If you all remember well, Harry and Remus had quite the little fight in Chapter 11. Remus wanted to come along and Harry started getting nasty. Do you think that Harry was right in what he said? Or should he have let Remus come with the trio?

That fight made me mad, i thought for a moment that harry was was using voldemort's anger. I wasn't sure what was going on. But then, when lupin went back to tonk's i was soo happy. Lupin loved harry so much, he made him the godfather i think they had an amazing relationship, there was soo much love shared between them, just like there had been with Sirius and harry, and the murauders.

I think Harry was pretty justified in his anger at Lupin. I don't know... I'm still sorting out how I feel about Lupin's character development in DH. Remus used to be my second favorite character, but I think I'll need to read DH a few more times before I decide if that still holds. It seemed like for most of the book Lupin was under the Imperius Curse. He definitely did not seem himself. Harry may have stepped a little over the line, but Tonks WANTED to be with Lupin... leaving her when she was pregnant would just have been cowardly. She understood what she was getting into, and she was okay with it.

I think Harry was so much more than right. Remus had no right to walk out on his FAMILY for Harry!!!!! Harry was right, James woulld've wanted him to stay with Tonks and protect little Teddy <333 It was so sad how it all ended

Harry was simply trying to get Remus to go back to Tonks. I think Remus worked that out later, and he sorta 'apologised' for his silliness by asking Harry to be godfather.

I also saw Remus as next in the line of 'Harry father figures'. After Sirius, then Dumbledore, I thought Remus was next in the line. That's pretty much why I predicted his death before this book came out. I sorta knew Harry had to be left totally 'parentless' (well other than the Weasleys, but they're inlaws anyway).

Still, I don't think HArry was ever REALLY angry at Remus.

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I have mixed feelings about Harry's fight with Remus. I think Remus had to get that message, but Harry was far to harsh delivering it. However, the saddest part in the book for me was when the dead Lupin was talking to Harry.

Harry was right..though it was his anger speaking but he did right..Tonks needed him..!

Agreed. Harry had the right idea, but he was just way too harsh, in my opinion. At least he felt kinda bad about it later, that redeemed him.

Now that I think about it....that happened with another series I'm reading. It makes sense, no matter how much it hurts and breaks my heart....and the hearts of the characters.

Harry was very very right. How could Remus leave his pregnant wife, especially one as loyal as Nymphadora, alone to raise a baby while he goes off? I can see where Remus is coming from, and I'd be worried too, but it's still no reason to abandon your unborn baby.

Yes, Harry was so right to yell. I HATED how Lupin wanted to go with them. It would have been nice had he just wanted to go to protect or whatever, but I hated his attitude.

It's one thing for him to be concerned for the unborn Teddy's benefit. Yes, his life would be hard if he turned out to be a werewolf. But saying that he REGRETTED MARRYING TONKS?! I was appauled. It was so selfish and so unfair of him to say that. I'm totally glad that Harry yelled at him because he was 100% right in doing it.

Shannon

I personally don't know if I agree with you on the whole with this Shannon. I believe Harry doing this was the right thing as well, but I believe that Lupin offering help wasn't selfish he was trying to procure that they stayed alive for one and he also didn't want to hurt Tonks that didn't to me show Cowardace and Selfishness giving up something you love in Lupins case Tonks and the Baby was something he was willing to do to make sure they had a safe werewolf-free life.

Lupin at first loved Tonks and you knew this but he didn't want to marry her or show this love to anyone at all because he didn't want to hurt Tonks or give her a life that she did not deserve he loved her alot but leaving her was not the right idea. Staying with her was. He loved her and Ted and you knew this after he had stayed, Harry had struck and chord which made him believe that if he perished while fighting Voldemort and his 'army' he would atleast have a selfless loving godfather to leave his only son too. He knew that Harry would do the right thing and Harry saying what he said was the right thing at the time.

Harry was definitely right it what he said, as Remus later admits himself. Remus was scared, let's just admit it, he was scared out of his wits. He was feeling guilty about what he had done to Tonks...marrying her and getting her pregnant. He never felt right about marrying Tonks before Harry yelled at him and eventually he understood that it was Tonks's choice as well.

Harry yelled at Lupin. I think that it was completely necessary and understandable considering how Harry was more or less in Ted Lupin's spot once before. Harry wanted Remus to stay with his child and wife, just as James did with Lily and baby Harry. Harry knows that family means a lot and that you should be with them while you still can, so his yelling of 'coward' is just to get across the point.

Remus was so scared that he became unreasonable. He felt guilty about what he had done because he believed that he never should have done it, that he never should have given in to his heart because of what he is (werewolf).

I understand why Harry got upset, because of his father not leaving him, and Lupin leaving his son. But I don't think he was right to yell at him. Lupin had his reasons....But I'm really really really happy it worked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Harry was definitly right, but went about it the wrong way. Sure he was completely stressed out over everything, but honestly yelling at Lupin, the one man who had supported him most of all was too harsh. He understood his mistake, and I think at the time he felt justified to do it, by sending Lupin home to be with his family during the most difficult time of their lives, but he flew off the handle. It's no wonder Lupin was so horribly angery and did what he did to Harry.

But Harry knew he made the mistake and undrstood his problem, and in the end by saying yes to being Teddy's godfather he redeemed himself. And Lupin loved Harry more than anythiung, he was like a father to him, and parents and children do fight and say horrible things to eachother so it was a natural thing.

I highly agree with you there Harry was wrong in the presention but not in the meaning he wanted Lupin to support Tonks because he knew himself what it was like to be motherless and fatherless and knew he would probably himself feel less respect for his own father if he had flown.

I definitely think Harry's anger toward Lupin was justified and I was feeling a bit angry toward him myself. How could he walk out on Tonks, especially when she was pregnant! Thankfully, he noted that Harry's instincts were right later on, so he can rest in peace in my memory.

Harry was right, however he could have been a bit more tactful. Remus needed a good kick up the backside. I can't believe others let it get to the point where Harry was the one who had to make him get some perspective. As noble as Lupin was trying to be, he was doing it more out of a desire to escape confronting his emotions, than wanting to help Harry.

I think it's only right that Lupin was honest about how he felt. To be fair to him, they did rush into it -- much like how Molly said Bill & Fleur were -- out of the war environment where everything becomes that bit more heightened and intensified and people develop a "now or never", "life's too short", "live for the moment" frame of thinking. It's only afterward he realised the danger he was putting her in, and that maybe they should've taken things a bit slower.

LOL i loved that part.....I think he should have stayed with Tons, though....

I thought he was under the Imperius curse at first too! I was kinda shocked when I realized he wasn't, and that he was just being...mehh. I'm glad Harry told him off, it helped Lupin realize the error of his ways, and so he was able to fix his problems with Tonks and be happy with her and his child before...you know .

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It seemed like for most of the book Lupin was under the Imperius Curse.

It did seem like it!

It kinda reminded me of how Ron acted when wearing the Horcrux - he was even worse cause it gave him all these thoughts... but Lupin didn't have a Horcrux to wear to make him act oddly, so I think there was some Imperius Curse there or something.

I'm the same - mixed feelings. Lupin shouldn't have left Tonks in her time of need, but Harry should've been a bit more tactful on the matter. he did have good points, but he couldn't been way less blunt about it, despite how much Lupin needed a kick in the backside about it.

I think you all are judging both Harry and Lupin to hard.

Lupin - Wanting to go with Harry was it more for wanting to protect the one person he and his three best friends loved or wanting to leave this family.
- REGRETTED MARRYING TONKS because he did not love her or because he loved her too much. Him think what kind of life can she have with him and would she be better off without him.

Harry being to hard on Lupin. Could it because Harry knew it was the only way for Lupin to put this family first? And by asking Harry to be Teddy's godfather his was of thanking Harry for being so hard???

Harry was definitely justified in what he said. It irked me that Lupin wanted to go with them--this was, after all, a job for the trio alone. It would've been way to weird if Lupin went. And apart from that, Lupin seemed so out of character the entire book...I just got really annoyed with him.

I also wonder, since Lupin regretted marrying Tonks, if it was because he loved her and his unborn child so much, or because he never loved her in the first place? I know it was said in the sixth book that his reason was because he was a werewolf, but really. I never got the vibe that he had any feelings for her. It was almost as though he was guilted into it?

I actually thought that Lupin was way out of character in that scene. He was just all I'm such a horrible person so I'm going to run away from my problems and help out Harry. I said,"Lupin what is WRONG with you!?!" when i reda it. I thought he deserved to be shouted at but the Harry was a tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny bit over the top about it.

Lupin was not very responsible in this whole book, in my opinon. I liked that Harry stood up to him, although he went about it all the wrong way. Lupin needed to hear what he said to him...it did work, after all. Harry should have controlled his anger and tried to reason with Lupin, not shout at him.

The more I think about Lupin in DH, and at Grimmauld Place in particular, the more I feel like it was pretty in character. When Lupin was saying he regretted marrying Tonks, it wasn't because he didn't love her; he felt guilty about making her into an outcast. Lupin is a reserved person who doesn't cut himself a lot of slack - to feel guilty about impusively rushing into a marriage and unintentionally hurting the woman he loves isn't unlike Lupin at all.

Another thing that bothered me was the way Lupin seemed so manic about looking for a spy in the Order, but it's pretty obvious why Lupin, of all people, would be so obsessed with finding the rat. The mania almost made him look guilty himself... like he had something to hide, which is why he was checking all the others. But I think a lot of Lupin's attitude had to do with his involvement in the Order. During the two wars, when Voldemort was using werewolves to maim and kill, and Remus was living with those who had been shunned by society, he was always going to have a heightened awareness of his position as a 'dark creature'. For someone who's failing is wanting to be liked, other people's opinions are going to matter highly to him. It's not surprising that after being viewed a certain way for such a long time, Lupin would begin to feel guilty - like he was fooling no one but himself.

I never understood why during the first war, James and Sirius suspected Moony, and not Wormtail, to be the rat. I think it all goes back to Lupin's guilt. The Marauders have their flaws, but prejudice is not one of them. I never really liked the idea that Lupin was suspected because of his condition. After reading DH now I can see - Lupin probably wasn't acting like an innocent man. He's so worried about succumbing to the Death Eaters like other 'dark creatures' that he begins to act like he's already made the choice. Doesn't really excuse his actions, but at least gives some idea of what was driving him.