*giggles* Lee, you are the cutest. That's a totally awesome reason. Never thought of it that way . . . yay uproar! xD

Otterryyy. I don't really care much for the movie, though it would be nice. Canon is what I'm after. I do hope Harry and Hermione get together if only in the books. LOL.

I know its always a teensy bit irksome when a shipper from another... ship... comes in to your own... shipping-grounds, if you will, and makes a statement. However, I was browsing this board, and originally wasn't planning on saying anything, until I read this post, and decided to put my two-cents in.
I hope no one minds or takes it to offense, because I'm just stating my opinion (Obviously, as you can guess, I'm a strong R/Hr shipper.)

Lets begin at the very beginning of this post. I don't mean to be rude at all, but I'm going to analyze just about everything, because... well, I disagree with the entire thing.

All I have to say to this sentence is that I disagree. That is my opening statement. Haha.

Hermione doesn't like Ron seriously? What is that supposed to mean? How could you prove that?
J.K Rowling even told us straight-out in an interview that they have a thing going on; so obviously Hermione does like Ron... seriously. You can't tell me J.K Rowling was wrong, it's her book. I understand that you ship your ship of how you think it should be and not cannon, but really. You can't try to convince anyone, not even a H/Hr shipper that Hermione doesn't honestly like Ronald cannonwise. It's in the text - reading between the lines It's been there since book one, trust me.
That's the point. Harry and Hermione are close friends, and that's all they are. Harry and Hermione's relationship is just like Harry and Ron's relationship - completely platonic(sp?). The fact that Hermione and Ron fight a lot shows that they really do like one another. It's more real. Jo didn't want Harry Potter to be a big old fairy tale with a happy ending when the hero gets the main girl and they live happily ever after. That's not what the book is, because real life doesn't work that way. People fight; even people in love. And the fact that even when fights occur Hermione and Ron are okay with one another in the end, that shows that there's something there. If they didn't have that love, their relationship wouldn't have lasted past the first year when Ronald said rude things to Hermione behind her back.

Movies, shmoovies. The directors have just about as much of an idea of what will happen to everyone in the seventh book as we do; they analyze the books just like we do, and through their own visions and conclusions they form how the movie works. It isn't the director's vision that is forming the relationships, it's the writer's. It doesn't matter if Hermione holds Ron's hand, or rests her head on Harry's shoulder or whatever -- if it didn't happen in the book, it's not the cannon version, in my opinion. The books tell everything. Some people only watch the movies and think they know a lot about Harry Potter, but I think it's a shame when they don't read the books, because the movies are nothing like the books. I only watch the movies (aside from entertainment =D) to analyze what happens in the books compared to the movies; my head mindlessly does a compare-contrast. And there are a lot of contrasts!



Erm, so yeah, that's all I wanted to say. =P Thanks for your time. Feel free to respond to that, I suppose. I'd like to hear what H/Hr people think of my analysis... =D I'm very opinionated and stubborn, though - just a heads up.

Cheery-Bye!

How nice. You're my complete opposite in terms of shipping. Well, almost my complete opposite xD. I love it! You and I will get along just fineee.

First off, I'd like to say I really do appreciate this. I mean, it's not everyday we get comments like this. Yay!

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Originally Posted by Weasley is my King Hermione doesn't like Ron seriously? What is that supposed to mean? How could you prove that? J.K Rowling even told us straight-out in an interview that they have a thing going on; so obviously Hermione does like Ron... seriously. You can't tell me J.K Rowling was wrong, it's her book. I understand that you ship your ship of how you think it should be and not cannon, but really. You can't try to convince anyone, not even a H/Hr shipper that Hermione doesn't honestly like Ronald cannonwise. It's in the text - reading between the lines It's been there since book one, trust me.

I agree with this, actually. No, this isn't a sign of shippy weakness. I'm just a strong H/Hr shipper as she is an R/Hr shipper. *shudder*

Ahem. Anywayyy . . . J.K said it herself. You can't contradict the author. Hermione does have a liking for Ron, it's been quite evident, but this is actually the meat of the H/Hr ship, for me. There are many what if's here, and that's what intrigues me to ship my ship, other than the fact that they just look bloody good together. Confused yet? Haha.

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That's the point. Harry and Hermione are close friends, and that's all they are. Harry and Hermione's relationship is just like Harry and Ron's relationship - completely platonic(sp?). The fact that Hermione and Ron fight a lot shows that they really do like one another. It's more real. Jo didn't want Harry Potter to be a big old fairy tale with a happy ending when the hero gets the main girl and they live happily ever after. That's not what the book is, because real life doesn't work that way. People fight; even people in love. And the fact that even when fights occur Hermione and Ron are okay with one another in the end, that shows that there's something there. If they didn't have that love, their relationship wouldn't have lasted past the first year when Ronald said rude things to Hermione behind her back.

Based on many books, close friends, best friends, friends, acquaintances end up together. Why shouldn't Harry and Hermione be the same? You can tell me that J.K is unique in her writing, yes I'm quite aware of that, she won't be copying some cliche. But we're all also aware of how much surprises J.K stores. I'm not saying that Harry and Hermione will most definitely end up together, but we didn't expect Cedric's, Sirius' and Dumbledore's death or Snape's betrayal, until there was some sort of hint at some point near the book's release. We also have to note that Harry was almost always there when Ron and Hermione would fight. If it weren't for his help, however big or small it was, they wouldn't have a big chance of reconcilling(sp?)

But wait! You might say that Hermione was also there when Ron and Harry would fight. She might've been returning the favor.

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Movies, shmoovies. The directors have just about as much of an idea of what will happen to everyone in the seventh book as we do; they analyze the books just like we do, and through their own visions and conclusions they form how the movie works. It isn't the director's vision that is forming the relationships, it's the writer's.

Sometimes, the sad thing about this ship is that they only do it because they see Harry and Hermione in Dan and Emma and also see that they look good together. There is a BIG difference between H/Hr and D/E. If you were a true H/Hr shipper, you'd ship off the books.

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It doesn't matter if Hermione holds Ron's hand, or rests her head on Harry's shoulder or whatever -- if it didn't happen in the book, it's not the cannon version, in my opinion. The books tell everything. Some people only watch the movies and think they know a lot about Harry Potter, but I think it's a shame when they don't read the books, because the movies are nothing like the books. I only watch the movies (aside from entertainment =D) to analyze what happens in the books compared to the movies; my head mindlessly does a compare-contrast. And there are a lot of contrasts!

I respect your opinion. Not book-based, not cannon. It's always been my perception. And yet the impact the directors put on the movies make it almost realistic. As much as fans read the book, it's in a person's nature to believe it what they see and not so often in what they read. Seeing is believing. The directors are sometimes too convincing, especially during Harry with Hermione scenes. In your case, perhaps, you just analyze. But note that people watch movies and read books for pleasure. They barely compare and contrast unless the topic is brought up. So, this is why Harry Potter has a lot of ships.

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Erm, so yeah, that's all I wanted to say. =P Thanks for your time. Feel free to respond to that, I suppose. I'd like to hear what H/Hr people think of my analysis... =D I'm very opinionated and stubborn, though - just a heads up. Cheery-Bye!

Quite an enjoyable . . .uhm . . . debate that was xD

Wooo! Okay, here's a H/Hr video I made Ship on H/Hr lovers, Ship on!
YouTube - My Heart Will Go On - H/Hr

I see H/G and H/Hr as something of what Dumbledore mentioned at the end of GoF -- Harry must choose between what is right and what is easy.

I think Ginny was there in HBP when Harry needed to be distracted. Up to this point he had not had much experience in girls, and I think JKR needed to fill in the hole with this, because it is learning from past experiences that brings him closer to the right relationship that fits him. He had been through a lot -- his godfather died, the prophecy was weighing on him, etc. She gave him what he wanted. Like Harry described at the end of HBP, his relationship with her was easy. He himself said it was easy to be with her.

Contrast this to Hermione, who has stood up to him and has not made it easy for Harry. Regardless of whether he wanted her there or not at a particular moment, she was there when she needed to be. She wasn't afraid to stand up to him and Ron when Harry first got his Firebolt. She stood up to him when he wanted to just run to the Ministry of Magic without consideration of the possibility it could be a trap. She stood up to him when he wanted to catch Pettigrew as a rat back in the third book. She is his conscience, more so than ever in OoTP when he started hearing her in his head. She gave him what he needed, which wasn't always what he wanted. I think she complements him. She teaches him to think first before he acts. He teaches her to let go. And yes, I do think they have passion. H/Hr shippers see it when Hermione stood up to him in OoTP and they fought about going to the MoM to save Sirius. The difference between Ron and Hermione fighting and Harry and Hermione fighting, for me, however, is that they listen to each other, and ultimately, resolve their differences with some kind of resolution. I believe Hermione is right for Harry, just as Harry is right for her.

Anyway, this is just my personal opinion on why I believe Harry and Hermione belong together. I stick with them, not because they ideally belong together. I stick with them because when I read her books, I see them written that way.

P.S. I personally don't think she has actually debunked the ship. Contrary to when she dealt with Neville/Luna or Harry/Cho, she hasn't outright stated they weren't going to happen, though in interviews, she may have led fans to believe she did in so many vague words. I think like in all prior interviews, her statements are a reflection of the current book that was released at the time, not necessarily the entire series. In any case, que sera sera. What will be will be. And after the last book is released, we'll still be supporting our respective ships. And it's okay. JKR can only write her story, but we still have the beauty of imagination.

I agree, JKR has even confirmed that, BUT I'll always be a Harry/Hermione fan at heart.

Alright, H/Hr shippers/Pumpkin Piers, it's time to hoist the sails and set sail for another tour of the Seven Seas. As the debut of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, the seventh and final installment of the Harry Potter Series, approaches, the shippers are coming out of hiding. Once again, the air is filled with cannon fire, canon fire, and love songs. Come and discuss this couple's fate as July approaches. The water's fine, and we're waiting for you!

Do you believe Hermione is the only one for Harry? Do you think that JKR always meant for them to be together? Or do you completely dismiss the possibility altogether? Well, get ready to discuss H/Hr's fate in the final book! So defend or destroy, but get talkin'!

Shannon
First Mate of the Seven Seas

It would be awesome for Harry and Hermione to be together!!!

Okay im a H/Hr shipper but the thing that i get stuck on is I think Hermione has a war going on in her head saying I love Ron but then a voice says But we bicker to much then another one say Then go for Harry then the other says But Ginny likes Harry.So i think thats just a struggle.Then its the same with Harry he can't decided who he likes best the girl hes been going to school with since his first year or then one he's been going to school with since the second year.

Ok I’ ve read what most people had to say and I must say your theories are interesting, so I’m sorry to say that I in no way agree that Hermione and Harry have or will ever have a relationship together. I had been thinking about it and I came to a conclusion that they will not end up together H/Hr is because J.K has never given us any reason at all in the books to believe that they have romantic feelings for each other and if I’m wrong someone can correct me. However with R/Hr she’s been giving us major clues that they are crazy for each other since the 3rd book for goodness sake!!!. Foe example Hermione was never jealous all those times Harry was going out with Ginny and Cho BUT as soon as Ron started dating lavender she became all bitter and would not even talk to him and whenever Hermione even talks to a boy Ron gets all and jealous. I Believe they both really like each other but they are both too embarrassed to say it so they cover it up with arguing all the time.

If anyone thinks I’m wrong I tell them give me at least one romantic moment that Harry and Hermione have shared and I’ll tell them the 100 moments Ron and Hermione have shared.

It's so H/G. J.K.R. said that it would be Ron/ Hermione. Harry and Hermione r just really great friends! Do people ever notice any of these?

I don't see any future in this ship, I'm sorry H/Hr shippers!

And it's true; Jo said that Hermione sees Harry just as if he is her brother.

For me it's Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny all the way to the end of the last book!