Love in OotP

[Crazee]

But this gives her an advantage over Ron and Hermione, she can tell him what it feels like, she can say if Sirius was in pain or not, she can tell him how it must have felt. JK didn't make this a character trait for no reason.

heh. Advantage over herms and ron yes. but not over Luna, adn neville then. How on earth can ginny tell harry what it feels like? She has NEVER experienced death - unless ginny died then came back to life. Sirius in pain? how can she KNOW? *lost*

Who else could Neville suitibly open up to? Both him and Harry have lost someone they loved, both never knew their family, both saw Sirius die, both are fated to kill Voldemort, both have been scarred by Bellatrix, the list goes on.

Why does neville have to tell soemone who has it in common with him? He might tell Ginny, might tell Hermione even! Ginny ahs the connection with supposed 'death' too right? :whisle:

okay, no idea what you just said so I'll try to piece together stuff...

Soorrryy! I jstu read over it, and man i made NO SENCE!

And he needs a girl who can come and knock the box down!

eya someone who is able to get through to him, who udnerstands him inside out, who knows the weakspots of the walls... :whisle:

Broaden his horizons, open his mind, breathe hope and faith into him, something he needs to hold onto life and get through the battle.

How will that BREAK the wall eh? hehehe imagine it as a real wall...eheheh

[EmmaRiddle]

How will that BREAK the wall eh? hehehe imagine it as a real wall...eheheh

By forcing Harry to admit he's not unloved. That people around him do care a whole lot about him and he's not as misunderstood as he'd like to think.

[Crazee]

^ Alright. You got me!

Alright should i jsut bring up another scene right now or what? What happened to Lupin, DWTDL and Laura and Marcella and the other peeps anyway???

[Lupin Jr]

Originally posted by Marcella_Riddle@Apr 18 2004, 02:01 AM

Broaden his horizons, open his mind, breathe hope and faith into him, something he needs to hold onto life and get through the battle.

*cough* Luna *cough*

Actually, I was referring to someone who would not let him walk over her but still do it in a nice way.

[Crazee]

^ Lupin i only half understood that...amn i'm slow ... :whisle:


Ohh 2150 posts! YAY!

[Kazters]

i think that Neville and Hartry will become better friends because of what they have been torough after all thet Dumeldore said to Harry at the end of the book about how it could have been Neville and not him!

they have both efectivley lost there parents and godfather by the hand of Voldomort and Bellatrix.

[Lupin Jr]

I also think that it's important that Neville saw Sirius die, he and Luna (who are both very alike) will be key in healing Harry. Ginny was also consciese when Sirius died but she was resticted from seeing him pass on, this seems key in Neville's importance over not only Luna but every other human his age. He not only saw Sirius die, but he has experienced death and Bellatrix more then anyone else, and he now carries a burden of maybe being the one to kill Voldemort too. But with that said I still believe that Ron, Hermione and Ginny will help more importantly, having known Sirius, I'm mearly saying that Luna is not as important in the process as people are making her out to be.

Crazee- I was saying that only Ginny has shown signs of getting things through to Harry, but doing it so that he still likes her at the end of it.
AND your avarta is confusing me, is that Hermione/Krum or Gabrielle/Krum or...???

[EmmaRiddle]

Originally posted by Lupin Jr+Apr 19 2004, 09:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lupin Jr @ Apr 19 2004, 09:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Marcella_Riddle@Apr 18 2004, 02:01 AM

Broaden his horizons, open his mind, breathe hope and faith into him, something he needs to hold onto life and get through the battle.

*cough* Luna *cough*

Actually, I was referring to someone who would not let him walk over her but still do it in a nice way. [/b][/quote]
Luna will not let him walk over her, she doesn't seem that kind of person. She may have let Hermione make snide comments toward her and not respond, therefore being the bigger person, but she wouldn't let someone walk over her and she had some effect on her because eventually Hermione started being, or at least trying to be, nice to her.

[DownWithTheDarkLord]

Luna will not let him walk over her, she doesn't seem that kind of person

She wont let him dominate her, but she would care less when he did something against her will...




Im back, Lupin, what do you mean by a new mobile, ( see what being out of australia for 8 years can do to a guy)

[EmmaRiddle]

Originally posted by DownWithTheDarkLord@Apr 19 2004, 08:37 PM

She wont let him dominate her, but she would care less when he did something against her will...




Im back, Lupin, what do you mean by a new mobile, ( see what being out of australia for 8 years can do to a guy)

That's more what I meant yes. If she knows something that someone is saying, isn't true, she's not bothered because it's lies and logically, if lies are lies then they shouldn't worry you.

I think she knows she above retorting to the bullies. Or else just goes by the philosophy of that if she ignores them, they'll go away or get bored.

[PinkDragons]

I think she knows she above retorting to the bullies. Or else just goes by the philosophy of that if she ignores them, they'll go away or get bored.

mm yes i agree, luna's probably had to put up with bullies for a long long time and she probably knows how to handel it by now. another thing she dosnt really struggle in the scene in ootp when umbridge malfoy and the others caught harry using umbridges fire.

I also think that it's important that Neville saw Sirius die, he and Luna (who are both very alike) will be key in healing Harry. Ginny was also consciese when Sirius died but she was resticted from seeing him pass on, this seems key in Neville's importance over not only Luna but every other human his age. He not only saw Sirius die, but he has experienced death and Bellatrix more then anyone else, and he now carries a burden of maybe being the one to kill Voldemort too. But with that said I still believe that Ron, Hermione and Ginny will help more importantly, having known Sirius, I'm mearly saying that Luna is not as important in the process as people are making her out to be.

We have no idea how neville felt about his grandfather though, of course he technically lost his parents when they lost their minds so he couls relate to harry better then alot of people including harry. Yes i agree, ron/hermione/ginny, should in all reason be able to help harry more then luna having known and cared about sirius. but harry dosnt want to talk to them, in fact the book clearly states that the only reason harry talked to luna was because she could see the thestrals, so in all reason nevil should be able to help harry more then anyone.

so in all reason i dont find luna to have really solid advantage over anyone else.

[PinkDragons]

I think she knows she above retorting to the bullies. Or else just goes by the philosophy of that if she ignores them, they'll go away or get bored.

mm yes i agree, luna's probably had to put up with bullies for a long long time and she probably knows how to handel it by now. another thing she dosnt really struggle in the scene in ootp when umbridge malfoy and the others caught harry using umbridges fire.

I also think that it's important that Neville saw Sirius die, he and Luna (who are both very alike) will be key in healing Harry. Ginny was also consciese when Sirius died but she was resticted from seeing him pass on, this seems key in Neville's importance over not only Luna but every other human his age. He not only saw Sirius die, but he has experienced death and Bellatrix more then anyone else, and he now carries a burden of maybe being the one to kill Voldemort too. But with that said I still believe that Ron, Hermione and Ginny will help more importantly, having known Sirius, I'm mearly saying that Luna is not as important in the process as people are making her out to be.

We have no idea how neville felt about his grandfather though, of course he technically lost his parents when they lost their minds so he could relate to harry better then alot of people including luna. Yes i agree, ron/hermione/ginny, should in all reason be able to help harry more then luna having known and cared about sirius. but harry dosnt want to talk to them, in fact the book clearly states that the only reason harry talked to luna was because she could see the thestrals, so in all reason nevil should be able to help harry more then anyone.

so in all reason i dont find luna to have really solid advantage over anyone else.

[Aragon]

Originally posted by Marcella_Riddle@Apr 14 2004, 01:50 AM
I think the other was closed.

Just to remind you, as if you all need reminding lol, I am a R/Hr and H/L shipper. I dont mind the ships H/G or N/L, I just would prefer them to not happen. I dont like the ships H/Hr H/D G/D or Snape/McGonagall.

I wouldn't mind Snape/Tonks, I think that'd be really interesting actually. But one does like to keep him for herself.

I To Am Also A H/L Shipper!!!!!!!11

[MioneAlterEgo]

Long time lurker, first time to post in this forum. I'm not even going to attempt to directly quote so many people, so I'm just going to jump in by addressing a couple of broad points. Let me first say that I ship the following: H/G, R/Hr, and N/L. But I'm up for convincing arguments from all sides! I like the couples that I do, because I think they counter and complement one another well, in terms of personality traits, abilities, outlook on life, etc. But that's an argument for another day!

I definitely think that Luna will have a role to play in the healing of Harry's (and Neville's) wounds. She brings unique experiences and her own quirky, wonderful perspective and way of handling things, which I think will be important. We also saw Neville grow up quite a lot in the 5th book as we learned more about his parents and as JKR let his personality and emotions start to come through more. We all know JKR well enough to know that she is very methodical in her writing: she has obviously brought Luna into the story and given Neville a more prominent role at this particular point in the story for a reason. She doesn't do much by coincidence, and I think the timing of these characters' entries into major roles is worth noting. (And like I said, they're going to be major. And let's face it, kids, after the battle at the MoM they're both too far embedded into this thing NOT to play a significant part! Same goes for ickle Ginnykins, too!)

That said, I don't understand why Harry's connection to Luna necessarily has to be romantic in order for her to help him heal his wounds and fight his inner-demons. It *is* possible to have a connection with someone based on personality and shared experiences without necessarily harboring romantic feelings. After all, isn't this how we all make friends in the first place?

So that's my piece. Fire away! I'm looking foward to getting ripped up in here!

[DownWithTheDarkLord]

That's more what I meant yes

So you mean, If Harry was with Luna, and Luna caught Harry with Ginny , she wouldn't care that much, Really a loving relationship dotn ya think?

[EmmaRiddle]

So you mean, If Harry was with Luna, and Luna caught Harry with Ginny , she wouldn't care that much, Really a loving relationship dotn ya think?

Of course she'd care, that's human instinct. The jibes and taunts probably do affect her, but she acts like they dont because then they go away quicker. The same with that situation, if she thought Harry wanted Ginny more, instead of putting up an argument, she'd just walk away. Or at least, that's what I think she'd do, but it woudn't prevent her from being hurt on the inside.

That said, I don't understand why Harry's connection to Luna necessarily has to be romantic in order for her to help him heal his wounds and fight his inner-demons.

It doesn't have to be, but romantically, harry and Luna are more compatible than N/L because Neville and luna are so different. He's so closed and quiet and she generally isn't and I think that'd annoy her.

I To Am Also A H/L Shipper!!!!!!!11

Like, I feel so much better now!

mm yes i agree, luna's probably had to put up with bullies for a long long time and she probably knows how to handel it by now. another thing she dosnt really struggle in the scene in ootp when umbridge malfoy and the others caught harry using umbridges fire.

Which shows she's good in dangerous situations, she doesn't get heated or panicky. She stays calm and that is what Harry needed in order to think straight and check up on Sirius. I'd also like to point out the cute thing where, in the DoM, the 6 broke into two 3's and Luna and Harry were the 'leaders' of those two 3's. Remember, Harry is leader because he's the reason they're there and Herm collapsed and Neville bust his nose and Luna is leader because Ron lost his marbles and poor Ginny bust her ankle.

Do I see a link there. 2 charcters bust their bones and made them less helpful? Ginny and Neville? Hmmmm maybe that means something...and Ron and Herm both went into a state where they were no longer themselves, think on that.

but harry dosnt want to talk to them, in fact the book clearly states that the only reason harry talked to luna was because she could see the thestrals, so in all reason nevil should be able to help harry more then anyone.

Harry remembered about the thestrals and her mum and he now knows she's far more likely to talk about it than Neville. JK wouldn't have let Harry allow her to talk about Sirius, if it meant nothing. Luna was the only one post-DoM, that Harry let talk about Sirius!

so in all reason i dont find luna to have really solid advantage over anyone else.

Well, which girl are you rooting for then?!

[EmmaRiddle]

Luna + Harry = in the DoM, the 2 leaders of the 2 groups of 3 (harry, herm and neville) (luna, ginny ron)

Neville + Ginny = Both broke a bone in the DoM

Ron + Herm = Both became somewhat unconscious and not in a state to fight at all.

This shows the rank order of how these people can relate to/help harry.

Luna can first and foremost, followed by Neville. Luna wasn't hurt at all, physically, neither was Harry, then we have Neville, who had just a bust nose, he's the next useful one to Harry, then Ginny, who only broke an ankle and who can help Harry in relation to Voldemort.

Then we have the other two who are really next to blind when referring to death/loss/voldemort, but can be friends and be there for him.

[Crazee]

Luna + Harry = in the DoM, the 2 leaders of the 2 groups of 3 (harry, herm and neville) (luna, ginny ron)

Neville + Ginny = Both broke a bone in the DoM

Ron + Herm = Both became somewhat unconscious and not in a state to fight at all.

I have to say - this si VERY interesting...*mouth gapes open* Luna and Harryw ere the only ones who weren't hurt physically... could this possibily show their strenght?

[Lupin Jr]

Originally posted by Marcella_Riddle@Apr 20 2004, 02:30 AM
Luna + Harry = in the DoM, the 2 leaders of the 2 groups of 3 (harry, herm and neville) (luna, ginny ron)

Neville + Ginny = Both broke a bone in the DoM

Ron + Herm = Both became somewhat unconscious and not in a state to fight at all.

This shows the rank order of how these people can relate to/help harry.

Luna can first and foremost, followed by Neville. Luna wasn't hurt at all, physically, neither was Harry, then we have Neville, who had just a bust nose, he's the next useful one to Harry, then Ginny, who only broke an ankle and who can help Harry in relation to Voldemort.

Then we have the other two who are really next to blind when referring to death/loss/voldemort, but can be friends and be there for him.

Yes you can see it that way, or this way...

Harry + Ginny: We are never shwon Ginny being leader besides her character. It is a lot more safer to asume that Ginny was incharge compared to Luna, based that she is closer to Ron and Luna then they are too each other. Also, Harry lost Hermione and Ginny lost Ron, this mirrors that they both saw their sibling figure almost die.

Luna + Neville: I would like to see this as the 'transporter's. As we where shown Neville carrying Hermione and Luna carrying Ginny it is safe to assume that they shared this role. It was more likely that she wasn't the one shouting orders and moving everyone along.

Hermione + Ron: I agree, the fallen comrades who share a sibling relationship with the leaders.

Also, let's look at their injuries from a different point of view. It's obvious that both Hermione and Ron experienced near death pain, everyone knows that. Now, this is where it can be H/G + N/L or H/L + N/G. Both Harry and Neville where put under and unforgivable spell and both Ginny and Luna where placed under stunning spells. The thing to look at it is that both Harry and Ginny overthrew the spell, while Neville and Luna needed assistance in saving themselves from the spell. Now you say that that does not explain why Ginny broke her ankle, well that is key because she didn't want Ginny to follow. She had overthrown the spell first and had she not been held down by the ankle she would have chased Harry and wandered into the Dumbledore/Voldemort fight. However, she needed to show Ginny could overthrow the spell.

Also I see that you said Luna was more helpful then Neville, I am sorry Emma, but this statment can not be made. From what we have we can see that Neville is infact more likely to be helpful, having experienced Bellatrix, loss of parent figure, loss of a father figure, fated to kill Voldemort and so on. Luna helped with the loopy healing, Neville will help with the moving on together.

[EmmaRiddle]

Also I see that you said Luna was more helpful then Neville, I am sorry Emma, but this statment can not be made.

In the context of death and discussion, she is. Neville doesn't dicuss his losses, Luna does You know what I meant you sly fox!

Oh and I found the Neville & Ginny thing very interesting. I may start shipping them too, not just to annoy Will though.

It is a lot more safer to asume that Ginny was incharge compared to Luna, based that she is closer to Ron and Luna then they are too each other.

I agree with your statement about N and L being the carriers before this. H and L were the leaders because they were the ones able to walk and take the others through the DoM physically. That's what I based my thing on.

It all comes down to personal interpretation and we're never going to see eye to eye on this.

[Lupin Jr]

In the context of death and discussion, she is. Neville doesn't dicuss his losses, Luna does You know what I meant you sly fox!

As I said in the other forum, Neville is not quiet and shy around H/R/Hr/G, it's just people that he is nervous around. Now that he knows Harry knows and he knows what Harry is going through he has someone to talk too. Plus he saw Sirius die, there is no one better then Neville to discuss this with Harry. Besides, Luna already gave her PoV on it.

Oh and I found the Neville & Ginny thing very interesting. I may start shipping them too, not just to annoy Will though.

Lol, you will be surprised to hear that I am happy for N/G, in fact I like N/Hr and N/L just as much. He is a great character and I like certain characters over any ship.

I agree with your statement about N and L being the carriers before this. H and L were the leaders because they were the ones able to walk and take the others through the DoM physically. That's what I based my thing on.

It all comes down to personal interpretation and we're never going to see eye to eye on this.

Yes, but we can look at characters and asume things and it is safer to asume Ginny as leader compared to Luna. Harry loves Hermione as a sister and Neville as a friend and Ginny loves Ron as a brother and Luna as a friend, being in this position of the relationship it is safer to assume they play leaders.

[EmmaRiddle]

Luna already gave her PoV on it.

You really think that short snippet is all she'll ever say? Pssh! JK was teasing us with that bit, she left it hanging! She's got to give me more Luna. I <3 Miss Lovegood. :whisle:

Lol, you will be surprised to hear that I am happy for N/G, in fact I like N/Hr and N/L just as much. He is a great character and I like certain characters over any ship.

Believe it or not, I wasn't trying to agrravate you. But then, it's the same as N/L to me, I think both Ginny and Luna are too loud/open/fiercy, whatever other words you might use, to settle with Neville. But then, as a teen, who really actually settles for life with their school bf or gf?

it is safer to asume Ginny as leader compared to Luna.

It's safer to assume Ginny leader, than read Luna for the leader she is in their group? It is obvious she's like the Harry in her group of three. I'm not trying to demean your precious Ginny, I'm trying to state a point!

[Lupin Jr]

You really think that short snippet is all she'll ever say? Pssh! JK was teasing us with that bit, she left it hanging! She's got to give me more Luna. I <3 Miss Lovegood.&nbsp; :whisle:

Not really, she believes in afterlife and this thought comforts Harry, but logically we can question it. I don't think JK is going to touch to much more on this subject, what with all the religous groups against her and all.

Believe it or not, I wasn't trying to agrravate you. But then, it's the same as N/L to me, I think both Ginny and Luna are too loud/open/fiercy, whatever other words you might use, to settle with Neville. But then, as a teen, who really actually settles for life with their school bf or gf?

That is why I am happy for Neville/Hermione, it seems to have atleast some evidence and it's believable.

It's safer to assume Ginny leader, than read Luna for the leader she is in their group? It is obvious she's like the Harry in her group of three. I'm not trying to demean your precious Ginny, I'm trying to state a point!

No, it is not obvious tha