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"Few years?" He raised a brow at Ryanne. "Last I heard, we haven't had an incident like that for a while. Surely the current professors wouldn't allow such a creature to interact with the students. I'll admit, it's been five years since I taught there, and many things have changed, but I didn't think it was that much. I don't know about the cockatrice, myself. But I do seem to recall they had a triwizard tournament recently. Last year, I believe." |
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Violet looked up. "Any creature that is kept as a domestic animal by wizards could be an example used against us about violation of rights. However, an example that I think we should discuss is the phoenix." Violet paused there for a moment, to let her words be processed by the rest of the room. Then she continued. "We know, obviously, that phoenixes are extremely intelligent, and I think that most would argue that they make excellent pets, myself included, but there still might be others that believe that such a magnificent creature should be looked after more closely because of all of the magical properties that it possesses. I am, of course, talking about their feathers, which are used in wands, and their magical healing tears. Now, many people might say that allowing wizards to keep such a beast is a waste of those properties." She paused again, for breath. This time, she decided to stem the onslaught of words that threatened to pour out of her, so that someone could offer their own opinion on phoenixes. Perhaps she was just crazy and no one wanted to include them in this discussion. And anyway, Violet felt that she'd already said too much. It was probably better to just list the example instead of going into some deep explanation like she'd done. Oh well. |
Warren laughed. "That is ridiculous." When he laughed, he did not invite others to join in. His laughter was devoid of any joy or mirth. "Is it not already bad enough that we keep these creatures cloistered away, in the remote corners of the world, away from the eyes of those mundane muggles?" The dark echoes of his laughter faded, and his face took a more pained expression. Rubbing his temples with his fingertips, he felt a storm brewing on the horizon. "We cannot treat these creatures like common farm animals. I--I had a phoenix once..I think?" Taking his hat off his bald head, he reached inside, rummaging for a moment before removing a phoenix feather. Holding the feather betwixt two fingers, he held it up to the light, letting it shimmer. "You cannot take from a phoenix, you can only hope that you are worthy of their gifts.." |
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She then nodded, opening her mouth once more, "I agree wholeheartedly. Merely because creatures like Phoenixes hold marvelous properties means neither that using them is wrong, nor that we have no right to use them. It is a question of how the properties are attained and used, which, already discussed, is impossible to control without creating an entire black market--or a whole OTHER black market--around the issue of magical creatures--not to mention violations of privacy and personal rights. Trying something like that would merely create more headaches for the Ministry--let alone the common people. In attempting to silence these protestors, in restricting the use of these creatures, we would create yet more." |
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"...kaos." She took a pause to think of the rest of the woman's speil, then shook her head. "I'm afraid I must disagree. While I would like to agree; That is not the case. Man-kind--wizard-kind-- is ruthless. If we lived in a society where we took things as they come, that would work, but it is not so. Humankind does not take 'no' for an answer. Most especially when they, as a whole, believe to be superior to anything else out there." She glanced over to the lanky man, thinking that he would've said the same, then back to the woman. "Don't get me wrong--I'm not saying that anyone in this room is that way; I'm not making any personal judgements on anyone. I'm stating a simple fact-- you cannot make people do anything. If they want it, they'll find a way to get it. Wether it be money, power, respect, justice, kaos, or anything else.... People don't take 'no' for an answer." |
"I believe as the saying goes, all locks do is keep the honest people out. Honest people are tempted to get puppies, kittens, and pygmy puffs because the temptation is there to get it, and it's an open temptation. Honest people don't go out of their way to bypass laws and regulations in order to get something. No more than a child may hide a pet from his parents, anyhow. It's the thieves who break into homes, and they do it with or without the locks and spells around the house. That is why there is a black market. It's there for the rapscallions and desperate. We cannot close off the sale of anything without opening its associate in the black market. End of story." He sighed, looking around at his coworkers. "But we seem to go on this carousel infinitely. I think we need to look beyond possession and non-possession and try to get down to brass tacks. Many think the animals are being treated unfairly. We're not the only ones to crop tails, but they don't care about that. We've got the silencing spells on the fwoopers. It had to have taken some careful breeding and experimentation for the pygmy puffs to even exist. And I'm certain there are other things that are still being tested on animals." Then, as something registered, he looked over at Radley. "And we've got a muffliato over our ears. I must ask, why is nothing we talk about good enough? You push us, then pull back, don't you? We have multiple answers, but not one of them is what you're looking for. Come to think of it, I don't even know what we're looking for. If you want a tally, send us back to our desks with a bestiary and we can write up a list for you. But you're not going to get it here." |
Jack listened to everyone and was suprised when many of his colleagues seemed to think the situation is futile. Jack is thinking anything but and to think it is, is to let extremists win. He had some ideas he hoped his colleagues would like. Thus he spoke up and said, "I do not think this situation is futile and to say that is to let extremists win. What I mean by this in the case of fwoopers is that fwoopers have been sold to muggles and wizards alike with silencing charms for over a century. Very few people have a problem with this so to appease these few and hurt hundreds of wizarding families who breed fwoopers for a living is ludicrous in my opinion. As for crups I think we have been looking at the problem all wrong. Muggles fear certain kinds of dogs like pitbulls, boxers, the list goes on and on. I think if we told the muggle prime minister who knows of our kind about crups maybe he could introduce them as a new breed of dangerous dog over their television showing them a picture of a a crup with clipped tail and one without that way muggles will naturally stay away. Muggles have so many species of dog with so many different tails I doubt they would see anything out of the ordinary. So, what do you guys think? |
What was this? Erica had let the discussion progress, only inputting occasional comments when she thought at all necessary. They seemed to be doing perfectly fine without her inputting and driving forward the conversation every five minutes. The parchment was filling with notes that would provide great use in the future, and when they come to decide on what rules they were going to put in place. But then the employees seemed to progress onto Phoenix’s. The Department Heads eyes drifted on over to her own Phoenix, Amadeus, who was perched happily in the corner, overlooking the entire conversation. She saw nothing wrong in the possession of these wonderful creatures. Very few acquired one, and to use their feathers, or in fact parts of any Magical Creatures, wasn’t necessarily wrong. They often provided key ingredients in potions, possessed properties that were incredibly important to the Wizarding World. This was not a subject, Ms Radley was keen on getting in to. As long as the way and the amount of products were maintained and monitored well, there was no need to progress. Well, in her personal opinion anyway. “I thank you all for your input. Everything you’ve said has provided great use to the Department…” she started to talk to the entire table. She was planning on changing the subject. They’d discussed the Fwooper/Crup matter enough now. They’d come up with further species that could be later discussed, it was time to rethink the rules now. ….But the thirty-two year old was interrupted by someone, her Spirit Division head by the looks of it. She turned to him to listen to what he said. His first sentence was enough to bring a frown to her face. Then his latter questioning. Why was nothing they said good enough for her? Her eyes narrowed momentarily. “I do not recall ever saying, what you are telling me isn’t up to my standards” she said firmly, rather shocked by the accusation. “I’m simply trying to push you, I know I can get more out of you and I NEED more” she stated. The Blonde was firm and strict when she needed to be, but she NEVER would she think they weren’t giving her good information. “If you want to leave, then by all means leave the room, but read the front page of the Quibbler and then tell me that this matter isn’t important, or that we shouldn’t be discussing this in here.” Never once did she raise her voice, but her tone was agitated and it was clear that she wasn’t happy by this. It was stressful enough, as her first meeting as the creatures department head. “And if anyone else wants to leave him, by all means do, but I don’t expect you to come back in, nor do I expect your input in this matter” she looked out across the rest of the people within the meeting with her. “But for the people that would like to stay, I would NOW like to discuss the matter of what we can do to change the rules against crups for a start, seeing as this is the issue the hundred or so” yes she said 100+ “protestors are actually, well protesting on” she stated. “I’d like you to come up with on solution each, or if you think we should do nothing then say that” she stated. But a different idea from each would be most welcome. |
Nikos became too distracted with the current topic change to give any responses of his own. How they had gotten on the topic of Phoenixes, he had no idea. But he didn't really have a problem with Phoenixes being kept as pets so long as they weren't being mistreated or misused. And then they got to the topic of black market and other issues that he was sure wasn't important to the meeting at hand. Drago's words had him arching an eyebrow and he turned his attention to the department head, who did a fine job of defending herself. He liked that she wanted to get the most out of them. Nikos had no plans on leaving the meeting, so he simply pulled his coffee mug back towards him and waited for the meeting to continue. "I don't agree with this.... changing a rule because people protest. Even just considering changing the rule bothers me." He tilted his coffee mug inspecting his coffee to see if it was any good. "Yes...I can think of a solution, but what does it say if we bend to the will of protesters? What makes us think that if we grant them this wish, they'll simply go away." His eyes flicked up to meet Erica's. "If we give them this, without doing more than discussing, then they'll just want more." Sighing, a bit frustrated by it all, he ran a hand through his hair. "I'm not saying we should do nothing, just that we should do more than sit here and discuss the mater of changing the law." A part of the Greek man hoped that she did plan on doing more than that, and just hadn't told them yet. |
Good. So one of her Division heads wasn't going to go anywhere. Erica sent a simple yet genuine smile in Nikos' direction, glad that someone was willing to stay and progress with the meeting. "I don't plan on changing the rules for the sake of these protesters. I want to discuss what we can do, and if this means that we ARE giving these protesters their own way, then it doesn't matter, because what some of them are saying could be right" the Department Head stated. "Sometimes it could be best to keep peace, as i've said before, we're not sure of what they're capable of" she was determined to at least listen to the group of 100 strong that were set on their opinions. "And you never know until you try.." she stated. Who was saying that they'd ask for more? They were keeping it peaceful for now, but what if it got worse? Then who would be in the wrong here? "What is your idea? I'm all ears" she stated, leaning forward on the table and looking at him. She was interested, intrigued almost. She wanted a solution from each of them, starting with her beings division head. |
"I never said that the matter was not important, only that the way we're going about it is all wrong. And I never said it wasn't up to your standards, only that no solution we have has been good enough for you. Marked by the fact that each time you shot us down." His voice was as calm as ever, and he never stopped writing. "I never said that we should leave, but that we cannot come up with a list here without the proper research, none of the materials needed being in this room. If you had said, ahead of time, to bring in a list, then it would be easier to discuss. But few of us are going to remember every potentially wronged magical creature off the top of our heads. As I said, if you wanted a list, we need to go research it. If you want solutions, stop shooting us down. Which, you now have finally moved into doing." He looked back up at her. "We do have two stances on it. Either deal with placating the protesters, which yes, are an issue, or deal with them in another manner, or we can think of what's best for the animals. Not that we shouldn't consider what they say, but we must do one or the other. And we have thrown multiple solutions out already. If you wish, I can read over all the ones we have noted so far," he gestured to the parchment he had been writing on, which was now quite long. |
It didn't matter and yet it did at the same time it did, but he wasn't going to press the matter any further than he already had. What she was saying made sense. Some of the protesters could be right. Out of one hundred, it was possible. Nikos had picked up that she was keen on keeping the peace, and he knew that wasn't a bad quality, just something that seemed to also bother him with the current situation. But it also couldn't be argued against. It really wasn't important to the conversation at hand. "I was thinking a disillusionment charm on the spare tail," he stated, pushing his mug forward so he could place his elbow on the table and scratch his cheek thoughtfully. Brown eyes still on the department head. "It would have to be cast daily, just as it is done with the winged horses and hippogriffs, but they would still get to keep the tail, it wouldn't cause the crups any harm, and the muggles would remain ignorant to our existence." It was, in his opinion, the best alternative to removing the tails. "The aggression towards muggles could always be passed off as simple bad behavior, a dog with no training or socialization." |
Ryanne was alittle lost how did it get from one thing to another without her noticing. She had been listening so that could have not been the cause. She listened to the department head, she was the most important person to listen to at the moment. She reached out for her coffee and nearly knocked it over, that would have not been a good move. She pulled it close and held it cto her as she took some notes on her parachment. She set the pen down and took a sip of her coffee. What would she do with out that? She looked back at the department head, "What if we found some way to mend the tails together permantently?" She said. "In the muggle world they use stiches to mend things on humans. It could work for the crups too. This would mend thier tails and they would look normal forever." She said taking a breathe. She hadnt realy figured out a fixer for the behavioral issue but some of the other co-workers had some good ideas "As for the behavioral issue, Nikos has a good idea to blame it on non training." she looked to Niko and gave him a nod |
"Mending the tails together may be as painful a process, or worse," Drago said with a sigh. "Using muggle techniques would certainly be cruel, and what kind of pain do you think it would cause to use magic to meld flesh to flesh? Or worse, to prevent x-rays from revealing the skeletal structure of the second tail, bone to bone? I don't know about you, but that sounds excruciating. And while it may look normal to muggles, it's still abnormal for the crups. The second tail may as well be cut off. The 'non-training' wouldn't be good either. Any dog in the muggle world which attacks a human is subject to rabies and temperament testing, and is put down if it does not pass either one." He looked over at Nikos, remembering the idea had been mentioned before, just as a collar. "That wouldn't be a bad idea, but if the charm has to be cast every day, what happens if the dog gets out and gets lost? What to do then? If the charm wears off, you still have a potentially dangerous two-tailed dog out there." |
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His eye settled on Drago as he rocked back in his chair, scratching his lightly stubbled chin thoughtfully. "If the creature continues to escape, and it is of absolutely no fault of the owner, then that's a different story. Though those cases are rare." He reminded the man, the owners had to hold some responsibility. Nikos remained quiet for a while, considering the division head's suggestion. "That sounds due able.....but it also sounds complicated. Not all wizards are skilled enough to know how to place wards on their home that would keep crups contained and still allow humans to pass through." |
"I would think very few would, actually. Which would mean someone would have to figure out the wards and put it up. Other option would be muggle means, but I hate to go in that direction." He shuddered slightly. "As for escaping without fault to the owner, it happens all the time. Nearly as often as animals find their way indoors." |
Warren was beginning to find these arguments rather circular, and tiresome. Twisting the phoenix feather between his fingers for a moment, he then blew on it, letting the pinion take flight, lazily drifting through the meeting room. "There seems to be no cure-all for our woes. What will placate one, will infuriate another. If they want their pets to be near muggles, then they have to adhere to the laws that are in place. These protestors do not know what they are fighting for. And I use the term "fighting" in the loosest sense of the word. They will eventually find a big league quidditch match, or some undeserving celebrity, to occupy their limited attention spans with." He spoke with equal parts disdain and boredom. |
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"Well to the x-ray. Several people have multiple bones in thier body. If the second bone in the tail is found then you could say it was just a extra set of bones. If the crups get caught up in traffic or found by a bigger animal then more alikely it wouldnt make it." She knew that from working as a volunteer in many shelters and animal hospitals in the muggle world. "How do you supose we keep them out of the muggle world then, since it seems you have all the anwsers." Quote:
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"Second of all, I believe I already mentioned the warding, or even finding possible muggle methods of keeping a crup on a property. There are places where there are cat leash laws and I've heard of some people who keep foxes. These creatures are natural escape artists. Surely someone has thought about ways to keep them within safe parameters, and are even possibly willing to market it." Quote:
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A counter on something that wasnt for him figures. "So what happens if they just disreguard the problem that they cannot control there pets? What if they become the protestors after we take away there pet?" she was just asking not rudely but she really wanted infromation and this way they could resovle the problem at hand |
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