'I kiiiiiiilled Sirius Black!'

How many times has this line haunted our dreams ever since the fifth movie?

Ok, ok, so I'm overreacting. But still. It's been uttered enough times in the fifth & sixth movie that it deserves a topic of its own. More specifically, this thread right here revolves around the dynamics of the relationship (if we can still call it that) between Bellatrix and Sirius.

Two kindred spirits? Unlikely. Two similarly gifted wizards fighting on different sides of the blade? Likely.

Was it really murder in the Death Room at the Ministry? The book offers a different account than the film, with the movies making it clear that Bellatrix indeed killed Sirius Black. Was Bella so ruthless that she could not only murder her cousin, but flaunt it in Harry's face? Supposing we all know the answer to that one, let's also ponder if Sirius would have also done the same. Would he have also killed Bella? Would he have relished it, even a little?

Can you envisage any scenario in which Bella and Sirius' relationship would have taken a different turn? Could they ever have been friends, or at least friendly with each other? Or were they doomed to hate each other?

The floor is yours.

*steps in dancing*
*apologizes for being absent for so long*

Well, a few years ago, there was this myth going by, that Bellatrix and Sirius had some kind of love relationship.

I don't buy it.

Seriously, I think Sirius relationship with Bellatrix was the same the had with his parents. She was part of his family but that didn't mean anything to him because she worshiped the wrong man.

I think she is, at least in the movies, completely twisted, and indeed killed Sirius and actually enjoyed it. But I don't see him ever being capable of doing that to her, killing her and bragging about it, because he was full of Dumbledore's ultimate weapon - love.

SO... yes, they were doomed to hate each other. Only if Bellatrix had a revelation and found her inner goddess, joined the DA, fought Voldy and called Harry a sweetie, only if all those things happened Sirius would consider feeling something more than hate for her.

Ok so this is going to sound prity wierd but i think that belatrix liked to folow rules and do what was expected of her (which might sound wierd because we all think of her as the crazy lady who went around kiling people). They both came from families where they where expected to be evil and so Bellatrix did just that, and while most people, even Voldemorts closest followers where somewhat afraid of Voledort she didn't even seem to think that any of the things that he was doing where twisted. One oft he things that i find especially strange about Bellatrix is how much she really seams to enjoy hurting other people, and how much she is devoted to Voldemort.

Sirius was allot different than her in many ways and i don't think that they ever would have been good friends. Sirius never minded breaking rules and he always looked past what he was supposed to be doing and did what was right

By the way i think that the actress who played Bellatrix in the movie did an amazing job of showing how crazy Bellatrix is.

Hmm, I doubt that any love ever existed between each other. They were both on the opposite sides of the wizarding continuum. She worshiped Voldie, Pure-blooded bigotry, annihilation of 'Mudbloods" and so on... He, on the other hand, followed Dumbledore's teachings of cooperation and tolerance amongst all brethren of our world, equality and 'Love thy neighbor'.

I doubt that they could have a friendly tea party, without it turning into a duel of some kind. Both were quite 'hot blooded', easy to irk and rile... lack of maturity in both parties. Though, come to think of it, Bella was a bit more prone to 'obey' her Master than Sirius was. Sirius would have chided her ruthlessly for it. He himself was a rule breaker, a rebel... a loose canon if you will. He loved to provoke, which would undoubtedly get Bella ranting and raving mad. And he did it for the sheer pleasure of it. (I suspect that during their youth, some altercations had happened to fuel this rivalry.)

So no love loss between those two.

Ok, I doubt that Bella and Sirius ever got along on a "friendly" level, from what Sirius said in book 5 their relationship was full of hate and deceit. They would never get along, which was proven in book 5, which leads me to believe that even if things were different they still would never be close as cousins are.

Now as for Bella flaunting the death in Harry's face, well I felt like hurting her through the screen. I mean they changed it so much from the book that it hurt worse watching it in the movie. I give Harry props though for having as much pain and suffering to want to hurt her for what she did.

So yeah there'll never be love between those two; even if he did survive it'd be the same.

I agree with all of you on this. I believe they were doomed to hate eachother til the end... which is basically what happened. Sirius could never have gotten along with her after all of the horrible things that she had done, torturing the Longbottoms while they were Order members I think sealed the deal. Sirius was too good a person to have loved someone so twisted.

As for |Bella flaunting in Harry's face that she killed him.... pretty much sums up the fact that she is a twisted individual. I am glad that she got hers in the end. God bless Molly Weasley!

There is no way that Bellatrix and Sirius could have ever been close. No way whatsoever. They both stand for two totally opposite things. After Bellatrix killed Sirius she was proud of it, even flaunting it in front of Harry with her little song. If things had been the opposite and Sirius had killed Bellatrix, I am fairly certain that he wouldn't have flaunted it to anyone like that. That doesn't seem his style. Bellatrix is a case onto herself. Totally unique.

Nuff said.

Ha. No way did those two ever feel anything remotely close to a friend relationship towards each other, much less any feelings of affection. They believed in two completely different things. From the start, Sirius didn't approve of the Dark Lord and thought it all nonsense, while Bellatrix had already pledged her loyalty. The two simply couldn't get along.

After she had killed Sirius, of course she wanted to brag. She hated him after all. Bellatrix wanted to share to everyone that she was tough and that she had killed her own cousin. She was proud of it and viewed it as an accomplishment.

Sirius... he would never have done that. He's more humble. And he wouldn't have viewed killing Bellatrix has an accomplishment. More of a.... can't remember the word... HAHA. xD Chris: necessity? But yeah, he wouldn't have thought of it as something to be proud about. Bellatrix enjoys killing people, while Sirius didn't. So it's more than natural for Bella to want to brag about it while Sirius didn't, for they both have different views about how 'good' or 'bad' killing people is.

Although Sirius hated the Death Eaters and Voldemort, he would never kill anyone. He believed in what Dumbledore believed in, even though they had their differences. So, I don't think that Sirius would have killed her, if it was up to him. He would fight her, hurt her, and even brag about it, too. But, Sirius was not a killer.

She really was a twisted psycho, even Voldemort wasn't as crazed as she was. Even though they were related by blood, I think their alike-ness ended there. Even Regulus didn't want to do Voldemort's bidding, so Sirius' family might not have been the ultimate death eater type. It's their choices that led them to which side of the war they were on.

Also, Sirius was the kind of person who put no stock into family and relations. So, definitely no love between the two.

I don't think I can really see a situation in which Bellatrix and Sirius could have even had a friendship or loved each other as cousins. Bellatrix is just SO different from Sirius. Bellatrix is much too dark, and has done way to many dark things for me to see Sirius and her as companions EVER. It just doesn't fit.

I think Sirius would kill her in the battle, with the knowledge of all the bad things that she's done to so many good people and with the fact that she could do the same to many more people, in mind. I don't see Sirius as the type that would have flaunted it though. I don't think he would have been very proud about it... not at all.