Can't stop Laughing. Good one, Dainsie.
May be..but if no one of them die.
Don't be so sure. We don't know if Harry or Ginny will live or not. Yeah! Harry will be angry if he knew that Ginny was kidnaped but Will his anger makes him do any thing crazy to get Ginny or what??...Ginny will of course join at the battle. She is a brave girl and she will insist on going as she done at the ministry.

hmmm, Im not really sure Voldie will go for Ginny.
Yes, Voldemort's going to play at any weakness of Harry's but I dont think he's that stupid as to try and provoke this weakness again.
Voldemorts has already lured Harry with a loved one and Harry has since grown. He has realised that this is a weakness and has learned more of Voldemorts cunning ways and Voldie himself would have realised, that to try and pull this 'stunt' off again, would be very hard. I think Voldemort will try something new and unexpected.

I dont think that Harry is trying to dissuade Voldemort as such.
I think that Harry deciding to go on hiatus with Ginny is just him watching out for Voldemort and trying to lay low, because this he wants to be the one that lures Voldie in a trap.
Also, I think it shows that he finally, fully realises what he has to do, now that Dumbledore is gone. He is now going out on his own, searching for horcruxes and it has dawned on him that he is about to go face to face with Voldie for the last time, very soon, so basically he just doesnt have time for Ginny as he is focused on the 'saving the world' thing.

They're one in the same thing. Keeping Ginny off the Voldy radar. It's naive to think it'll work but then again 16 y/o's aren't fully matured so I suppose I can't blame him for thinking it'll work. Which, as we all know, it won't. Spiderman, anyone? lmao.

As Jo said, what's life without a little romance? There's no such thing as having no time, in a relationship, just whether you make the effort to make that time up.

aah, so very true, but as you said, he's 16 and doesnt know any better. He's trying to do the best job he can and from what he's learnt, Voldemort knows that its his weakness.

I think theyre break is imature and it relates a lot to Lupin (I wrote a whole FF on their relationship and how stupid he was). Maybe in the next book Lupin and Tonks can talk some sense into him

Ginpotter are you really doubtful about that? *gaspes* I don't believe.



There is a difference between Ginny joining the battle and Ginny is the key of the battle, I think. So what I expect is the second option.

the whole H\G fiasco at the end of hbp was pointless. cos voldy will know harry cares for ginny(news always gets to him one way or another) and he will use her to get to harry.so the whole thing was pointless and rather movie-ish.

OMG! You kiddies have been busy *rolls up sleeves* Okay time to get serious.
T: Don't you mean dangerous?
O: *Ottery puts on his parachute* What? Do I look like an idiot? *Puts on battle armor*

First, the important issues. Dainsie, you live in Australia???? And of course you all don't eat llamas, they're native to South America... but Will does...

Secondly, Emma stop with the Spiderman comparison please *begs* I can assure JKR most likely was not inspired by this movie...heroes leaving their love behind to go off and fight has a long precedent in literature *ahem, deftly avoids the Lotr referrence* because that would be just as bad.

Thirdly, fiasco is a strong word, and movie ish *laughs, then pets* books have been around waaaaaaaaaaaaay longer than movies, and I can assure you, anything a movie does, a book likely inspired it...yes, even the martians...and JKR is never pointless.

Now down to love...

A wise man knows that if it worked the first time there's no reason not to think it won't work again. Go on, turn on your tv see if it doesn't work. So Voldemort would try taking Ginny, and I would like to point out he's never gone after Ginny, it was Lucius who picked her for her innocence *fires the cannons* and naivete when he gave her the book and Tom wasn't in a position to be picky now was he? Wouldn't it be funny if say we kept with the same motif, but instead a more mature and grown up Ginny handled herself better? Then she goes off to join Harry.

Just a thought.

Just because Voldemort sends someone after Harry's loved one's doesn't mean they would succeed, and technically Voldemort has never done that, he is after Harry. He knows Harry's weakness, and why would it change, and why not exploit it again?

Harry loves Ginny, it's a weakness...To Voldemort...it's really Harry's strenght.

Poor Mrs. Weasley, and 8th Weasley? LOL

I think T/L will live and have pink haired werewolf babies...yes, it's one of my recurring themes.

Ron and Hermione is soooooooooooooooooooooo going to happen, the question is now, how. I say Ron kisses her to shut Hermione up...it would be soooooooooooo cute...you know Hermione's being all "I told you...blah, blah, blah" and Ron's all "I think I love this girl" *insert smoochie and of course Harry has to turn away or walks in on the smoochies* This is out in the woods on a lovely summer night under a full moon...

The H/G reunion I think will be like I said before: *Harry spots Ginny and rushes to her and she rushes to him and then slaps him* Ginny: You dork, they still came after me. Harry: Yeah well, I'm a boy we're not that smart about love, and y'know...what would the guys say...*looking at the ground* and then of course Ginny kisses him and Ron and Hermione have to look away...

*shrugs* Love's funny.

But it's downright hilarious if you think I'm going to ship anything with Snape.

I agree with you. I don't think Voldemort will go for Ginny again...well, let's hope not, cause quite honestly, that would just be boring. It's been done, we don't need to see it again. I will also be quite dissappointed if Ginny joins the battle. Urgh! No, I'd rather it just be the trio, like it use to be...and than, I guess at the end it'd have to be down to just Harry and Voldemort.

Another thing, I reallly don't think that Harry's in love with Ginny; that's a bit too far. Not to say that it doesn't have the potential to turn into love...but I think that's too strong a word. An also, I've heard theories about how Ginny is basically the key to defeating Voldemort, because of the 'love' between her and Harry. Pfffft! I doubt it! J.K Rowling would have developed Ginny's character a whole lot more if that was to happen. I think the key to defeating Voldemort is possible the love surrounding Harry as a whole...example, the love he shares for his friends, the love his parents, Sirius and Dumbledore had for him etc. Not just the 'love' he has for his girlfriend...how laaaaaame! haha!

Exactly, it wouldn't surprise me if there are negitive side effects from the break up. Jo likes to show things that come up as important later, so I wouldn't be surprised if either Harry or Ginny will end up lovesick like Tonks, and their powers will be heavily effected by it.

Love it or hate it, Ginny's going to have a large role in the last book. HBP built up her character for great importance, and Jo said we would see Ginny's abnormally strong powers in the last book as a result of her being the seventh child. I think Neville, Ginny and Luna will join the trio on the Horcrux hunt later on in the book.

Nah, I think he does love her. Everything seems to point to that, he cares for her deeply and if he isn't inlove now, then he will be.

I'm a HUGE H/G, and even I know that the love that will save Harry is that of Ron and Hermione. I doubt Ginny will be the one with the love that saves Harry in killing Voldemort, her role will most probably be in helping Harry moving on. I think she will bring him back from the edge of darkness of self-hate.

lol..Jo killed Cedric, Sirius and DD, remeber,OdiSSe. I don't know what will happen. I really wish that neither Harry nor Ginny dies but I can't say I'm sure.. ( Ginpotter is evil )
Harry is in love with Ginny and the evidence is HBP. Harry wasn't in love with Cho but he found the true love with Ginny. Ginny fits him and he needs her. She understood him and he also understood her. They are made for each other.
Ginny will be a big part of Harry's love that will defeat Voldemort. Harry loves Ginny sooooo much and she as well. Ginny will be the key that will open all what inside Harry of love. All the kinds but her love will be the first and the most important.

I agree, I think (at least I hope) that Harry and Ginny will stay together, because anyway I think that Harry is much stronger if he knows that he has Ginny at his side.

thats so cuuuuute hope it happens just like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's not my fault there's a direct parrallel but it's not just solely used in Spiderman and HBP, it's actually very common, so you do have a point. But still, he did a Peter Parker because that's the most recent significant re-use of the technique =P

See, to me, that doesn't sound like something J.K Rowling would do. It may sound 'cute', but let's remember that it isn't a romance novel! The love that Dumbledore described to Harry as being the key to defeating Voldemort was not mushy, fickle teenage 'love', but a much deeper love that I think Harry still doesn't quite understand yet. I mean, look at the love that Lily had for Harry - she died to save him! It was such a powerful thing! So for the books to end with Harry's 'love' for a girlfriend being the key to defeating Voldemort? It just doesn't seem as such a powerful message.

I do see the parallels, dorky boy with glasses breaks up with red-headed girlfriend at the funeral of mentor to keep her safe from his enemies. But we all know Jo planned this well before Spiderman the movie was even in production. And I do believe it was very different in the comic book.

Yes, very true. But you can't deny that Ginny and her romance with Harry is going to be crutial with the plot of book seven. Jo spent a lot of book six building up the H/G romance and she said many times that mostly everything in HBP is leading onto something in book seven.
I think that one of the modcasts on Pottercast (subscribe through iTunes today, lol) got very close to finally verbalising my thoughts on Ginny's role in the final book. She has always been described as emboding light, her hair is bright red, she had a 'blazing' look on her face, Harry noted the fire reflecting in her eyes, Harry noted her face like the setting sun, etc. Therefore I see Ginny as being that light in the darkest of times, that force that brings Harry back from the ultimate sin of killing and making him feel the right to live a happy life. I like that and will be content with that. However, Jo did say, and I repeat, that Ginny's power and role as the seventh child will come into play in the final book. So, maybe her love will hold some role.

A theory I have read, but hate, is that if Ron dies to save Harry then Harry could be protected. Now, I love Ron and don't want him to die. But if this happens then Harry will need to call home the place where Weasley blood dwells, hence marrying Ginny and living with her to be protected from the Death Eaters. But I don't want JK to kill Ron and if she does then... I will PWND Voldemort so bad.

I don't think the romance was that built up...I hate comparing the two, but Harry and Cho's relationship built up over three books!

I still don't understand that, if J.K Rowling had been planning for Ginny to play such a crutial role in the last book, why was it that she only really started developing her character in OotP? It just doesn't make sense. And as a reader, I feel that Ginny's character is still very undeveloped. I think that Ginny will of course play a role in the last book, but more in the way her, Neville and Luna did in the 5th.

I think that quote is sometimes blown out of context.

J.K Rowling:
This strikes me as the same kind of quote that J.K Rowling once made about Harry's parents, and how we'd find out more about them in OotP. I remember on heaps of websites there were all these theories about what we'd find out about them, and everyone had all these big expectations; and than, all we really got out of it was that James was rather arrogant and up himself, and Lily loathed him. I don't think it's a hint that Ginny's going to play a crutial role in book seven in that she's the key to defeating Voldemort. Similiar to what I said early, to me, it seems as though it was hinting at a DoM style role she had in OotP.

I didn't say that All Harry loves is Ginny or all the love is Ginny's love. What I said is that Ginny is a big part of that love that included lots. See, Harry loved all the people, his friends, his parents, DD and...and..and... Not only Ginny. May be Ginny will be the key but she isn't the all love.

Right. I see this theory in all the heros. Not only Spiderman and Harry. The hero loves a girl but his enemies alot or dangrous and he sacrifces by his love to make sure that his girl won't hurt. This is an old story all the heros do it with their girl friends and that makes me ask which hero didn't do that?? Stupid Harry.

Is it just me, or is it tense in here ... ?

I find this topic very frustrating as there are so many posibilities and everyone has their own opinions and its very hard to peice together even an idea, so Im just going to quote people and say what I think.

no ... no, we dont ... thats actually quit disturbing.

We share the same idea!

hee hee, That would be so cute!!
Ron: *looks around for Lupin ... nope, no sign. Back to snogging*

hmmm, This ones a hard one to explain. Yes, I think love is a too strong word because I think he's too young and has only been with her for a short while. BUT (before people start flaming me) I think he feels the closest thing to love that he can, it's just saying 'love' itself just seems too strong and forward at this point.

yes, Im posting again because fro some reason it posted before I had finished quoting.

yep, agree with you there.

I agree with this, but I still think that saying 'love' at this point is too strong.

Maybe theres something in that (the way Ginny is always described). And yes, I think that there is definaltely going to be something happening with Ginny in the seventh book.

Very interesting idea ... although I cant bring it upon myself the idea of Ron dying, its too sad and very out-there. 'PWND' ... I am confused?

I think you're forgeting that Ginny has liked Harry ever since she met him so it was built up. Just because we never really heard much about it in all the books between, doesn't mean she stopped likeing him. I think, Harry, being hopeless with girls, was too young in his second year to think about it, then as he got older Ginny seemed to lose interest in him, so he turned his interests to Cho, then he started noticing Ginny with other guys and what he hadn't realised for the past 4 years, snuck up on him.

as for the theory that ron dies in order to save harry and blah blah......
i have only one word for that
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
that CANNOT happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and anyways i think that could apply only for relatives right or just any kind of relationship which bonds people with love?????????

i hope that ron and hermione stay togheter as a couple, beside in real life thats never gonna happen, i read that daniel said that he is inlove with emma

H/G has been built up for six books. Book one through to four she showed Ginny's character in romantic connatations, her crush showed her as a girl. However, if you read between the lines you could see the real Ginny with a good sense of humour and a high self confidence. Her and Harry often had moments where their eyes met and they both exchanged a private joke, now and then we would be reminded of Ginny's crush on Harry and the reader would eventually grow to see a sweet girl with a crush. Book 2, however, was practically a H/G story. Harry saved Ginny from Tom Riddle and the Basalisk, the whole story an allegory of St George and Dragon (as noted by Kloves from his conversations with JKR). The H/G relationship was well set up in the first four books, the hints there if you where (to use the Harmonians word) intellectual enough to pick them up.
Ginny was overshadowed in the first four books because if she wasn't then Harry would have developed feelings for his "ideal girl" too early in the series. He would never have gotten a chance to learn how to deal with girls. So he was given Cho as a test run. Harry had Cho, Ron had Lav-Lav and Hermione had Krum.
Come book five Ginny's character was suddenly revealed and Harry's subconscious feelings began to take speed. He noticed her more often, he felt happier when she was around and, at one point, something stirred inside him when he simply looked at her. Ginny was no longer over shadowed and suddenly she was very desirable. She had always been a presence with romantic connatations and who had always brought happiness to Harry.
Ginny is a well developed character, the issue being that some readers choose to 'resistant read' Ginny, as a direct result failed to see the character developing between the lines.
The irony being that a certain low percentile of fandom that had no literal comments on Ginny pre-HBP now suddenly think she is tragically under-developed, ironically this is post-HBP, the book she just happens to become the love interest. Also ironically the same thing happened to Cho Chang post-OotP. What are the odds, huh?

*Ottery walks in with the recipe for love* Anyone want chocolate pie?

*looks over posts* Okay, I agree with everything Will said...even if I don't...yes I caught that little bit about Ron maybe dying...*yawns* you all are sooooooooooooo young... Don't take life too seriously kids...no one gets out alive... [/Ottery talk] That translates to Ron will not die. *fires the cannons and glomps Ron and covers him with smoochies*

I'd agree with everything Ginpotter says except she said this:

Because you're not evil Ginpotter...and because *Ottery parries and the sword flies from Gin's hands* Mwahahahaha, you make my point brilliantly, in all six books JKR has only ever killed three main hero characters...sure the bad guys always die at the end and Quirrel was a patsy...but c'mon...more people were dead in the first war than in this one...I thought for sure BOok 6 wOuld Open the floOdgates tO a blOod bath...uhm...no. I don't see it happening in boOk 7 because it wOuld be toO cOntrived and bad, killing everyone in the last battle, c'mon, now that's a cliche...nah...and nO Hagrid isn't gOing tO die and nOt just because I lOve him.

Which brings me tO this argument:

With all due respect, it's mushy to you, and I think Jo made it pretty clear, Harry's a man now, he's taken on the mantle of his adulthood and he's off to do his duty...at least that's what I got at the end of the book...and it's paralleled in Ginny's unemotional farewell...she didn't cause a scene she did the mature thing and she let Harry go. *mumbles* I hope she tears into him in book 7 though...*ahem* I mean that deeper love you're speaking off could easily be H/G [and that's what I think] which even if it's not...is still a part of that...the key I think. *fires the cannons*

Romance novel or not...it's the most obvious love there is out there. Two people for each other, a binding union...it's what MOST books, songs, and pretty much everything important is about. Hence, why shipping threads are such popular places. However you feel about romance...everyone feels something about it, because the majority of what's being written is about it. Be it tragic, comic, or heroic.

Thank you...me too... Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

You're always right Ems...do you do it out of spite? *madglomps* I like smart women *flirts*

I wouldn't worry too much Beav. Well when I thought you Aussies ate llamas I was a little worried...I mean the export tax on something like that...or maybe they'd be home grown? I mean we've got Ostriches in Texas...*Dainsie glares at Ottery* I mean I totally ship Buckbeak/Giant Squid...uhm...is bucky a boy or a girl? Ditto the squid...

Not too worry, just hang on to me kid, follow my lead, I'm always right...

Everyone Crash Positions...Ottery rant time:

Love's Funny (yes that's like my catchphrase...see recurring theme here)

Harry Potter is all about love. *fires the cannons* Yes, it's about all the different kinds of love a person can have, Harry's for his mentor (tell me you didn't cry...go on *sniffles*), Harry's for the Weasley's (his family), Harry's for his lost parents (his gone family), and most importantly, and obviously Harry's for Ginny (the most important romance). Seriously, if not for the movies EVERYONE would have seen R/Hr coming and thus not have focused obsessively on that one...*sighs* I love R/Hr but it hogged the spotlight unintentionally.

H/G is important that's why it's there, and it is important because that's another kind of love, why wouldn't that love be present, it's the key...it's the only reason I watch Smallville...oops...I mean it's at the core of most stories. The romantic love, not the patriotic love or the "gee's Ron you're a swell pal" love. Swell pal or not, it was Ginny he kept from danger...not Ron/Hermione, and yes you can argue that he couldn't stop them...but *parries* who said he's done that with Ginny?

It's H/G forever...and I really do think Ginny will play a major role, but sadly...theaussiebillywig you make a very good point. Especially when she said Krum would be coming back and in essence he did in HBP...because I suspect Krum isn't R.A.B. unless Ems is right *sighs in surrender* and he shows up to the wedding...in which case Ron better be holding Hermione's hand or kissing her or something...Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh...

Love's funny...so's life...Ron isn't going to die, and it will be H/G Forever and not just cuz it's cute.*fires the cannons*

Too me, book one to four showed Ginny with a crush on the famous 'boy who lived'. I don't recall her having a good sense of humour or high self confidence, either, considering she rarely spoke. When did her and Harry have moments? When did they exchange private jokes?

Hahahaha! So not only are H/Hr's labelled as being delusional and militant...now we are also unintelligent!

I wouldn't say that happened from book five, more like book six.

I would say people didn't have literal comments on Ginny pre-HBP because she was barely in the books. I'm assuming that a lot of people, including myself, saw her as simply a kind of background character; she's mentioned every now and than, but you don't take much note of her.

Ginny caught Harry's eye and they both turned away to hide their laughter as Percy strode over to a girl with long, curly hair, walking with his chest thrown out so that she couldn't miss his shiny badge.
-- Prisoner of Azkaban, Chapter 5. That's the only joke I can find as I read it two days ago, I can't be bothered searching for the others, but they are there. I do recall in OotP where Harry whispered a joke to Ginny in the Hospital when they see Lockhart, and they start laughing together, and then at the end Ginny says a joke in the Hospital Wing and catches Harry's eye and they both laugh.


Not at all, I was making a point from a comment that is famous in fandom from the H/Hr's. They use to claim that they where intellectual enough to see clues the rest of us where too stupid to see. Emerson took particular offense to this, hence why he later made the delusional remark in the interview and commented on it on his website.

Well, in that case I think someone needs to pull out their copy of OotP and re-read a certain scene in 'Careers Advice' in which Harry looks at Ginny and something begins to stir inside him...

Like Regulus Black, how dreadfully under-developed he is, he better not be RAB or fandom will implode, and Sirius, why he was only just mentioned, and then what about Luna then? Ginny has had 5 times the screen time of Luna pre-HBP, and yet no one claims she is under-developed and they stood as equals in the battle of the DoM. And considering as you don't recall several scenes involving Ginny (as shown in this post alone) then it doesn't surprise me that you find her under-developed because you have seemed to ignore her.

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