Love in OotP

[Lupin Jr]

My point was quite clear; we were discussing girls being attached to Harry, so Neville couldn't even come into that type of equation.

You are saying how Luna is going to help Harry in canon, I'm just saying how she isn't the only character who can talk about Sirius with Harry being cool with it.

I sincerely doubt that they would have one. For security reasons, as Harry has to stay at the Durselys or else risk danger and also because there is no body to bury.

If there was one, I think it'd be small, probably only family like Tonks plus Dumbledore and Lupin. I cant imagine they'd hand out invites to the kids . And if they did, I really dont know where and from what experience of losing someone, Ginny would get her words of comfort from.

I think Dumbledore relises that Harry needs closure like all people. I am pretty sure that Lupin, Harry and Dumbledore will be there and in that case Hermione and Ron will be there for Harry and Ginny will ofcoarse join in. She mentioned that she cared for Sirus.

Two, why would her mum be performing a potentially dangerous spell in front of her nine year old daughter? It had to have been potentially dangerous, or else it would not have killed her. Use common sense.

If Ginny, of all people, can be mysterious, then so can Luna who is so obviously secretive and has alot more to tell than she already has.

And what else does she have to say? The spell didn't need to be deadly, she could have been thrown back onto a set of knives for all we know, she could have used expelliarmous and broke her skull on the wall like Snape did in PoA. What secrets does she have?
I can understand with Gin cause she shared her body with the Dark Lord for a year in a book with the title 'chamber of secrets'.

As Luz has said before, Harry's POV. We wont see Ginny's real self, because Harry wont go deeply into her heart and mind. Becuase it isn't Ginny Weasley and the.... Sometimes, I think you give her a little too much depth.

Because she is a character with depth. I am not trying to make it 'GW and the...' anymore then you are trying to make it Luna Lovegood and the mysterious childhood of mystery.

In your opinion, which is not, however fact.

Yet I supply evidence.

Doesn't seem that way sometimes...You seem to come across as negative toward her in order to put Ginny on a pedastal.

Are you misisng that I support H/L??

I just found some inter-textual evidence that may supply as evidence to your ship. It seems Harry's past love life has been made up of two girls, Parvati Patil and Cho Chang. What are similair about these character's? There names have the same first letter as there last name and they are connected as being romantic to Harry. SO then surley Luna Lovegood is next in line?

[EmmaRiddle]

You are saying how Luna is going to help Harry in canon, I'm just saying how she isn't the only character who can talk about Sirius with Harry being cool with it.

Did I say she was the only one, therefore alienating Neville? No!

She mentioned that she cared for Sirus.

And that's reason enough for her to merit an invite? if anything her parents would stop her going because of her age.

The spell didn't need to be deadly, she could have been thrown back onto a set of knives for all we know

Exactly, for all we know, so you cant dismiss that it was deadly. And also, there you prove we dont know it all and there's more to know about her death.

I can understand with Gin cause she shared her body with the Dark Lord for a year in a book with the title 'chamber of secrets'.

In comparison to Luna who watched her mother die. There has got to be some iner torment there. Watching your own mother die at the young age of nine and then living forever without her, you cannot dismiss that as being beneath precious Ginny.

make it Luna Lovegood and the mysterious childhood of mystery.

I'm not because everything to do with Luna's background is in relation to Harry. Her mother's death, coupled with Harry being motherless. There is alot more to know about Luna, I feel, because JK told us so little. I dont however, think she is important in the great scheme of things with the war, you however, seem to believe Ginny will pull something out of her magic hat and together with Harry, rid the world of Lord Voldemort.

Yet I supply evidence.

That proves you right? The only evidence you could submit, to prove you're 100% right, is JK saying you are. Otherwise, none of us are 100% accurate.

It seems Harry's past love life has been made up of two girls, Parvati Patil and Cho Chang. What are similair about these character's? There names have the same first letter as there last name and they are connected as being romantic to Harry. SO then surley Luna Lovegood is next in line? 

That is rather clever and I could see a link there, even though it is rather superficial. Thanks, sorry, I just get peeved because Ginny really didn't win me over in OoP, she put me off her.

[Lupin Jr]

And that's reason enough for her to merit an invite? if anything her parents would stop her going because of her age.

stop her going to a funeral? I went to my first funeral at age 5.

In comparison to Luna who watched her mother die. There has got to be some iner torment there. Watching your own mother die at the young age of nine and then living forever without her, you cannot dismiss that as being beneath precious Ginny.

Again I am not taking anything away from little miss perfect Lovegood.

I'm not because everything to do with Luna's background is in relation to Harry. Her mother's death, coupled with Harry being motherless. There is alot more to know about Luna, I feel, because JK told us so little. I dont however, think she is important in the great scheme of things with the war, you however, seem to believe Ginny will pull something out of her magic hat and together with Harry, rid the world of Lord Voldemort.

Don't jump to conclusions about me Emma! I am working purley on the evidence that has been supplied.

That proves you right? The only evidence you could submit, to prove you're 100% right, is JK saying you are. Otherwise, none of us are 100% accurate.

I am saying that by supplying evidence means there is more proof over anything else.

That is rather clever and I could see a link there, even though it is rather superficial. Thanks, sorry, I just get peeved because Ginny really didn't win me over in OoP, she put me off her.

I just think that is so basic of people to come to that conclusion of Gin. She was stricking back and shutting Harry up when he became hot headed.

[EmmaRiddle]

stop her going to a funeral? I went to my first funeral at age 5.

My main point is that all it would achieve, would be to upset her. She's not needed there, the only people who deserve to be there are family. If Ginny goes, then so should Luna and Neville.

Again I am not taking anything away from little miss perfect Lovegood.

She's not perfect, but what I am trying to say is, I agree Ginny has a fragment of a grasp on Voldemort, but Luna has the full affects of death on her and knows what it's like to live without a parent. Both are useful in their different and spearate ways.

If she was perfect, she would've hit Hermione and told her to shut up LOL

Don't jump to conclusions about me Emma! I am working purley on the evidence that has been supplied.

isn't that what you believe though? I mean, I really cant see anyone having a fight with Voldemort other than Harry, but you seem to think Ginny and Harry combined will rid the world of Voldemort.

I am saying that by supplying evidence means there is more proof over anything else.

But even proof is in the eye of the beholder. Proof can be seen different ways, through different eyes and the only eyes that see it in the correct way are JK's. We may wish to be right, here, but I know I'm not completely right because only JK can be right and she wont have made the plot so easy for us to guess.

I just think that is so basic of people to come to that conclusion of Gin. She was stricking back and shutting Harry up when he became hot headed.

Yes, but not everyone sees her the way you do. To you, she was fighting back against the little girl label, to others, she was trying too hard to be liked and accepted as her own person.

[siriusly_loving_gary]

here's my theory about love on ootp, i don't know, if anyone has posted this already, but i'll do it anyway. in ootp on page 535 in chapter 27 "the centaur and the sneak" it says:

Hermione's Patronus, a shining silver otter, was gambolling around her.
"They are sort of nice, aren't they?" she said, looking at it fondly.

and now here's my theory:
the otter is somehow related to the weasel, which made me immediately think of the weasleys. maybe jkr wants to hint, that there's a romance going on between ron and hermione or that there will be one in the next book (which i personally don't doubt). what do you think of this?

[melissarw]

Originally posted by Marcella_Riddle@May 2 2004, 05:23 AM

My main point is that all it would achieve, would be to upset her. She's not needed there, the only people who deserve to be there are family. If Ginny goes, then so should Luna and Neville.

I don't know about that Emma. Ginny and the rest of the Weasleys did live with Sirius for a few months and again for Christmas, so I think that if there is a funeral that Ginny together with the rest of her family do belong there. Neither Neville nor Luna knew Sirius at all, so why would they really want to go to the hypothetical funeral? They aren't exactly fun places. However, I don't think that there will be a funeral, because there is no body and I think that the focus is going to be on protecting those that were left behind from Voldemort, not mourning the ones who have gone on. Thats what I think anyways.

[EmmaRiddle]

Originally posted by melissarw+May 2 2004, 08:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (melissarw @ May 2 2004, 08:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Marcella_Riddle@May 2 2004, 05:23 AM

My main point is that all it would achieve, would be to upset her. She's not needed there, the only people who deserve to be there are family. If Ginny goes, then so should Luna and Neville.

I don't know about that Emma. Ginny and the rest of the Weasleys did live with Sirius for a few months and again for Christmas, so I think that if there is a funeral that Ginny together with the rest of her family do belong there. Neither Neville nor Luna knew Sirius at all, so why would they really want to go to the hypothetical funeral? They aren't exactly fun places. However, I don't think that there will be a funeral, because there is no body and I think that the focus is going to be on protecting those that were left behind from Voldemort, not mourning the ones who have gone on. Thats what I think anyways. [/b][/quote]
But did Ginny really know Sirius any better than Luna or Neville, no. Only Ron and Hermione, other than Harry, knew him well.

[loony lupin]

I don't know about that Emma.&nbsp; Ginny and the rest of the Weasleys did live with Sirius for a few months and again for Christmas, so&nbsp; I think that if there is a funeral that Ginny together with the rest of her family do belong there.

yeah i have to agree here- ginny knew sirius- she's lived in his house, she's spoken to him. and like she says, she cared abt sirius too. whereas luna wasnt aware of his essistence for a long time.
of course she spoke to harry- but technically she didnt speak to him abt sirius did she? what i mean is that harry didnt mind her talking abt him....but he certainly didnt talk abt his feelings to her. but then again, it was wayy too early for him to want to share his feelings
but she made him feel slightly better, and in that situation, u have to hand it to her.

Neither Neville nor Luna knew Sirius at all,

yeah. thats true too. and this actually(i feel from experience) made it easier for harry to stand there listening to luna mention sirius.
but emma will kill me for this but the thing is- had it not been for ron, hermoine would have gotten to speak abt sirius firs to harry- ron kept shushing her, which is why she couldnt bring it up- but it is true too that it would have been harder for anyone to shush luna up than hermoine, its not like ron could have. she would ignored them all.
but i cant help but feel that the fact that they werent close and the fact that they were alone played a role- as in the circumstances had a role too with watever personal connection they might share

However, I don't think that there will be a funeral, because there is no body and I think that the focus is going to be on protecting those that were left behind from Voldemort, not mourning the ones who have gone on.&nbsp; Thats what I think anyways.

yeah i agree with melissa- no funeral. it'll be painful to say the least, and might take up pages where not needed. whereas i can see a reading of his will. but i think only dd, lupin and harry would be present. no one else really has a business being there, no matter how close they are to harry
but i have to say that although they may not hold a formal memorial like i said before, the book 6 will touch upon the mourning- it cant be ignored.

[loony lupin]

Originally posted by christadawson@May 2 2004, 11:59 AM
here's my theory about love on ootp, i don't know, if anyone has posted this already, but i'll do it anyway. in ootp on page 535 in chapter 27 "the centaur and the sneak" it says:

Hermione's Patronus, a shining silver otter, was gambolling around her.
"They are sort of nice, aren't they?" she said, looking at it fondly.

and now here's my theory:
the otter is somehow related to the weasel, which made me immediately think of the weasleys. maybe jkr wants to hint, that there's a romance going on between ron and hermione or that there will be one in the next book (which i personally don't doubt). what do you think of this?

u know im almost certain abt r/h too but for the life of me i cant see the connection b/w a weasel and an otter.

p.s- thats a scrumptious looking picture u have there on ur avatar :bittenchoco:

[EmmaRiddle]

what i mean is that harry didnt mind her talking abt him

That was Luna, not Ginny.

[EuroTrashWanabee]

Just a random interjection, and I can't be sure of this because I didn't read all the other posts, :/ but, AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO LIKED HARRY AND CHO!? I think if Harry had just been a bit more sensitive they would have been great for each other!

Todd

[EmmaRiddle]

Originally posted by EuroTrashWanabee@May 3 2004, 05:44 AM
Just a random interjection, and I can't be sure of this because I didn't read all the other posts, :/ but, AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO LIKED HARRY AND CHO!? I think if Harry had just been a bit more sensitive they would have been great for each other!

Todd

They were total opposites and with each other for the wrong reasons.

Harry was physically attracted to her, that was all, so it was lust. She was physically attracted to him too and because he was 'Harry Potter'. Neither knew what the other was really like and so it couldn't have worked because they both went into the relationship, blind.

[melissarw]

Originally posted by Marcella_Riddle+May 3 2004, 12:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Marcella_Riddle @ May 3 2004, 12:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-EuroTrashWanabee@May 3 2004, 05:44 AM
Just a random interjection, and I can't be sure of this because I didn't read all the other posts,&nbsp; :/&nbsp; but, AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO LIKED HARRY AND CHO!?&nbsp; I think if Harry had just been a bit more sensitive they would have been great for each other!

Todd

They were total opposites and with each other for the wrong reasons.

Harry was physically attracted to her, that was all, so it was lust. She was physically attracted to him too and because he was 'Harry Potter'. Neither knew what the other was really like and so it couldn't have worked because they both went into the relationship, blind. [/b][/quote]
Ditto. In addition, I think that the obstacle of Cedric really doomed them from the start, not even taking in to effect the fact that they were basically total strangers when they started crushing on each other. I mean they had no classes together, were in different houses, and had different sets of friends. The only thing they really knew about each other were their respective good looks and Quidditch. Not the stuff lasting relationships are made of.

[EmmaRiddle]

Originally posted by melissarw+May 3 2004, 06:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (melissarw @ May 3 2004, 06:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

They were total opposites and with each other for the wrong reasons.

Harry was physically attracted to her, that was all, so it was lust. She was physically attracted to him too and because he was 'Harry Potter'. Neither knew what the other was really like and so it couldn't have worked because they both went into the relationship, blind.

Ditto. In addition, I think that the obstacle of Cedric really doomed them from the start, not even taking in to effect the fact that they were basically total strangers when they started crushing on each other. I mean they had no classes together, were in different houses, and had different sets of friends. The only thing they really knew about each other were their respective good looks and Quidditch. Not the stuff lasting relationships are made of. [/b][/quote]
Whereas, on the other hand, we have Luna and Harry who have started to form a bond of understanding and suffering. That is a great basis for a relationship, as they are on the path to truly getting to know one another.

[melissarw]

Do you know Emma that when I wrote that I KNEW that you were going to use that to bring up Luna/Harry? LOL. But you are right they do have more than Cho/Harry ever did. Although not as much as Harry/Ginny....

[EmmaRiddle]

Originally posted by melissarw@May 3 2004, 06:29 AM
Do you know Emma that when I wrote that I KNEW that you were going to use that to bring up Luna/Harry? LOL. But you are right they do have more than Cho/Harry ever did. Although not as much as Harry/Ginny....

Luna/Harry has more, because Harry started to get to know Luna. Lupin Jr is forever saying that Harry needs to see the real Ginny and then he'll like her, whereas Harry has already started to get to know Luna and, because of Sirius, he'll be intrigued to find out more.

[Lupin Jr]

But did Ginny really know Sirius any better than Luna or Neville, no. Only Ron and Hermione, other than Harry, knew him well.

hmm, I think this line answers it:
'You're not the only one who cares about Sirius' Ginny said coldly.

Lupin Jr is forever saying that Harry needs to see the real Ginny and then he'll like her, whereas Harry has already started to get to know Luna and, because of Sirius, he'll be intrigued to find out more.

Well, just because he is starting to see Luna as a friend doesn't mean he will stop seeing everyone else. JK has worked pretty dam hard on building a character like Ginny. It is quiet fasinating if you read essays about her character. So, I am sure JK is making her his counterpart for a reason.

Whereas, on the other hand, we have Luna and Harry who have started to form a bond of understanding and suffering. That is a great basis for a relationship, as they are on the path to truly getting to know one another.

...and Luna's mystical childhood of mystery in which she was announced to be the proclaim child of the earth is soon to be revealed. Joking!
Funny you should use the word 'bond' of all words, I won't say it!

[EmmaRiddle]

hmm, I think this line answers it:
'You're not the only one who cares about Sirius' Ginny said coldly.

That is evidence to suggest she cares about what happens to him. Where is the evidence to show where she spoke to him and got to know him?

It's pointless discussing that, even you said yourself there most likely wont be a funeral.

Well, just because he is starting to see Luna as a friend doesn't mean he will stop seeing everyone else.

I didn't say that. Dont put words in my mouth!

JK has worked pretty dam hard on building a character like Ginny.

I'd say she's worked on having her there, but not her character. I stilldont think it's clear exactly who she is, what she's like. Who she truly is, I mean.

So, I am sure JK is making her his counterpart for a reason.

As am I. When did I say I wasn't?

...and Luna's mystical childhood of mystery in which she was announced to be the proclaim child of the earth is soon to be revealed.* Joking!

Even you have to admit, it's common sense. Living without your mother must be hell, my mother almost died, I was ready to go with her. Being a male, you wouldn't understand, but the bond between mother and daughter, when there, is arguably the strongest bond you can have.

Funny you should use the word 'bond' of all words, I won't say it!

You mean the posession bond? Ah, but Harry was never possesed, he just thought he was and like stupid Harry, he forgot about Ginny because she didn't register in his mind. His mind is stupidly fixed on Ron and Hermione only, he needs to open his eyes.

P.S You stopped reading my Tonks fic. You smell LOL

[Lupin Jr]

That is evidence to suggest she cares about what happens to him. Where is the evidence to show where she spoke to him and got to know him?

It's pointless discussing that, even you said yourself there most likely wont be a funeral.

This is all based on the fact that Harry felt as though he was at a funeral and Ginny comforted him..

I'd say she's worked on having her there, but not her character. I stilldont think it's clear exactly who she is, what she's like. Who she truly is, I mean.

And how will we learn? Through Harry.

Even you have to admit, it's common sense. Living without your mother must be hell, my mother almost died, I was ready to go with her. Being a male, you wouldn't understand, but the bond between mother and daughter, when there, is arguably the strongest bond you can have.

Well, I understand pretty well as one of my best friends is a girl and she lost her mother to breast cancer and a cancerous tumor in her brain, it was really hard for her. She was inclass and ran out crying when the teacher was talking about cancer and I went out to comfort her and it really hit me hard when she said 'Will, you don't understand, I had to watch her die'.
It's been a few years and she isn't comfortable talking about it with anyone but my other friend who lost his dad in a car crash. And trust me, they ain't going to get together any time in the near future.

You mean the posession bond? Ah, but Harry was never possesed, he just thought he was and like stupid Harry, he forgot about Ginny because she didn't register in his mind. His mind is stupidly fixed on Ron and Hermione only, he needs to open his eyes.

'Ginny Weasley blushed, she had always been very taken aback by Harry ever since he first visted the burrow last year. Adding on to this was the fact that he had saved her life last term...

...'When one wizard saves the life of another, it creates a certain bond' Dumbledore said.
^That's the bond that I meant...

Oh, I have a counter picture for that H/Hr one in Hogsmeade...

So much for the theory 'She wanted to grab Harry but he wasn't there, it seems this picture answers who she has always wanted to grab.

[EmmaRiddle]

This is all based on the fact that Harry felt as though he was at a funeral and Ginny comforted him..

So the fact that Harry felt like he was at funeral with Ginny was a good thing and proved she knew Sirius well? I dont see how that works. If anything, feeling as if he were at a funeral would be a bad thing; the last thing Harry wants to think about is letting go of Sirius and that is what a funeral would mean to him.

And how will we learn? Through Harry.

Which is not significant because we learn everything through Harry. We learn about Hermione through Harry, we learn about Luna through Harry. Why? because the story focuses on him!

And trust me, they ain't going to get together any time in the near future.

That doesn't mean L/H wont. After all, this is fantasy and besides, my point was that living without your mother, when you're a girl, is devastating. Granted, I only lived without mine for a year, but that was enough to give me an insight into how my best friend (who's both parents passed away within 18 months of each other) feels all the time. Correct me if I am wrong, but I got the impression previously that you were trying to downsize Luna's obvious pain. She doesn't show it now because time has healed the wound, but it's always there.

^That's the bond that I meant...

It could be a negative bond though. Voldemort has weakened Ginny's mind, he could use her again to get at Harry.

You see, just because there is a bond, doesn't make it automatically a good thing. It could be far from good for Harry.

Harry saved Hermione's life in PoA, did he not? With the dementors? I also think Harry saved all 5 of the kids lives in the DoM. Snape saved Harry's life in his first year. So all these people have bonds, but whether they are good or bad, we