No, this is not a topic centred on speculation on Sirius' love life or his incredibly striking good looks as a youngster. I know, shock.

In the words of Linda, the initiator of the topic, you can discuss and debate the following:


So what's your take on the story of a young boy called Sirius?

Okay, I suggested this topic so I will start.

We know that Sirius spent a lot of time with his three female cousins when he was a boy, at least I would speculate that he did (for the sake of argument). I'm pretty sure that he and Bella were at cross purposes all the time, they really didn't care for one another and I think Bella made Sirius' life really hard with her caustic comments and vicious ways, even as a little girl. Narcissa was a little softer, yet she always followed in her big sister's footsteps so she probably pretty much ignored Sirius, or maybe she threw a nasty comment his way now and then, as well. The sister I think he got along well with was Andromeda. The reasons are pretty obvious. Both Sirius and Andromeda were outcasts from the Black family, neither really fit the mold and both ended up being kicked out of the family tree later on, for different reasons. So they were both rebels in their own way, and I would speculate that Sirius and Andromeda were probably good friends, probably got along quite well together and confided in each other.

That's my opinion!

Agreed. Bellatrix was definitely the most cruel of the three cousins, having killed Sirius in the fifth book and everything. She would have been the hardest for Sirius to be around.

Narcissa may have also been hard to get along with - but she definitely might have shown some mercy towards Sirius - when Bellatrix was not looking, that is!

Andromeda. We do not know much about her, but I would guess that she was Sirius' best friend when he was growing up. The two of them probably hatched dozens of plans to get back at Narcissa and Bellatrix when they were tormenting them.

Well, Bella was definitely a little bully xD I think Siri and Bella were those types of just hate relationships when they don't get along at all. Constant blaming, constant bothering. Narcissa I always saw almost as a bystander. Yeah, shes in Slytherin, but I think she had at least some sense of a soul and right and wrong I see her staying quietly behind, but backing Bella up anyway. Or perhaps her sense of morality came with Draco, who knows

Andromeda was definitely his closest, as he himself revealed in OOTP. I guess those two must have been similar deep down, both rebels, both against the whole pureblood mania of the Black family, both nothing but burns in the family tree.

As for Bella, I always supposed that as children they must have had a love/hate kind of relationship, up until Sirius started to truly be disgusted by his family's antics. If you think about it, Bella and Sirius are more alike than they would have liked... they're both incredibly talented, passionate, slightly unbalanced (in Sirius' case, Bella is far beyond the level of 'slightly' ), complex people. They both went to Azkaban for their beliefs, different as they were, and there's no doubt that if Sirius had embraced Voldemort's ways, he would have been just as high up (if not higher) in his ranks as Bella.

Then again, it's just like Dumbledore says, the choices we make define who we are, far more than our abilities. And that's what sets Sirius apart from Bella, undoubtedly.

Err...

I actually think Bella and Sirius got along perfectly [well, as much as kids their age get along anyway] Perhaps the competitive streak stirred up drama...but soon enough, I can see them up and about together again. Together as in... "You have cooties and I'll act like I hate you buttt goshhhh, I can't stop hanging around you!" Most of my cousins who I loved to hang around growing up...turned into cocky and cruel suckers who I hate. =X

I always wonder about Andromeda...though I assume she just kept to herself. As for Narcissa, I can definitely see her buying into everything Siry and Bella said and acting like their little slave. Well, not slave...Just their gullible follower.

You have to take into consideration that...kids at the age we're speaking of...despite what they may pick up from their parents...still have innocent attributes when left alone.

You know I've been thinking about this recently when I saw OoTP again for the tenth time and I think actually he was close to Bella nad Andromeda, but in different ways.

Bellatrix - They were both bullies and he probably learned some stuff from her, while torturing their cousins and other family members, or even the house elfs. While sirius knew it was bad (he's always been a good boy at heart) he was just glad to have someone to bully along with, before he met the other marauders.

Andromeda - Was both sweet and caring from what I gathered in the books and the wiki, so I think she tried in vain at times to get Bella and Siri to calm down and it worked to a point with Siri, seeing as how he was kind enough and true enough to himself as he grew older. Depending on how old we're talking here, she could be like an sister to him, comforting him when Bella got to him or even the other school kids (assuming there's a wizarding school for children before the age of 11 because I highly doubt they'd go to a muggle school)

Narsissa - The evilest one in my opinion thought it's probably due to the fact she was raised to be hateful of half bloods etc. I think she enjoyed bullying Siri along with Bella, though at times she'd be nice to him and vise versa. She knew what she was doing and she enjoyed every minute of it. I think they had a love-hate relationship, though in a way I could see them getting along greatly too, each one trying to out do the other in affection and understanding.

As for who he got along with the best ... in the long run I think it was Andromeda, we saw how well he was with tonks and as we all know Tonks is Andromeda's daughter and we also know that Tonks is wise, true to herself and compassionate. Which is the same for her mother Andromeda. So those two would have a deeper meaningful relationship. I could definitely see them swarming Bella and Narcissa, trying to get them to become good.

I don't know...

I see her as keeping to herself, really. I don't know why...but she doesn't seem the type to buy into any of the crap Bella & Cissa were into (Which I still believe were pranks/jokes much like we all used to make as kids --nothing too intense) and I don't see her as giving Sirius enough attention to satisfy him. We all knew how Bella was such an attention-seeker so she'd defo take pride in how Sirius was so intrigued and up for any "adventures" she may come up with.

What are the age differences among all three of them?

Whoa. Dunno why but the age differences strike me. 9 years separating Sirius & Bella? o_O

This actually makes me think even less than I used to that they got along as youngsters. Actually, they were all rather older than Sirius, even Narcissa... it just makes things different for me.

However, since it's canon and all, I maintain that Andromeda was Sirius' favourite cousin, and they must have got on the best as cousins throughout the years.

Narcissa, I think, was the one Sirius had least contact with, or affection for. As for Bella, it's always been such a disputed relationship... you can't get to that level of hate that they (esp. Bella) seem to harbour for another without having former affection, or even love, to spawn it. I think that Bella sensed what a brilliant and apt wizard Sirius would turn out to be, with many qualities that she herself shared (including their tempestuous temper, and crazy dedication to their respective causes), and might have tried and tried to persuade him into Voldie's side. Once she realised there was absolutely no use, she must have given him up for good, and included him in her 'enemies' list.

There was this FF that I read some time ago, based on the lives of the cousins (Andromeda's perspective) and the Black family, which I thought was brilliant. Best FF I've ever read, prolly. If anyone's interested, I'd love to share it with you's

Errr, yeah. Nine years definitely means you should disregard my earlier comments. xD

BUT. I still don't think Sirius and Andromeda were best buddies. She just seems too...sweet and safe to habour much of Sirius' attention. I don't think of him in that manner as a youngster. He probably cared about her and admired her..but I doubt they hung out...much at all. He'd get his wakeup call later, I'm sure. Just not quite at the time.

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I know what you mean about Andromeda. Their temperaments seem so different that he prolly took some time in labelling her 'his fave cousin'. But she was prolly the one who treated him best, and I'm sure Sirius would never forget that.

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I pretty much agree with what most of you have said but here's my two cents anyway...

Bellatrix - Sirius and Bella were not close at all. They may not have been enemies as they grew up, but it is my personal opinion that when she was younger, Bellatrix experimented with painful magic and I think Sirius may have got the bad end of that. In return, I'm sure Sirius did all he could to return the favor, thus creating a lot of hate that carried over into their adulthoods.

Narcissa - I think Sirius and Bella just weren't connected. There was nothing really good or bad between them, except for Sirius probably not liking how she followed Bella around. Narcissa wouldn't have done anything to Sirius, but she wouldn't have befriended him either, and I think Sirius was content to leave it that way.

Andromeda - When you grow up, it's common to feel a connection with someone who you can talk to and see things from their point of view. Andromeda was Sirius' friend by default. Maybe if Bella and Narcissa were kind and considerate and good friends, Sirius wouldn't have given Andromeda a second glance. However, I would bet that Sirius' mother and Andromeda's parents tried to keep those two apart so they couldn't influence each other in "negative" ways.


Sirius' Mother - I don't think this needs any explaining. Even his mother's House Elf hated him, a reflection of Mrs. Black's feelings towards her son.

Bella-->Bullies her sister and fights with Sirius. Tells on him when he does anything fun

Narcissa--> Mini Bella, timid shadow of her sister.

Andromeda-->wants to love her family but believes their opinions are wrong, befriends Sirius despite the age difference and tells him his parents are wrong about purebloods

Sirius--> I don't think that its possible for Sirius to grow up not despising muggles, most kids look up to their parents and i don't think he could have been much different but after someone planted the idea in his head muggles and muggle-borns are ok ( most likely Andromeda ) his ideas about them had a dramatic change

Regulus--> May have been Siriuses friend as a young child but after that...definitely not. Obviously...

Thanks for reading my POV on it.

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I never ended up telling you that I read that...and I'd have sent you a PM buttt maybe I can convince others to read it as well by doing this.

Nowwww. Everyone knows [well, with everyone who was around when I used to read/review Fanfics on SS]...I'm veryyyy picky about the FF's I read. A bad fanfic can ruin my perception about something in the HP world forever...and so, I'm also veryy harsh when I read stuff. x] Not that I'm rude about it....Just my mode of thinking while reading. If you ever catch me reading a fanfic from start to finish...do know that it'll be flippin' amazing.

So....it's veryy rarely that I find a fanfic I can connect with or that I actually enjoy. Butt, just let me tell you a thing or two about this one. Minus the fact that the writer of it is freakin' AMAZING and she can twist and turn things like a freakin' shapeshifter, she has nearly EVERY character head-on. Even just the every day lifestyle of the purebloods blew me away. They're all teens during this and we all kind of suspect how everyone reacts...but honest...everything is flawless.

OMG. And...the little love delimma between Andromeda and Ted is too cute for words. Not to mention realistic in so many ways as well.

POINT: It's amazing and you *points to all of you* should click on the link and just try to read. Chris definitely wasn't lying when she said that it was worth every minute's read.

-flies into this discussion SUPER late. but, we need to discuss sirius because it's fun. XD-

OK WOW. I had always figured Bella and Sirius would have gotten along a little onces, you know, prior to Hogwarts, but I never knew he and Bella were at such a big age gap. 9 years? Wow, didn't realize that. Anyways.

In that case, I don't think Sirius and Bellatrix ever really got along. By the time Bellatrix hit Hogwarts, she probably became too wrapped up in herself to even care about a little cousin like Sirius. So I doubt they really had much interaction at all. Then of course, Sirius went to Hogwarts, went Gryffindor, and then he was eternally hated after that. X3 So in that case, I don't think there was EVER any kind of loving relationship with Bella.

I do like what Chris pointed out though. If you look behind the fact that one is good hearted and one is flat out evil, they ARE very similar. Both so talented, so ambitious. They both have to be in the thick of everything. That's another reason I think they probably wouldn't have gotten along even if they BOTH were Death Eaters or members of the Order of the Phoenix (pshhhh, yeah right... but yeah). They are so hard headed and so strong willed that they would have constantly been trying to beat the other out for a spot at the top.

That Bella-Sirius friendship relationship was SOOOO never meant to be. XD

THEN. We move down to Andromeda. As everyone said, I think Sirius genuinely liked her. I mean, he definitely looked up to her secretly. Liked how she resisted her family like he wanted to. I don't think there was ever like a, deep friendship there. But I definitely think they connected more than any of the other of the Black relatives. -nods-

And I am totally going to read that FF! -foams at the mouth- I lurve everything related to the Black family. :3 -clickyclicky-


AND THEN THERE WAS ONE! Narcissa. This is the relative in which I think there was the most potential. Deep down, I really do think Narcissa has a good heart. She is cloest to Sirius in age so they could relate to each the most. She was just TOO scared of her family and wasn't the free spirit that Sirius was. -shrug-

I think if she had just a bit more bravery, then she and Sirius have have really gotten along well. More so than Cissy's other two siblings at least.


IDK. My perception is often off. But I spend a lot of time thinking about the Black Family tree. Maybe one of these days JK will unleash more. I would LURVE such.

I think that the four of them probably got on well. At that age they probably didn't understand the prue-blood mania of the rest of the family too much. Life isn't complicated for children like it is for adults. Bellatrix and Sirius may have even got together and played jokes on Andromeds and Narcissa. I think things only really changed after Sirius started at Hogwarts because up until then the family thought he would be like the rest of them and end up in Slytherin. When Sirius was sorted onto Gryffindor we know that changed everything, that's probably when things between him and his cousins changed into something like what it was in the HP books. That's just my opinion.