In this case, I have to say that Harry lives. We could actually have a real death for our dear Sirius (going back to the voices once more)

I like Chris' idea in that Harry has already fought and overcome the Horcruxes at this point. This would make it tooooooo long!

Now this is one that I'm stuck on! *thinks* I'll get back to you on this one!


Once Sirius gets out of the veil, what about having the final battle at Godric's Hallow? I think Harry will end up at this place sometime and then we could have Sirius tell Harry a litttle more about his family if we wanted too.

Harry! By far!! Let the good win!

I have seen that some of the clubs are sharing the writing and I think that is a wonderful idea! It gets everyone helping and I'm up for that! *checks Aria's name for writing*

I agree!!


The veil is an interesting way to die and I think we need an interesting way for Sirius to escape! *thinks back to Shirtless Sirius once more* That could help him get out of anything!

As far as Regulus goes, what if we just have Harry say something about Regulus helped with finding one of the horcruxes and then that could be a surprise to Sirius and he could realize that his brother tried to help in some way. *luffs her Regulus*

I have to say that I have not watched LoTR!

what was your question, mah luff??


Yes to all!!!

hehe! we have to be careful with Muggles seeing the fight! And I do say let's have Sirius be seen if we do it this way. That way he can talk to Harry and encourage Harry to use the 2 way mirror! and to fix it!

ARG! I've missed mucho!

Okay, so... if the Horcruxes will be too tediuos then we really don't need to focus on R.A.B do we?

Or do we want to?????

I personally don't think that he should come back... he's been dead along time... and mer... yeah.

You with your quesitons. *Shakes head* heehee.

True that since we changed to the LotR style, then they should be able to be seen.... that way they can say their good byes at the end face to face.

I definately think good should win. Harry lives is fine by me! Definately a changed man though... bruises that are more than skin deep you know???? I always imagine him becoming this uber hard person... like... intimidating and uber powerful. I think that he would be the next greatest and most powerful wizard....

I've been thinking about that too... how we should get them out...

I'll need to think more on that, but what if the fates, or the gods or whatever, stepped in... you know? Like they saw what was happening and Sirius was the only link they had to the World of the living that would not cause any comsic shift in balance and if he led the army of the most recently departed that would be good... the gods could then put a stop to those souls from passing on and Limbo could pile up with more and more souls until it's like... army size...

Then the Gods open up the portal and let them through giving Sirius certain conditions... and so on.

Like the Gods saw Voldemort's power and didn't like it.... you know???


As for where, a lot of clubs I'm in have been deciding on Godric's Hollow.... and I'm not averse to it. I do think that the battle should be on Harry's terms since Voldemort is usually the one deciding on when, where, how... and all that... you know???

Oh, but if we mention the Horcruxes, even only briefly we should know what all of them are.... we know about the cup, the snake and the locket, but what of the last one...????

I've been talking with other FCs and we're using my theory in some about the last Horcrux.... *cough*


Oh, Zyra... I don't know about the moment... I personally like your idea, but I don't think that Regulus should be in the story really.... However, if you want, I think you could always write the Harry/Sirius moment....

But we still have to talk about the Regulus coming back thing... if he does, then maybe you can have your moment.... heehee.


I think we've actually got a lot on the veil right about now. I'll be back in a bit to post everything that we've figured out in a more organized fashion! Heehee

Agree there!

That could work, it's definitely a place with lots of significance for Harry, and yeah, it would be cool for Voldie to be defeated there again

But then where do Sirius & the spirits 'emerge'? Directly in the mid of battle or... at the veil and find their way to Harry and the battle?

Oh yes, indeed. -dreams of writing the Adventures of Shirtless Sirius-

I tend to agree... I did like Zyra's Harry/Regulus moment, but I don't really think he should come back, as well. I kinda thought everyone else that came back was sort of important collectively, not individually. Just like in RoTK, where only the King of the Dead is well given a sort of identity; the rest are just making up an army.

*pokes you to go watch it*

Oh, about whether Sirius and the rest should be seen or not. Heh, I got confuddled



I agree, yesh.

About the Gods intervening.... I do like the idea, but not in HP lore, you know? There hasn't been really much talk at all about religion or spirituality in that real sense in the books, and Idk, I'd rather we didn't. That's just my POV, though.

We do need to think of a way to have that 'portal' opened. But how? Hmmm. I read the other day JK saying in an interview that one can definitely not come back from the dead, but in book 7, we'll see just how close one can get. So this tehnically could have smth to do with these Deathly Hallows. But fascinating as they may be, I reckon it would take lots of time to figure them out.

I'll think abt this some more and get back to y'all. If anyone comes up with ways of opening up the portal & bringing Sirius and the souls in, pleaseeee post it

Ah, yesh, we could mention them, at least passingly, to describe how Harry has got to where he got. Final battle and all. So what's your theory? =D

And one other thing... what powers exactly would Sirius and the army possess? I mean, would they be more powerful than one's usually brilliant wizard (in Sirius' case )? They are supposed to influence the battle a great deal, so I'm thinking they should rely on something more rather than just instilling fear in the DE's. Maybe dunno they could serve as a diversion... distracting/scaring the baddies long enough for Harry to tackle Voldie. Yes? No? Whatever? XD

Hmm I just have an Idea for the location.. how bout the death realm.. that way Sirius ´don't have to come back - he just have to stay put. That way we could James, Lilly and a lot of others participating - and we could have some evil Death Eaters too.

EDIT: And we could drop the limbo if Sirius was just dead

NEW THOUGHT: What if the Deathly Hallows were the entrance to the Death Realm - that would work wouldn't it?! And it fit with the thing JK says about getting close to death, eh, eh....

Just tell me what'cha think!

Oh and I would like to write too

Well, yeah, I know there really isn't ever a focus. It was just an idea. If we used the Fates, it wouldn't be uber religious and it would still make sense.

What about that? It's more cosmic, magical forces, less higher power bit. You know???

I'm still thinking about how to bring them out if we don't want to do the fates thing.... Maybe some kind of blood ritual or equivalent exchange thing.... Thus the portal could open up at a preordained point... let's say Godric's Hollows for now.... and thus they would enter the battle.

I think that, much like in LotR, they cannot be killed because they are already dead. That gives the good sidea reasonable advantage. And since they are dead, they don't have wands, but their souls might be more connected with the magic within the earth, thus they could do more things and are more powerful without needing a wand.


Well... there is a problem here. We've made a lot of headway already and this would pretty much re-write the story we have thus far and we would have to re-think a bunch of stuff.

I also think that for any living person to get into a Realm of the Dead, they would have to die and hope they could be brought back to life...

Also, it's too convient for the final battle to come to Sirius. The battle revolves around Harry and Voldemort not Sirius.

Plus, why would Voldemort want to go to a Death Realm when his ultimate goal has been power and immortality.

Also, this would negate the whole.... advantage for the Order because then there would be Death Eaters and other dark wizards that would also be there and ultimately unkillable.

Also, how would you get a whole army of living Order members there????

Again, not to say this isn't a good idea...

It just basically.... puts the entire story we've all come up with collectively in the trash bin because we would have to start rethinking a lot and it's already July and we haven't even started deciding on a writing system... et cetera.


Erm.... yeah. I don't know.

But I think that our main focus now is how to get Sirius and his army of the dead to the battle field. Also, what the Horcruxes are and the epilogue. I think that's pretty much it...

Then we could discuss the each chapter in detail, come up with summaries and titles and hten divvy out what chapter each writer writes.... and so on....

hmm I get the idea of we would have to re-do the whole thing *stupid me XD*

I'm still wondering about the army, I mean how does he get it?

I was thinking that maybe Sirius is indeed dead. We didn't have to change much in the story just that he was contacting Harry from the Realm of Death. I don't get the whole limbo thing now, actually. If Sirius was in this limbo where would he get this army? I mean if he was indeed dead he, along with other dead wizards, could join the fight.

Why isn't Sirius in the dead realm and Harry somehow contacts him. We could say that Harry was looking for Regulus (R.A.B) in order to get information about the Hocrux and somehow the 'receptionist' found the wrong Mr Black. I just can't get the army thing to fit with the limbo.

And seriously I don't know why it's only the good side who should get the advantage of cool undead warriors...



Oh and just a thought on the ending.. how bout Harry doesn't die but he defeats voldemort and becomes the new Dark Lord... *ish in love with evil.. should I seek therapy?*

Actually Bella did not cast the killing curse on Sirius. She cast a curse that gave off red light, not green and Sirius' face was surprised, but still alive while he fell through the veil.

Sirius doesn't have tattoos in the book. I don't ever remember reading anything about them. I think it was just in the movies.


Well, I was thinking it is very empty. Bleak and dark... sort of like... nothingness. Black fog... nothing, empty, echoing space.


The army, as I said earlier, what could happen... perhaps fate plays a hand and stops those from passing on completely. My idea was that since Sirius only fell through the veil, he is still attatched to the physical living world and his spirit hasn't detatched itself from his body, thus he is stuck in this strange empty limbo... a stasis between living and being dead.....

I don't think it should be a portal exactly to Godric's Hollow...I think that would be too convient. Plus that viel has been there for so long, but whenever it was created, why would they link it to Godric's Hollow?????

It just seems to convient. I think that the place where Sirius and the army are... it's parallel to where the living world is. This is still seems convient, but I think that... it just seems less contrived.

I actually agree that they should be seen.

It makes more sense and it would be brilliant to write the Death Eaters reactions to seeing this army of the dead... you know?

Also, I just don't think it would be as impactful for them to not be seen.


It's not that it was stupid... just inconvient. It is July already.

I explained this above.... actually twice now. Basically, I think the best way to bring Sirius back temporarily in a sensible way, I think you need a higher power to have a hand in it. Not necessarily a god or goddess... but a higher power of some kind.

Basically... they get there due to intervention of some kind.

As explained above, his body is a physical attatchment and is keeping him in stasis. He can't move forward or backwards.

He gets help from some other force... comsmic, magical.... and so on.

It fits the way we've been going through it....

How would this receptionist thing going to plan out?

Because Fate could see that the Dark Lord is gaining power... the power is shifting in balance, the forces aren't aliegned. And really... Voldemort will have werewolves, giants, trolls and so on... it's not that it's unfair because we already agreed that the Order wins. Also, it happened that way in LotR. The good side was almost positive they were going to loose.... The Order could feel the same and then... suddenly, here they come while Harry and Voldemort duel.

We already said Harry wasn't going to die.

Also, I don't think that would ever happen without thoroughly corrupting Harry's soul....

He is far too pure and the war would only harden him and fuel his cause to make the world better.



We really do need to get started. I think that what we had earlier was really good...

I think most of the issues or questions have to do with limbo. It's not too complex really. But I don't think we have a lot of time to start new ideas if we want to get this finished by the deadline, which I've heard was July 15th.

Yes, Sirius is dead even though he's not.. umm in the same place. I mean, well, struggling between the two worlds, but either way, more dead than alive.

So his army.. does he get it from the 'Dead realm' or the limbo? Or we agreed that Sirius is the only one in the limbo? -is a today-

I rather like this idea. And yes, umm, the only way I see is for the army to be either beyond the limbo aka really dead, or souls trapped just like Sirius, who need this opportunity to fight in order to be granted passage to the other side, to find their peace etc.

Yes, you should

And even though I know what you mean, being fascinated with the dark side myself, if we make Harry the Dark Lord, it would rather hugely shift the focus from Sirius. Even if he wins the battle, how could he ever have peace of mind knowing his godson is now playing with the bad boys?

I do like the idea of the Fates better than the Gods. Hmm, we have to find a way to fit this in, though, without actually Idk placing a big emphasis on their supernatural ability. Dunno, I would have preferred for Harry to discover a way of bringing Sirius back to battle, or for Voldie to open up a passageway portal thingie, and instead of getting out what he wanted, an army of souls prances out to help his nemesis. Idk.. this is confuddling

So do we get the souls and Sirius out at the Department of Mysteries? And they umm find their way to the battle? Or if anyone has a better idea, puhlease do

I agree that they should be seen. Perhaps we can write how the DE's both see & feel them, their presence, in order to get a greater reaction, scare them off etc.