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Old 07-08-2003, 11:38 AM
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Finally we get a chance to look at Steven King's afamed review of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. Thanks to a user at the alt.fan.harry-potter newsgroup, who typed it in, and MuggleNet who posted a link! (Thanks Emerson)

Here's the part I like the best:
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You say this one's better than The Prisoner of Azkaban, better than The Goblet of Fire, is there still room for improvement?

Heavens, yes. In terms of Ms. Rowling's imagination –– which should be insured by Lloyd's of London (or perhaps the Incubus Insurance Company) for the 2 or 3 billion dollars it will ultimately be worth over the span of her creative liftime, which should be long –– she is now at the absolute top of her game. As a writer, however, she is often careless (characters never just put on their clothes; they always get "dressed at top speed") and oddly, almost sweetly, insecure. The part of speech that indicates insecurity ("Did you really hear me? Do you really understand me?") is the adverb, and Ms. Rowling seems to have never met one she didn't like, especially when it comes to dialogue attribution. Harry's godfather, Sirius, speaks "exasperatedly"; Mrs. Weasley (mother of Harry's best friend, Ron) speaks "sharply"; Tonks (a clumsy which with punked-up, particolor hair) speaks "earnestly." As for Harry himself, he speaks quietly, automatically, nervously, slowly, and often –– given his current case of raving adolescence –– ANGRILY.

These minor flaws in diction are endearing rather than annoying; they are the logical side effect of a natural storyteller who is obviously bursting with crazily vivid ideas and having the time of her life. Yet Ms. Rowling could do better, and for the money, probably should. In any case, there's no need for all those adverbs (he said firmly), which pile up at the rate of 8 or 10 a page (over 870 pages, that comes to almost a novella's length of -ly words). Because, really –– we hear, we understand, we enjoy. If the sales figures show nothing else, they show that. And if by the end of chapter 3 we don't know that Harry Potter is one utterly, completely, and pervasively angry young man, we haven't been paying attention.
Click the above link to see more. It's really a good review!
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lol.... i like adverbs
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Many are challenged when it comes to imagining a world of magic. With all her adverbs, it makes it easier to imagine what they feel and how their world is.
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He spelled witch wrong, he wrote which, lol. When he was talking about Mrs. Weasley, and although i did love the book, she did seem to be a little rushed with it, but wouldnt you be? With billions of fans all over the world demanding prefection out of her? I cant imagine the pressure. Seven King has more compition in her i think.
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Whilst what King says is partly correct and on occasions and the the use of the adverb is not needed, he needs to take a look at his own writing which i find though great lacks a certain somthing. i think he should try and add some abverbs himself to give his characters a bit of colour and let us know how they are feeling at all times.
King should also take note from JK as well from the fact that she has written only five books and is all ready as well know as him and proberly more read as well. JK is in my mind far more ingenious writer and he could learn a lot from her in the art of getting the readers so hooked on the books that the Pages begin to burn they read so fast.
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To be honest, I've only read one of Stephen King's books, and I was very disapointed. From someone as popular, or at least as widely know, I expected a lot better. So I'm not taking his criticism of JK's writing too seriously.
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I think J.K.'s useage of adverbs is great! without it, how would we be able to understand how the characters are feeling and how they are saying things? There are so many ways to interpret any given phrase that the reader usually needs some kind of guidance, i.e. the character said something angrily, joyfully, shyly...etc. I know Stephen King is a world famous writer, but that's just his opinion...i think it's pretty obvious that readers have a different one! I say yea for J.K.!
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I am a huge fan of Stephen King, and I think that he gave a well rounded review of the book. His criticisms were constructive, which is what writers need if they want to improve anyway. I'm not saying that J.K. needs improvement...Heck, I love her books just the way they are. If any of you were dissapointed in Stephen Kings works, it was probably because his writing focuses more the macabre, ugly side of life. The Harry Potter series is adventure oriented, and that's great. And really, he was complimenting her because he says her mistakes are just a side effect of having such an amazing story in her mind thats just itching to get out.. so really he's praising her abilities as a storyteller.

And as for him needing to learn how to write books so good that the pages are singed from turning, He doesnt need to learn how, he already makes books like that. It's just that not everyone likes his writing as much as J.K.'s. and vice versa.. so, I'm not trying to put anyone down, I just wanted to state my opinion...And, by the way I love Jk and Kings writing styles and books equally!
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I for one was was not dissapointed with King because hes macabre quite the opposite in fact, i find him to write stories a bit on the bright side of life. i think i find him dull because he's to predictable i know how the books going to end after only a few chapters. Also he's one of the few authors yhat send's me to sleep so his books always come in handy when I am going through a bout of insomnia.
For any horror readers out there may I recommend Shaun Hutson, a great writer or has the gore running from the first page.
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"I happen to think he's quite right," said Keira haughtily.

Joking, joking - well, somewhat. King's critiscm was very well done - not rude, not harsh, just words of improvement - which EVERY writer likes and needs. I'm sure she's taken his words to heart and is looking (carefully) over her work and probably seeing it...

Honestly, he's right - I opened up my copy of OoP and counted 8 adverbs on the one page I turned to...it does help people imagine, but there really is no need to go; "Hermione smiled happily" or "Harry yelled angrily"...some things are just implied, you know?
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To be honest, I've only read one of Stephen King's books, and I was very disapointed. From someone as popular, or at least as widely know, I expected a lot better. So I'm not taking his criticism of JK's writing too seriously.
Same here, that's exactly how i feel.
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but there really is no need to go; "Hermione smiled happily" or "Harry yelled angrily"...some things are just implied, you know?
Those are what we call "redundancies." My college english teacher warned us about doing that. Words that are unnecessary, like "they pouted sukily." But honestly I didn't even notice it. It's a mark of a great author if they can have things like that in their books and nnot have it too noticeable.
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