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Old 11-08-2005, 12:46 AM   #1 (permalink)
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this is my first attempt of a new thread, so i'm really sorry if i put this in the wrong board.

i'm wondering after reading all the books, it disturbs me that somehow other houses except Slytherin become friends with each other, even there are even some people going out with other in different houses.
except Slytherin obviously.
it's like JKR has made it sounds like no one like Slytherins at all, and Slytherins are being cut off from others in Hogwarts, if you know what i mean.
of course, JKR mentioned that Slytherin is the house which produced more dark wizards than any other houses, and as we all know that Slytherins are proud because most of them are pure-blood.
But it can't be that all Slytherins are bad aren't they?
For example Snape is grey, although i don't trust him much after what he did to DD.
but there're must be someone from Slytherins who is not evil or at least can get along with other houses too.

so what do you guys think?
are all Slytherins bad? or JKR has made it looks really bad just because Voldy used to be in Slytherin?


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Old 11-08-2005, 10:46 PM   #2 (permalink)
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No, I don't think Slytherins are all bad. Well, some are, obviously, but that's besides the point. Anyway, the way I've intepreted it is this: the Slytherins' typical trait as described by the Sorting Hat is ambition and maybe a bit of ruthlessness in that ambition, so maybe they're not as eager to befriend students from other houses, they might be a little more self-absorbed or arrogant/conceited because they know what they want and they're anxious to get it. I dunno, that's just how I've always thought of it!
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Old 11-09-2005, 01:25 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I agree with ^...I am a firm believer of don't judge a book by its cover. I think in the case of Slytherin, most seem to be afraid of the students or at least a little intimidated. Lets face it (although I love Snape)...most new students coming into Hogwarts get a first glimpse of Slytherin house by having Snape as a professor....and that could scare a few kids who are impresssionable.(is that really a word, hmm).
And then there is the other fact that Slytherins are not really tolerant of the kids who aren't pure bloods...they feel they would have to "stoop" to a lower level when associating with kids from the other houses.
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Old 11-09-2005, 01:52 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 11-09-2005, 01:59 AM   #5 (permalink)
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It think alot of Slytherins don't fit into the "Slytherin Steriotype" of course that's the one they fit best, but everyone has a soft side. I get sorted into Slytherin on all the online sorting hats I'm sorted by, but most of my friends get into Ravenclaw or Gryffindor. I guess that doesn't really relate to much, since I'm not a charecter in the books but I think alot of Slytherins aren't what they seem.


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Old 11-09-2005, 04:18 AM   #6 (permalink)
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i agree with all of you but most of them are pure-blood but some of them are also half-blood (Snape and Voldermort) but it really troubles me when DA is formed, nobody from Slytherin comes and join it.
well at least, i think a few of them should have a little bit of dislike towards Umbridge though.
if Slytherins are so concerned of saving their own necks, some of them should join DA, so they'd be saving their neck when Voldermort strikes.
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Old 11-09-2005, 10:56 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Of course they`re not!
It varies just like with the other characters!
I mean, yes, a lot of them are downright nasty...
But most Slytherins here are nice people, eh?
I have to think out a far better answer to this...


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I don't think Slytherins are all bad either. I guess they're just the type to do whatever it takes to be at the top, but that doesn't mean they're bad people. They're probably greedy which can make them look bad, but as individuals, some may actually be really nice.
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Old 11-10-2005, 05:54 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I don't think they're all bad.. but i think they think they're better than everyone so they don't socialize with everyone else.
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My argument is that no, Slytherins are not all bad. However, the HP books don't give a clear-cut example of a "good" Slytherin. They are, however, "touched by darkness" in some aspect of their lives--Snape had a rotten family, Riddle never did have one, and a good many others are affiliated with Death Eaters as relatives. It makes it that much easier for a Slytherin (with the sterotypical qualities of ambition, risk-taking, a certain disregard of the rules, etc.) to turn to the Dark Arts than say a student in Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw.

[quote]if Slytherins are so concerned of saving their own necks, some of them should join DA, so they'd be saving their neck when Voldermort strikes.

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You forget that the Slytherins never got an invitation. It's their affiliation with the Dark Arts (directly, indirectly or involuntary) that makes them suspicious in the eyes of the other houses and that much more untrustworthy.
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Old 11-10-2005, 10:45 PM   #11 (permalink)
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well maybe i guess it's how there raised like.....nobody is bad when there 1st born it's there childhood and maybe well its hard for me to explain this but i guess yhea! i think they r!
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You forget that the Slytherins never got an invitation. It's their affiliation with the Dark Arts (directly, indirectly or involuntary) that makes them suspicious in the eyes of the other houses and that much more untrustworthy.
oh i forgot about that.
thanks for pointing it out.

i wish JKR could create one character which is neither as bad as Malfoy or as good as students from other houses, sort of like grey character like Snape.
and i wish that character is also as useful as other characters in the book.
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Old 11-11-2005, 01:42 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I don't think the slytherins are all bad. Everyone has a little bit of good in them. It all depends if they let it show or not. Most of the slytherins decide to not let it show. As you see when slytherin torments somebody then they all laugh and comment. But that doesnt mean that they don't have a nice side to them.
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Old 11-11-2005, 01:47 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Not all slytherins are considered "bad" in my book now days. Many of them are just seperated from the other groups in packs because of the reps that are placed upon the house.
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we're not all bad! i mean, ambition and pride r considered evil bcuz many evil ppl have them but not every1 who knos wut they want and has self-respect is evil! JKR probly just tells about the most prototypical slytherins to give us an idea of wut theyre about, but even they can constantly be bad...there r a lot of slythies on this website...r WE all evil? (er actually even i dont kno about myself so i dunno...) but i dont think so. sum most defiantely r but not close to all.
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Old 11-11-2005, 11:07 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Slughorn was in Slytherin and he is funny. Not all the Slytherins are bad. They are only searching for power. May be searching at the bad way or the good way. For example Slughorn searched for the power by being friendly with the most important wizards and witches. That is his power. Voldemort searched for the power by terrifing people and made all of them at his service.
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Old 11-12-2005, 07:12 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I think the outlook of the Wizarding World as given at the books is very biased. Even Dumbledore who is suppossedly all wise at the series is most judgamental of an 11-year-old and of the Slytherin House at all, since the 2nd book was such an anti-Slytherin propaganda

But I think Rowling might have done it on purpose, to make it very difficult for us to feel sympathy for the characters. (In a way, she failed, considering all Snape fans, heh.)

After the 6th book, which wasn't my favorite but oh well, the good thing about it was that Rowling for the first time was making "Slytherin" be seen from a new light. Draco Malfoy, who was in Harry's definition the worst boy he ever met even worst than Dudley, is finally seen as a victim and as a not-so-bad person. Even Harry now wants to help him.

On the other hand, I don't believe in good and evil so that has it. If our side is always good and the other side always bad, then there's no real definition of good and evil and really... asking from Harry's pov if the Slytherins are evil? Then yes. Ask from the Slytherins' pov who's evil? They will say, the Gryffindors (or even the whole school).
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I think the outlook of the Wizarding World as given at the books is very biased. Even Dumbledore who is suppossedly all wise at the series is most judgamental of an 11-year-old and of the Slytherin House at all, since the 2nd book was such an anti-Slytherin propaganda

But I think Rowling might have done it on purpose, to make it very difficult for us to feel sympathy for the characters. (In a way, she failed, considering all Snape fans, heh.)

After the 6th book, which wasn't my favorite but oh well, the good thing about it was that Rowling for the first time was making "Slytherin" be seen from a new light. Draco Malfoy, who was in Harry's definition the worst boy he ever met even worst than Dudley, is finally seen as a victim and as a not-so-bad person. Even Harry now wants to help him.

On the other hand, I don't believe in good and evil so that has it. If our side is always good and the other side always bad, then there's no real definition of good and evil and really... asking from Harry's pov if the Slytherins are evil? Then yes. Ask from the Slytherins' pov who's evil? They will say, the Gryffindors (or even the whole school).
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Slytherins are the same as everyone else, it's just a lot of the bad ones end up there, because of some of slytherins past (i think), but there are plain powerful wizards that are on the good side that get sorted there too.
And all the people who support snape etc on here, are all saying that they think he might still be good, etc etc. So bleh, they're not all bad. it just feels slightly evil to a lot of us.
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Not all Slytherins are bad. Especially Malfoy. That was shown in the last book. He felt pressured to do his mission and was out to avenge his father. But he was almost heading to the good side. Most Slytherins are just misunderstood.
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^ i agree with you. They are just missunderstood or pressured into thise bad situations
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No way. It is never said, anywhere in the books that they're all bad.

It's just that, obviously if your family are death eaters and such then of course you're going to be put into Slytherin so, and more than likely are going to become a DD aswell.

It has nothing to do with the fact that someone is a Slytherin, its who you are as a person. Other people who are put into Slytherin could just be really ambitious.

And what about Horace Slughorn, he was a Slytherin.
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I don't think they are all bad. They are determined to get what they want. I think some of them take it too extreme and tend to be nasty. It seems like all the bullys get put there. But no not all are bad.
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Nope, I don't think they're all bad. Sorting Hat wanted to sort Harry in Slytherin and didn't do it cuz Harry didn't want to be there. And Harry isn't bad. Slytherins are only a bit mean and jelaous of Gryfindors triumph. Gryfindor is always better in everything and Slytherins want to take pride in something too.
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I don't think there all bad. I mean harry was going to be in slytherin. i mean i think its just the way rowling makes her books look like. i think there has to be a good person in that entire house.
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