Hey, Wrimo-ers! Want to chat about what you're planning to write? Have a genius passage you want to share?

This is the place!

Prior to November, let us know what sort of genre you're writing and anything about your plot idea you feel like sharing. After November 1st, you can also post any genius things you've written that just need to be READ.

Let me get things rolling. I've been working on a very loose outline since the beginning of the month, so I'm uber pumped and excited for Nov. 1st. My question is... what genre are you writing?

My own genre is young adult fiction, specifically young adult fantasy. Anyone else?

Mine is young adult fiction too!
But more specifically for me, It's Adult young romance (:
It's... complicated.

I actually had this idea for LAST years NaNoWriMo, but I totally choked and stopped after the first chapter.
So I'm resurrecting it and planning on finishing it for 09's Wrimo.

I would like to join this comp. but I must know first if people from other country can join. And if ever I'll join this competition. My genre would be a science/fantasy based fiction story with a tinge of some romantic scenes..lololol

You CAN participate no matter where you live! If you have any more questions, please post in the FAQ thread so we can leave this one for discussion.

Well, I've got a title for my novel if anyone's interested in hearing it however, I really am not sure that my whole idea fits into a specific genre yet. (I'll update it once I officially have a genre.)

I already got a title too and Mandy already knew it and I knew her's too. I'm really excited about that annual event.. ^____^ Thanks to the staff of SS for letting us know this awesome online event.. and Err..yeah..as I posted, my genre would be fantasy..

I'm not sure what I'm doing this year, yet. My last 'almost successful' NaNo got eaten by a dying harddrive and I never finished it... and while I don't want to rewrite it, I have a hard time getting it out of my head.

I'm thinking about a different story that's been bouncing around, though. I guess you could call it 'mainstream fiction' that is loosely based on four girls I went to school with. The big plot twist actually happened to us, but the rest is fiction.

Ahhhh, cool beanz. Mine will be... kind of like an inner monologue of someone's life, based loosely on events that happened to myself (so much easier to write ). I am absolutely DETERMINED to complete mine this year, after my fail 10,000 words last year xD I can't wait to get started... it's sooooo hard not to start it like now xD

So, I think mine is young adult... mega angst xD

I don't believe in genres. That's for bookstores to decide, no? But if I had to say what it would be like (as if anything I ever write falls into a prescribed genre ) it would be something like magical realism (a la Gabriel Garcia Marquez), meets fantasy, meets slice-of-life, meets science fiction, meets whatever else I can think of.

It's the story of a boy who lives in a city in some part of the world somewhere like between Texas and Mexico but it never really says where it is ... it's supposed to play with the notions of borders and the fluidity of them and how they're really just idiotic concepts in people's heads and how they're necessary but also how they can be used as tools of oppression and exploitation ... of course the novel will have a Marxist bent and a giant gorilla tearing up downtown I thought that'd get your attention ...

Honestly, it is going to be about some of those things but the themes about border life and stuff are going to be a lot more subtle, the giant gorilla, well not so much. I mean if a giant gorilla tears up through your town you have to admit that would be hard to ignore ... no?

That said, I still don't know if it will be YA or have a more adult bent. A story is a story and it audience should find it not go looking for it ... I think, like the classics you know? I mean is Dickens a grown up book because I keep finding him in the YA section of the library and ... I don't know.

But yeah, its the story of a boy who lives in a magical world (ours really with a little bit of magic) coming to realize that magic is all around him and it isn't always the pixies and centaurs kind of magic. Maybe? A coming of age thing? Then again last year I was trying to write this fairy tale and it got way out of hand so we shall see.

When you're trying to type 50,000 words who really has time to deal with a plot anyways right? I've never let a plot or lack of stop me from writing ... just look at my fics

Good luck to everyone trying. I got to 20.000 words last year and quit half way through the month so my only advice would be, this is a marathon not a sprint so don't burn yourselves out.

I'm interested in your title! Share share!

I had that happen to me last year, actually, only it was a new story idea that wanted to be written. And I had just hit the point in my working plot where I was loathing it (which is pretty normal, right?), so I was SO tempted to drop the original idea and pick up the new one.

Glad I didn't, but I know what its like to have a story idea haunt you. I hope you figure out which idea you want to write!

I love angst . In case that wasn't obvious from what I put Cope through. Hehe. Bring on the angst!

Haha. I think I have to respectfully disagree. Not that you dont' believe in genres, but I'm pretty sure that genres are important when you're submitting to an agent or a publisher. Perhaps less so in the original writing, although I like to keep my readers in mind in a back corner of my mind if only to remember what they already know.

I think the way your brain works is fascinating. I looooooooove it .

The lines between the genres are pretty much blurred beyond formal definitions now anyway. But I do think that the age of my characters, in this case, informs what I consider my 'genre'. Among other things.

You know what I love? I LOVE how everyone's writing habits are so different. Like for YOU, it made perfect sense to start with an idea and then just run with it. For me, though, I needed more structure. I actually think that having a basic outline and knowing ahead of time what generally was going to happen really helped me. Probably wouldn't work for everyone, but it worked for me!

Maybe next year I'll be brave and just RUN with an idea. In the spirit of Ottery.


Does anyone else want to share a working title they have?

my title for my novel is Walking in a Winter Wonderland..and this is of course, dedicated to my fellow SSers..^__^..

and some of my character was named after some SSers..


agreess..*nods nods* I thinks its really important that you should know what genre you're writing..genres helps a lot for getting readers and publishers..for example..you're genre is young adult, so the teens would be the one that will read the novel..it really depends on the genre and interests of the people for the novel..I think..

I've just joined NaNoWriMo.

FINALLY an outlet for my forever unused ideas D:. I've got a loooot of ideas for like years and I've never got to write them down completely. But I think this is an amazing opportunity to finally vent them out and actually motivate me to finish! TEEHEE!

I think. I dunno... maybe my plot idea fits into Young Adult Romance Fiction thingamajigeh? o: Because it's basically about a boy (originally, my grown-up Samson :3), who inherited his father's booming business and now needs a wife (and heir, more importantly) but doesn't want one. He thinks he'll be able to solve his problem by lying to his dad and pretending to 'fall in love' with the competition, thinking it will get him out of the deal completely.

I still don't know how I'm going to go about it, really, but I've made an outline, so I might be able to manage finishing it by end of November. Hopefully! *crosses fingers*

I'm sorry, I get a little carried away about my ideas. I didn't mean to come off as "Genre's are evil turn away from heresy!" or something Obviously, different people have different opinions about genre and such, my statements apply to me personally but on rereading what I wrote I can kind of see where I got carried away coming off like one of those End of the world repent people on the side of the street.

I do personally believe genres are this silly 20th century invention coming out of a need to refine, sort and catalog everything. If you think about it when the novel was being birthed (and it is very young, poetry is so much older and has a longer history of literary dominance which is ironic because it has so fallen out of favor over the last 100 years) there were no massive bookstores dividing books into genres and subgenres and subgenres of the genres subgenre ... People just read stories. I think they still should.

If you really think about it, you could make a system like they do in science to classify animals and every book would fit every genre to some degree.

Genre just works to sell people what they really like and it's limiting and blah blah blah I can see you all are asleep already *reads thread title* Oh yeah, I thought this was the "Discourses on deconstruction of genrefication of literization with giant apes destroying downtown" Wrong forum.

Back to what you said Cassirin for me personally, yeah, in the original writing I can't really tell myself, "This is the genre it's going to be," because it's so limiting. I struggled with it for a very long time ... I had writer's block forever and it made writing anything impossible because I can't just write a western. I'd throw in some aliens and maybe a bog monster and then I'm straddling horror and science fiction but wait, it's not really science fiction because no one has a laser gun but it is because it's alternate universe science fiction and there's also the elements of steampunk and blah blah blah next thing you know I'm not writing anything and trying to decide what genre my story is going to go under.

That's why I love the "Other Stories" forum on SS. Cuz my stuff is just ungenrefiable. But I do respect that other people can and do function as writers by picking a genre first then writing it. I wish I could too but I can't.

I'm hoping to make the city a character and the characters characters as well obviously, but I don't really want to have a protagonist even though the story is titled after one character and it's supposed to follow their lives but that's the thing looking at any life under a microscope it's not just about 'you' or 'me' it's about 'us'. The stories of our lives are about ourselves and the people in our lives and I'm always trying to capture that in my stories. As can be seen by the myriad number of characters I use in any little story ... and why it's really hard for me to write short stories

Thank you. Seriously, most people just think I'm weird Thank you Lissy said you were sweet

Yeah, we're all different creatures and we all work differently and you're absolutely right everyone's writing habits are so different. In truth, I do use plot outlines but only after I've started the story ... like maybe 1/2 way through writing something and it's become so cumbersome I can't keep track I start to jot down characters and events and while looking at everything I've written THEN I can see where I want to take them and make plots join or intersect. But, the funny thing is, I write to follow the plot outline and then deviate anyway I can't help it. There's something inherently anti-rules about me so I have to stray from the path even if it's just a little I even disobey me

And I'm flattered you'd think about trying to write the Otty way but you shouldn't. I think if you've got a working method of writing you should use it. If it ain't broke, why fix it? But then again the other side of my brain is nagging me to say that you can't stick to familiar paths all the time or you'll repeat yourself. See? My brain just likes to argue with itself. LOL

I can't help thinking of books like Pride & Prejudice and Zombies, or Fables (the graphic novels) which IMHO defy genre or just flounce it. Then there's films like Scream which use it to fool readers by playing against their expectations ... so I can't help but see genre as either a crutch or something limiting. Here again, for myself. For other people it's freeing ... like 95% of the population I can't help it, I'm weird.

See?

I'm just gonna say my genre is thingamajigeh.

My advice would be pace yourself. I burn out halfway through the month ... then again my story didn't really have much steam it's really more of a short story. That's what I get for trying to write a 'fairy tale' they're supposed to be short and sweet. Didn't help that I didn't have a villain either

My title is The miraculous melancholy melody of Gabriel Angel de Oro’s life.

It's a working title You'll notice how vague it is too, so it leaves it open ended enough to be about ANYTHING but it's actually thingamajigeh

Dude, I had this problem last year... but I have two completely different ideas in my head and I have no idea which one to run with.

One of them is a completely new universe/land that's in my head which is mixed with my own ideas and things that exist and stuff. The other is the one I already mentioned. They both have pros and cons... and now I have NO idea what to do xD last year i started a new story about four or five times xD EEEEEK!

I love how we've come up with our own genre. xD

My genre is temporarily thingamajigeh as well.

Ugh, totally. I burn out often, too. MEH. Maybe in a week or so? But I'm going to stick with my outline, and I'll just buffer a few changes and kinks along the way. That's plan A. If some idea comes around that might be substantial to my story, I suppose I'll just be going with the flow up to where my outline fits in. Plan B, therefore. Bahahaha.

But really, I just hope I enjoy.

Oooh, nice title! Maybe I should go for an open-ended, vague title, too. With very little words and not much to work with. To give it mysteryyy. W0o0o0oooo00o0o0.

You could go crazy and go with both? 100,000 words in 30 days? That way you wouldn't burn out on one story you could always jump to the other when you feel like you can't think of a new scene or something.

I'd go with whichever one has more gas, you know? Which one is going to have more ideas to fit in and write so that half way through the month you're not like ... what do I write now?

or you could do both. *is the bad angel on your left* Oh go on ... whose gonna know you did it anyway?

*Which would make Teddy your good angel on your right shoulder* T: Uhm, yeah. Do it. *beats Ottery* Write 'em both.

O:

See? It's the all-purpose genre ...

Yeah, I think the most important thing about doing Nanowrimo is that you enjoy it. I was reading this girls post on my Lj cuz they have a Nanowrimo thing going on on Lj and she was all like feeling anxious and getting sick at the idea of doing it. All I could think of was how sad that is. I mean if it's not going to be fun why do it?

If we bust at least we tried. We get to brag. Like I've been doing ... did I tell you I got 20,000 words last year? *neglects to mention they were rubbish* Hey 20,000 is a lot ...

But yeah, I say we all enjoy Nanowrimo first then go all mad panic to write. That for me is the funnest part. Running around in circles in the house yelling at everyone that I don't know what to do with this character or waking up everyone by laughing manically at like 3 AM because I just wrote the greatest action/love scene or something crazy like that

Nanowrimo should be fun. Hence the giant gorilla in my story You all don't really think I'm kidding about that do you? I love giant gorillas, the new King Kong is one of my favorite movies and not just cuz of Jamie Bell.

The funny thing is last year I had no title for my story but I had a plot and characters ... no outline of course. I felt I could do it, but the story was so bad ... I know the problem was that it was a short story and I tried to make it into a very long novel and it was just me writing a lot of talking and nothing happening because well I couldn't think up what to do now?

This year hopefully I will do better.

Good luck to all of us! *fires the cannons* Do any of you know about July being National Book Editing Month or something? they do this thing like Nanowrimo but it's about editing what you wrote ... I think it's in July but it could be January or June. I want to write a novel and then submit it to a publisher ... after I have like all my friends and enemies proof read it and critique it. My grammar is really bad

Soooo.

I kind of wasn't going to post in here and blab about my ideas but then I've shared what I'm doing with a few people anyway.

Myyyy title is @JessBlog

And strangely, the story is about.... a blog

... written by someone called Jess.

Nowwww Jess isn't actually one of the main characters, and I intend to keep Jess' gender as an unknown factor (even though I know myself). Rather, the blog itself is the main character.

The rest of the story is about the people that read/subscribe/comment on the blog and how it effects their lives, even in the tiniest of ways. Ultimately the JessBlog character will tie them all together in ways that are only possible via the internet.

'Tis young adult fiction, but as for a sub-genre, that depends on which of the 'reader' characters come to the forefront.


And my two cents on the genre debate?

As someone who works in a bookstore and deals directly (and I mean DIRECTLY) with the reps from the publishing companies (Random House, Hachette Livre, Hodder, etc so forth and what have you), the books come to us with a genre already in place. The bookstore itself does not tend to categorise the genre. Genre is admittedly a marketing tool, but then I see it as a positive thing.

I'd never use a genre to define what I'm going to write, but I have no issues whatsoever using a genre to define what I've already written. Sure you can have books that are a bit of everything, but there is always a lean more towards one genre than another.

The books that tend to defy genre are usually either 'classic' fiction or 'contemporary' fiction. (BTW Ottery your title sounds like a contemporary fiction title if I've ever heard one ) Classic doesn't mean old and contemporary doesn't necessarily mean new which is where it gets confusing.

Classic and Contemporary are, in actuality, where you will find a literary novel as opposed to airport fiction or the guilty pleasure variety such as, oh I don't know, romance/vampire/historical/mystery/crime/chicklit/etc

I personally think, before I go off on even more of a tangent, that the only genres which need to be defined, because they tend to be very specific, are romance (and erotica), scifi and fantasy and horror. The rest (aside from contemporary and classic) are usually safe enough under 'general fiction' and in a smaller bookstore that is where you will find them.

Ooo, I love when authors don't mention a character's gender, especially when people then make assumptions based on how they act (or in Jess' case, how they blog )

Re: genres. It's interesting. I used to find it extremely limiting and 'pigeon-holing' when people have tried to put my writing into a particular genre, but I appreciate them tremendously when I'm looking for things to read.

The story I'm outlining right now is definitely posing some issues for me because the story itself needs a style that I don't usually write in. I'm struggling to figure out how to make it a little more substantive, because all I have right now is fluff. And maybe it is just a fluffy story with a weird plot twist, but it's gnawing at me kinda funnily. Does that make any sense?

I LOVE that your Wrimo was inspired by a character on SS. That's just... awesome. Hehe. And I have total confidence that you CAN do it. You can. Yup.

Yeah, I can see that. I think Tegz sort of hit the nail on the head when she was talking about the genres that need to be defined. I would loosely add YA to that list... but in my defense, I just wanted to encourage people to talk about what they're writing. So mea culpa and all that jazz.

So let's forget about genres. I'm for it.

Welcome .

But sometimes you can overplan and then your brain explodes and you've thought about everything SO MUCH that it's no longer fresh. The first time I visit a scene should be when I write it down (in theory)... otherwise it always pales in comparison to my expectations.

I accept this proposal.

My advice is the same, but also not to be afraid to let yourself meander to fun new places in order to avoid burn out. To save editting to the end. And not to worry if you randomly leave yourself notes in the middle of a chapter that says "WTF, ERN. THIS IS NOT SENSE-MAKING."

Hehe. Didn't you read the pep talk from... Meg Cabot or someone that told you to stick it out on the original plot? I almost switched too, and that talk came JUST in time. It's a relief to know everyone gets that starry-eyed feeling about a new plot just when their original one starts to get bogged down, yes?

Yes, do enjoy it. Take the opportunity to spend a month being a tortured author. Spoil yourself. Talk incessantly about "your novel". Be a diva and refuse to do normal things. Make it an event if you can, and we'll do our best to make it an even HERE.

So yeah. Enjoy it.

That IS crazy, but there are a couple people who do several thousand a year. I believe those people are living in a closet and not sleeping all month.

Yes. I AGREE. Have fun and be manic and be crazy occasionally.

Nanowrimo should be fun. Hence the giant gorilla in my story You all don't really think I'm kidding about that do you? I love giant gorillas, the new King Kong is one of my favorite movies and not just cuz of Jamie Bell.

I believe its... January? Take a month off and celebrate and then GET TO WORK. Don't be like me and take so long you're sick of the thing by the time you're done editting? Hehe.

YOU are adorable. And I love your idea. And how you got it.

Why not YA? Just because I like to know what you think.

Definitely makes sense. Last year, I ended up writing my novel in first person, and the voice was a teenage girl. I really struggled to write first person, because it just feels unnatural to ME. But eventually I got over myself and was able to let the character just do her thing.

And let me tell you how hard it is to be substantial and to include good descriptors of places and people when the book is all first person from the perspective of a person who is pretty much self involved and doesn't notice people or places.

What style are you looking to write? Maybe someone has tips.

That is my intention; the other characters will make assumptions and I shall build their assumptions into their responses and reactions to JessBlog.

I'm not entirely sure what sort of P.O.V I'm going with, aside from the blog, I might mix it up a bit but really, just gotta go with what feels right.

I'm a big fan of trying different P.O.Vs, sometimes they come out on their own and I sit there thinking WHUT IZ THEEES? Sometimes trying something really jarring can add to a story and the experience of both writing it and reading it, sometimes its... horrific and brain hurty.

I'd be happy to help you nut something out if you want to bounce a few ideas around RE: style. Go ahead and jab me via PM.




And Ern, the reason I don't really say YA is a genre, is because to me, YA, Childrens and Adults aren't genres at all. That is based on my work as much as personal opinion. Certainly people don't come in and say "I'm looking for a book thats kind of young adulty, with a bit of young adult thrown in." And stuff like Harry Potter, Mortal Instruments, Twilight, The Dog in the Nighttime, Tomorrow when the War began, Anne Frank's Diary, Lorna Doone, Lian Hearn's series and sooo many more than I can be bothered listing, proves that YA fiction isn't limited to Young Adults anyway and the fact that its YA (or childrens) has no bearing on a person's decision to read it in the first place.

Young Adult fiction still contains the genres of romance, mystery, etc and so forth, just as Childrens fiction does. The difference tends to be the degree of difficulty and how advanced the concepts are.

I totally have a bunch of information on this if you get curious, its a write up on the differences in childrens fiction by age group, word count, concept and style.

YA is more of a category than a genre to me; a category that contains genres, rather than a genre itself.

Heh. WELL. When I was in grad school, I was also in a weekly writing group with a coach and a bunch of my friends from a monthly open mic - 3 hours, 3 prompts. (Which I loved... I moved and had to stop going). And the stuff that wasn't creative non-fiction or poetry or a rant (or a sermon, apparently... Toni was really fond of telling me that what I'd just written would be a good sermon) was really surreal - not quite fantasy or sci-fi, but definitely in the 'this couldn't actually happen' territory. Which was definitely the world my last NaNo was existing in.

This story I have bouncing around is most definitely NOT. It's about a group of college friends (incidentally, MY college friends, though it's definitely a fictionalized account) helping each other deal, while one spirals completely out of control. My senior year some crazy crazy things went down and every time I tell the story, someone goes 'that should be a book' and I laugh and say 'maybe' and so this year, in the absence of a different plot, it will be.

In my mind, its like hopping from Tom Robbins (Skinny Legs and All, Jitterbug Perfume, Another Roadside Attraction) to Jodi Picoult (Plain Truth, The Pact).

OT: I love iCarly & have this exigent desire to make a smilie that says: Massive Flail

That's actually a pretty cool idea, what with so many people having blogs and all, nowadays. You've inspired me to write a short story called Twitter about ... Sorry, I can't help taking swipes at Twitter cuz I love it and I see it as lazy blogging

This sounds like a cool idea, you can play around with the size of the chapters and how the characters interact in their responses. Are you going to cut from the blog to their personal lives? I mean the characters who aren't Jess? You know, post a JessBlog or rather write one then have a character post a reply and then delve into that characters personal life and how they react to what Jess said or what they think or do after they've read the blog? Just curious.

First, OMG! *insert massive envy here* I wish I worked at a bookstore cuz then I could buy all the books I wanted all the time. Do you go home with a new book everyday? Cuz that's why I can't work at a bookstore, I'd just hand over my check and become indentured because I'd be in debt and ... Secondly, THEY put the genre on ... capitalist swine spoon feeding the masses I wonder if they'd take a look at my book? SS should have a piggy smilie.

Thirdly, yeah, I've seen it on some where it says mystery/suspense on the jacket or mystery, because the big gun or the dead body or the hardboiled detective on the cover doesn't give it away ...

What? No. I was going for classical ... I know, my new Title will be:

War & Peace, Pride & Prejudice: The romance of Moll Flanders and David Copperfield & Maggie a girl from the streets. o_0; or not.

Okay, last comment on genre, seriously but ... 1st Scifi/fantasy/horror are always lumped together at the B&N. 2ndly I read all those uhm, actually I read across the genres like everything so I don't understand, again, the need to separate and categorize a habit libraries have picked up which is funny because there's one category called fiction that should fit everything that's fiction at least according to Dewey. 3rdly does anyone here purposefully not read a genre or pick a specific genre to read in? It's probably just me, I try to pick up books by author, or the ideas or if it's got a bright shiny cover if I feel it will alter the course of human events, not really by genre. Again, it's just me ... I'm weird like that I guess.

Ironically enough, Fluff should be a genre because I do go into the library sometimes looking for something swift, easy and mindless to read ... I love fluff and I think if it's fluff let it be fluffy. Whatever you write let it be what it is. Like if you try to make it into something else I think you might lose interest in the story or it will just fall flat on you. I usually let my story take me where it wants instead of me trying to guide it, or the characters. Where they lead I follow.

Random Fact: When writing a story and I come up with a new character and I have like no time to stop and come up with a name I will randomly name them stuff like Mayonnaise or Poppycock or something just to keep the story going and not make myself stop to think up a name. I usually change the name later ... or if it really works I keep it even if it's weird.

I don't trust my brain. I'm always getting brilliant ideas on the bus, at the store, in the shower ... but when I sit down to write it, it doesn't read as beautifully as it did in my brain when I thought it. I usually go with it but it seems so much prettier in my head. And yeah, I used to have that problem all the time so much plotting, planning and laying the framework by the time I was going to sit down to write it, I didn't really want to anymore and I'd move on to my next idea. It doesn't work for me, which is why I plan nothing, except to succeed at Nanowrimo!

I do that too, it's the best can't slow down the pace of writing because like stopping to think up a name it's just my brain trying to keep me from writing

I do too. But I've found a way to circumvent that with my new story, see? Whenever that happens I just integrate it into this story since it's a story about everyone and everything in the city and so voila, no more fleeing from my story and hopefully the bright shiny new ideas will add to my word count.

Last year, I saw someone's wordcount widget say 150,000 halfway through the month ... I hate them ...

That's why I've never understood the existence of YA. Seeing gossip girls, and vampire novels and stuff like that in the bookstores though it just seems to me like they're selling very nice adolescent romance books ... all the titillation and none of what makes grown up romance books a no-no for kiddies. YA just seems to scream "Look sexuality!" or "Coming to terms with coming of age" Aren't those just adult fiction only now they're being written for kids? Excuse me adolescents. Here again just my opinion. But I mean, you've seen some of the covers right?

Everything I write falls under that category about being fictionalized reality and not stories about my college friends I mean ... real life is so rich with stories.

I'm so psyched to start on my story ...

Oh, I have nothing against fluff. I acquired quite a bit in grad school so I would have something mindless to read when my brain shut off. I just don't know if I can write it. When I read fluffy stuff, I have to be in the right mood and I'm worried I'll spend the month going 'ughhh what is this fluffy nonsense on my screeeen'

I tried that last year xD but it was two different events. I mean, i could try, but id feel as though I was cheating the wordcount thing.

maybe one will be my own personal one and i have the best one on WriMo xD

lolol, i did read a pep talk like that... but its so hard to listennnnn xD the two ideas i have are both very strong ones and i know exactly where i'll take them

this needs some thinking *thinks*





owww, brain-ache