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| | The Deathly Hallows The final year of the Harry Potter series - will good triumph over evil? |
07-10-2007, 10:58 PM
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| | Bugbear
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| Gryffindor Blood?
Do you think it's possible that Harry is actually a descenant (sp?) of Godric Gryffindor? I mean, in CoS he pulled Gryffindor's sword out of the Sorting Hat and Dumbledore says that it took a true Gryffindor to pull it out of the Hat. Also, Lily and James had lived in Godric's Hallow. I think the Potters are related to the Gryffindors.
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07-12-2007, 02:31 PM
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| | Crup
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Well if the Potters are related to Godric Gryffindor than it would be through James side of the family since Lily was muggle born. This is possible because JKR has said that in Deathly Hallows we will learn more about James family, and why the Potters were so weathy. If we belive that this theory is true than all Harrys money could be leftover from Godric Gryffindor's inheritance.
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07-12-2007, 10:26 PM
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| | Chizpurfle
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I don't think Harry is the Gryffindor Heir. Here is why:
In an interview by Leaky Cauldron on July 16, 2005 JKR said: Quote:
"MA: What about Harry's family — his grandparents — were they killed?
JKR: No. This takes us into more mundane territory. As a writer, it was more interesting, plot-wise, if Harry was completely alone. So I rather ruthlessly disposed of his entire family apart from Aunt Petunia. I mean, James and Lily are massively important to the plot, of course, but the grandparents? No. And, because I do like my backstory: Petunia and Lily's parents, normal Muggle death. James's parents were elderly, were getting on a little when he was born, which explains the only child, very pampered, had-him-late-in-life-so-he's-an-extra-treasure, as often happens, I think. They were old in wizarding terms, and they died. They succumbed to a wizarding illness. That's as far as it goes. There's nothing serious or sinister about those deaths. I just needed them out of the way so I killed them.
MA: That sort of shuts down Heir of Gryffindor [theories], as well.
JKR: [Pause.] Yeah. Well - yeah.
MA: Another one bites the dust."
(complete interview is at http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/ar...et-anelli-3.htm )
I think that Dumbledore could have been the Gryffindor Heir though.
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07-13-2007, 01:15 AM
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| | Niffler
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I think that Dumbledore could have been the Gryffindor Heir though.
That would be interesting, though that would mean Aberforth is now.
What about the Weasleys? Their whole family's been in Gryffindor, even the ones like Percy (and JKR has said the Sorting Hat's never been wrong). Dunno, might be interesting.
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08-30-2007, 03:52 PM
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It'd be nice to believe that Harry is related to Gryffindor, but it seems highly impossible. Despite Harry pulling the sword out of the Hat, there is still doubt for me. Besides, what about Slytherin?
Wouldn't it be awesome if Harry was related to Salazar Slytherin? After all, the Sorting Hat did say he'd do rather well in Slytherin...
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08-31-2007, 09:52 PM
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| | Faerie
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The thought crossed me that he could be related to Slytherin, because LV is and Harry and LV are both descendants from the Peverells. But then LV would not be the last living relative/ heir of Slytherin. Also JKR said Harry looses his ability to speak parseltounge, when the horcrux inside him is destroyed, so parseltounge was not something he inherited.
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09-01-2007, 12:53 PM
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| | Crup
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| I always thought Harry was descended from Gryffindor, but after what JKR said, and after Neville also pulled the sword out of the hat I kind of gave up on that theory. However, I do agree with the fact that Dumbledore may have been related to Gryffindor, especially as the sword was in his possession before he died. But i suppose JKR left these things open so that people could speculate as much as they wanted. |
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09-02-2007, 03:16 PM
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| | Erumpent
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| Ultimate Potterite Original original It's possible, especially since all purebloods are related... It's a possibility but it's not definite. Harry may have pulled the sword of Godric Gryffindor from the Sorting Hat, but Neville did also. |
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09-05-2007, 03:20 PM
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| | Chizpurfle
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What we know is that LV was a descendant of the second Peverell son and that Harry is a descendant of the third son. Assuming that the three sons had the same father, this would make Harry and LV descendants of him. Since the eldest son was slain, the second son would continue the line of heir, and therefore LV would be the heir not Harry even though their lines meet. What we don't know is if the sons lived before or after Slytherin. Was Slytherin a descendant of the second son or was an ascendant of the mother of the three sons? Since Slytherin was known to put his mark on everything he could, it may be safe to assume he married a descendant of the second son and took the ring for his own. We have never been told much about the personal life of Slytherin except that he and Gryffindor were the best of friends. This may imply that he also lived in Godrics Hollow. If they were the best of friends, they were about the same age.
My theory: Godric Peverell was the father of the three sons and established the hamlet of Godrics Hollow. Some unknown Slytherin married into the line of the second son , and some unknown Gryffindor married into the line of the third son. Godric Gryffindor being named for his ancestor. Harry is not the heir of Gryffindor, but he may be a descendant. Gryffindor was in control of one of the relics and Slytherin was in control of another. For the time being, the third was lost. Aware of the fact that Slytherin might gain control of the third relic, Godric had the goblins make a sword which could control them. The rest is history.
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09-07-2007, 12:53 PM
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| | Puffskein
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Here is a family tree that I got off of Wikipedia, under James and Lily Potter.
Peverell family
Salazar Slytherin
Antioch Peverell Cadmus Peverell Ignotus Peverell
Many generations Many generations Many generations
Marvolo Gaunt
Tom Riddle Sr. Merope Gaunt Morfin Gaunt Black family
Tom Marvolo Riddle Septimus Weasley Cedrella Black Mr and Mrs Potter Mr and Mrs Evans Mr and Mrs Dursley
Monsieur Delacour Apolline Delacour Arthur Weasley Molly Prewett James Potter Lily Evans Petunia Evans Vernon Dursley Marjorie Dursley
Gabrielle Delacour Fleur Delacour William Weasley 3 Weasley Sons George Weasley Ronald Weasley Hermione Granger Ginevra Weasley Harry Potter Dudley Dursley
Victoire Weasley Other Children Fred Weasley Other Children Rose Weasley Hugo Weasley James Potter Albus Potter Lily Potter
What is known about Lily and James's parents is a statement from an interview that:
“ "Petunia and Lily's parents, normal Muggle death. James's parents were elderly, were getting on a little when he was born, which explains the only child, very pampered, had-him-late-in-life-so-he's-an-extra-treasure, as often happens, I think. They were old in wizarding terms, and they died. They succumbed to a wizarding illness".[7] ”
I thought it was interesting.
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09-20-2007, 06:24 PM
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I think that Harry would be a true Gryffindor (because he could pull the sword out of the hat) doesn't mean he has to be a descendant. I think actually he's not. Blood lines and all that is more of a Slytherin thing, what's important to Gryffindor is not what you are or can do, but what you choose to do (like Dumbledore tells Harry). So to be a true Gryffindor, you don't have to be it by blood, but by character.
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11-24-2007, 03:31 AM
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| | Crup
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The seventh book pretty much eliminated the possibility, but the fact that Dumbledore might have still remains... Maybe some other Gryffindor was a descendant?
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12-06-2007, 03:36 AM
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| | Hippocampus
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Originally Posted by LyonLover417 It'd be nice to believe that Harry is related to Gryffindor, but it seems highly impossible. Despite Harry pulling the sword out of the Hat, there is still doubt for me. Besides, what about Slytherin?
Wouldn't it be awesome if Harry was related to Salazar Slytherin? After all, the Sorting Hat did say he'd do rather well in Slytherin... but I think that it was because that he was a HOCRUX at that time....Anyway,if the peverells were before GG,there's a possibility that harry is not only the descendant of the third brother ,he might be the descendant of GG too!!!
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05-03-2008, 05:14 AM
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| | Glumbumble
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well as JKR said Harry isnt the heir of godric gryffindor.but what about being the heir of Slytherin i mean the connection harry had with the Peverells and Marvolo gaunt being a descendent of the peverells??
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06-13-2008, 11:17 PM
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Luke Winters Sixth Year | wow you people confuse me...i think the theory is interesting. And i also think it's possible but I doubt it. As someone ^^ said before, the Wealsey's were ALL Gryffindors and they don't really seem to be related to them anywhere. and the fact that the pOtter's lived in Godric's Hollow, I think, has nothing to do with it. When Dumbledore said "it takes a true Gryffindor to pull that out of the hat" it didn't mean he was RELATED. just meant that he had all the stuff a true Gryffindor does. but I really don't know...he could be.
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04-18-2009, 09:51 PM
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I thought McGonagall was the Gryffindor Heir..*confused*
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05-06-2009, 09:42 AM
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Annushka Sarah Emerzynski First Year | The true heir of Gryffindor is not determined by blood, it's determined by who's got the values Gryffindor's are known for in the most degree. In that sense, all Gryffindor's are true ones.
Whether Harry has Godric Gryffindor's blood or not is immaterial.
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01-02-2010, 11:52 PM
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Well, we know Harry is a descendant of the Peverells, I.E. he is a rightful possessor of the Invisibility Cloak, so that is something. As for being a descendant of Godric Gryffindor, though...I don't know. I mean, if you use Harry pulling the Sword out of the hat, and out of the lake, you could also use Neville as an example as well. Neville pulled the Sword out of the hat as well, when he killed Nagini during the battle. So I think that puts that into perspective, as well...It's something to think about.
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01-05-2010, 11:00 AM
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I thought Harry was a Slytherin descendant due to being a descendant of Gaunt Voldy comes from.<-- said he was the heir of Slytherin?....Are Harry and Voldy related?
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03-05-2010, 12:15 AM
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| | Glumbumble
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Originally Posted by oribiablue Well, we know Harry is a descendant of the Peverells, I.E. he is a rightful possessor of the Invisibility Cloak, so that is something. As for being a descendant of Godric Gryffindor, though...I don't know. I mean, if you use Harry pulling the Sword out of the hat, and out of the lake, you could also use Neville as an example as well. Neville pulled the Sword out of the hat as well, when he killed Nagini during the battle. So I think that puts that into perspective, as well...It's something to think about. I agree with you. I think maybe it was just his character and personality that made him a true gryffindor. I mean, he had slytherin traits too, but in the end it was gryffindor that he was put into, so I dont necessarily think he was a descendant of godric gryffindor, but who knows? I could be wrong.
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04-08-2010, 04:03 AM
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I don't think Harry was an heir of Gryffindor, but he WAS a true Gryffindor. If anything, I think he was a descendant, just a bit, of Slytherin, and definitely a descendant of the Pervells, making him and Voldy distantly related. Dumbledore, on the other hand, just might have been the real heir of Godric Gryffindor. He seems like the one to be.
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06-02-2010, 05:06 PM
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I don't think he is. The reason he pulled the sword, was probably because he was showing true gryffindor attributes when fighting the basilisk.
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06-03-2010, 01:18 PM
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Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but Ron was able to retrieve the sword from the frozen pool when he re-joined Harry and Hermione in the hunt for the horcruxes. This makes Ron a true Gryffindor also. Not hugely important I know but I'm a big Ron fan and wanted him to get his moment of Gryffindor glory!
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06-03-2010, 06:36 PM
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Yeah, Ron was showing true gryffindor at that moment. However, there are many times where I question him being in gryffindor. Like all of his cowardly moments throughout the series. This leans more towards Hufflepuff.
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07-28-2011, 01:02 AM
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I think he is a descendant actually.
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