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Old 03-11-2020, 02:07 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I get obviously there would not been any story if Dumbledore did that.

But why do you think Dumbledore didn't think to send all muggle borns home?.

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Would've been a smart idea, and in the meantime, try and figure out how the chamber was opening. Actually, in general I feel like Dumbledore could've done a lot more. He knew it was Riddle that opened it last time, so I feel like he could've tried to figure out how he was able to open it this time. I'm surprised he hasn't at least tried to figure out where the entrance was or at least investigate in the 50 years in between the openings. We know Dumbledore has a good feel for certain magic, demonstrated when him and Harry went into the cave for the locket, so I'm surprised he didn't do the same at Hogwarts.
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There were a lot of obvious things Dumbledore didn't do, I feel. I think perhaps his thought process was that he wanted to give kids the opportunity to learn and continue their school work. But at the same time, why didn't he at least give the choice to students that if they would feel safer leaving, they could have? There were really so many things that just about anyone else would have done that he didn't. Perhaps he kept his old prejudice from his earlier years with Grindelwald about Muggleborns and just kept it burried?

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I mean, we don't know that he didn't do these things, or at least consider them? We really DON'T know any/all of the things that happen behind-the-scenes with the professors because this series is so limited to Harry's perspective. However, that's not a criticism, I assure you; it's very accurate to your own school years, if you think back. Having become a teacher now, I am, frankly, amazed at all the behind-the-scenes things my own teachers did and protected me from. And in hindsight, I'm grateful for being allowed to continue to live in relatively ignorant childhood bliss.

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Perhaps he kept his old prejudice from his earlier years with Grindelwald about Muggleborns and just kept it burried?

and then there's this thought, which goes along with the 'Is Dumbledore secretly evil?' conspiracy club theory. I SINCERELY DOUBT this is true, plus, the author of this series has SAID "Dumbledore is the epitome of goodness."

So anyway. Interesting thought but I kindly disagree. I think this question is more of a .... necessary plot device thing...?
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There are a lot of things that didn't make sense to me in the Chamber of Secrets, including that. Any teacher in their right mind would do that until the problem is solved and the danger is gone.

The other thing that was bothering me is how did Tom Riddle get away with framing Hagrid? I mean, Myrthle's body was left without any marks, there would at least have to be a bite mark or something on her to explain that Aragog killed her. Spiders do not kill without leaving any marks. Dumbledore was already suspecting Riddle to be behind this, so why not insist on looking further into it. I mean, if a couple of second year students were able to find out about the basilisk, why couldn't he? And really, a spider would be Slytherin's monster?

I think that Rowling didn't want to picture Dumbledore as evil, it's just that there are many plot holes in the story (which happens, so hey).
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There are a lot of things that didn't make sense to me in the Chamber of Secrets, including that. Any teacher in their right mind would do that until the problem is solved and the danger is gone.

The other thing that was bothering me is how did Tom Riddle get away with framing Hagrid? I mean, Myrthle's body was left without any marks, there would at least have to be a bite mark or something on her to explain that Aragog killed her. Spiders do not kill without leaving any marks. Dumbledore was already suspecting Riddle to be behind this, so why not insist on looking further into it. I mean, if a couple of second year students were able to find out about the basilisk, why couldn't he? And really, a spider would be Slytherin's monster?

I think that Rowling didn't want to picture Dumbledore as evil, it's just that there are many plot holes in the story (which happens, so hey).
^ Once again, Nemesis coming in with the spot-on takes!!!

I have always wanted Justice for Hagrid for the same reasons you just pointed out. That's actually a great discussion topic you should start in this forum, if you feel up for it!

But uh, you're right. This whole thread is kind of pointing out plot holes. OR IS IT?

Do we think maybe there's a side effect of magic in the wizarding world, in that it allows wizards to put on the blinders and ignore so many things/or let them carry on for so long, because they... they have so many other things going on, or they're so used to things ~working themselves out~ due to the nature of magic being a MacGuffin like that anyway?

Thoughts? Did that sentence make sense?

Also, it wasn't JUST Muggleborns that were going to be attacked by the beast in the Chamber, right? They were just FIRST? And, not all the victims initially WERE Muggleborn, so maybe... DD & the faculty didn't wish to incite a panic by sending kids home? And--- I go could on and on from the educator's perspective, but I'd rather hear others' thoughts first.
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Oh yeah, justice for Hagrid all the way! He was really such a lovable character.

If it's not a plot hole... maybe it's good ol' wizarding prejudice towards "half-breeds". Maybe they were simply looking for a scapegoat to keep the school from closing. Plus Dumbledore wasn't the headmaster then, it was Dippet. Maybe Dippet wanted to cover it up, and Riddle just came up with somebody to blame. Still, it's astounding that the Ministry wouldn't look further into it. Maybe they dropped the case once the attacks stopped.
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Oh yeah, justice for Hagrid all the way! He was really such a lovable character.

If it's not a plot hole... maybe it's good ol' wizarding prejudice towards "half-breeds". Maybe they were simply looking for a scapegoat to keep the school from closing. Plus Dumbledore wasn't the headmaster then, it was Dippet. Maybe Dippet wanted to cover it up, and Riddle just came up with somebody to blame. Still, it's astounding that the Ministry wouldn't look further into it. Maybe they dropped the case once the attacks stopped.
Well, Dumbledore could at least persuade Dippet to let Hagrid stay and be a game-keeper.
That was good enough at the time, I guess.
Especially if everybody else thought that Hagrid's spider killed Myrthle.
But it probably is true that Dippet and the Ministry were satisfied with having a scapegoat.
Especially as nobody else was killed after Hagrid was expelled.
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Well, Dumbledore could at least persuade Dippet to let Hagrid stay and be a game-keeper.
That was good enough at the time, I guess.
Especially if everybody else thought that Hagrid's spider killed Myrthle.
But it probably is true that Dippet and the Ministry were satisfied with having a scapegoat.
Especially as nobody else was killed after Hagrid was expelled.
It's even stranger that they would allow somebody who is apparently guilty of killing another student to stay near the school as a game-keeper. Dippet probably knew that it likely wasn't Hagrid's fault, so he was more easily persuaded by Dumbledore that he can stay on school grounds.
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I always thought it was a little weird that after the Chamber was opened and it was obvious Hagrid didn't do it - couldn't he like, get his diploma or something? A wizarding GED?

but honestly, I think they were confident in their ability to keep the muggleborns SAFE (meaning not dead, as obviously some were petrified) until Ginny actually went into the chamber. In the wizarding world, knowing that the petrified students would be ok eventually was probably enough justification for them to keep things going. It sounds awful but the wizarding world is a totally different place and the level of what is considered "dangerous' is probably much higher, you know?
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The only other plausible theory I could come up with on them not sending students home was on it making the fear even greater. If a number of muggle-born students (first-years for example) were sent home, the chances of them returning to the school after the danger was over.... probably wouldn't be high. Let alone the other students. The Daily Prophet would have fun with this "Hogwarts Turns Away Muggle-Borns" and it would place another bad light on the school, coming across as discriminatory, and even older students would have a fear of returning afterward.

I also agree with the idea that the staff were likely more confident finding out who did it and taking care of it. After all, it was 50 years ago that it happened, with that unfortunate tragic experience they were combing through each student and the location for it to be found. But still... they never considered asking Myrtle what her last moments were? That's definitely a plot hole. I can't imagine being a ghost haunting the school where you had died and the staff members that were around at the time of your death didn't think "Hm, I wonder... let's ask her and see where that gets us." Probably would've saved a few students from being attacked if they went to her first. Especially if they were confident that Hagrid wouldn't have done it.
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