be a Death Eater," she said. "The vast majority, which fills society, is what everyone will be going by. That's why the Death Eaters knew they were wrong. If today, we were run by Voldemort, then society would be different. We wouldn't be taught Defense Against the Dark Arts, we'd be taught the Dark Arts and if would be unwise to go around creating secret societies to stop the Death Eaters and Voldemort. However, there would be a few who would, but they woud be in the minority.

"Society is a majority." She nodded resolutely having made her point.

Katieluff · 07-15-2007, 12:03 PM

Jack wasn't particularly listening to the discussion, instead doodling on a spare piece of parchment, but knew that it was about the Unforgivable Curses. Even though he had never seen one used or used one himself he had heard things about them and knew enough about them.

"The Unforgivable Curses are wrong. You shouldn't use them. They are unforgivable and that's why they are called it." He said simply not bothering to raise his hand but meerly saying it aloud. Mainly to himself.

DeathEater24601 · 07-15-2007, 12:29 PM

Diabolica thought about it for a moment, then said, " Sometimes using the Unforgivable curses are excuseable--like if you really were battling against the Dark Lord, and you had to defend your friends, or if the Dark Lord was attacking you, you would stand no chance, although you could defend yourself with an Unforgivable. The structure of the each spell, once you think about it, are really quite intriguing." She smiled.

lemondrop13 · 07-15-2007, 12:53 PM

Kennedy raised her hand and decided to give her opinion. "I absolutely believe that the Killing Curse and the Cruciatus Curse should never be allowed, even in self-defense. Those are not curses that seek to protect oneself, but actually seek to harm another. The ONLY curse I would even CONSIDER SLIGHTLY acceptable would be the Imperius Curse, but only if used to make your opponent stop fighting. I wouldnt say it was legal to make your opponent kill themselves, hurt themselves, hurt other people. But if you ONLY used it to make them stop fighting until the Magical Law Enforcement team came, it MAY be acceptable. But even then, I think the issue warrants further contemplation." She hoped Professor Rae would not look negatively upon her for suggesting an Unforgiveable might be ok to use.

ovechkin1 · 07-15-2007, 01:05 PM

Megan thought it an opportune time to voice her opinion and so she raised her hand. "Technically though, most of society is indifferent about good and evil as long as it doesn't effect them, they would much rather go through life not worrying or thinking about it until it does happen thats when they realise that they should have been more concerned with the world outside of their bubble, oh and I do not believe that the curses should ever be used unless someone is trying to use them on you I suppose maybe give them a taste of what they give."Megan sort of trailed off at the end.

Waterloo · 07-15-2007, 01:09 PM

Clifford looked up from his parchment, he had been taking notes about the Unforgivacle Curses. He knew quite a lot about these particular curses due to his family background, he had been brought up around the use of these curses. He raised his hand in order to give his opinion on the matter.

"I think there are certain situations in which the use of one of the Unforgivable Curses is acceptable, like if it is your only means of defending yourself," he frowned slightly. "Not that I think the Curses are good, but if they are used against you, I don't think it's wrong to use them back. I think they should be used as a last resort though." He cleared his throat. "But to use them on a defenceless victim is wrong.. I don't agree with that at all."

Mercia · 07-15-2007, 01:29 PM

Dan had been scribbling on his parchment , he completley agreed with cliff and didnt see any reason to speak himself

DeathEater24601 · 07-15-2007, 01:33 PM

"I do think that the Unforgivable curses are quite useful sometimes," Diabolica let out a harsh laugh. "Under circumstances.....they are......nessesary." She grinned.

BanaBatGirl · 07-15-2007, 02:01 PM

Rapunzel also responded to the topic at hand.

"I agree that the Unforgivable Curses should only be used in extreme circumstances, such as when dueling with someone like Vodemortist. But if you can't use the Killing Curse, how will the battle end if it's a match to the death? Are there other spells that can be used to kill, Professor?"

*PhoenixRising* · 07-15-2007, 02:02 PM

Amelia just sat there doodling on her parchment and listening to her classmates. She had done so well last term, but for some reason it didn't feel like school was really here. Summer had drifted by before she could blink, and now here she sat in classes as a Third Year. Just way too fast...

She sighed and then realized she should probably respond to all the questions the Professor asked about Unforgivable curses. Raising her hand, she wasn't sure if she should say this as everyone that ever spoke FOR the curses got shot down. Amelia nodded at the Ravenclaw girl, who she thought someone called her Audrey, "I agree with you; I believe that everyone is born with evil and good, but we just have to choose which side we feel is right. A lot of this has to do with parents; those who had a difficult time dealing with their parents might be more likely to rebel and choose to follow their evil side. In addition, if someone's parents are evildoers, then they are more likely to turn to the evil side as well. We're not born completely good or evil, but our environments shape us to who we are today. Even someone who claims to be good, has a little evil in them and that's where pranking comes in." She paused at this last line, "Therefore, those that have grown up thinking evil is the 'right side' will have the need in torturing someone. They will want to use the unforgivable curses because they see nothing wrong with it. Possessing someone to do their biddings would be like second nature to them. Torturing someone and possessing someone may save your life temporarily, but there will then be others who come after you for your deeds. That is why evildoers turn to the killing curse, because it is there last hope of survival. They think of themselves and the situation they are in. Even if they are the more powerful wizard, they might still feel threatened, which causes one to do seemingly irrational curses. That is why people cast such horrible curses; because they feel threatened and all they think about is wanting to get out alive, not about the other person."

secretlover101 · 07-15-2007, 03:26 PM

Emily sat down and continued writing notes. She might as well who knows what would be for the homework. She smiled and wrote: it WILL NOT save you from an Unforgivable curse on her paper and put stars by it. She tapped the feather of her quill to her chin. "Well an unforgivable curse is the most diffiuclt to perform not considering they are illegal. If you were to face an evil person who had no remorse in using an unforgivable curse then be sure that someofthe strongest spells you know would seem minimal to them. Still I don't think that killing anyone would be appropriate. Stun them very well and let the government deal with it. Life in Azkaban is worse than death" she muttered slowly under her breath.

Sharguar · 07-15-2007, 03:42 PM

Anthony piped up, "An unforgivable curse is necessary in some situations, and even if it is not to defend yourself, if, let's say you were an auror, you would also want to be able to stop someone if they are escaping, these curses could be necessary as well..."

Torchwood · 07-15-2007, 04:16 PM

'They are called unforgivable, not unforgivable except when, so I'd say never use them. There is always another option.' Qaz replied. She couldn't imagine ever using such Dark Magic.

*PhoenixRising* · 07-15-2007, 05:09 PM

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'They are called unforgivable, not unforgivable except when, so I'd say never use them. There is always another option.' Qaz replied. She couldn't imagine ever using such Dark Magic.

Amelia smiled at another Ravenclaw, "Yes, they are unforgivable curses. That means, when you use it you really have to mean to cause harm to another. Unforgivable curses are no fun and games, but serious magic. Sometimes there isn't another option though; if you're fighting a dark wizard and you know that they could kill you with a simple curse, then wouldn't you rather beat them to the punch and kill them quicker? Wouldn't you rather save yourself, then become another victim to an Avada Kedavra curse? When saying that you'd never use Dark Magic, that's like saying you'd rather die than kill a dark wizard." she paused to think for a concluding statement. "well, that's just something for everyone to think about."

musical_tide · 07-15-2007, 05:26 PM

Jacqueline raised her hand slowly," But won't you get sent to askaban for using a unforgivable curse?" The proffessor nodded,not in the agreeing nodd but a disagree. " Well thats a good question,you see...some people do get sent to Askaban for using a unforgivable curse,but most of them used them for bad not for protecting themselves." Jacqueline took in a deep breath and then said " So if your using it for protection you won't get in trouble?" Proffesor stood up " Thats right, anymore questions about the unforgivable curses?"

hermyone11 · 07-15-2007, 05:27 PM

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Amelia smiled at another Ravenclaw, "Yes, they are unforgivable curses. That means, when you use it you really have to mean to cause harm to another. Unforgivable curses are no fun and games, but serious magic. Sometimes there isn't another option though; if you're fighting a dark wizard and you know that they could kill you with a simple curse, then wouldn't you rather beat them to the punch and kill them quicker? Wouldn't you rather save yourself, then become another victim to an Avada Kedavra curse? When saying that you'd never use Dark Magic, that's like saying you'd rather die than kill a dark wizard." she paused to think for a concluding statement. "well, that's just something for everyone to think about."

Audrey thought for a moment this time before she spoke. The girl had asked some very thought provoking questions."Once again, I think it goes back to what is right and what is wrong. The terrible thing about dark wizards is that they will use an unforgivable curse. Because of that, we consider them evil. By using one against them, are you saving yourself and defeating one of them, or are you simply dissolving the barrier between good and evil? Are you becoming one of them? It all depends in what you believe; I don't think there is a clear answer on what's right and what's wrong. Everything isn't black and white...there is a grey area here, I believe."

She stopped speaking and went back to her notes, a little more confident in what she had said this time. She was glad that another student had agreed with her previous statement.

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