I wish my ankle felt better because I would love to get into this discussion with more depth, but alas... So I will say this... I think they will suffer the same problems. One major theme in the book is love, and how Voldemort can't, and it's the greatest weapon... Harry and Ginny apart will do more harm than good imo.

very good point Tao! Harry can love and Voldemort sees it as a weekeness!

I totally agree. Love is what holds this book together, I think hope is a central theme also. Since the beginning of the book, with the hope of a destroyed Voldemort to the hope of more love in the world, like with Bill and Fleur's life together, a new beginning.

A scary thought is Ginny sacrificing herself for Harry, I know she would. But, what would be stronger. His mother sacrificed herself and in a way the L/J relationship reflects H/G. I mean I could almost see Harry living out his life as a single chap. It could happen.

I agree that loves is what holds the books together, but I think that maybe there should be more love, really more love. I think more couples should show up and the kids should start doing stuff that there age does, but I dont know if that is what J.K. wants to do.

I think ending should end with one of the greatest signs of life: a baby. A child born in a world rid of evil and chaos. One evil life ends (Voldemort) and a pure life begins. That would be just a perfect ending. The question is who should have the child??? Fleur and Bill? Tonks and Lupin? Not only would this child be loved, but would also resemble a sign of hope.

Wow, I never thought of that. That would be a great ending, I like it alot. I think maybe Tonks and Lupin should have the baby or even maybe Hagrid and Madame Maxine. I just want to see if this was going to happen, the whole baby thing, I think that the baby should be a godson to Harry Potter.

Excellent analysing everyone, it's really interesting to see what will come of the break-up. It does explain more reasoning behind why she brought L/T together.

Something interesting I noticed while re-reading was what Harry thought before breaking up with Ginny, this was quoted before but here is an interesting spin on things. Page 602, English publication:
Which makes you wonder, why did Dumbledore's death make him relise that he couldn't be with Ginny? The moments after Dumbledore's death was... he ran downstairs, he stopped chasing Snape and Malfoy to help Ginny fight the Death Eaters, he ran down to the grounds, he attacked Snape, he helped Hagrid put the fire out, he returned to Dumbledore's body and cried. Then he refused to move from Dumbledore's side even though Hagrid was begging him too, then Ginny came and comforted him and walked in each others arms. Interesting, so we are lead to believe that Harry broke up with her because if she wasn't there to distract him then he would have been able to atleast stop Malfoy and Snape inside the castle, where the Hufflepuff student's would have been able to help. So she is a distraction? But then again she was the only one that made him feel good enough to leave Dumbledore's body.
Exactly, she was the one who made him stop dwelling over Dumbledore's fallen body. She was the only one who got through to him, it is pretty foolish to throw away something so powerful, isn't it? It's interesting, she played as a distraction, when in essence she was the only thing strong enough to bring him to the light, if you will.

So, what am I rambling on about? Instead of breaking up with her because he cared more for her safety then stopping Snape, he broke up with her because he understood how powerful and manipulation she was. Wise and foolish move, Mr Potter.

Totaly agree, Tao. I know that Harry wanted Ginny to be safe and didn't want to be killed. But Harry as every one said forget some thing important. Love is the weapon as I think which will help Harry to kill Voldemort himself. And he just broke apart with Ginny..His love and as I think the most one he loves. It will make harm indeed. So, Ginny will appear again in the book..most poweful as Rowling said that we will discover how Ginny is powerful as I remember. Ginny must appear because she have the love.
That's what in my mind too. What if Ginny dies for Harry. Every time I think in that, I feel sad. I waited for H/G romance long time then in the end Ginny dies.I know that is the most powerful love..is to die for your lover..but I won't bear to see that in the books. Harry when he was kid, no body gave him love. He was always alone and now when he find his true love..Ginny, She died.
It's indeed wise and foolish move. But this foolish move won't last because Ginny will join him in the end. She must and he won't do noting to stop her.
Yeah! Totaly agree......
I love arguing-then-loving couples. Hermione and Ron will argue of course because every one of them has his point of view which is different from the other. Hermione's character is totaly not like Ron's character. But they share in some things. The most one is Love. Not because Ron isn't smart like Hermione or isn't a champion like Harry and Krum so he has no right to love Hermione. No, I think that because these differences in Ron's charcater than Hermione's one, Hermione loved him. Hermione didn't want a champion or a hero. She simply liked Ron's character and loved his qualities. She didn't see that he didn't do a home work or any thing like that. I heard some say that Ron is not smart or a hero so Hermione shouldn't love him. They say Hermione must love some one like Harry or Krum because she is smart and deserves one like them. Of course, I don't agree with this. Hermione is really smart and because of that she looked into the charcter and she chose Ron because of his charcater. No thing else.

True! My mom is a chemistry professor but her first husband was a P.E. coach which proves smart people can fall in love with not-so-brainy people! *Ron looks offended Awwwww...pats Ron's head*

Though it was my mom's first husband which is beside the point, I have no doubt Hermione will completly love Ron... no matter what celebrity or hero prances around her. *Johnnie Deep comes in and Hermione rolls her eyes and continues to talk to Ron like he's the only one in the world*

That's the beauty of the R/Hr relationship! She accepts Ron for the way he is! ..the way he makes her laugh...his commitment to his friends...she even loves him when everyone knows he's poor. She doesn't care. I love the idea of love not having to do anything with money! So much of it is these days....*sigh* I least I can escape society in a Harry Potter book.

That's how you seperate the children from the more mature people. Younger people are going to think that brains + brains = love, while us slightly more aware realize that love comes in all shapes and sizes. It's all about the chemistry. It's all about the person. The best quote is a Buffy quote, by Spike, but I can't think of it. It was something like, "Love isn't brains, it's guts." I know the first part is right, but I can't think if the second one is. But in any case, the point is, love doesn't take brains, it takes your heart... that's what it's all about. One day they'll see... when they fall in love and be with a person who may not complement them on every level.

I was just looking through some old pre-HBP threads and things and I thought I should raise this...
Valentine's Day '05-- It was the release of the famous 'Harry Loved <?>' picture. I thought it was funny, guess I was right in guessing it was 'Ginny'! I wonder if they actually ever did have her name written underneath it, or if it was just a '?'.

Oh, I remember that! And I actually thought of that when Harry started having feelings for Ginny. I know so many people insisted it was Hermione by the curved letter, but it would be so off that it was ridiculous (because the curve we saw would imply the 'o' in Hermione). Most everyone had figured it Ginny... but then everyone was like, and I think everyone who refused to hear it would be Ginny, "Oh, it's fake. It means nothing." Heh. Guess some people have to eat their words.

I think Ginny and Harry are so good for each other because they both have that type of determination. Ginny's so...I don't know...prefect for Harry. She's different from all the other girls...dynamic.

As for Lupin and Tonks, I think they're so adorable. It's so cute how Tonks wants Lupin. Being the careful and pondering one, Lupin doesn't know what to do. I hope they get married in the end!

Ron and Hermione are cute too, but they're always quarreling! It makes it interesting, at least.

I forgot all about it until I saw a picture of it in an archive! Ah yes, I remember the deep analysis into how it could possibly stand for Pansy Parkinson, it's halarious to remember how crazy we got during that war. Also Arthur Levine, US Publisher, had the famous quote "Love is in the Air" and it meant 'Air = Quidditch = H/G First kiss'!

Lol, JK thinks so too! Go H/G!

Very slow in here, huh?

OMG I remember that and how much everyone was dissecting that! He also said something like "Harry gets a little love this year..." and we were all thinking 'little' has to mean H/G. *sigh*...

LOL I love those little things where in hindsight it might've meant something. I mean, I always thought when they were on CNN and the reporter asked about R/Hr finally getting together and Levine was like, "That's an interesting question... you'll have to wait and see," that it meant something because it seemed to me the questions were asked on purpose. Ottery - *cough* - thought I was crazy, but in hindsight, I think I was onto something. No, they didn't get together, but it was made obvious on what they feel for each other - and it did settle the ship wars.

SO there is a big possiblity for Giiny to turn up for the last battle between Harry and Voldemort. I've always noticed that nobody in Harry's inner circle like Weasley's and Hermione apart from DD have ever seen Voldemort. Maybe this battle will be the one where the trio will encounter Voldemort together and Im sure Ginny will come and bravely face the DARK LORD which will really benefit Harry!!

many people have said that ginny/harry was totally out of the blue. it wasn't. in the second you can pay attention to the detail she uses to discribe ginny. it was foreshadowing some sort of relationship. and for ron/hermione they did argue alot but that is what was so funny about it. they were both trying their hardest to make the other envy them since they are too prideful to admit to each other and to themselves that they love each other. draco/pansy well of course is all i could say. remus/tonks fifth book mentioned something about it and i found that my suspisions were correct when they got together in the halfblood prince. now all that is left is neiville/luna. i know most don't see it but both are mentioned more and more in the stories. you know they seem to be more into the inner circle so JKR has to have something big planned for them

JK Rowling said that there will be nothing between Neville and Luna

It is kinda slow here.....hm..we need something more to talk about....

So, do y'all think the wedding will be nice and cozy or will it be a "diaster" aka ATTACKS? *ahhh! ...uses Ottery as a shield..& he becomes annoyed at the fact that Nargles interuppts his deep convo with Ron; nevertheless, Ottery gives the puppy-dog eyes to Death Eaters*

I think it'll be like the calm before the storm. A little break for Harry and the gang. When do y'all think R/Hr will get together? Maybe the middle or end....the wedding's too early...hm... But the real question I want answered is how. I want to now every single little word!

I wonder if Ron will say it or Hermione...or maybe it'll just happen...

I hope the wedding is a calm before the storm. Just something simple and beautiful. Reminding everyone that love is important.

And I think R/Hr will happen at the end. I think the wedding will end up... well, I like whoever had the idea of Fleur inviting Krum (I think it may have been Emma lol) thinking it be good for Hermione, only for her to accompany Ron (maybe not a date per se, but something close enough) and then Viktor comes in and is all like "Hermione!" and Ron gets all jealous and there is some tension, thus putting off the relationship just awhile longer... not enough to get Ron mad, but just pushing the relationship back and by the time the wedding is over, the trio have to set out on their journey and not allowing them to work on their romantic relationship. So that leaves the end... when the battle is going on and they're clutching each other and Ron spills his guts... all Ron. And thus it's that type of emotion, in front of Voldemort, that helps do him in.

OMG Fleur should definitely invite Viktor, it would be so great. I would love to see how J.K. would write Ron's reaction, I'm sure it would be hilarious! And I know everyone would want this peaceful wedding, but what if it didn't turn out that way, not because Death Eaters or Voldemort interrupts, but because Viktor and Ron get into this huge font in the middle of the whole thing. Ooh, brilliant, I love the idea of Viktor being at the wedding!

I wrote about Krum coming to the wedding in my fic (see siggy!) and it functions to add more tension between Ronmione. I think that in the seventh book they are going to be functioning as an unofficial couple. Holding hands and hanging off of each other a lot, but not actually make it official or kiss or anything.
And when they face Voldemort he will defend her and she'll be all "OMG! RON! You're so great!" and all that stuff. And then in a moment of passion they kiss, then relise Harry is about to be killed by Voldemort. The 'you'll have to kill us too!' line will come to haunt us all and Ron and Hermione jump infront to protect Harry, holding each other's hands and then their love for each other protects them. Aww...
<Ronmione!
<Choco-lovers!

Eeee!!!! Just as long as they don't die in that scenario... LOL We've all waited far too long for R/Hr for that happen.

Hey all! I was feeling in the shipping mood so...

I'v just finished reading some nice post HBP fics about how R/Hr will get together. I'm thinking either at the very start of the book, or the very end. I hope its the start, because I dont think I cant stand more waiting! *points cannons at JKR* She better hurry it up!

But I think its a good thing she waited for the last book to get them together. Because if she had them together in the last one, something tells me it wouldn't have lasted long, like Harry and Ginny. But when they get together now, I think it'll be 4 ever.

Hey! Remember way back when when I said that another ball would be the perfect place for R/Hr to get togehter? Some of u said no to another ball? Well, in a sence, I was correct. With Slughorn's party and all? So I was right! Mwaaa! But of course, R/Hr didn't get together...

Interesting. Not a bad idea, but I dont like the Krum part. I really dont want R/hr to fight again. Especially over Krum. Again.

Too dramatic. And not JKR's style. But good idea for a fic.

Amen!!

Anyway, Trees forever, Chocolate forever! *fires cannons* Now I'm off to read Will's fic!