I also have to wonder, in the back of my mind, if Sirius actually loved someone but it was forbidden to even have thoughts of her. I am namely speaking of Lily. We do know that Sirius tended to "show off" a little bit more while she was around but knew that his best mate loved her dearly. He then backed off leaving Lily for James knowing that he could never see himself as married or coupled with anyone else.

I agree with you sabbi that runnning away from his home did play some part in his relationship with girls, but not completely though. Sirius was always the arogant one, it would be more of fangirls throwing themselves at him than him chasing after a girl. Even though he escaped his family "pure blood mania" but he is still a Black descenedent and have enough arogance to carry around for the rest of his life. It makes me curious why you thought sirius craved acceptance from his peers though, i hope you would elaborate more on that part because from what we know sirius & james were the ring leaders, it was more like wormtail craving acceptance from his peers to be part of the Marauders because he was weak, Or even lupin craving acceptance due to his abnormality. And lets remember that sirius was only 16 when he escaped from his home and he made his friends at their initial years at hogwarts way before he realised his family's "pure blood mania".

I concur there, and as they said it was dark and difficult times. No one trusted anyone even their shodow's which makes it difficult for anyone to create a relationship. Most of the people that were married at that time already knew each other from hogwarts: lily & James, the longbottoms, the malfoys, crabbe & goyle.

Yes, he did still have fire inside of him and i am glad he did lol. I like the theory your having it kind completes my theory of many girls throwing themselves at him, and he gets to choose as many as he wants lol, *pets sirius*.

Yes he did adopt them, or what i thought off was his friends where the people who made him realise the "Pure blood mania" issues in his family. And gave him enough courage and support to stand against his parents and state his views clearly upon them. As for Tonks Yea, but i feel sorry for her. She didn't have anything to do with it, it was her mom that was cutoff she just went with the flow.
And she certainly has a special bond with Sirius

I think we all wish that would happen, but unfortunately JKR did say she killed him. The only hope we have is for her to bring him back as a ghost *crossesfingers*


Thats a good speculation, but if there was any sort of feeling Sirius had on lily jkr would have stated something about it already atleast with a hint. I am not sure why she left sirius as single character, he's so lovable! Or maybe he did have someone and we'll find out more about it in the 7th book. Never under estimate JKR's creativity.

Yes! Yay! An agreement!

I do see it possible that Sirius may have been attracted to Lily, but perhaps it was nothing more than that. And, if he really did show off more when she was around, perhaps it was a little "friendly" competition between him and James. Even if Sirius didn't care whether or not Lily liked him, perhaps the whole point was to have her like him rather than James, since James was so intent on having her like him.

OMGOSH. Are you implying a Tonks/Sirius relationship? No way! I'm sorry, but that is one ship I find my self aiming the guns at! *beat to quarters, men! ready the canons! aim....FIRE!!!* Remember, they were family, and I think that was all the bond Sirius needed at this time in his life.

That is also very true. The more girls that Sirius had after him the more loved he felt, sorta thing. I just always thought it weird that it is said that Sirius is up for showing off a little more when Lily was around.

I have to agree with you on this one. I am not much to think that Sirius and Tonks had a romance going on between them. The sad thing is that there were a lot of wizarding families to marry cousins (look at Tom Riddles family...yuck) and JK has said herself that was one of the only ways to keep pure blood families going.c

Point taken. Yes, that is true that he made his friends when he first went to Hogwarts, but it links back to his family. Sirius wasn’t one of the most popular in his family as he despised the Dark Arts and the "pure blood mania" and therefore was unhappy. After he ran away, that need for being accepted for who he was and not fearing persecution for his opinion grew stronger, as did his bond with the rest of the Marauders. As you mentioned, he indeed was one of the ring leaders, no doubt a position that gave him the feeling that he had control over something.

I agree as well. I saw no indication in the books of a possible romantic relationship brewing between the two. I believe it was more of the family bond that made their relationship special.

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Nope i wasn't implying Tonks/Sirius relationship. I was merely stating that they did have a special bond between them whether it was friendship wise or family wise. But since you mentioned it yes i do ship the fact that i would rather have Tonks end up with Sirius or atleast someone with the exact same characteristics as Tonks. Its understandable that they are cousins and the idea sounds "Yucky", but knowing the wizarding world they were all intra-related at some point especially if your a pureblood, or if one of the parents is one. I can say some people do ship this idea and I've come across some that do ship sirius & bellatrix.So I guess it all comes down to every sirius fan and their prespective of the perfect mate for him. And we welcome all of the them at the SBFC.
If it came to me i would think i am the perfect mate for him ..but ofcourse we are discussing books and i am not in it, so back on topic .. I wonder who you ship

I like your speculation there.. he indeed was unhappy at home and his friends at school did give him the support as his second family as they grew up. *pokes voldermort* for breaking them apart and making them suspect one another. As much as sirius was unpopular in the in the dark arts and the "pureblood mania" he was popular for his anomalies in the black family. *shudders at the thought*.

Nope there wasn't anything brewing, unfortunately. But I loved what JKR implied for us in book 6.

Yeah, I think that a sirius/tonks relationship would just be weird b/c they're family.

I definitely agree that JK did a great job on that, though.

Sirius & Bellatrix could only been posible in the past, maybe before she entered the dark side, cuz I'm pretty sure that Sirius hates everything that has to do with the dark side, it reminds him too much of his own family.

He's such a black sheep..

Tonks & Sirius would look rather cool.. But the idea really sounds "Yucky" but I also agree that Sirius would only have dated someone with her character, she's strong, happy, young, she would be just perfect. But she's with Lupin I not in a million years I see Sirius letting his best friend down because of a girl..no matter which girl!!


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Yup!, if there was a Sirius/Bellatrix possibility it would have been at their younger ages, before she turned into the dark side.

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Originally Posted by Jo Tonks & Sirius

I always thought someone with Tonk's characteristics would definitely help sirius come out of imprisonment mood and come to his normal self again. She's also less mischevious than he is, which will be perfect for his ego & arogance.

Yeah cuz he seems to be a lil arogant, but he continue completely adorable I loved the 'almost fight scene' between him and Snape, the way that they atacked each other, its one of my fav Sirius scenes because he really show how doggy and dangerous he can be

Yeah, that's also one of my favourites. I think that it also shows that he cares very much about Harry, because all the fight started because he wanted to make sure that Snapes treats Harry well.

Some posts above you talked about Sirius/Tonks relationship ... I must agree that it would simply be strange, after all they're related ...
And Sirius/Bellatrix: I don't even want to think about that. I'd say that he absolutely loathes her, so there could never be a relationship.

That seen was wonderful! .. definitely show's you how sirius reacts to anyone trying to mess with family. *shnuggleshim*

*nods* Yes indeed. It would create a type of balance between the two, but I'm not sure about coming back to his normal self. I doubt that he would fully return to what one refers to as normal, not after all that he's experienced.

Thank you. Yes, that indeed was wrong for Voldemort to turn them against one another, but he embodies evil and doesn't care who gets hurt in the process of achieving his goals. They were just more pawns in his game. Hmm..I'm a bit confused by what you mean about his anomalies. Could you elabroate more on that please?

His anomalies are his rebels against his family and their traditions.

I think Hagrid gave Sirius back his bike and it may be in # 12 Grimmauld Place. I think Sirius may have left it with some one from the order. I think Sirius wasn't planning on being around after he confronted Peter. I don't think we saw half of #12 so it maybe squirraled away somewhere. If however the bike was turned over to Sirius's mother then I'm sure she would have gotten rid of it. I think Sirius who had many superfisal relationships were he would take a girl out with out any real connection. I think Sirius was not intrested in a permant relationship for 2 reasons. 1 He had such a unhappy home life and 2 Because of the world being in such upheval with Voldamort rein of terror. Sirius was sent to Azkaban right after James and Lily died.

Yes I think Harry could have reach Sirius with the mirror because I'm sure Sirius had the mirror with him all the time in case Harry needed anything. If Sirius didn't have it on him went he went to the Ministry it was because he knew Harry didn't have his.

I don't think you can come out of the veil. I think if you could Remus would know. I think Remus is highly educated maybe even by Dumbledore himself. This being the case if there was anything to be done Remus or Dumbledore would have done it. So yes its the end.

Yes, though I hate to say it.
Though I do believe that everything about Sirius isn't said or done.

That's a very good point, Judy. I actually didn't pay much attention to the effects that his unhappy family background might have had on his relationships, but it's definitely worth considering. That, the gloomy situation with Voldemort with its incoming fear and threats, and also Sirius' rather solitary nature may have coordinated this obvious lack of a steady partner. Or maybe he just never found the right girl to change his ways... it is a possibility, just like any other.

I do believe, however, that his personality would not have rejected the risk of loving someone, even in times of anguish for the wizarding world. The question remains directed towards the first part of his life, up to age 22, for once in Azkaban and after that experience, I don't know who could possibly have a mind open to romance..

I do believe that if Sirius hadn't gone to Azkaban that he would have found love of his own. I don't think he could have been around James, Lily and Harry and not felt love and wanted some of that for himself. I think when Sirius left Azkaban his main goal was to kill Peter. As Sirius spent his time watching Harry and his friend and seeing his old dear friend Remus that his heart softened. With out the terriors of Azkaban Sirius could feel love which I think is one of the spell over Hogwarts.

That's a really interesting thought - what if Sirius hadn't gone straight after Peter, and he wasn't imprisoned in Azkaban. Harry would probably have been left with him, but everything else would be the same, Harry would still be 'the boy who lived ' and famous for it. Would this have effected Harry? No doubt that raising Harry and being free in the wizarding world would have left him much more open to love and be loved.
My belief is that at 22, Sirius was sowing his wild oats, so to speak, he wasn't interested in anything serious, or rather, he jsut hadn't found the girl for him. He always was wilder than James. I think given time (especially if he had to look after Harry) he would have calmed and eventually found his love.
(haha, can you imagin Sirius looking after baby Harry? *Three Men and A Baby flashes in mind* )
Obviously, being practically a prisoner in his own home after his escape from Azkaban did nothing for his social life. I think the reason a lot of people are so keen to tie him to Tonks is because she is the only female character within his range that we know of. The Same For Bellatrix Lestrange - outside her,Lilly and Alice Longbottom, we don't know any of the other females who would have been around Sirius.
As for whether or not he's dead...I think he is dead, he wont come back to life and I don't think he'd choose to stay on as a ghost either. Saying that, however, I don't believe it's thel ast we've heard of him. I have a nagging suspicion there may be a portrait, or a letter or maybe even the mirror may come into play, I just don't know. I could be wrong, but I guess we'll have to wait to find out!
Laters,
LadyV

The biggest question revolving in Sirius fans' minds seems to indeed be: is he dead? Is the veil a one-way portal? Will he ever come back? There's a quite big fanbase on the Net sustaining that Dumbledore is not dead ~ I think most of us have heard of the website, in any case. Meanwhile in Sirius' case, it has been largely accepted that he is indeed dead. Jk Rowling herself said so. Now as Lady V states, I too don't think it is the last we will hear of Sirius Black. Even if not detailed, his fate will be clarified somehow - we have no reason to doubt that. after all, wishful thinking never hurt anyone

What many people fail to realize is that being dead does not mean being gone for good, vanishing from thought and memory, being wiped off the list of HP characters. I've been quite surprised to witness exactly this line of thinking - how can you love someone who's dead? Just like we cherish and continue loving our lost ones, or the great icons and figures of the past, and just like we may ourselves be remembered. We must draw a line and a distinctive one at that between 'dead' and 'forgotten'. Sirius will come back one way or another, it just won't be in some supernatural resurrection procedure. Jk mentions that you can't revive anyone. But in Sirius' case, I don't think there's the need - we keep him quite well and alive.

ooc: I realize this may be a somewhat unorthodox post, bu