Oooooookay.........

First, I would like to point out this thread which was created for a reason, especially for those who weren't around then.

Second, if you're planning on having it like the pro teams, then disregard my first of all

Third, I don't think we should be starting stuff up like this just because it's popular on Twitter. Because what's popular on Twitter may not be popular on site, since there's plenty of people on site who don't Twitter, at least not with character accounts.

But since you seem to have already made up your mind that this is going to happen regardless:

• I think it should be like the pro teams. Not too big a part of the site, but there for those that may be interested.
• In that vein, teams should be first come, first served. No making a huge fuss about it.
• Sign ups should be every year, that way everyone who wants a chance gets one.
• Activity requirement: this would be a good way to pull people from just Twitter RP-ing all the time. But I think it only makes sense if you're going to make it like Quidditch was in the school, which I'm completely against since it was cancelled for a reason. Plus, would said requirement be applied to the Ministry RP or the School one? Because technically, it would be a part of the Ministry RP, but the ones playing would be school aged kids presumably played at Hogwarts.
• Which opens up a whole 'nother can of worms right there. Hogwarts kids are supposed to be played exclusively at Hogwarts/Hogsmeade during the term, which is usually when Quidditch season is as well. So, if you do this like school Quidditch, then you're essentially giving those on the team permission to play elsewhere, which really isn't fair to those who chose not to play Quidditch.

Ultimately, I think this is a horrible idea, sorry.

Oh, I'm sorry if you misunderstood. And I should clarify

No, we are not talking about starting up Quidditch onsite like it was played in school. This is more for bringing team rosters IC and for RPing purposes. There are several characters who do RP that they are on a summer league team and this is to help them sort things out as well as anyone else who had a character who was interested in playing. This is also for the Games and Sports department to assist with some of the plots that we have going on so we can continue to do events like we have in the past. I'm not interested in making this a big deal with trying to organize and implement games.

And this was simply a discussion on Twitter that I wanted to bring to SS for exactly that reason. I don't want everything to just be on Twitter and I would want to encourage more site wide activity. But if your character doesn't play on a summer league or has no interest in Quidditch, then don't even worry about it. It's likely not to affect your character, unless they know someone who does or happens to be a fan. Like I said, this is meant to be more of an extension for RPing purposes and not any big ordeal with actual played out games on site or anything.

But thank you for your opinion and suggestions. I do very much appreciate it.

Okay, as a HUGE football (soccer ) fan, I'll make comparisons to how U-17 (any U-number teams, actually) work. Mainly because I really like that system and think it'd apply to Quidditch.

In football, there are two U's that I know of: U-17 and U-20 (or sometimes 21). U-age doesn't specifically mean "national team", but it's rather an age limit for the tournament. The biggest tournaments are obviously international U-20 ones, U-20 world cup is held by FIFA every 2 years, where many people get to see the future world stars. As managers can't come to Hogwarts Quidditch matches (I think?) THIS would be their chance to find players. So I think it'd make a lot of sense to have them (NATIONAL* U-17 teams). Since there is Quidditch during winter at Hogwarts, the national and private team managers could be allowed to watch the games and pick players for their teams?

*: I just... can't see a "second option" for the students still attending Hogwarts if they don't make it to their house team, apart from playing between themselves when there isn't a match on the pitch. House teams are supposed to have the TOP players, you know, so I think it's highly unlikely for someone to not make it to the house team but to manage to get on a national team. Unless it's something else you meant with the sentence "I can't imagine with as many kids that like or want to play Quidditch that there is only one option." With that said, I also am not a fan of there being the teams' OWN youth teams. Hogwarts is a boarding school, so teams can't really have their own training schedule, can't form a team (as there isn't enough time to pick players in the first place - UNLESS their managers were allowed to attend the games too), there isn't enough time to play against each other during the meagre 2-month summer vacation etc. So regarding U-17 teams, I think only national teams (whose selection process was explained there^^) is viable to Hogwarts. But maybe I'm only considering it through one angle *open to ideas*

How do you determine who makes a team?
I think... first, Quidditch should come back to the school RPG. I don't know HOW it should come - but since this is an RPG game, I think there must be something RPed to say it happened/happens.

How long can someone stay on a team? Until they graduate or tryout every year?
Tryout every year, definitely. Or not a strict tryout, but rather based on their training and match performance. That's how it happens in football, anyway. Managers pick or drop players based on training and season performance. Like I said, these "managers" might be allowed to come watch Hogwarts games.

Activity requirement?
Like I said, for it to be considered as canon on site, I think it should be RPed in the form of Hogwarts Quidditch, and the activity requirement will be determined by that

Restricted to residents of that country?
For national U-17, certainly. And not "residents" but rather "nationals".

Like I said, I don't think it's viable for the students of a strictly boarding (like no weekend visits) school being able to attend other teams' training/teams etc, but if we do establish a U-17 tournament in the end, I think anyone should be able to be a part of any team as long as they are under 17.

I'm totally not an expert on youth soccer teams or anything at all, so I honestly have no idea what to compare this to IRL lol But a few thoughts based off of what you posted in the first post:

-It's not totally unrealistic to expect that, maybe, after the whole Quidditch fiasco at Hogwarts some "little league" sort of teams started forming. After all, we HAVE made it SS canon that Quidditch is NOT currently being played. It's not like we're pretending that the teams are still active and just not being played. Who's to say the wizarding world in GB wouldn't want to form their own youth leagues to give kids an athletic outlet? If a high school doesn't offer a sport here (like my beloved bowling) people don't just STOP playing. They join an outside league. So overall, I say - go for it

-I don't think it should be tryout based. As a former quidditch captain, people can get really upset by not making the team, or feel like they have to be SUPER ACTIVE in order to have a spot and start to resent the fact that they have jobs/school/etc other things offline that are WAY MORE IMPORTANT and SHOULD be the focus of your time - but understandably, that got in the way of tryouts and I would constantly get people who were upset about that. Nasty PMs demanding I add another session happened on the regular. It was not cool.

I'll be honest, I would love to see Quidditch return the way it was and I know that is not realistic at this point. Whatever we do, we have to focus on the FUN. That is the whole reason quidditch was cancelled in the first place. Whatever we end up doing the emphasis has to be on not taking it SERIOUSLY and remembering this is a GAME.

I remember back in the day, Games and Sports would have professional quidditch matches, played with brown accounts, and a handful of members would be selected to play that game. Maybe we could do something like that? Allow people a chance to throw their character into the pot, a random lottery chooses who plays the first game, and after you play, you're out for the next round until everyone has had a turn - something like that maybe? Everyone gets a turn, no one is bullying others to get a spot, it's purely random and allows everyone to have an equal opportunity to play...

In terms of actually RPing it out, I really have no idea how it would be played other than the way we used to do it on SS. Perhaps it could be played in a moderated thread? Toss out a question, members post but the posts are hidden so you don't know who was right/first/etc, and that gives everyone maybe like...24 hours to get an answer in or something? I don't know. I'm throwing out ideas and totally sleep deprived right now so I don't know if that makes any sense at all haha

Just a couple of thoughts from an SS Quidditch vet

Okay I'm sorry it took me a while to post here I wanted to collect my thoughts!

So firstly assuming there is a hierarchy of:

National Teams
Regional Teams (which would be like... if you look at this map, something like so, but probably not that many)
School Teams

The England U17 team is at that national team level, meaning they compete in international competitions against other countries, while the Regional teams (like the british and irish professional league) predominantly compete against each other within their league.

Just clarifying that because there was confusion earlier

We're not looking at School teams right here, but it does seem like we are discussing both National (U17 teams) and Regional (Junior League) teams, right?

So lets start with the U17 level teams.

1) when I first had my charrie do this years ago he was lucky enough to be playing Quidditch at Hogwarts and be captain, so he had quite a bit of experience under his belt. I played that he was scouted, but that part of that scouting involved an 'invitational' tryout of sorts.

2) I would say for U17 level the prerequisites would likely need to include Quidditch Experience, ie playing on an officially recognized team of some sort or history of skill-building at camp etc, because its at national level and competing against other countries. Now that we don't have school teams this most likely means having played on a junior league team.

3) I think realistically 14/4th year is the 'youngest' a person might make the team, unless they have proved to be particularly outstanding and have experience because an 11 year old for instance isn't likely to be able to compete so easily against a big 6th year, even HP canon tells us how rare it was for Harry to make the house team in first year (and even Draco in second, implying it was money and not skill that got him on there), and the position he was playing (Seeker) was more about speed than strength whereas say if he was a beater that might be a little bit more of a stretch.

4) I think to sign up, people would need to submit a quiz application much like the league one, with all their charries experience, a bit about the charrie, maybe also a paragraph about why they think their character should be on the team ie what do they plan to do RPing around this? What kind of character growth are they hoping for? Are they wanting to have their charrie get somewhere or are they just signing up because its the cool thing to do?

5) Additionally, I think it could be cool to have people have to write a 'Quidditch post' essentially RPing their character's try out. This would also help make sure that only the people that really want it for their character would bother with it.

6) anyone who signs up who doesn't have their charrie make the main team could be given the opportunity to have them be a reserve (especially if they are on the younger end) This could mean that when positions open up as characters age out, the reserves might get first chance at another tryout, because they'd have the training and experience under their belt that might give them an edge. This way people would still have something fun and exciting to RP about and making reserve would still be REALLY impressive at an international level for a younger charrie.

7) What those of us who started out doing the U17 thing did (Ern, me, Emily, Felix) was figure that U17 includes 17 year olds if they are already on the team. So 17 year old team members are 'aging out' of the team, and those would be the ones next up to be replaced.


8) How do you determine who makes a team?
People would submit a questionnaire, though extra requirements might feature to 'prove' that someone wants to be part of it.

9)How long can someone stay on a team? Until they graduate or tryout every year?
9a)Activity requirement?
Once they make the team, they are on the team, however if they aren't active on SS (the member, not necessarily the specific character) then they can risk being dropped in favour of someone who wants it more. I think this is fair because otherwise you'll get people who just want to hold a spot without really putting in any work or care, or appreciation for the work or care that you guys are putting in behind the scenes. We've had people before come on and sign up to the British and Irish League, 'taking' a position and then immediately going inactive which is a bother for people who miss out. The British and Irish League basically allows you to sign up for three IC years (1 ooc calendar year) so I think its perfectly reasonable to allow U17 characters to stay on the team once they make it, provided the member actually appreciates it

There's also the possible approach of having new people be able to 'challenge' for a position.

10) Restricted to residents of that country?
Absolutely yes.

Alongside this I would like to see the actual national teams at adult/professional level be available, though this would have to be picked through activity and having a character already playing in the B&I league.

As for regional teams, there are two options that I see:

1) For simplicity, each league team has a junior team, ie the Junior Magpies. However I think this is TOO many teams.

2) We divide up the UK ourselves to make less teams than this. Maybe Wales, Northern Ireland, Ireland, Scotland, North England, South England or something like that. (Best ask someone from the UK about what would be most realistic and sensemaking)

either way I think it'd best run as a SUMMER LEAGUE. this way the being at school factor won't matter. The teams could run tryouts during the Christmas and Easter holidays. And perhaps training sessions might be permitted during certain hogsmeade weekends or the like. Keeping in mind that not all the characters who play on the teams would necessarily attend Hogwarts!

They could also have invitational games where they are invited to play other junior European teams every now and then.

As for game play: I don't think there should be anything like what we used to have. I think initially we just need to have the lists officially and a process for being on the teams and go from there. We don't RP the big league so why should that be a necessity to make this happen?

I submitted a possible method to Pat a while back that is RP based, I'm not sure if that is going to be used in the school or not, but I can definitely share it with you, emjay, if you'd like to see it.

That's all for now.

I like these ideas! This is great guys! It will be nice to get the U17 here on SS like our Pro teams, just because it is something that many of us have played throughout our charries lives and it will be nice to have a same page sort of thing.


For setting it up, I think setting it up just like our Pro teams. The questionnaire is a great way to do it. Plus I think people need to think about their charrie while doing it. U17 is at least what I consider right under pro for the youth. So they should have experience, (school, camps, little kid leagues). Like said above U17 means under 17 so it would be until you were 17 not until you graduated since many graduate at 18.


I think that activity is a great thing. It doesn't have to be the player since we can only play one school age on site, but the member activity. Activity doesn't mean post daily either so lets not get that confused. Activity just means between this and this time you should be posting on site maybe an x amount.


Tegz I like the little league teams (junior _____ ) Those are great.