Love in OotP

[melissarw]

Yay people are talking about fun stuff!!

I'm a full supporter of H-R I was just suprised that no one had said anything about anyone else in ages...I'm more of a H-R than a H-G fan.

[EmmaRiddle]

Snpae has not seen Harry in any oter light. What makes you think that soemthing will happen soon to change that?

He wont view him differently, ever, but he risks his life for him, in a sense, through being in the order. He doesn't have to like/understand/appreciate him, to be able to die for him.

And one thing, why do people always write it like R/Hr, the man first?, the feminist in me gets POed by that, lol.

I dont know about anyone else, but the 'R' key on my board is closer to me than the 'H' so that's why Ron ends up first.

And on a last note, Hermione is not even attracted to Ron anyway.

I dont think she is either. However, she does become rather jealous of Luna's open affections toward Ron in OoP. That doesn't mean she likes him, but it's an indication of how she may feel about him.

But he did warn Dumbledore about Voldemort going after the Potters.

He also notified the Order and Dumbledore about the DoM and Sirius, when Harry shouted at him from where he was apprehended by Draco and Umbridge.

[Luz]

I might be scooped up into the H/L boat OR the R/L boat...sooo get your ents out...I'm loosing faith in Hr/H..though i will AWLAYS love the thought of these two comming together!

A little unwanted advice: don't ship and if you do then take it lightly. Shipping can be painful even if you get the pairing you want it might not happen the way you wanted it. Which happens frecuently, you spend your time thinking of how perfect those two characters are for eachother, and images come to your mind of them together and how it would be when they finally realize they lurve eachother. And then you see the real stuff and it doesn't come close.
Currently it might seem like you're gonna burst into flames if they don't get together, you think "oh gosh!, i would die if they end up with someone else". But you don't, life goes on after it's all over, and ten years later you'll remember and wonder "was i ever that obsessed?".

[EmmaRiddle]

Originally posted by Luz@Apr 27 2004, 06:02 PM

A little unwanted advice: don't ship and if you do then take it lightly. Shipping can be painful even if you get the pairing you want it might not happen the way you wanted it. Which happens frecuently, you spend your time thinking of how perfect those two characters are for eachother, and images come to your mind of them together and how it would be when they finally realize they lurve eachother. And then you see the real stuff and it doesn't come close.
Currently it might seem like you're gonna burst into flames if they don't get together, you think "oh gosh!, i would die if they end up with someone else". But you don't, life goes on after it's all over, and ten years later you'll remember and wonder "was i ever that obsessed?".

That is a very good point, but I just know I will be devastated if G/H get together. I guess I built myself up for that. My fault.

[cooly_s]

Originally posted by melissarw@Apr 27 2004, 10:06 AM
I'm a full supporter of H-R I was just suprised that no one had said anything about anyone else in ages...I'm more of a H-R than a H-G fan.

Well, I think that Harry is going isn't going to end up with Ginny nor with hermione, nor with Luna (although he might fit well with Luna )... I think that maybe J.K.Rowling might come in with a new character, and that may be Harry's POSSIBLE "girlfriend"...

[madmiss88]

Originally posted by Luz@Apr 27 2004, 01:23 AM

The thing is, i think Snape will try to redeem himself with Harry, but it would be with deadly consecuences.
Honestly i think Snape is a greasy, slimy, hateful git. But he did warn Dumbledore about Voldemort going after the Potters. So he is not evil *evil*, people aren't divided into saints, and devils. So he could die doing something good in the end. I really can't imagine him falling in lurve, or anyone falling for him for that matter.

I agree. I can't see him falling in love, though I feel that he did in the past and had his heart broken. I don't think he would let himself become that vulnerable again and risk being hurt, ever.

I also think he will do something to help Harry, seeing as he owes James his life... and that life debt could be passed on to Harry. There was something significant in James saving him from the werewolf (Remus). Do you guys think that he will have any pity for Harry losing Sirius>? Even though he hated him so much?...

I think that maybe J.K.Rowling might come in with a new character, and that may be Harry's POSSIBLE "girlfriend"...

Yeah but she spent like 4 books building up his feelings for Cho, only to kiss her in 5. I think it's too late to bring in such a massive character and that Luna's introduction in the last book could fulfil this spot. I don't think there will be another character added to the friends group at this late stage.. those 6 will be the main ones from now on. But then again, we never know.

[EmmaRiddle]

Do you guys think that he will have any pity for Harry losing Sirius>? Even though he hated him so much?...

No. I dont think he'll cut him any slack really.

I think it's too late to bring in such a massive character and that Luna's introduction in the last book could fulfil this spot.

I feel exactly the same. 2 books is only just enough to fulfill Luna's potential properly, so it's nowhere near enough to develop a new character, have her befriend Harry and date him.

[Baby Norbert]

I know harry had a crush on Cho for a long time but I don't think they will end up together i think she was put in this for an other reason...

[Luz]

That is a very good point, but I just know I will be devastated if G/H get together. I guess I built myself up for that.  My fault.

I'm confused, you'll be devastated if they do or if they don't?. I know the phrase is clear but i get the feeling it could be a typo.

I feel exactly the same. 2 books is only just enough to fulfill Luna's potential properly, so it's nowhere near enough to develop a new character, have her befriend Harry and date him.

Well, J.K has demostrated she can bring in a character and make us (And Harry) like her in no time, like Luna and Tonks. And i'm not talking about fancy, i'm talking about just liking, in a totally 'lacking of romantic implications' way.
So i don't think introducing a character in just one book would be a problem, with Cho it was lurve at first sight. Although it wasn't really since they didn't really know eachother, more like a crush. She just showed up out of nowhere and there was a brief explanation of who she was and Harry was struck numb.
But still there are kind of enough prospects to bring in someone else, and it might be difficult to get Harry to open to someone new.
It would be kind of silly to bring in one character just with the purpose of being Harry's love interest. I don't think J.K would invent someone just as a plot device for romance.

[EmmaRiddle]

I'm confused, you'll be devastated if they do or if they don't?. I know the phrase is clear but i get the feeling it could be a typo.

Devastated, if G/H got together.

totally 'lacking of romantic implications' way.

But then, if you're like Luna, you dont no evidence or proof to believe in something, you just do.

But still there are kind of enough prospects to bring in someone else, and it might be difficult to get Harry to open to someone new.

Your latter point in that sentence being why I also cant see it happening.

It would be kind of silly to bring in one character just with the purpose of being Harry's love interest.

I agree completely there, but that seemed to be Cho's use in the series.

with Cho it was lurve at first sight.

It was never proper love. Morelike lust. They fancied each other physically but didn't know each other properly to be compatible in person and personality.

[madmiss88]

Originally posted by Baby Norbert@Apr 27 2004, 07:33 PM
I know harry had a crush on Cho for a long time but I don't think they will end up together i think she was put in this for an other reason...

Oh I definately didn't mean that. She was there to show that looks arn't everything.

It was never proper love. Morelike lust. They fancied each other physically but didn't know each other properly to be compatible in person and personality.

Exactly. They weren't compatable.

Well, J.K has demostrated she can bring in a character and make us (And Harry) like her in no time, like Luna and Tonks. And i'm not talking about fancy, i'm talking about just liking, in a totally 'lacking of romantic implications' way.
So i don't think introducing a character in just one book would be a problem

That is true. Do you really think she will bring in too many other characters though? I mean, in the last book there were loads of new people. I don't see how many others she needs, to fulfil her plan, and I really do think that anyone really important was brought in in the last book. Then again, the DADA position is an opportunity for another character, if it's not an original character..

[EmmaRiddle]

Then again, the DADA position is an opportunity for another character, if it's not an original character..

I think she'll already use someone, possibly from the order. But that would set me off on my Snape/Tonks talks again and know that irritates people sooo... :whisle:

[Luz]

That is true. Do you really think she will bring in too many other characters though? I mean, in the last book there were loads of new people.

Nah, J.K can come up with loads of fun, interesting people, and in the numbers it might look like a lot, but she always knows how to use them. I was refering to the romance, and her bringing someone just to have her as Harry's love interest and nothing more. It would be unlikely of J.K to use a character as a simple plot device.
And as Emma pointed she already did that with Cho, but Harry/Cho wasn't a serious relationship, J.K didn't intend to make it so. I gues she only used Cho to show Harry the difference between loving someone and loving the image you have of someone.

I think she'll already use someone, possibly from the order. But that would set me off on my Snape/Tonks talks again and know that irritates people sooo...

The only problem i see with Snape falling in love are logistics. I'm affraid we will never see the developing relationships any of the other characters might have. Since we only see what Harry sees, then for all we know Snape could be having an affair with Bellatrix and we wouldn't know unless Harry found out, which i find difficult because if Snape wants to keep something a secret noone will ever know, least of all Harry, and if Harry doesn't know we will never know.
So there is really very little we will get to see of the lives of the teachers, Dumbledore, even Harry's classmates, or their love lives, unless Harry walked in on let's say Neville and Parvati snogging (to set an example), or to use a more popular pairing, Ron and Hermione if they do get together. Off course i can see Ron being one to spill the beans to his best friend, you know kiss and tell. But it won't be first hand because we wouldn't have Hermione's or Ron's POVs. We would only have Harry's. So i can't imagine Harry walking on Snape snogging someone, it would be kind of contrived wouldn't it?.
In conclusion the only relationship we could ever witness first hand would be Harry/?, anyother we would only be able to hear from.
I think the teachers have lives, even Snape could have one, but since they are not of Harry's knowledge then we don't know about them either.

[EmmaRiddle]

In conclusion the only relationship we could ever witness first hand would be Harry/?, anyother we would only be able to hear from.

Good conclusion, but you know I only said the Snape thing to rattle you. I know it wont happen in JK's books, but it will in my mind and my writings/fanfics.

I gues she only used Cho to show Harry the difference between loving someone and loving the image you have of someone.

Harry, in a naeive way, probably thought Cho would be much like Hermione in personality, because she is really the only insight to girls that he has.

[Luz]

Good conclusion, but you know I only said the Snape thing to rattle you.

LOL, then i wasted my OC love lives speech?.

Harry, in a naeive way, probably thought Cho would be much like Hermione in personality, because she is really the only insight to girls that he has.

Yeah, he thought Cho had personality and then he discovered Cho "The amazing human hosepipe", lol.

[melissarw]

Originally posted by Luz@Apr 27 2004, 03:29 PM
. I'm affraid we will never see the developing relationships any of the other characters might have. Since we only see what Harry sees, then for all we know Snape could be having an affair with Bellatrix and we wouldn't know unless Harry found out, which i find difficult because if Snape wants to keep something a secret noone will ever know, least of all Harry, and if Harry doesn't know we will never know.
So there is really very little we will get to see of the lives of the teachers, Dumbledore, even Harry's classmates, or their love lives, unless Harry walked in on let's say Neville and Parvati snogging (to set an example), or to use a more popular pairing, Ron and Hermione if they do get together. Off course i can see Ron being one to spill the beans to his best friend, you know kiss and tell. But it won't be first hand because we wouldn't have Hermione's or Ron's POVs. We would only have Harry's. So i can't imagine Harry walking on Snape snogging someone, it would be kind of contrived wouldn't it?.

I think thats very true. I don't think that many of the characters will get together, because in order for it to happen it will have to be people close enough to Harry to come and spill their guts to him. That leaves out a lot of the people in the books other than his closest friends. And when (Ok you people) IF for example Hermione and Ron get together I don't really know if it will be what people expect b/c it cannot possibly be that mushy, as we won't get to see what their feeling except for in a very limited way.
I just read over that and I don't know if it makes any sense but maybe you know what I mean.

[Crazee]

I don't despise Hr/R, i just don't think it's gonna happen. And one thing, why do people always write it like R/Hr, the man first?, the feminist in me gets POed by that, lol.

Wow... i dunno, but i write Hr/R...i think it's my habit of doing 'H'!

A little unwanted advice: don't ship and if you do then take it lightly.

I don't see why i can't ship/shouldnt ship. I just think H/Hr is so perfect for each other, and in a way that's why the two won't work. Personally, I don't really want harry to go with ANYWONE. But for the sake of discusing, I've brought up me liking H/Hr! But i dunno... I have this idea in my head, but i need to think about it!

Currently it might seem like you're gonna burst into flames if they don't get together, you think "oh gosh!, i would die if they end up with someone else". But you don't, life goes on after it's all over, and ten years later you'll remember and wonder "was i ever that obsessed?".

Burst into flames only if H/G ends up together. LOL! Yea i do think was i that obsessed, but with D/Hr....DON'T GO THERE!




That's it for now! HWHWHWHWH! I have an essay and a Resume to write!


Felicia

[EmmaRiddle]

IF for example Hermione and Ron get together I don't really know if it will be what people expect b/c it cannot possibly be that mushy, as we won't get to see what their feeling except for in a very limited way.

We might not even see them together properly. It's quite true that we see things through Harry's eyes and I've never really thought of that. The action is always where Harry is. hmmmm interesting.

[Crazee]

In here for fun...But look, this - is screaming out H/HR all the way! Weird how Cuaron is doing everything...but you have to admit - this pic is cute!

Hmm i have no diea how LONG i've waited for this pic...lol there was that low quality one but heck.

Alright i don't think i'm going to give up on H/Hr yet! Picture inspired me... There might be soemthing there - and i have a theory on the murlap essence! ... but later...where is lupin anyway?


Felicia

[Luz]

We might not even see them together properly. It's quite true that we see things through Harry's eyes and I've never really thought of that. The action is always where Harry is. hmmmm interesting.

Yeah, even if there is Hr/R, you shippers might have to content yourselves with only hearing about it. I mean, i can't imagine Hermione snogging anyone in plain view. Ron might, he has no decency, but Hermione is a good girl. Although Ron would describe every juicy detail, he has no respect for privacy.

Alright i don't think i'm going to give up on H/Hr yet!  Picture inspired me... There might be something there - and i have a theory on the murlap essence! ... but later...where is lupin anyway?

Then don't give up, but stop the apologizing for being an Hr/H-er, it's your right. You're always acting like you must be repentant for not being an HR/R-er, it's not a sin not to be one you know. If you decide to ship something you must go with the ship all the way no matter how many raised eyebrows or insults you might have to take in. It's something i learned while being a dipper.

PS: You're right, the pic is really cute.

[loony lupin]

awwww look at that pic- the look on hermoine's face is priceless*ducks and dodges from all those who arent h/hr*
anyways hehehe looks like cuaron wants to confuse and annoy everybody hoping for a resolution of relationships in hp. i love it! harry looks happy too
ron and hermoine snogging. ewwwwwwww. i hope we're never shown that( i dont think we will- if it happens, jk will handle it like she did the cho-harry snog)
and luz- no matter what u think of ron- he wouldnt reveal any details to harry or anybody else- if everyone here is right and ron does like hermoine- then i cant see ron talking abt the girl he likes like that- he doesnt have enough self-confidence to talk abt it- he'll be awkward as all get out and so will hermoine
and besides u have no proof for ur statements abt ron's behaviour- so he laughed when harry said he kissed cho and said that thing abt cheering up people thru kissing- that might not be the most pc thing u could have said- but certainly didnt point to anything else...more degrading. methinks ur just clouded by ur dislike for ron
but ur right wen u say hermoine wont say a thing- both ron and hermoine will be really shy abt it.
and crazee, luz is right u know- u want h/hr to happen? than wear a banner mate- it doesnt matter whether its likely or not- its what u want so go for it
god knows this thread will become useless if everyone agrees on h/g and r/hr

[Crazee]

i can't imagine Hermione snogging anyone in plain view. Ron might, he has no decency, but Hermione is a good girl.

I cant imagine Hermy. But i CAN imagine Ron - one of those awful first kiss!

Then don't give up, but stop the apologizing for being an Hr/H-er, it's your right. You're always acting like you must be repentant for not being an HR/R-er, it's not a sin not to be one you know. If you decide to ship something you must go with the ship all the way no matter how many raised eyebrows or insults you might have to take in. It's something i learned while being a dipper.

I don't think i was actually 'sorry' because i AM a h/hr. i think when i said sorry it was to say Lupin - Sorry mate, but i ain't no H/Ger...i dunno but i think there is a difference!

awwww look at that pic- the look on hermoine's face is priceless*ducks and dodges from all those who arent h/hr*

yea...her face. It's full of admiration! Emma W is growing up to be a better actress, in that she can show more facial expressions!



Felicia

[EmmaRiddle]

awwww look at that pic- the look on hermoine's face is priceless*ducks and dodges from all those who arent h/hr*

I dont understand why she's making goo-goo eyes at him though, in PoA we get no indication that Hermione likes Harry in that way.

Besides, there's the hug between Hr/R to come and all the squabbles and that hand holding thing. That one picture irks me though, we all know Hr/H's friendship developed in PoA. CoS was for R/Harry's relationship to develop and in PoA Hr/H become solider (for lack of a better word) friends.