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Old 09-29-2007, 07:51 AM
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Okay, I get that as a Harry Potter RPG, this is a world full of cool abilities and characters and lineage etc. But I see a lot of this one particular thing, and it's really starting to get tiresome. Veelas Werewolves Vampires Seers Metamorphagi Animagi... the only thing I don't see with great frequency is Giants.

Sure we all want to be special. I try to make my characters unique too. But it's canon/cannon (i never spell that right) that those abilities are super rare, so it's really ridiculous that everyone has them. Isn't it? Not to mention people that have more than one, ie Vampire-Metamorphagis or Veela-Vampires.

Veelas in particular drive me insane. The idea in principle, I have no problem with, but turning on the Veela charm to find mates is so pointless to me. That's not what SS is about.

Aren't there better ways to make our characters special little snowflakes? How do you make yourself interesting without going overboard? Or is it even necessary to be special in some way?
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My character is special, unique, and she's just a 12 years old girl, you just have to use your imagination that’s placed on the other side of the brain, just think in a away of making you character different from the others, it doesn't need to be a vampire, or a werewolf or a clown.

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I've been RPing a long time, not on this site but in others too and it's a problem all over. People want to make their characters unique but because there are so many metamorphagai or werewolves, being one doesn't make it unique any more.

I have to admit my character does have special powers but I can promise you nobdody else's character on the site is synethasic. (I can never spell that right :S) It's not exactly really common but one out of a couple of thousand students doesn't make it common.

I personally think that people shouldn't be allowed to give their werewolf-veela the ability to be a animagus too, I think the best way to be unique isn't their abilities and looks, but their personality and attitude.
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Hey! What's wrong with metamorphmagi? Don't be lumping me in with the werewolves, vampire and veela just because my characters hair changes color with the sun or that his eyes change with the sky. I personally thought it was a clever and unique idea.

I'm just kidding. It does seem kinda like some special abilities are overdone, but that's to be expected really. I wouldn't give up my characters hair and eyes for any reason. I think everyone should just have fun. We need a bunch of crazy characters since there is very little going on in terms of a epic plot like the HP books.
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I see what you are trying to say here. And yes, these abilities/powers e.t.c are meant to be rare.
But if people want to have them, that's fair. Let them.


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Veelas in particular drive me insane. The idea in principle, I have no problem with, but turning on the Veela charm to find mates is so pointless to me. That's not what SS is about.
Putting on the 'Veela charm' is pointless. I know it's good to have a unique character but they don't need to be unique by changing the colour of their hair or being the most beautiful student in school.
Thing is, my Character is actually half vampire. But she has no 'charm' to get friends. Or an ability to get her homework done faster e.t.c.


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There is. To make a character with a great personality. Use your imagination to make a character that everyone loves .. or hates

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We need a bunch of crazy characters since there is very little going on in terms of a epic plot like the HP books.
I agree that everyone needs to make their character unique and special, although doing it in a canon way is much preferred... but I think you should go through a term before you determine that we don't have "epic plots". Your staff actually works really hard to come up with new plotlines each term, and I hope you'll find that it makes things interesting.
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Making your character 'special and unique' through canon defeats the very purpose of making your character special and unique.
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In fairness, I think what Erin meant was that we should attempt to keep an eye toward the world JK Rowling created in the first place, and respecting how it works. Keeping things canon makes it easier to get into, if you will, not more boring. At least to me. Going too far off the beaten path is a slippery slope, in my opinion. Not that I wish to stunt anyone's creativity, that's not my point.

My point is that characters who can freeze time a la Piper Halliwell or throw fire a la St John Allerdyce are meant more for a crossover fanfic than an RPG. this ofcourse is just my opinion. All I'm really interested in is making the RPG as pleasant as possible for as many people as possible. And I just think keeping it canon is the best way to do that. Call me a purist, if you will.

Also, I think Helios Sunrider spoke a little too quickly, true, JK Rowling isn't writing our RPG, but firstly, Erin is right, the mods work hard to create an engaging plot, and second, there can be many underlying plots that have nothing to do with magic (or *shudder* romance) between you and your RP friends that make SS Hogwarts a very VERY engaging place to be. Example: Juno Novak (Hawken Terrell) and Jamie Reiss (Hermione_Loves_Ron) plotted and executed a plan to wax Tag Sevens' (Seeker Seven) eyebrows last semester. It was quite hilarious.
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Perhaps I should have rephrased my previous post better.

People want their character to be unique because everyone can't be some epic hero. They want to distinguish themselves so they're not in the credits of the movie as (Ravenclaw girl #4)

Just about anything done well is probably worth doing. It's up to the player to use discretion and ask themself if the RPG will benefit from their cool idea.

If I didn't think I could bring anything of worth to the table, I would make my character much more fitting the norm.

Though I'm sure not everyone will agree with me. I'm sure purists would positively hate how I want to expand the Harry Potter universe to embrace such concepts as Greek mythology, voodoo, shamanism, totems, buddhism, and whatever else I would deem a tasteful expansion of the HP world.
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I believe that everyone has a right to distinguish their characters from all the others. But I also think that there's a fine line between what is possible and what isn't. I believe in canon, but the things that I make unique are that my character owns a black cat with red streaks. Not very common right? But it's not totally overboard. It's not like he's some mystical cat with special powers. He's just got unique coloring.

But you gotta remember, to make your character one way is one thing. To make it stick and to play those parts well, is another. If you can do it well, with overdoing it, than fine. But the ones who make Veela's just so that they can get a guy is pushing it. But still, I'm just one thought amongst many and I say that we should stick within and around canon with a few additions that could be possible.
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I agree. I'm kind of sick of seeing all the vampire-veela-werewolf-animagus-metamorphagus children.

There's a few Veela girls who are driving me nuts, right now.

As for those of you defending being Vampire, etc. I respect you. It's not you who are the problems most of the time. In fact, I'd put money on the fact that you all are the kinds of RPers I love (I haven't seen all of you RP). I know that I, personally, really like the way Helios RPs. I like the Greek aspect (I don't think anyone is against that. JKR has mentioned tidbits about the other cultures of wizards, but not much else. We're only left to infer.)

However, I do feel that a lot of RPers are relying too heavily on abilities over personality to make their characters unique. But then again, the people who do that for the sole purpose of being unique are the ones who probably don't know how to RP it as well. They can't work it.


My character has no special powers. I dunno if anyone has seen me RP, but I really like the fact that he is a normal kid. We're not here to all be Harry Potters and Hermione Grangers and Neville Longbottoms. We're here to make our own characters and develop them, watch them grow, learn to love them. All of my friends on this site RP normal characters. The only special ability they have is one is a really good baker. Actually, one is a metamorphagus. But still. She hardly ever RPs that, and only uses it to reflect her character's emotions. She works it well.



I think it's a matter of how the people RP the abilities. If they overuse it, I probably won't like them. If they use it sparingly, I probably will like them.


And as for the plots not being exciting. Let me just tell you that last term was a really exciting and riveting term. Kudos to the staff for that! I loved it!


The point is - this isn't Harry Potter. This is an RP that merely uses HP as it's base. We're not all going to be epic heroes. I would rather have a school or normal wizards over a school of all these beast/humans or whatever are running rampant (no pun intended).
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Sorry, guys, I'm a canon stickler... While you're welcome to expand a little on JK's universe, let me be frank with you... I'm not the only stickler. If you go a little wild in the RP, people won't play with you and you will probably be told to tone it done.

That's not to say that there isn't room to be creative and make your character quirky. But quirkiness and creativity don't mean you have to wander away into the land of 'I've made myself too hard to RP with because I'm just so gosh-darn odd."
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Wow, my little charrie has enough to keep up with just trying to be a “normal” 15 year old girl. With all the classes, quidditch, and other mysterious occurrences going on during the school term, I can’t imagine wanting to have some sort of “special” power. The Professors do an amazing job of keeping it interesting.

I’m a big fan of keeping it canon. That’s why I LOVE SS so much. For the new members thinking they have to make their charrie have some kind of unique power, just give it some time. RP an entire school term before you decide it isn’t enough to play a regular witch or wizard. Hey, if you really want to try something fun, play a character of the opposite sex.
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Its okay to come into this thread and say that the rare special abilities are, well, not so rare. But does anyone have a suggestion on how we could maybe decrease the number of people who think they need to have special abilities in order to be unique? Can we give them something else to work on instead? Have you got any advice to help improve the canon-ness of the roleplay?

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Its okay to come into this thread and say that the rare special abilities are, well, not so rare. But does anyone have a suggestion on how we could maybe decrease the number of people who think they need to have special abilities in order to be unique? Can we give them something else to work on instead? Have you got any advice to help improve the canon-ness of the roleplay?

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I seriously wish I had an idea on that one. unfortunately i'm great at stirring the pot, not so good at coming up with better ideas. anyway, not the point.

maybe more clubs are in order, occupy more time and engage the students more. but the trouble there is that takes more mods time... and this is why i don't make suggestions; this is the begining of a circular argument with myself.
I started this thread so that we could draw attention to the phenomenon. All I can say is that I try to focus more on interaction than some crazy bizarre magical ability. I find people who can BEHAVE interestingly a lot more fun to RP with than people who can DO interesting things. Does that make any sense? Not to say the fainters and the amnesiacs and the "NEED MEDICATION EVERY HOUR OR I'LL DIE" characters are much fun either. I mean more to the effect of how you interact with other RPers, do that well and we'll definitely all find you interesting. I really think that the more time you spend developing your character before you actually start using it, the better it is, knowing where he or she comes from and knowing where he or she is going after the 7 terms are over makes your character exponentially better. ofcourse, it takes a lot of patience to come up with a character and then not throw them into the RP right away, but just filling out a detailed character chart before you do, goes a long way.

i personally hate character charts, so what i tend to do is write a series of monologues from my characters explaining various aspects of their lives as if they were just answering a casual question. It makes my character feel well rounded and special without tempting me to make them be able to walk through walls.
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Its okay to come into this thread and say that the rare special abilities are, well, not so rare. But does anyone have a suggestion on how we could maybe decrease the number of people who think they need to have special abilities in order to be unique? Can we give them something else to work on instead? Have you got any advice to help improve the canon-ness of the roleplay?

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How about as punishment for not abiding to canon - virtual whipping whilst being held by manacles Filch stylee?!

Or else, as someone else has said, setting up clubs. I know we have Quidditch, but only limited numbers of people can participate. Even if the numbers per club were limited to keep it special or how ever you want to phrase it, but this gives you a chance to be one of a privileged few but keeping it canon at the same time. We know that there were Charms and Gobstones clubs back in the HP day, so this would keep it relatively real but still being part of a select few. The mods do a fantastic job already and I know that this would be time consuming to set up, but it's the only thing I can think of.

I must admit, I've been trying to get into the RPing over the last couple of terms, but my participation always seems to wane as I see other characters being supper dark or having these super abilities and it just puts me off joining in abit, then the term begins and it gets harder to pitch in again. My charrie is just a normal girl (despite being a witch, which is pretty special on its own, think that's enough to be going on with).

I suppose my own views on this, I think that the personality of a character is what makes them special, not just what they can do, just like real life. If everyone has a special ability, it would stop being special then.
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I don't know how clubs would help stop people feeling the need to have special abilities.

I was thinking more along the lines of advice on how people could make their own characters unique without having to rely on special powers. Erm, for instance, how do you guys make your characters unique?
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I agree with Leebee there, I don't see how clubs would make more cannon characters, just more people brilliant at yet another thing.

My character is unique by the way she acts and the way she sees the world rather than what she looks like and what abilities she has. It's my first term but I plan for her to just be a normal first year, maybe a little mischeivous but nothing like she's a death eater in disguise because of her metamorphagai powers. She's just ordainary and at this rate, being ordinary will be special.

I can't really think what'd make less people have special powered characters, just taking the time to look at experienced RPers and seeing how people don't need powers to be special.
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I don't think there needs to be more things to do. There are already tons of things to do in the school RP. The funny thing is, the people who seem to complain about there not being things to do, don't even participate in the things we already have. I've been to many classes where only two or three others attend. There have been Quidditch matches were only three of the team members even show up. There isn't a lack of activities, so don't use that as an excuse to give your charrie super/strange/non-canon powers.

I really believe it comes down to people not wanting to put the work into developing a "normal" character. They want to find a way to become instantly popular and attract attention without really getting involved in the RP as it was designed. Give your character time to grow and develop. It may not happen in one term. That's OK.
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once again, i over thought the question, lee. i do that. see? ask me no questions and i'll make no silly mistakes. anyway..

i still stand by putting the time into developing your charrie. the "how do you create a character?" thread is a great place to start. there is helpful advice all over the internet actually. and AGAIN, make a life for your character outside of Hogwarts. for instance: Faye has two brothers, a sister, and a lot of cousins who she talks about all the time. Before she came to Hogwarts she was a unimpressive and rebellious student at another school, where her mother was the headmistress, and her older siblings outshone her. she had a best friend who was her polar opposite. after hogwarts she'll travel the world a bit, settle on Salt Spring Island be an artist and historian before she moves back to civilization to help raise her neice. at present, she's in her punk phase, has nonmagically gotten a tattoo to upset her mother, and asked her potions guru brother to potion her hair purple. she can't change her appearance at will, she needs help to do it, but she is an individual and she conciously makes her appearance reflect it. kind of like my friend Katoo, who is also and artist, and last time i saw her, had pink hair and at least one tattoo that i know about.
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Perhaps special abilities should be registered with senior staff before being allowed into the school.

I understand that there are a lot of newbies (are we allowed to call them that?) that wish to take the easy way to being unique in Hogwarts. Which ends up with I'm sure is disastrous results.

Personally I made my character a metamorphmagi (his hair and eyes change depending on the sun and sky respectively) I also made him the prince of a hidden island nation known as Aeaea which is the home of Circe from Homers Odyssey. Circes only link to Harry Potter is that she appears on a wizard trading card.

I have taken a lot of liberties with my character, but I also made sure to run it by a member of the senior staff to make sure I wasn't taking things too far. I was told to go for it so that is what I'm doing.

I'm a little insulted by the comment that giving a character special abilities is because their creator can't come up with a unique "normal" character. Find me sober on a Saturday night and I can churn out "normal" characters. I wanted my first character to be unique and show a different side of the wizarding world. That is what interests me, and what I hope will interest others as they interact with young Helios.

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Yes, if you want you can call them Newbies to the school, but it does include you, too, you know.

I would never go as far as to create a non-existant island just for the sake of my character, that is way too far for me. I would, however, make my character someone who is not like any other in the school. AJ isn't really unique, other than the fact she's Slytherin prefect and no one else is... lol. She is a normal girl, but is unique in her own way just based on what seh acts.

my next character, tho, when AJ graduates, will have a more definite reason of why she's unique, because she will be a tie-dye wearing, peace loving, meat hating vegetarian hippie. A vegetarian version of me, really. I thought that I should have a character like everyone else and fit in when i first joined, but now I know that we need to at least TRY to RP ourselves in witch/wizard form and see if we like it, so I'm going to do that for my next character.

see, 100% unique and yet not "special" really at all. but all in all, everyone is unique, just like everyone else.
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understand that there are a lot of newbies (are we allowed to call them that?) that wish to take the easy way to being unique in Hogwarts. Which ends up with I'm sure is disastrous results.

Personally I made my character a metamorphmagi (his hair and eyes change depending on the sun and sky respectively) I also made him the prince of a hidden island nation known as Aeaea which is the home of Circe from Homers Odyssey. Circes only link to Harry Potter is that she appears on a wizard trading card.

I have taken a lot of liberties with my character, but I also made sure to run it by a member of the senior staff to make sure I wasn't taking things too far. I was told to go for it so that is what I'm doing.

I'm a little insulted by the comment that giving a character special abilities is because their creator can't come up with a unique "normal" character. Find me sober on a Saturday night and I can churn out "normal" characters. I wanted my first character to be unique and show a different side of the wizarding world. That is what interests me, and what I hope will interest others as they interact with young Helios.

And is it just me or is SS one of the best rpg sites ever?
Of course....SS IS the best RPG site ever. And I must admit, I raised an eyebrow and stifled a giggle when I read Helios Sunrider's first post upon entering Diagon Alley..............But hey, at least you checked it out first. And it is a unique idea, especially if you continue to pull it off. Kudos to you, Prince Helios!

I think we should all try to stick to canon because the school has pretty awesome, epic plots and if your character feels a need to faint every second or "turn on the veela charm" to meet people, then you need to learn how to RP better. That's it, plain and simple.

That was a little harsh, wasn't it?
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Being a Newbie, I've yet to come across someone who's a Veela-Vampire-Werewolf or something like that, but I'm sure that it is rather annoying.
However, I don't have a problem with someone choosing to have an ability, so long as they don't run around charming the opposite sex with their Veela powers. If you want an ability, fair enough, just don't 'show off' about it, since it's not something a lot of people would want to show off about [certainly something like a Vampire or Werewolf]
I'd say do as you please, it's your character after all, just don't make a big deal about it - it isn't all about having some special power.
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I don't think any of us are objecting to someone taking on special powers or making their character unique in a way that doesn't appear in canon (although there are limits. I've had someone try to charm me through LotR-esque elvish magic, and I very much objected to that ). What I think starts to get hard to RP with and hard to... handle as maturing RPers is when someone takes it out of "I want to be unique" and into "I've created an impossibility". A veela-descendant... I'd love to see that properly executed. I'm playing Fleur in an RP, and I find her fascinating as I get into her character. But a veela-vampire descendant... starts to get to be too much.

Read that "properly executed" however you will. I loved playing a regular student who was a little clumsy and really shy in some ways. But that was so long ago... Merlin, and only for one term. Poor kid never had a chance.


EDIT: And Helios... I happen to think SS is quite special myself, and I'm glad you like it. I think you'll be a happy addition to the RPG, and I look forward to where your quirky character is going .
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