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Cult of Walpurgis EraAll historical records pertaining to Ministry of Magic RPG under Ministers for Magic, Alexandra Carlton [IC January 2072 - October 2073; OOC October 2010 - May 2011 ] & Lord Borr [IC October 2073 - December 2076; OOC May 2011 - December 2011]
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Originally Posted by Zellanna
"I would think very few would, actually. Which would mean someone would have to figure out the wards and put it up. Other option would be muggle means, but I hate to go in that direction." He shuddered slightly. "As for escaping without fault to the owner, it happens all the time. Nearly as often as animals find their way indoors."
"I'm sure it can be done if we were to work with some of the other departments," he mused in a low tone. "But I think muggle means of confinement will have to do until then. Nothing drastic, like chaining them up." Nikos did NOT agree with that. "If they are capable owners, they will see that it doesn't continue." He shrugged his shoulders. "Acidents happen, crups may get out once or twice, no need to punish that. Caution yes."
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Warren was beginning to find these arguments rather circular, and tiresome. Twisting the phoenix feather between his fingers for a moment, he then blew on it, letting the pinion take flight, lazily drifting through the meeting room.
"There seems to be no cure-all for our woes. What will placate one, will infuriate another. If they want their pets to be near muggles, then they have to adhere to the laws that are in place. These protestors do not know what they are fighting for. And I use the term "fighting" in the loosest sense of the word. They will eventually find a big league quidditch match, or some undeserving celebrity, to occupy their limited attention spans with." He spoke with equal parts disdain and boredom.
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Originally Posted by Zellanna
"Sadly, I wish I could believe that." He sighed and shook his head. "I'm sure many people thought that in the muggle world, and now it's a huge movement. A nearly useless movement in many cases, but huge. And, at times, violent. This is what fanatics do. I admit, I do not see this small group as much of a threat, but I also don't see them diverting their attention quite as easily as you may think."
Nikos listened to the man, and then to Drago, sighing softly. "I agree that if they want magical pets near muggles, they need to adhere to the laws in place. Though I don't think them unknowledgeable on what they are fighting for. Maybe some, but not all." He turned his eyes to Drago. "Let us hope it does not become violent. I don't see them as violent, but they do seemed determined, just....not willing to cooperate with us in a civilized manner." Which the Greek man did not like.
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He had a good point but there was still ways that person could get around that one "What happens If they decide to just get another crup and it is to do the same thing?" she asked, he was very intellegente.
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"That would be the issue, wouldn't it?" Drago said dryly. Oh yes, she could ask questions and point out flaws, but he couldn't? Hypocrite. "There can be fines and penalties for negligent owners, if it comes down to it. The same as with any other violation."
Inclining his head in Drago's direction, he kept his eyes on the young woman. "Fines and penalties of course. And we can instruct pet stores to not sell crups to this person. There is still the black market, but if they go to that extreme to own a pet, then I hardly doubt they'll just get a crup," he waved his hand dismissively. "But that is another problem for another meeting."
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A counter on something that wasnt for him figures. "So what happens if they just disreguard the problem that they cannot control there pets? What if they become the protestors after we take away there pet?" she was just asking not rudely but she really wanted infromation and this way they could resovle the problem at hand
"We will just have to handle that case by case," he responded with a slightly frustrated sigh. "They are already protesters in there own right if they refuse to follow the law. Its not like we are going to march in and take the crup the first time it gets loose, they would receive multiple warnings, and if those went ignored, then the pet would be removed." His brown eyes narrowed slightly. "We are not being cruel or unreasonable. Just keeping the law enforced."
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[B]"We will just have to handle that case by case," he responded with a slightly frustrated sigh. "They are already protesters in there own right if they refuse to follow the law. Its not like we are going to march in and take the crup the first time it gets loose, they would receive multiple warnings, and if those went ignored, then the pet would be removed." His brown eyes narrowed slightly. "We are not being cruel or unreasonable. Just keeping the law enforced."
Well it sound okay for her but what would the department head say about it "Good points." she said encouraging but she knew that Drago would have something negative to say.
lol Doesn't help that Drago can be confrontational... he's had to be
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Originally Posted by lilithpotter
This man was really raging her nerves but she was not going to let it get to her. She dedcide to just stay calm and adjust her attitude It was a bit fierce. "I appreciate your counters to my solutions." She said It was not the time for and arguement and If they kept up the harshness then It was headed that way. It was these nagging protestors again and agian. "So what are your ideas to detain the protestors?" she was sure he would find something to say bad.
"Detaining is not my area. Or at least, I wouldn't recommend it. I've only recently left the Werewolf Capture Unit." He chuckled. "And I think that sort of thing is best left up to Magical Law Enforcement anyhow."
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Nikos listened to the man, and then to Drago, sighing softly. "I agree that if they want magical pets near muggles, they need to adhere to the laws in place. Though I don't think them unknowledgeable on what they are fighting for. Maybe some, but not all." He turned his eyes to Drago. "Let us hope it does not become violent. I don't see them as violent, but they do seemed determined, just....not willing to cooperate with us in a civilized manner." Which the Greek man did not like.
Inclining his head in Drago's direction, he kept his eyes on the young woman. "Fines and penalties of course. And we can instruct pet stores to not sell crups to this person. There is still the black market, but if they go to that extreme to own a pet, then I hardly doubt they'll just get a crup," he waved his hand dismissively. "But that is another problem for another meeting."
"A crup blacklist. Sounds like a decent idea. And to be honest, if someone is willing to go that far to get a crup specifically, I'd be a little worried at what they're doing with the crup."
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"I'm sure it can be done if we were to work with some of the other departments," he mused in a low tone. "But I think muggle means of confinement will have to do until then. Nothing drastic, like chaining them up." Nikos did NOT agree with that. "If they are capable owners, they will see that it doesn't continue." He shrugged his shoulders. "Acidents happen, crups may get out once or twice, no need to punish that. Caution yes."
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Originally Posted by lilithpotter
A counter on something that wasnt for him figures. "So what happens if they just disreguard the problem that they cannot control there pets? What if they become the protestors after we take away there pet?" she was just asking not rudely but she really wanted infromation and this way they could resovle the problem at hand
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Originally Posted by grangerfan8
"We will just have to handle that case by case," he responded with a slightly frustrated sigh. "They are already protesters in there own right if they refuse to follow the law. Its not like we are going to march in and take the crup the first time it gets loose, they would receive multiple warnings, and if those went ignored, then the pet would be removed." His brown eyes narrowed slightly. "We are not being cruel or unreasonable. Just keeping the law enforced."
"I agree. And it may be a certain number of incidents per year, or even per month. If the animal is escaping once a week, or even once a month, perhaps we could work with the individual in order to improve their property to keep the pet contained."
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Originally Posted by lilithpotter
Well it sound okay for her but what would the department head say about it "Good points." she said encouraging but she knew that Drago would have something negative to say.
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Originally Posted by Zellanna
"A crup blacklist. Sounds like a decent idea. And to be honest, if someone is willing to go that far to get a crup specifically, I'd be a little worried at what they're doing with the crup."
"I agree. And it may be a certain number of incidents per year, or even per month. If the animal is escaping once a week, or even once a month, perhaps we could work with the individual in order to improve their property to keep the pet contained."[/SIZE]
Nikos nodded at the young woman when she seemed to agree with his thoughts. He was sure she would have more to say when the department head spoke.
"Very worrisome. Defiantly cause for further investigation if an incident ever arises." Something that would fall under the beast division, which was no longer his job. He would volunteer his help though. "I like that idea. That way we won't have to take a pet from there owner unless it becomes absolutely necessary."
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Nikos nodded at the young woman when she seemed to agree with his thoughts. He was sure she would have more to say when the department head spoke.
"Very worrisome. Defiantly cause for further investigation if an incident ever arises." Something that would fall under the beast division, which was no longer his job. He would volunteer his help though. "I like that idea. That way we won't have to take a pet from there owner unless it becomes absolutely necessary."
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"I agree. And it may be a certain number of incidents per year, or even per month. If the animal is escaping once a week, or even once a month, perhaps we could work with the individual in order to improve their property to keep the pet contained."
"I say that if the crup gets loose more than 3 times a week in one week, or more than 4 times a month then the crup would need to be taken away." she said only giving her opinion. It probably wouldnt mean anything.
"I think that's reasonable," Drago nodded. "Especially for an experienced crup owner. I might give a little leniency to a new family with a pup, but after the second time that week, we could work with them and find out what the problem is."
"I think that's reasonable," Drago nodded. "Especially for an experienced crup owner. I might give a little leniency to a new family with a pup, but after the second time that week, we could work with them and find out what the problem is."
Wow they had found a common ground "We could still tell them the importance of using the disillusionment charm and border control charms around thier homes. This way there is no reason the crup should get out or need to get thier tails cut and the protestors could stay at bay for the time being." she added smiling and nodding towards Drago.
"Well, as I said, work with them." He leaned back, not having to write as furiously as the conversation cooled. "I wonder if we could find some sort of runes to make the border charms last longer. As it is, many charms and wards need to be renewed or reinforced periodically."
"What about the rune Isa? It is used to stop a process maybe we could use it as a blockage some how." she said she wasnt really good at runes but she gave it a shot.
"I think a full runic circle would be better, actually. I would be worried about a rune alone having any affect, and Isa might block the spell on its own. Instead..." He pulled a piece of parchment and drew a circle on it, placing a triangle in the center. "Someone would have to place this, I don't think your typical Hogwarts graduate would know this sort of magic, however..."
He started by drawing an X into the center.
"Gebo, the rune of balance, to allow us to balance the runes with each other. It causes more harm than good when balancing a singular rune, as the others would, which is why it's centered. It is a rune of compromise, which will help in the pairings." Then he began Writing each rune, explaining them as he went.
"Kenaz, the power to create; a rune of knowledge, creativity, and inspiration. It also strengthens. This one you have to be careful with often... I use it for my more powerful illusions to give them realisitic form. It should be handy for extension of magical energy."
"Isa, as you mentioned, can be a blocker, and necessary to balance Kenaz for this purpose. Failure to do so could mean too much energy. It also represents a standstill, the same as the Hanged Man in tarot. Another good use for it is that it reinforces the runes around it."
"Thurisaz, not to be trifled with. It's a reactive force, a catalyst. And it's a directed force, which is what we need. We can use it to maintain a focus on the crups, or perhaps ones with a particular collar, if we wish. But it can be destructive as well as defensive, so..."
"Focus it through Dagaz, a rune of clarity. This is also a balancing rune, much like Gebo. It's a direction of will upon the spell. It's also been known in quite a few security wards, so another reinforcement of the idea of the barrier."
"Mannaz, self, inner will. This is to reinforce that it is our will, man's will, you could say, that something that is not human is contained. Again, our focus for the primary spell we are warding being the crups."
"Laguz, our focus for Mannaz, is the flow of energy. It will help the energy of our will flow through the circle, as well as the energy of our spell, combining them."
He looked around at the others as he pushed the drawing forward. "Questions? Suggestions? Additions? Replacements?"
ooc: I had one for each, but it got a little... big.
"I think a full runic circle would be better, actually. I would be worried about a rune alone having any affect, and Isa might block the spell on its own. Instead..." He pulled a piece of parchment and drew a circle on it, placing a triangle in the center. "Someone would have to place this, I don't think your typical Hogwarts graduate would know this sort of magic, however..."
He started by drawing an X into the center.
"Gebo, the rune of balance, to allow us to balance the runes with each other. It causes more harm than good when balancing a singular rune, as the others would, which is why it's centered. It is a rune of compromise, which will help in the pairings." Then he began Writing each rune, explaining them as he went.
"Kenaz, the power to create; a rune of knowledge, creativity, and inspiration. It also strengthens. This one you have to be careful with often... I use it for my more powerful illusions to give them realisitic form. It should be handy for extension of magical energy."
"Isa, as you mentioned, can be a blocker, and necessary to balance Kenaz for this purpose. Failure to do so could mean too much energy. It also represents a standstill, the same as the Hanged Man in tarot. Another good use for it is that it reinforces the runes around it."
"Thurisaz, not to be trifled with. It's a reactive force, a catalyst. And it's a directed force, which is what we need. We can use it to maintain a focus on the crups, or perhaps ones with a particular collar, if we wish. But it can be destructive as well as defensive, so..."
"Focus it through Dagaz, a rune of clarity. This is also a balancing rune, much like Gebo. It's a direction of will upon the spell. It's also been known in quite a few security wards, so another reinforcement of the idea of the barrier."
"Mannaz, self, inner will. This is to reinforce that it is our will, man's will, you could say, that something that is not human is contained. Again, our focus for the primary spell we are warding being the crups."
"Laguz, our focus for Mannaz, is the flow of energy. It will help the energy of our will flow through the circle, as well as the energy of our spell, combining them."
He looked around at the others as he pushed the drawing forward. "Questions? Suggestions? Additions? Replacements?"
ooc: I had one for each, but it got a little... big.
"Thats pretty amazing" she said looking over the parchment with the new drawing. She was glad he had used Isa and gave her credit for it. "So how would we go about placing them in someones yard or home?" she asked
"I'm not sure. We can experiment a few ways." He sat back again, looking at the image. "I've seen a few used... or used them myself. One I've seen is to attune it to markers, then place the markers at the edge of a property. Another, which I tend to use, is to place the circle in the center and include in the spell a range. So the effect of the spell would radiate out from the ward. Another method, which I've used before, is to lay down the ward large enough to encompass the space. I don't see how we can do that with a home property, however. Not with the house, trees, or anything else in the way."
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Runes?
How on EARTH had the conversation progressed into bringing in Ancient Runes? Though she must admit, the idea was something she had never come up with herself. That was.. If it were to work. They might have to test it first, though the thought seemed cruel itself, especially if it were to go wrong. The Head nodded along with the conversation, though she was pretty certain she asked for ONE idea each. As long as good lengthy notes were being written it was fine.
She looked over at her Spirits division head, her arms folded across her chest, almost protectively, glad to see he had not left the room but still a little shocked by what he had said to her.
"Does anyone ELSE have any ideas?" she asked, considering only three or four of them had done the majority of the talking and she liked to give everyone the opportunity.
"Drago? Can I see the notes?" she asked, her eyes flickering over the peice of parchment in front of him. Now once they had done this, they could go. They deserved a break after all. Though she liked the diagram, that made things a lot more interesting. "And if any of you have an idea you could put forward visually" she glanced at the Runes drawings again, "that would be absolutely fantastic" the Blonde smiled across the table.
OOC: Feel free to create a diagram of some sort on a computer program or scan in an original drawing. I would LOVE to see your ideas written down visually like this. It could inspire others to do the same. And keep going, every single one of you is doing FANTASTIC!
Ryanne grabbed a piece of parchment and set it out in front of her. "What about this?" She began to draw squares that looked like she was about to play tic tac toe but after a few moments the drawing revealed what she was really trying to do.
Pushing the drawing foward she began to explain.
"Using the same runes as mentioned before." she said nodding to Drago
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"Gebo, the rune of , to allow us to balance the runes with each other. It causes more harm than good when balancing a singular rune, as the others would, which is why it's centered. It is a rune of compromise, which will help in the pairings." Then he began Writing each rune, explaining them as he went.
"Kenaz, the power to create; a rune of knowledge, creativity, and inspiration. It also strengthens. This one you have to be careful with often... I use it for my more powerful illusions to give them realisitic form. It should be handy for extension of magical energy."
"Isa, as you mentioned, can be a blocker, and necessary to balance Kenaz for this purpose. Failure to do so could mean too much energy. It also represents a standstill, the same as the Hanged Man in tarot. Another good use for it is that it reinforces the runes around it."
"Thurisaz, not to be trifled with. It's a reactive force, a catalyst. And it's a directed force, which is what we need. We can use it to maintain a focus on the crups, or perhaps ones with a particular collar, if we wish. But it can be destructive as well as defensive, so..."
"Focus it through Dagaz, a rune of clarity. This is also a balancing rune, much like Gebo. It's a direction of will upon the spell. It's also been known in quite a few security wards, so another reinforcement of the idea of the barrier."
"Mannaz, self, inner will. This is to reinforce that it is our will, man's will, you could say, that something that is not human is contained. Again, our focus for the primary spell we are warding being the crups."
"Laguz, our focus for Mannaz, is the flow of energy. It will help the energy of our will flow through the circle, as well as the energy of our spell, combining them."
"We could use a different formation, as if we would place them in someone's yard," pointing to the diagram of the yard "First we place gebo rune in the center, normally where the house is. Next in the corners we place the kenaz rune here, Isa rune here, Laguz rune here and dagaz rune here," she said pointing to the corners. "Then we place the mannaz and thurisaz rune here on oppisite sides of the gebo rune," she ended
"I have two concerns. One would be straying from the circle into something that is more of a ward shape, though I think that could be done. The other is that our trinity gets separated. But, you have a good idea here, I think." He pulled it closer to look at it. "Still use angles to properly focus it, like the triangle, see?" He drew what almost looked like arrows, though were more like two sides to a triangle, pointing at each of the runes that had been in the corners of the triangles. "Inside or outside, I'm not sure. We'd have to play with that a bit. Next, don't group that which is inside the triangle or which is outside of it. The point is to focus and balance. Lining them up like this could disrupt that. So instead, place them around the borders."
He gestured to Thuriaz and Mannaz. "These in opposition might cause the spell to become too powerful. Mix them. A directed force of inner will sounds good, but there's no balance to it. They're both provokers. The radius of the spell might be boosted, or become too potent, so that the crup could not be removed from the property at all. Worse, the caster's will at the time of casting could pollute it. At this, that's the theory. We could attempt it and see if it's the same in practice."
Drago pushed it back toward the center of the table. "What could we do about the house itself? If we do have Gebu in the center at the house, should we have it on the roof? Most wizarding homes have enough magic, either altering the interior or simply being used for household chores, to disrupt the ward from within it. Maybe some sort of crystal to focus at each of the outside runes? Or, of course, simply put the central rune on the house, or as close to center as possible if the house is shifted on the property."
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Violet pursed her lips. She had purposefully not said anything for the past few minutes. What was her reason? She didn't understand runes. At all. As soon as the conversation had taken that turn, she'd sat back in her chair. She'd already done some of the talking, and no one had liked her ideas anyway. Why say more on a subject now, when she wouldn't even know what she was talking about?
However, it did seem like an good idea. It might even work. If there were the right sorts of runes to keep magical sounds from affecting human ears, or to magically disguise an extra tail...yes, it almost made sense.
She'd let the others figure that part out, and then once there was a change of subject, she'd jump back in. Runes...not something she'd expected to run into.
Drago had made some good points. "I believe that no matter what each daigram would need to be placed and attempted many times to get it right. Trail and error, to say nothing is going to work the first time." Or at least she thought it would'nt "Try, try, try again , failure only means there is room for imporvement." she smiled "I do like your idea maybe grouping them more around the house as oppose to around the yard but If our purpose is to keep them in why would we make it weak to allow possible exit?" She asked
"Sorry, I should have clarified. I meant to bring them out purposefully. Say, for veterinary visits, or take them for a walk. That sort of thing. I don't know much about canine ownership, but I assume there are times they even take the animals to others' houses. So long as the house is not a muggle home, I see no reason to restrict them from that, unless the crup gets out every time they do so."
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Erica watched as diagrams were being produced and nodded at them as they were being shown. Good, at least some people had been willing to pipe up and put in their ideas, even if they were to do with Runes, a subject that Erica was not quite so familiar with herself, compared to a lot of the others. She took note of what they were saying though, acting more as a listener, learning for herself more on the idea. Although it could work, she herself and she was sure the same would apply for many others, was slightly skeptical. "Interesting" she piped in, just to keep the conversation going and to announce that she was still listening. Had runes always been known to work though,or was that just what people honestly believed.
Deciding that some of the employees were starting to get restless, or bored even, or maybe just ever so confused as to what was going on, conversation had progressed very quickly and for the younger less experienced ones, it was probably getting quite difficult to keep up, Erica gathered up her papers and looked out across the table.
"Well I thank you all ever so much for your amazing input into this theory. I think eventually we will be able to ALL decide on a theory that is aimed to please everyone but for now it is getting a little late into the day and I'm sure you all have very important work you would like to be getting back to" her eyes drifted over to the clock and then to Amadeus, her Phoenix who was now perching behind a few of the employees, his vibrant colours lightening up the dull exterior. Maybe it was time that this room got a little revamping. "You are all excused, have a good rest of the day and I'll be seeing you some point later on probably, in the work cubicles most likely." The Head flashed a smile at them all, showing that she realy was grateful for their participation.
She looked at the Spirit head, completely straight faced,not a glint of a smile present. She still hadn't got over what he had said to her earlier. "The notes please" she extended her hand to take them off him. "And if you have anything further to say, please feel free to drop into my office later" which was probably more of a demand then it was a suggestion, because she was sure he wanted to know more then she was letting out.
"But of course," he said as he handed over the complete, and rather detailed, notes. His script, as always, had an elegant note to them. It flowed more than his work on the runic circle, which had more precise strokes. "I shall complete today's assignments and stop over." The message was clear: while he respected her, she was low on his priority list.
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The group had lost Nikos when they started to talk about runes. Not only was it not his strongest subject at Hogwarts, but it also reminded him of someone he needed to check up on when this was over with. When Erica finally called the meeting to adjure, he smiled at her as he rose. "That was a good meeting Erica...interesting....but still good." Interesting was a bit of an understatement, but he had other things on his mind and didn't have time to come up with another word. Nodding at the woman and the rest of the workers, he picked up his mug. "Work call me, so I shall see you all later." Another nod at the head and he made his way out of the conference room.
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Violet shifted in her seat regretfully. She lived for these meetings. She loved having a voice, and so she was always rather sad when they were over. "Do you want my notes as well, Erica?" she asked, waving them in one hand.
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