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View Poll Results: How many Horcruxes would you give the Half-Blood Prince movie? | |
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2 horcruxes
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5 horcruxes
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07-21-2009, 02:03 AM
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Here you may post your reviews of the Half-Blood Prince movie.
Personally, I loved it! Even more than the book.
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07-21-2009, 03:06 AM
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I loved the book, as i have all of them, but i must say that i was very disappointed with the film... i hope deathly hallows is better
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07-21-2009, 04:00 AM
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I liked the movie but sadly they cut out too much of the plot I feel. I hope Deathly Hollows will turn out better. Because right now, it looks iffy.
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07-21-2009, 10:31 AM
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Well I think it was a really good movie in general so I gave it a 5. But if I was to base my opinion on how much it followed the book it would have been a 2 or 3. They did leave out a lot of the good parts and I really wanted to see Dumbledore's funeral. That was the most emotional part of the book and I hope its on the dvds deleted scenes or something like that. The one thing I did absolutely despise about the movie was that they made 2 scenes from what I remember that did not happen in the book. So they cut out good scenes from the book to put in new ones that weren't even true to the book.
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07-21-2009, 06:52 PM
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| Moonlight Dueler Kneazle
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But you didn't need Dumbledore's funeral! The feeling of Dumbledore's funeral was when the students and professors made the Dark Mark disappear. That was a satisfying and heartfelt ending enough to replace the funeral.However, I did miss the battle at the end. That should not have been cut. It was a bit too quiet after Dumbledore's death and when I read that in the book it seemed like a race to catch up to Snape, while in the movie, it was a little bit less.
I still loved the film. It's the best one of the series, no doubt. People just need to understand that the film medium and the book medium are told in different ways. Films are more visual, while books are more wordy and detailed.
For instance, the reason why they added the Burrow scene (which, actually, I felt didn't feel dangerous enough) was because in the book there was a lot of talk about bad things happening but we never got to see any of it. In the book this is all well and good because we can use our imaginations about what is happening outside Hogwarts but in a film we must see it visually!
Nothing that was cut from the book was sorely missed, for me, at least. Actually I would like to hear what you guys thought was cut that shouldn't have. I keep hearing a lot of empty comments about the film cutting out important parts of the book but none of those complaints are followed up with examples.
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Originally Posted by darkone15216 Well I think it was a really good movie in general so I gave it a 5. But if I was to base my opinion on how much it followed the book it would have been a 2 or 3. They did leave out a lot of the good parts and I really wanted to see Dumbledore's funeral. That was the most emotional part of the book and I hope its on the dvds deleted scenes or something like that. The one thing I did absolutely despise about the movie was that they made 2 scenes from what I remember that did not happen in the book. So they cut out good scenes from the book to put in new ones that weren't even true to the book. Much of the stuff that wasn't there, was omitted in the scripting process and as such, was never shot. Quote:
However, I did miss the battle at the end. That should not have been cut.
I sympathise with their reasoning though; they don't want to have two battles at Hogwarts. It might've worked for book fans but for a movie audience it would just look repetitious.
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07-22-2009, 12:31 AM
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I gave the movie a 4. It was extremely engrossing and well acted, actually one of the best in the series so far if not the best. What kept me from giving a 5 was the cuts. There were some things I felt were really important to the plot, the main one being the pensieve memory which dealt with Tom Riddle's heritage and the fact that he is himself a halfblood. This is something I really wish had been included, as I feel it is a crucial element and shouldn't have been left out. But then, I could be wrong.
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07-22-2009, 12:39 AM
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I feel that, as a movie, it was very well done. The humor in it was excellent, and some of the scenes I felt translated very wonderfully to the screen - Slughorn's house for example, Fred and George's new shop, and Hermione's attacking birds. I particularly loved the scenes where Harry was under the influence of Felix Felicis.
However, the film lacked in what they downplayed and left out. I had been looking forward to the final battle and Dumbledore's funeral especially. The alterations to the death scene were also bothersome.
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07-22-2009, 12:55 AM
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About the poll. Isn't a horcrux bad? so,wouldn't 5 be the worst rating and 1 be the best?
Oh by the way, HBP was awesoooooome. I saw it wednesday, friday, and sunday, and I could see it three more times, too.
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07-22-2009, 01:01 AM
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I have posted this before, but I'm going to post it again--
If you haven't seen the movie, then perhaps you should stop reading at this point--
However, if you have given up on the movies, like I should have after Prisoner of Azkaban, then by all means keep on reading. Here's my rant on why I didn't like the movie so much--
1. The beginning - why the hell did it start with Harry and Dumbledore at the MoM having a photoshoot. That's so not where OotP left off, so it was the most random beginning to any movie.
2. I get that they wanted to add a big dramatic scene of the muggles/wizards being caught up in the war and the bridge being torn apart. The Millennium Bridge is pretty prominent and well recognized and visually it was pretty cool, but at least do a follow up (not in the Daily Prophet), how 'bout we stick with the book and use the actual Minister!
3. Quidditch - I love Quidditch. It's amazing to watch and it's a neat story. But, the tryouts taken from OotP was a bit annoying. If you're going to keep Quidditch out of one of the books, then it doesn't make that much sense to make a big deal of it in this one. It took up space and took away from more important things from the story.
4. Tom Riddle - You have got to be kidding me??? The bulk of HBP is going in depth with Voldemort and how her became so evil, even before he was even born. How could they cut out the scenes of the House of Gaunt. It's one of the most interesting of scenes and really helps establish the beginning of an evil. Also, when Voldemort asks for a job at Hogwarts has it's significance to and it's that last moment that you see Voldemort with the slightest bit of humanity. Though little orphan Voldemort, played by Hero Fiennes-Tiffin was excellent. This young talent made your skin crawl. He definitely stepped it up and you could see a bit of Uncle Ralph shine through. He definitely hard a dark quality about him. The Slughorn scene with Tom was just average. I liked the teenage Tom in Chamber of Secrets much better.
5. Stop changing the look of the pensieve! First Harry goes in and it's like he's part of the scene. Not he just sticks his head in for a long period of time (you'd think he'd drown!) and it's all smokey looking. Stick with one look. It gets annoying after awhile.
6. Was it any more obvious that Harry is a horcrux? All during DH I kept going back and forth...is he or isn't he? I liked the suspense, but deep down inside I had a feeling he was. So, when Dumbledore is talking about the ring and then Harry goes to touch it...Harry gets all these Voldie flashbacks and then did the neck twitch thing and then the ring goes all spinny. I think that totally gave away that they were connected and clearly meaning that he was connected to Voldie soulfully.
7. Harry/Ginny - Um...WTF? Could there be any less chemistry. I think the actors could have pulled it off if they stuck with the book, but the writing was just bad with it. It's like this big pivotal moment that you don't really see coming, but there's this big build between the two of them. I think the flirting with the waitress at the beginning took away from it. And there were hardly any moments where it was just Harry and Ginny to establish he was starting to like her. It felt very forced, with Hermione constantly bringing it up to the point where it was annoying. Also, they really bond more over the book because she knows what it's like to be possessed by a book and how it can have power over you. Ginny never really showed concern about Harry and the potions book, like in the actual HBP book. And then to top it off Ron is okay with it, but not until the end. In the book, it creates a bit of tension, but it smooths out in the end. But, kind of sets the tone of H/G's relationship.
8. Lavender/Ron/Hermione - I liked Lavender, I think Jessie Cave did a pretty decent job. I just think there were a lot more funnier moments and lines in the book between those two. I just didn't like how they didn't set it up for why Ron was really doing it. Hermione had Viktor, Harry had Cho, it was time for Ron to get a little snogging. I liked the reference to Viktor in HBP as well. It creates more jealousy. I think Emma Watson pulled off the jealousy well for the most part, but again it felt a bit to forced and at times over the top. Plus, when she took Cormac to Slug's party, how the hell would it make Ron jealous. I think there should have been a moment where Ron saw them leaving the common room together or something to show a bit of jealousy with Ron.
9. Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes - well this scene was practically ruined since GoF. The fact that it never established that Harry was their benefactor... it just fell short. It was a bit of a calm before the storm moment, but again it was a useless scene that took away from the bulk of the story. There could have been a lot more funny moments like "Why Are You Worrying About You-Know-Who?You SHOULD Be Worrying About U-NO-POO -- the Constipation Sensation That's Gripping the Nation!" Everything I loved about that scene in the book was completely stripped down.
10. Tom Felton = Best Performance in the Entire Movie. I felt like he really took Malfoy to a defeated state. You could see that he was torn throughout the movie, but I think the writing fell flat between him and Dumbledore. He showed some great emotion, I just felt like if they stuck closer to the book it would have been loads better. It was just annoying that Harry wasn't more upset with what Draco was doing, to the point where he was obsessed and that took away from him getting the memory from Slughorn.
11. Bellatrix/Death Eaters/Narcissa - So, for people who didn't read the book they're going to be like, "Who's that hairy guy hanging with the Death Eaters?" Well that would be Fenrir Greyback, the most dreaded werewolf, who bit Lupin, but they never really established who he was, just a hairy guy. And just cause you play a werewolf doesn't mean you transform to kind of look like one in human form! I mean look at Lupin! What the hell was with Narcissa's hair?!? The blonde/black look was a no go in my book. She looked hideous! She's a bleach blonde, and the Malfoys are this bleach blonde little family. I can just say thank goodness Helen McCrory didn't play Bellatrix. Helena Bonham-Carter can hardly do no wrong, but I felt like she could have been a bit more crazy like in OotP. I like how she took on the role as Draco's mentor, but that was about it. Also, at the end of the book, there's this big fight scene between Aurors and Death Eaters and that was not there at all. The Death Eaters just walked freely about doing there thing and nothing seemed to happen. I kind of figured from the moment Harry drank all the Liquid Luck that it wasn't going to happen, but I guess they left it out so a battle at Hogwarts will seem more dramatic in DH. And why the hell did they need to burn down Hagrid's Hut? More randomness!
12. Snape - He is one of the most important characters in this book, hence the title "Half-Blood Prince." First of all, they didn't really go into all the research of who the HBP was. It was annoying, I mean it is in the title and it's kind of a big deal. Also, that little hush hush moment between Harry and Snape, before he goes off and kills Dumbledore was just so incredibly awkward. No one is supposed to know Harry is there. It took away from the shock that he was the one to kill Dumbledore. Also, Dumbledore should have been begging a bit more. When I read it I was like OMG, Dumbledore is begging for his life and it shows. Maybe it was Michael Gambon's fault on this, but it's really important in DH! Also, when Harry goes after Snape and the whole "Fight back, you coward!" It should be followed by one of the greatest lines in the book, "DON'T CALL ME A COWARD!" But no, let's just cast a spell that knocks him off his feet and leave. And the fact that Snape revealed that he was the HBP, just didn't have a dramatic effect like it should have.
13. Why did they add the scene where the Death Eaters attacked the Weasleys over the holidays? It was completely pointless. It made no sense. What were they trying to achieve with that scene? It also felt weird that Arthur told Harry about the cabinet...hello, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, shouldn't that have confiscated it! It was just a bit to obvious to what was about to come. The only thing that was somewhat significant they kind of/sort of established Tonks and Lupin had a relationship...which brings be to:
14. Lupin/Tonks, my favorite couple, but not in the movie! It was never firm they had a relationship. And it felt really weird that Tonks calls Lupin "sweetheart." In the book, Tonks' hair isn't a vibrant shade of pink and you know something is going on, but you think it's because she was morning Sirius. It's not until the end (in one of the BEST scenes of HBP, the Hospital scene), where you realize that they are in love and despite what has happened love can prevail in the most difficult of times. They have this chemistry and fire between one another and it just wasn't there. I am incredibly disappointed. And it's not until Dumbledore's funeral that you know if fact that they are going to be together.
15. Dumbledore's Funeral - WHY?!?!? WHY?!?!? It's such a vital scene and would have made such a greater impact on the ending. It was weird enough with the all wands in the sky moment, but why didn't they add it. It shows what a great man he was and what he meant to the wizarding community. Also, he's the first Headmaster to ever have been buried there and with his wand! It doesn't just sit in his office. Not only doesn't it show what a tremendous wizard he was, but there were other elements to that chapter as well. I was expected to get maybe a little teary-eyes, but no. It was just not as dramatic that was necessary. It showed Tonks and Lupin were definitely a couple and led to their relationship would go further in DH. Also, the scene with Harry and Ginny was really really important. I guess it wouldn't be that relevant cause they didn't really go in depth with relationship in the movie, but it's just so moving that Harry says he has to leave her to protect her. It just would have been such a greater ending to the movie, rather than have the trio have their (now tradtional ending) moment alone.
This is just a few of the many problems wrong with the movie, but I thought I would share. I'm sure I will think of more the more I dwell on it. I was incredibly disappointed, but I guess that should have been expected. I'm going to go and read all the books to redeem Harry Potter and truly remind me of why I love it so much! I hope you enjoyed my little rant, whether you agree with it or not, feel free to comment!
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Originally Posted by Slytherin Fox I gave the movie a 4. It was extremely engrossing and well acted, actually one of the best in the series so far if not the best. What kept me from giving a 5 was the cuts. There were some things I felt were really important to the plot, the main one being the pensieve memory which dealt with Tom Riddle's heritage and the fact that he is himself a halfblood. This is something I really wish had been included, as I feel it is a crucial element and shouldn't have been left out. But then, I could be wrong. Hmmm ... I disagree. I wouldn't say Voldemort being a half-blood is really that big of a deal. It gives him motivation but I personally don't care for his motivation. I know he's evil and there is no going back for him. Plus, he's mentioned twice what his heritage is in both Chamber of Secrets and Goblet of Fire. Quote:
Originally Posted by Egyptian_Blue However, the film lacked in what they downplayed and left out. I had been looking forward to the final battle and Dumbledore's funeral especially. The alterations to the death scene were also bothersome. As I said before. The feeling and spirit of Dumbledore's funeral was kept there (and even done better in my opinion) when the students and professors made the Dark Mark go away. Not only was it bittersweet moment but it completely encompassed the feeling of the war to come.
I agree about the battle though. Actually, whenever I read the battle I never really thought of it as ... well ... a battle. It always just seemed like a small skirmish to me, just a few students and professors throughout the halls but never anything epic at all. We got to see a small dose of that when Snape does away with that guard but a bit more of that would have been nice. Hagrid defending his house would have been great too. Seeing Death Eaters attacking poor old Hargrid would have got the movie fans and book fans really nervous because of the possibility of him dying (just as we were nervous that Hagrid might die in the books too). It's okay though. We'll get our grand battle in the final movie. Quote:
Originally Posted by unicornkeeper07 1. The beginning - why the hell did it start with Harry and Dumbledore at the MoM having a photoshoot. That's so not where OotP left off, so it was the most random beginning to any movie. I thought that was actually very nice and it totally captured me right from the beginning of the film. It just showed how Harry was in the center of the public eye and how Dumbledore would protect him always (which, if you think about it, makes his death all the more sad).
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2. I get that they wanted to add a big dramatic scene of the muggles/wizards being caught up in the war and the bridge being torn apart. The Millennium Bridge is pretty prominent and well recognized and visually it was pretty cool, but at least do a follow up (not in the Daily Prophet), how 'bout we stick with the book and use the actual Minister!
I liked what they did and I didn't mind that the only follow up was the Daily Prophet article. But I do agree that they could have pulled off something nice with "The Other Minister." I mean it doesn't have to be more than a five or ten minute scene between Fudge and the British Minister. While they were talking about what has been going on we could see it actually happening in B Roll or something. Definitely a missed opportunity but something I'm not too bummed about at all. Quote:
3. Quidditch - I love Quidditch. It's amazing to watch and it's a neat story. But, the tryouts taken from OotP was a bit annoying. If you're going to keep Quidditch out of one of the books, then it doesn't make that much sense to make a big deal of it in this one. It took up space and took away from more important things from the story.
Eh, I disagree. They focus on the big beats of the comedic story and the dramatic story. I think Quidditch played itself off much like a high school themed movie would do with Football and the "big" football game (American Football, I mean, of course). I liked everything about the Quidditch and how it was handled. But I guess if it was taken away it would have left room for another memory. But I don't think the memory of the lady who owned the thing of Hufflepuff's or Voldemort's heritage was of great importance and the Quidditch just paces better with the flow of the film they ended up making with Half-Blood Prince. Quote:
4. Tom Riddle - You have got to be kidding me??? The bulk of HBP is going in depth with Voldemort and how her became so evil, even before he was even born. How could they cut out the scenes of the House of Gaunt. It's one of the most interesting of scenes and really helps establish the beginning of an evil. Also, when Voldemort asks for a job at Hogwarts has it's significance to and it's that last moment that you see Voldemort with the slightest bit of humanity. Though little orphan Voldemort, played by Hero Fiennes-Tiffin was excellent. This young talent made your skin crawl. He definitely stepped it up and you could see a bit of Uncle Ralph shine through. He definitely hard a dark quality about him. The Slughorn scene with Tom was just average. I liked the teenage Tom in Chamber of Secrets much better.
I already mention my feelings about these cuts. I didn't really need them. I'd forgotten about him asking for a job. I would have liked that though. I actually preferred the teenage Tom Riddle in this one rather than the one in Chamber of Secrets. The Tom Riddle in CoS overacted a bit but was chilling all the same. The actor in this one was much more subtle and much more chilling because of it, I would say. "You don't know what he was like, even then" really rings true for me when I see how manipulative Tom Riddle was "even then." Quote:
5. Stop changing the look of the pensieve! First Harry goes in and it's like he's part of the scene. Not he just sticks his head in for a long period of time (you'd think he'd drown!) and it's all smokey looking. Stick with one look. It gets annoying after awhile.
Different director, different vision. They all choose the way they feel best tells the story visual. For Goblet of Fire Mike Newell thought it would be best if Harry was sitting in the scene (although I don't think it was necassary) and in this one, Yates thought Harry actually being in the scene wasn't very necessary.
Concerning the smoky effect: again, different director, different vision. I definitely like the way the pensieve stuff was done here rather than in GoF, much more eerie. In fact, I would say the smoky effect works better because the memories are concerned with Voldemort rather than a mere trial. Who knows? Maybe memories all take on very different shapes and sizes depending on the memory itself. Quote:
6. Was it any more obvious that Harry is a horcrux? All during DH I kept going back and forth...is he or isn't he? I liked the suspense, but deep down inside I had a feeling he was. So, when Dumbledore is talking about the ring and then Harry goes to touch it...Harry gets all these Voldie flashbacks and then did the neck twitch thing and then the ring goes all spinny. I think that totally gave away that they were connected and clearly meaning that he was connected to Voldie soulfully.
I think you read into that sequence way too much. It definitely did not give up anything about Harry being a final horcrux. Connected to Voldemort? Perhaps. But to go as far to say a horcrux? Nah, not at all. Quote:
7. Harry/Ginny - Um...WTF? Could there be any less chemistry. I think the actors could have pulled it off if they stuck with the book, but the writing was just bad with it. It's like this big pivotal moment that you don't really see coming, but there's this big build between the two of them. I think the flirting with the waitress at the beginning took away from it. And there were hardly any moments where it was just Harry and Ginny to establish he was starting to like her. It felt very forced, with Hermione constantly bringing it up to the point where it was annoying. Also, they really bond more over the book because she knows what it's like to be possessed by a book and how it can have power over you. Ginny never really showed concern about Harry and the potions book, like in the actual HBP book. And then to top it off Ron is okay with it, but not until the end. In the book, it creates a bit of tension, but it smooths out in the end. But, kind of sets the tone of H/G's relationship.
I have to agree. The Harry/Ginny relationship was very weak. Actually, I would say it was the weakest element of the entire film. Though, I enjoyed the kiss. The first time I saw it (I saw it twice) I really didn't like the kiss but the second time I saw it, there was a sweetness to it.
But yeah, there was very little actual chemistry between them. Bonnie Wright seemed nervous in almost every scene she was in and I think that's the opposite of what Ginny's character is. The only scene where I felt she had a shed of confidence was when they were both in the Room of Requirement together. I actually like that the kiss was private rather than public but I'd just wish the scenes leading up to it would have been a bit better, nay, a lot better. Quote:
8. Lavender/Ron/Hermione - I liked Lavender, I think Jessie Cave did a pretty decent job. I just think there were a lot more funnier moments and lines in the book between those two. I just didn't like how they didn't set it up for why Ron was really doing it. Hermione had Viktor, Harry had Cho, it was time for Ron to get a little snogging. I liked the reference to Viktor in HBP as well. It creates more jealousy. I think Emma Watson pulled off the jealousy well for the most part, but again it felt a bit to forced and at times over the top. Plus, when she took Cormac to Slug's party, how the hell would it make Ron jealous. I think there should have been a moment where Ron saw them leaving the common room together or something to show a bit of jealousy with Ron.
I was quite fine with everything pertaining to this storyline. It was very well done. In fact, I think it was a bit too good because it took away from the Harry/Ginny stuff. For instance, the scene when Hermione was asking Harry how it felt when he saw Ginny with Dean ... I didn't feel like Harry really cared when he said "It feels like this" because previously we saw nothing about him really being that jealous of the two of them. When we saw the scene of Ginny and Dean snogging it was really about Ron and Hermione and Ron being uncomfortable. Meanwhile, Harry was too preoccupied looking for Slughorn.
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9. Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes - well this scene was practically ruined since GoF. The fact that it never established that Harry was their benefactor... it just fell short. It was a bit of a calm before the storm moment, but again it was a useless scene that took away from the bulk of the story. There could have been a lot more funny moments like "Why Are You Worrying About You-Know-Who?You SHOULD Be Worrying About U-NO-POO -- the Constipation Sensation That's Gripping the Nation!" Everything I loved about that scene in the book was completely stripped down.
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10. Tom Felton = Best Performance in the Entire Movie. I felt like he really took Malfoy to a defeated state. You could see that he was torn throughout the movie, but I think the writing fell flat between him and Dumbledore. He showed some great emotion, I just felt like if they stuck closer to the book it would have been loads better. It was just annoying that Harry wasn't more upset with what Draco was doing, to the point where he was obsessed and that took away from him getting the memory from Slughorn.
I agree entirely ... up until the point about his exchange withe Dumbledore.
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11. Bellatrix/Death Eaters/Narcissa - So, for people who didn't read the book they're going to be like, "Who's that hairy guy hanging with the Death Eaters?" Well that would be Fenrir Greyback, the most dreaded werewolf, who bit Lupin, but they never really established who he was, just a hairy guy. And just cause you play a werewolf doesn't mean you transform to kind of look like one in human form! I mean look at Lupin! What the hell was with Narcissa's hair?!? The blonde/black look was a no go in my book. She looked hideous! She's a bleach blonde, and the Malfoys are this bleach blonde little family. I can just say thank goodness Helen McCrory didn't play Bellatrix. Helena Bonham-Carter can hardly do no wrong, but I felt like she could have been a bit more crazy like in OotP. I like how she took on the role as Draco's mentor, but that was about it. Also, at the end of the book, there's this big fight scene between Aurors and Death Eaters and that was not there at all. The Death Eaters just walked freely about doing there thing and nothing seemed to happen. I kind of figured from the moment Harry drank all the Liquid Luck that it wasn't going to happen, but I guess they left it out so a battle at Hogwarts will seem more dramatic in DH. And why the hell did they need to burn down Hagrid's Hut? More randomness!
Helena a bit more crazy!? She hit her marks perfectly! And she burned down Hargrid's hut because Bellatrix was crazy!
I have to agree about the battle. There was actually no point to the Death Eaters even being there without the battle.
And with Fenrir Greyback. I'm pretty sure you've read the books ... so why are you worried about people who haven't?
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12. Snape - He is one of the most important characters in this book, hence the title "Half-Blood Prince." First of all, they didn't really go into all the research of who the HBP was. It was annoying, I mean it is in the title and it's kind of a big deal. Also, that little hush hush moment between Harry and Snape, before he goes off and kills Dumbledore was just so incredibly awkward. No one is supposed to know Harry is there. It took away from the shock that he was the one to kill Dumbledore. Also, Dumbledore should have been begging a bit more. When I read it I was like OMG, Dumbledore is begging for his life and it shows. Maybe it was Michael Gambon's fault on this, but it's really important in DH! Also, when Harry goes after Snape and the whole "Fight back, you coward!" It should be followed by one of the greatest lines in the book, "DON'T CALL ME A COWARD!" But no, let's just cast a spell that knocks him off his feet and leave. And the fact that Snape revealed that he was the HBP, just didn't have a dramatic effect like it should have.
I agree with some things you are saying and others I don't agree.
Just a side note though, it seems all the things you missed that were cut were small backstory things. Honestly, if you put in all the things you didn't want cut out: like more memories, Snape backstory ... then you would have an incredibly long movie. Creatively Steve Kloves choose to tell a certain story with Half Blood Prince, which I feel carries over the entire spirit of the book to movie form even if it wasn't letter for letter. But to each his own I guess. I just can't speak to it enough: films are a visual medium, while novels are a very detailed and wordy medium. You can't have all the backstory and small details that you enjoyed in the books. But what you can have is the spirit.
First let me say what I agree with. I definitely agree that they completely missed a huge beat with Snape being outraged with Harry calling him a coward. Actually, at the beginning of the movie I thought they were setting it up when Bellatrix called him a coward for not doing the Unbreakable Vow. I was like, "Oh, that'll come up later in the film." I have no idea why Yates and/or Kloves did not write that into the film. To see Snape that outraged is a marvel but they had him play it very bored and stilted.
I also agree that Dumbledore's plee wasn't done too well either and, in fact, made it too obvious that Snape was a good guy. In the book we see that Snape is angry when he casts the spell. In the movie he, again, looked bored. Dumbledore also doesn't do much pleading like he does in the book. Because they both had played it down so much I thought it made it pain-painstakingly obvious that Snape was told to kill him or he wasn't bad at all. Again, I have no idea why Yates and/or Kloves directed/wrote them that way.
Now that I disagree with is the exchange between Harry and Snape below the tower. I actually thought this was handled better in the film than in the book. In the book, Harry is very passive, well, he's stuck under his cloak and can't move. In the film, Harry actually has the choice to attempt and stop Snape but instead, as Dumbledore always wanted him to do ... he put his trust in Snape and let him go up to help Dumbledore. He made that active choice. The one time he puts his trust in Snape and he goes and kills the last father-figure he ever had. Maybe that didn't rub you the right way for but me, something about that was very heartbreaking and heartfelt. Quote:
13. Why did they add the scene where the Death Eaters attacked the Weasleys over the holidays? It was completely pointless. It made no sense. What were they trying to achieve with that scene? It also felt weird that Arthur told Harry about the cabinet...hello, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, shouldn't that have confiscated it! It was just a bit to obvious to what was about to come. The only thing that was somewhat significant they kind of/sort of established Tonks and Lupin had a relationship...which brings be to:
I feel that the only reason the cabinet stuff was obvious to you is because you had previously read the books. I felt it was an okay set up.
I don't think the attack was completely pointless. I just feel it was somewhat pointless but for difference reason.
The reason they wanted that scene in was because they wanted Harry and friends to actually be involved with the Death Eater attacks they had been reading in the Daily Prophet in the books.
The problem with the scene, though, was that it didn't feel dangerous enough. Or rather, it felt dangerous at points and then it became confusing so I didn't know where the danger was even coming from or if it were even present and then it felt dangerous again and then it kinda of suck. That scene was a bit of up and down. The ending of it was nice but I would have liked to see the Weasley's struggling to get out of the house ... maybe a near death situation or something. The stakes in the scene were not high enough. If anything they could have added Bill and had him get bit or something if they weren't doing it in the final battle at the end. Oh well ... they added a complete new scene and it was just average. Quote:
14. Lupin/Tonks, my favorite couple, but not in the movie! It was never firm they had a relationship. And it felt really weird that Tonks calls Lupin "sweetheart." In the book, Tonks' hair isn't a vibrant shade of pink and you know something is going on, but you think it's because she was morning Sirius. It's not until the end (in one of the BEST scenes of HBP, the Hospital scene), where you realize that they are in love and despite what has happened love can prevail in the most difficult of times. They have this chemistry and fire between one another and it just wasn't there. I am incredibly disappointed. And it's not until Dumbledore's funeral that you know if fact that they are going to be together.
Hmmm ... I would agree but you again, you are talking about adding in another scene that would add on another ten or fifteen minutes to the run time. Something had to be cut and I felt the whole "love/good prevails" over all is depicted in the wand raising scene. So much in the scene covers so much emotion for the book. But again, that's just me. Yates just knows how to rub me the right way. And also ... Lupin and Tonk's relationship is not important to the plot of Harry Potter much at all. It's a very nice piece of backstory that carries some of the book's theme but there is really not much place for it a film adaptation. Quote:
15. Dumbledore's Funeral - WHY?!?!? WHY?!?!? It's such a vital scene and would have made such a greater impact on the ending. It was weird enough with the all wands in the sky moment, but why didn't they add it. It shows what a great man he was and what he meant to the wizarding community. Also, he's the first Headmaster to ever have been buried there and with his wand! It doesn't just sit in his office. Not only doesn't it show what a tremendous wizard he was, but there were other elements to that chapter as well. I was expected to get maybe a little teary-eyes, but no. It was just not as dramatic that was necessary. It showed Tonks and Lupin were definitely a couple and led to their relationship would go further in DH. Also, the scene with Harry and Ginny was really really important. I guess it wouldn't be that relevant cause they didn't really go in depth with relationship in the movie, but it's just so moving that Harry says he has to leave her to protect her. It just would have been such a greater ending to the movie, rather than have the trio have their (now tradtional ending) moment alone.
You say the funeral was vital to the story but your examples didn't seem very vital at all.
I'll bet money that they've moved the Harry and Ginny "breakup" after she gives him his "birthday present" which is all the better. Keep the feeling of that moment in the same movie rather at the end of another. It was sort of weird in the books that they broke up at the end of six and were hooking up at the beginning of the seventh. I'm sure the break up will be in the next one and for all the better.
Also, Tonk and Lupin' relationship, as I said, doesn't matter to the plot much at all (not until the last book/movie).
Again, the wands in the sky did show he was a great wizard and that he meant a lot of Harry and to the wizarding school and community. I guess that wordless scene didn't do it for you, but it did for me (as I've said time and time again). Film is a visual medium and that scene was told all visually. A funeral with a speech would not be optimal in the film medium. I guess people don't understand how visual of a medium film really is.
While I do disagree that the funeral was vital I do feel the final scene in the movie between the trio was a bit wordy. Just a lot of jabber between Harry/Hermione. But it ended well and made it really feel like they had a long trek ahead of them and a huge war to fight.
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i was very upset that they lift out a lot that was in the book. the fight was barely in there, there was no funeral, and there was nothing said about ginny and harry ending it. the movie was very amazing though. and the 7th movies will be much better because they are making 2 movies. luv it tho!
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Originally Posted by rubindo About the poll. Isn't a horcrux bad? so,wouldn't 5 be the worst rating and 1 be the best?
Oh by the way, HBP was awesoooooome. I saw it wednesday, friday, and sunday, and I could see it three more times, too. You're thinking too much  I just thought it was a good substitute for stars or snitches. Quote:
The beginning - why the hell did it start with Harry and Dumbledore at the MoM having a photoshoot. That's so not where OotP left off, so it was the most random beginning to any movie.
It wasn't a photo shoot, it was Dumbledore accompanying Harry out of the MoM. It was meant to bridge the two films together. Though it's debatable how well that works since the ministry wasn't where we were left at the end of OotP. Quote:
3. Quidditch - I love Quidditch. It's amazing to watch and it's a neat story. But, the tryouts taken from OotP was a bit annoying. If you're going to keep Quidditch out of one of the books, then it doesn't make that much sense to make a big deal of it in this one. It took up space and took away from more important things from the story.
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6. Was it any more obvious that Harry is a horcrux? All during DH I kept going back and forth...is he or isn't he? I liked the suspense, but deep down inside I had a feeling he was. So, when Dumbledore is talking about the ring and then Harry goes to touch it...Harry gets all these Voldie flashbacks and then did the neck twitch thing and then the ring goes all spinny. I think that totally gave away that they were connected and clearly meaning that he was connected to Voldie soulfully.
I think that's something that's only obvious if you have read the books and are therefore prone to reading into things. I definitely saw it as foreshadowing. Quote:
Plus, when she took Cormac to Slug's party, how the hell would it make Ron jealous.
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And why the hell did they need to burn down Hagrid's Hut?
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Why did they add the scene where the Death Eaters attacked the Weasleys over the holidays?
To heighten the sense of danger...but it came off like the DEs were just toying with them. Except for the part where they destroyed the Weasley's home. Quote:
David Yates just knows how to work my heart (I loved Order of the Phoenix as well).
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In fact, I think it was a bit too good because it took away from the Harry/Ginny stuff.
But that's also true of the books. The Ron/Hermione storyline has always been more central than that of Harry/Ginny.
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Originally Posted by EmmaRiddle You're not the only one. And not just with the Harry Potter films, either. I think he's a truly brilliant director. I can't believe how much we agree about David Yates. I really want to Netflix his State of Play series and I can't wait to see what he does with The Giver.
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Well for me this movie was choppy. It was like it didn't flow from one scene to the next. It was like a bunch of mini stories that were just connected because of the characters in it.
I did enjoy the teenage Voldemort, he was a bit chilling and engrossing all at the same time. It was like if you didn't catch yourself you would be signing up to be a DE.
The Harry/Ginny thing was a bit lukewarm for me. It was like ok they did start off cold, but the buildup in the movie. Like her dashing into the corn field or whatever that was they ran through was like YES! Go save your man Ginny, but it didn't feel natural. She felt directed to me. I didn't feel the chemistry.
I have to saw I am really upset that Neville spoke once in this whole film, but he was in like 7 scenes. That is just me personally
I like that they sort of took the leash off of Helena. We get to see the utter madness of Bellatrix in this movie. That cackle and little taunting line of hers was still ringing in my ears as I was walking back to my car.
I do hate that they cut out the back story of Voldemort, but then again they could be saving those for the last two movies that way they make more sense, which is what I am hoping they are doing.
I have never been a fan of Hermione in the books nor Emma Watson in the movies. I just don't like Hermione she's never been a believable charrie for me. No on is the intuitive. Its like JK wanted to give a fairy godmother and she gave him Hermione and its like ok I would rather have the fairy godmother. But I swear it was like a flashing neon sign every time she mentioned how Harry Ginny were liking each other. It was like give her a bullhorn already you know.
I did like the Quidditch. And I actually liked Lavender.
Draco and Ron grew the most between this movie and OoTP. And I have to say I like that growth. I mean I thought Draco crying was going to be cheesy, but for me it was heart wrenching and sad. I wanted to wipe his tears.
I want to put this on record. I think Slughorn was dangerously close to out shining Dan and Rupert in this movie. I loved him and Slughorn is now one of my favorites. He brought his hint of whimsy to the charrie I didn't know was possible.
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Originally Posted by Tomasina Riddle Draco and Ron grew the much between this movie and OoTP. And I have to say I like that growth. I mean I thought Draco crying was going to be cheesy, but for me it was heart wrenching and sad. I wanted to wipe his tears. I totally and utterly agree. His crying was almost scary to watch because you see him in such a vulnerable state.
But I disagree that the movie felt choppy. In fact, I thought it flowed very effortlessly. I mean, that transition from the Quidditch party, to Ron and Lavender in the Gryfinndor tower, to Malfoy at the top of the Astronomy tower, all the way back to the halls of Hogwarts. Just thinking about it gives me goosebumps.
Oh and I adored Jessie Cave as Lavender!
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Originally Posted by unicornkeeper07 I have posted this before, but I'm going to post it again--
If you haven't seen the movie, then perhaps you should stop reading at this point--
However, if you have given up on the movies, like I should have after Prisoner of Azkaban, then by all means keep on reading. Here's my rant on why I didn't like the movie so much--
1. The beginning - why the hell did it start with Harry and Dumbledore at the MoM having a photoshoot. That's so not where OotP left off, so it was the most random beginning to any movie.
2. I get that they wanted to add a big dramatic scene of the muggles/wizards being caught up in the war and the bridge being torn apart. The Millennium Bridge is pretty prominent and well recognized and visually it was pretty cool, but at least do a follow up (not in the Daily Prophet), how 'bout we stick with the book and use the actual Minister!
3. Quidditch - I love Quidditch. It's amazing to watch and it's a neat story. But, the tryouts taken from OotP was a bit annoying. If you're going to keep Quidditch out of one of the books, then it doesn't make that much sense to make a big deal of it in this one. It took up space and took away from more important things from the story.
4. Tom Riddle - You have got to be kidding me??? The bulk of HBP is going in depth with Voldemort and how her became so evil, even before he was even born. How could they cut out the scenes of the House of Gaunt. It's one of the most interesting of scenes and really helps establish the beginning of an evil. Also, when Voldemort asks for a job at Hogwarts has it's significance to and it's that last moment that you see Voldemort with the slightest bit of humanity. Though little orphan Voldemort, played by Hero Fiennes-Tiffin was excellent. This young talent made your skin crawl. He definitely stepped it up and you could see a bit of Uncle Ralph shine through. He definitely hard a dark quality about him. The Slughorn scene with Tom was just average. I liked the teenage Tom in Chamber of Secrets much better.
5. Stop changing the look of the pensieve! First Harry goes in and it's like he's part of the scene. Not he just sticks his head in for a long period of time (you'd think he'd drown!) and it's all smokey looking. Stick with one look. It gets annoying after awhile.
6. Was it any more obvious that Harry is a horcrux? All during DH I kept going back and forth...is he or isn't he? I liked the suspense, but deep down inside I had a feeling he was. So, when Dumbledore is talking about the ring and then Harry goes to touch it...Harry gets all these Voldie flashbacks and then did the neck twitch thing and then the ring goes all spinny. I think that totally gave away that they were connected and clearly meaning that he was connected to Voldie soulfully.
7. Harry/Ginny - Um...WTF? Could there be any less chemistry. I think the actors could have pulled it off if they stuck with the book, but the writing was just bad with it. It's like this big pivotal moment that you don't really see coming, but there's this big build between the two of them. I think the flirting with the waitress at the beginning took away from it. And there were hardly any moments where it was just Harry and Ginny to establish he was starting to like her. It felt very forced, with Hermione constantly bringing it up to the point where it was annoying. Also, they really bond more over the book because she knows what it's like to be possessed by a book and how it can have power over you. Ginny never really showed concern about Harry and the potions book, like in the actual HBP book. And then to top it off Ron is okay with it, but not until the end. In the book, it creates a bit of tension, but it smooths out in the end. But, kind of sets the tone of H/G's relationship.
8. Lavender/Ron/Hermione - I liked Lavender, I think Jessie Cave did a pretty decent job. I just think there were a lot more funnier moments and lines in the book between those two. I just didn't like how they didn't set it up for why Ron was really doing it. Hermione had Viktor, Harry had Cho, it was time for Ron to get a little snogging. I liked the reference to Viktor in HBP as well. It creates more jealousy. I think Emma Watson pulled off the jealousy well for the most part, but again it felt a bit to forced and at times over the top. Plus, when she took Cormac to Slug's party, how the hell would it make Ron jealous. I think there should have been a moment where Ron saw them leaving the common room together or something to show a bit of jealousy with Ron.
9. Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes - well this scene was practically ruined since GoF. The fact that it never established that Harry was their benefactor... it just fell short. It was a bit of a calm before the storm moment, but again it was a useless scene that took away from the bulk of the story. There could have been a lot more funny moments like "Why Are You Worrying About You-Know-Who?You SHOULD Be Worrying About U-NO-POO -- the Constipation Sensation That's Gripping the Nation!" Everything I loved about that scene in the book was completely stripped down.
10. Tom Felton = Best Performance in the Entire Movie. I felt like he really took Malfoy to a defeated state. You could see that he was torn throughout the movie, but I think the writing fell flat between him and Dumbledore. He showed some great emotion, I just felt like if they stuck closer to the book it would have been loads better. It was just annoying that Harry wasn't more upset with what Draco was doing, to the point where he was obsessed and that took away from him getting the memory from Slughorn.
11. Bellatrix/Death Eaters/Narcissa - So, for people who didn't read the book they're going to be like, "Who's that hairy guy hanging with the Death Eaters?" Well that would be Fenrir Greyback, the most dreaded werewolf, who bit Lupin, but they never really established who he was, just a hairy guy. And just cause you play a werewolf doesn't mean you transform to kind of look like one in human form! I mean look at Lupin! What the hell was with Narcissa's hair?!? The blonde/black look was a no go in my book. She looked hideous! She's a bleach blonde, and the Malfoys are this bleach blonde little family. I can just say thank goodness Helen McCrory didn't play Bellatrix. Helena Bonham-Carter can hardly do no wrong, but I felt like she could have been a bit more crazy like in OotP. I like how she took on the role as Draco's mentor, but that was about it. Also, at the end of the book, there's this big fight scene between Aurors and Death Eaters and that was not there at all. The Death Eaters just walked freely about doing there thing and nothing seemed to happen. I kind of figured from the moment Harry drank all the Liquid Luck that it wasn't going to happen, but I guess they left it out so a battle at Hogwarts will seem more dramatic in DH. And why the hell did they need to burn down Hagrid's Hut? More randomness!
12. Snape - He is one of the most important characters in this book, hence the title "Half-Blood Prince." First of all, they didn't really go into all the research of who the HBP was. It was annoying, I mean it is in the title and it's kind of a big deal. Also, that little hush hush moment between Harry and Snape, before he goes off and kills Dumbledore was just so incredibly awkward. No one is supposed to know Harry is there. It took away from the shock that he was the one to kill Dumbledore. Also, Dumbledore should have been begging a bit more. When I read it I was like OMG, Dumbledore is begging for his life and it shows. Maybe it was Michael Gambon's fault on this, but it's really important in DH! Also, when Harry goes after Snape and the whole "Fight back, you coward!" It should be followed by one of the greatest lines in the book, "DON'T CALL ME A COWARD!" But no, let's just cast a spell that knocks him off his feet and leave. And the fact that Snape revealed that he was the HBP, just didn't have a dramatic effect like it should have.
13. Why did they add the scene where the Death Eaters attacked the Weasleys over the holidays? It was completely pointless. It made no sense. What were they trying to achieve with that scene? It also felt weird that Arthur told Harry about the cabinet...hello, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, shouldn't that have confiscated it! It was just a bit to obvious to what was about to come. The only thing that was somewhat significant they kind of/sort of established Tonks and Lupin had a relationship...which brings be to:
14. Lupin/Tonks, my favorite couple, but not in the movie! It was never firm they had a relationship. And it felt really weird that Tonks calls Lupin "sweetheart." In the book, Tonks' hair isn't a vibrant shade of pink and you know something is going on, but you think it's because she was morning Sirius. It's not until the end (in one of the BEST scenes of HBP, the Hospital scene), where you realize that they are in love and despite what has happened love can prevail in the most difficult of times. They have this chemistry and fire between one another and it just wasn't there. I am incredibly disappointed. And it's not until Dumbledore's funeral that you know if fact that they are going to be together.
15. Dumbledore's Funeral - WHY?!?!? WHY?!?!? It's such a vital scene and would have made such a greater impact on the ending. It was weird enough with the all wands in the sky moment, but why didn't they add it. It shows what a great man he was and what he meant to the wizarding community. Also, he's the first Headmaster to ever have been buried there and with his wand! It doesn't just sit in his office. Not only doesn't it show what a tremendous wizard he was, but there were other elements to that chapter as well. I was expected to get maybe a little teary-eyes, but no. It was just not as dramatic that was necessary. It showed Tonks and Lupin were definitely a couple and led to their relationship would go further in DH. Also, the scene with Harry and Ginny was really really important. I guess it wouldn't be that relevant cause they didn't really go in depth with relationship in the movie, but it's just so moving that Harry says he has to leave her to protect her. It just would have been such a greater ending to the movie, rather than have the trio have their (now tradtional ending) moment alone.
This is just a few of the many problems wrong with the movie, but I thought I would share. I'm sure I will think of more the more I dwell on it. I was incredibly disappointed, but I guess that should have been expected. I'm going to go and read all the books to redeem Harry Potter and truly remind me of why I love it so much! I hope you enjoyed my little rant, whether you agree with it or not, feel free to comment! I need to say nothing as to why I gave it a three as you have already said it all.  well done! you gave it a proper review that should be seen by more people...
The film was good, but they missed out too much... I've been re-reading HBP and I didn't realise how much wasn't there....
the only things I can think to add to your list is Flitches sencory detector thing, it came into alot of the book and didn't make sense that it wasn't there. They went on about increased security, yet all we saw was Draco being searched by some guy, a bid being killed by the fence and a few troll looking people strolling round... :S
Ron's coming of age... If they intend to make a big thing of Harry's 17th in the next film, Mrs weasley can't exactly go and give Harry Fabians watch if Ron never got his own...
The apparation lessons. Harry and Draco's first confrontation happened in the filst lesson. I think these scenes should have been here in the film because ... well - they made sense in the book, and they all had some form of meaning.
Where was Harry's obsession? ... he didn't follow Draco around atall, sure he got the map out a couple of times, but that was it.
Female Crabbe and Goyles!!!! need I say more? ... They should have totally included that!  So yeah, I just extended your rant
edit: harry/ginny= as its already been said, there was nothing there... and Harry never broke it off with her at the end of the film 'to protect her' so straight away they screwed the last two films up.
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Originally Posted by Antwone Thomas I totally and utterly agree. His crying was almost scary to watch because you see him in such a vulnerable state.
But I disagree that the movie felt choppy. In fact, I thought it flowed very effortlessly. I mean, that transition from the Quidditch party, to Ron and Lavender in the Gryfinndor tower, to Malfoy at the top of the Astronomy tower, all the way back to the halls of Hogwarts. Just thinking about it gives me goosebumps.
Oh and I adored Jessie Cave as Lavender! Yes Jessie Cave was also one of the breakouts. And I felt that if they had given her more lines she would have over shadowed Emma and her constant whining and pining over Ron.
And I am really hating how they are styling Bonnie's hair. It makes her look so frumpy and plain Jane, and Bonnie is really pretty. I just want them to give her hair some body.
Well I don't mean it was choppy during the scenes, it as choppy going from one scene to the next. It didn't seem to flow to me and with them cutting out parts it was hard to see how one thing went to the next.
Like the first scene with Harry in that little shop in the subway and then you get the shot of Dumbledore on the platform well Harry getting over there to him felt choppy to me.
I hated that they changed Harry's speech to Slughorn when he was under the Felix. I thought that speech was moving and it made my heart race the first time I read it and I felt like Dan could have pulled it off more effortlessly than he did the lines they gave him.
To me it was like the film was too funny so they had to inject darkness into and if they had stuck more with the book the darkness would have flowed like water and the humor would have been all the more funnier you know.
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@Tomasina Riddle - The thing about the cut from Harry in the cafe to him walking next to Dumbledore is filmmaking language. You don't need to see Harry traveling all the way over to Dumbledore. You can cut to him already there and you get it. I don't know ... when you watch a lot of movies you'll see a lot of that. You'll see two characters talking about going somewhere or indicating they need to get to a place and in the next shot they are there.
One thing I did feel was choppy ... or not choppy ... but jumpy and confusing is when Dumledore sees young Tom Riddle for the first time and he's standing up and then sitting down and then we see a lot of random shots and then Dumbledore is talking to him. I was like ... WTF just happened?
I forget the exact speech from the book but I do agree I felt more from the book than the movie in that moment.
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Originally Posted by Antwone Thomas @Jessica94ear - When I get home I have so many things to say about you've mention ... so many.
@Tomasina Riddle - The thing about the cut from Harry in the cafe to him walking next to Dumbledore is filmmaking language. You don't need to see Harry traveling all the way over to Dumbledore. You can cut to him already there and you get it. I don't know ... when you watch a lot of movies you'll see a lot of that. You'll see two characters talking about going somewhere or indicating they need to get to a place and in the next shot they are there.
One thing I did feel was choppy ... or not choppy ... but jumpy and confusing is when Dumledore sees young Tom Riddle for the first time and he's standing up and then sitting down and then we see a lot of random shots and then Dumbledore is talking to him. I was like ... WTF just happened?
I forget the exact speech from the book but I do agree I felt more from the book than the movie in that moment. Hun I have more movies in my possession than Warner Bros does so I know about transitions and you can't literally have the actors acting out every tiny detail  My point was that it was just too choppy and disconnected Just like the scene you mentioned. I felt like a schizophrenic watching that part. Firs the wardrobe was on fire and then we were watching Tom and then Dumbledore and it was moving too fast and not making sense. It was confusing to me too.
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Well I gave the Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince movie, a four out of five rating! I really loved it and was excited that they did so well. it was a great product for the thousands wait, millions of fans awaiting the delayed film (from last July). The humor was great and really helped to lighten the mood of the movie, and the darkness was perfectly placed.
The only reason it recieved a four instead of a five from me was because I really would have liked to see the other memories that were in the book and the final battle scene. But I understand why they had to be cut. For the memories, there were alot, so for times sake they had to pick important ones, but in doing this we didnt get to see Voldemort take Morfin's ring, or the Slytherin Locket and Hufflepuff's cup, forshadowing the upcoming Horcruxes. And the Battle because the movie makers didn't want to take away the excitement and suprise of the Final Battle of Hogwarts at the end of the second Deathly Hallows movie. (Which is why, I believe, the attack at the Burrow scene was added, to take place of that action.)
Overall great movie!!! Seeing it again soon!
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1. The beginning - why the hell did it start with Harry and Dumbledore at the MoM having a photoshoot. That's so not where OotP left off, so it was the most random beginning to any movie.
Well I believe they started HBP in this way because they wanted to show how the Ministry now believes Harry about Voldemort's return and that now the entire Wizarding World now has its full attention turned towards him and his actions. (The whole Chosen One situation.) Quote:
2. I get that they wanted to add a big dramatic scene of the muggles/wizards being caught up in the war and the bridge being torn apart. The Millennium Bridge is pretty prominent and well recognized and visually it was pretty cool, but at least do a follow up (not in the Daily Prophet), how 'bout we stick with the book and use the actual Minister!
I actually loved this part it did show the whole everyone is at risk threat from Voldemort and his followers come true in a powerfull way. The reason why they just showed headlines in the Daily Prophet (like they did throughout OotP with all the umbridge and Azkaban breakouts) was because of time purposes and as far as importance to the books, the meeting of the Muggle Prime Minister was pretty low. I would have really liked the movie to show how Fudge has been removed from office and Rufus is the new Minister of Magic though. Quote:
3. Quidditch - I love Quidditch. It's amazing to watch and it's a neat story. But, the tryouts taken from OotP was a bit annoying. If you're going to keep Quidditch out of one of the books, then it doesn't make that much sense to make a big deal of it in this one. It took up space and took away from more important things from the story.
Ok I was a bit annoyed when they removed Quidditch from the Order of the Pheonix movie too, but you have to admit it was a large book. 
But if you remember from the books the Try-out scene was in HBP (Ch.11). As whether or not it was important enough to be placed into the movie, I think it was great and definately belonged. Not only did we get to see Ron's nervousness and Cormac's attitude toward others, but we saw Hermione confund McLaggin forshadowing again to Hermione's feelings about Ron. Quote:
4. Tom Riddle - You have got to be kidding me??? The bulk of HBP is going in depth with Voldemort and how her became so evil, even before he was even born. How could they cut out the scenes of the House of Gaunt. It's one of the most interesting of scenes and really helps establish the beginning of an evil. Also, when Voldemort asks for a job at Hogwarts has it's significance to and it's that last moment that you see Voldemort with the slightest bit of humanity. Though little orphan Voldemort, played by Hero Fiennes-Tiffin was excellent. This young talent made your skin crawl. He definitely stepped it up and you could see a bit of Uncle Ralph shine through. He definitely hard a dark quality about him. The Slughorn scene with Tom was just average. I liked the teenage Tom in Chamber of Secrets much better.
I think they did pretty well with Voldemort overall throughout the movie. I was sad to see that the Gaunt and last Voldemort Hogwarts memory cut. (As I mentioned above.) But I think again it had to be something extremly important like the Horcrux and meeting of tom Riddle memories in order to make it into the already 2 and a half hour movie.
I agree one hundred precent with you about little Tom Riddle. He did make me have chills. I think that the people casting the movie made a good choice that appealed to all those people (like me) that are freaked out by children in creepy roles. 
And finally the teenage Voldemort in the Horcrux memory. I think that the actor portrayed Voldemort's slyness, flattery, and arrogance right on, but I kinda liked the Chamber of Secrets Tom better as well. But I assume there was a problem with the actors availablity. Quote:
5. Stop changing the look of the pensieve! First Harry goes in and it's like he's part of the scene. Not he just sticks his head in for a long period of time (you'd think he'd drown!) and it's all smokey looking. Stick with one look. It gets annoying after awhile.
I didn't really notice anything like that  but I really liked the Pensieve scenes though. Quote:
6. Was it any more obvious that Harry is a horcrux? All during DH I kept going back and forth...is he or isn't he? I liked the suspense, but deep down inside I had a feeling he was. So, when Dumbledore is talking about the ring and then Harry goes to touch it...Harry gets all these Voldie flashbacks and then did the neck twitch thing and then the ring goes all spinny. I think that totally gave away that they were connected and clearly meaning that he was connected to Voldie soulfully.
Yes well I did catch that too. I think that they had to though something in like that for those people (unlike us who read the books, I also, like you suspected he was a Horcrux.) who without reading the books would have in no way ever suspected Harry of being a Horcrux, without the nudge in the right direction. Quote:
7. Harry/Ginny - Um...WTF? Could there be any less chemistry. I think the actors could have pulled it off if they stuck with the book, but the writing was just bad with it. It's like this big pivotal moment that you don't really see coming, but there's this big build between the two of them. I think the flirting with the waitress at the beginning took away from it. And there were hardly any moments where it was just Harry and Ginny to establish he was starting to like her. It felt very forced, with Hermione constantly bringing it up to the point where it was annoying. Also, they really bond more over the book because she knows what it's like to be possessed by a book and how it can have power over you. Ginny never really showed concern about Harry and the potions book, like in the actual HBP book. And then to top it off Ron is okay with it, but not until the end. In the book, it creates a bit of tension, but it smooths out in the end. But, kind of sets the tone of H/G's relationship.
Um I did notice all the romance hints very early in the movie between Harry and Ginny but that's movies for you. They always mess with relationship stuff to make it more "interseting". Quote:
8. Lavender/Ron/Hermione - I liked Lavender, I think Jessie Cave did a pretty decent job. I just think there were a lot more funnier moments and lines in the book between those two. I just didn't like how they didn't set it up for why Ron was really doing it. Hermione had Viktor, Harry had Cho, it was time for Ron to get a little snogging. I liked the reference to Viktor in HBP as well. It creates more jealousy. I think Emma Watson pulled off the jealousy well for the most part, but again it felt a bit to forced and at times over the top. Plus, when she took Cormac to Slug's party, how the hell would it make Ron jealous. I think there should have been a moment where Ron saw them leaving the common room together or something to show a bit of jealousy with Ron.
Ok well I LOVED Jessie Cave as Lavender. I personally thought that all the moments and jokes where Lavender was present were hilarious. (i.e. the train and the mist heart  ) And i thought Emma did very well too. She got to show us that Hermione is human too and the scene where she is crying and upset after the Ron and Lavender kiss was heartbreaking. I aplauded her for both that and the Cormac parts. Quote:
9. Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes - well this scene was practically ruined since GoF. The fact that it never established that Harry was their benefactor... it just fell short. It was a bit of a calm before the storm moment, but again it was a useless scene that took away from the bulk of the story. There could have been a lot more funny moments like "Why Are You Worrying About You-Know-Who?You SHOULD Be Worrying About U-NO-POO -- the Constipation Sensation That's Gripping the Nation!" Everything I loved about that scene in the book was completely stripped down.
I think that the reason that Harry wasn't ever mentioned having helped the twins start their shop in GoF was because the Climax of Voldemort's return wouldn't have been recived as well by movie goers with a business transaction happinging shortly after. Books are different Jo could do it but movies can't. Quote:
10. Tom Felton = Best Performance in the Entire Movie. I felt like he really took Malfoy to a defeated state. You could see that he was torn throughout the movie, but I think the writing fell flat between him and Dumbledore. He showed some great emotion, I just felt like if they stuck closer to the book it would have been loads better. It was just annoying that Harry wasn't more upset with what Draco was doing, to the point where he was obsessed and that took away from him getting the memory from Slughorn.
Tom did do very well! I think they could have built more on how scared he was at the end before trying to carry through on his job of finishing off Dumbledore. I liked in the book when Dumbledore wasn't angry or scared with Draco but offerd to help him and his family. Quote:
11. Bellatrix/Death Eaters/Narcissa - So, for people who didn't read the book they're going to be like, "Who's that hairy guy hanging with the Death Eaters?" Well that would be Fenrir Greyback, the most dreaded werewolf, who bit Lupin, but they never really established who he was, just a hairy guy. And just cause you play a werewolf doesn't mean you transform to kind of look like one in human form! I mean look at Lupin! What the hell was with Narcissa's hair?!? The blonde/black look was a no go in my book. She looked hideous! She's a bleach blonde, and the Malfoys are this bleach blonde little family. I can just say thank goodness Helen McCrory didn't play Bellatrix. Helena Bonham-Carter can hardly do no wrong, but I felt like she could have been a bit more crazy like in OotP. I like how she took on the role as Draco's mentor, but that was about it. Also, at the end of the book, there's this big fight scene between Aurors and Death Eaters and that was not there at all. The Death Eaters just walked freely about doing there thing and nothing seemed to happen. I kind of figured from the moment Harry drank all the Liquid Luck that it wasn't going to happen, but I guess they left it out so a battle at Hogwarts will seem more dramatic in DH. And why the hell did they need to burn down Hagrid's Hut? More randomness!
Ok I also agree that they needed to confirm who Greyback was to non-Potter readers. But on the issue of him looking like a werewolf while not being transformed that is pretty accurate I think. I mean he was not like Lupin is. He has started killing while not transformed and is evil enough to want to harm people, children mostly and positions himself around others before turning. So maybe these acts has mutated him slightly.
On the issue about Narcissa’s hair, that would be the least important thing about her in my book.  I think that other than that, she did a very good job. She could have seemed a little more desperate in the attept to insure Severus’ help for Draco but other than that.
I thought Bellatrix was just as crazy as ever in HBP.  Like when Snape sent Harry flying through the air as he chased Snape and the other Death Eaters, she raised her wand to attack but Severus said no and she had this crazy disappointed look that practically said. “Aw poo! I wanted to torture him.” 
Ok I said above what I felt about the cut of the Battle at Hogwarts between Death Eaters and Order members. But the fire of Hagrid’s hut isn’t random. It happened in the book. As Harry chases away the Death Eaters the big blond one keeps firing hexes and one hit Hagrid’s hut and it is set on fire. Quote:
12. Snape - He is one of the most important characters in this book, hence the title "Half-Blood Prince." First of all, they didn't really go into all the research of who the HBP was. It was annoying, I mean it is in the title and it's kind of a big deal. Also, that little hush hush moment between Harry and Snape, before he goes off and kills Dumbledore was just so incredibly awkward. No one is supposed to know Harry is there. It took away from the shock that he was the one to kill Dumbledore. Also, Dumbledore should have been begging a bit more. When I read it I was like OMG, Dumbledore is begging for his life and it shows. Maybe it was Michael Gambon's fault on this, but it's really important in DH! Also, when Harry goes after Snape and the whole "Fight back, you coward!" It should be followed by one of the greatest lines in the book, "DON'T CALL ME A COWARD!" But no, let's just cast a spell that knocks him off his feet and leave. And the fact that Snape revealed that he was the HBP, just didn't have a dramatic effect like it should have.
They really could have shown Hermione, at least in passing, searching the library, searching the for the Prince’s name, and the History of it.
The hush hush scene. Yeah that was unexpected for me. But I saw it as a bigger betrayel to Harry. I saw it as Snape telling Harry to be quiet and that he was going up there to handle it and then he kills Dumbledore which Harry was not expecting. But it would have been as easy or easier for them to just go ahead with the books and have Dumbledore hide Harry like he really did.
Well if you remember in the book, Dumbledore only begged for his life in the Cave while under the spell of the potion that was causing him harm. But when it came to the Astronomy tower, he offered to help Draco get away and tried to calm him. And even with Snape he says, “Severus, please.” But that was in pleading that he follow through with the promise to kill him that Snape had been reluctant to do before. So he wanted Snape to kill him, he was certainly not begging for his life. (We learned that after DH)
The “I, am the Half-Blood Prince” line should have been more dramatic. I expected to get chills from the moment but it was ok though. Quote:
13. Why did they add the scene where the Death Eaters attacked the Weasleys over the holidays? It was completely pointless. It made no sense. What were they trying to achieve with that scene? It also felt weird that Arthur told Harry about the cabinet...hello, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, shouldn't that have confiscated it! It was just a bit to obvious to what was about to come. The only thing that was somewhat significant they kind of/sort of established Tonks and Lupin had a relationship...which brings be to:
I said my reasoning as to why I think they added the Burrow scene in, at the top first paragraph. It was a bit weird that Arthur told Harry about the Cabinet but he couldn’t have confiscated it because he didn’t know the other one was in Hogwarts. And it was kinda pointless to have Tonks and Remus already together. The only purpose for that, I think, was time. They didn’t feel like showing Tonks all sad and stuff. Quote:
14. Lupin/Tonks, my favorite couple, but not in the movie! It was never firm they had a relationship. And it felt really weird that Tonks calls Lupin "sweetheart." In the book, Tonks' hair isn't a vibrant shade of pink and you know something is going on, but you think it's because she was morning Sirius. It's not until the end (in one of the BEST scenes of HBP, the Hospital scene), where you realize that they are in love and despite what has happened love can prevail in the most difficult of times. They have this chemistry and fire between one another and it just wasn't there. I am incredibly disappointed. And it's not until Dumbledore's funeral that you know if fact that they are going to be together.
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15. Dumbledore's Funeral - WHY?!?!? WHY?!?!? It's such a vital scene and would have made such a greater impact on the ending. It was weird enough with the all wands in the sky moment, but why didn't they add it. It shows what a great man he was and what he meant to the wizarding community. Also, he's the first Headmaster to ever have been buried there and with his wand! It doesn't just sit in his office. Not only doesn't it show what a tremendous wizard he was, but there were other elements to that chapter as well. I was expected to get maybe a little teary-eyes, but no. It was just not as dramatic that was necessary. It showed Tonks and Lupin were definitely a couple and led to their relationship would go further in DH. Also, the scene with Harry and Ginny was really really important. I guess it wouldn't be that relevant cause they didn't really go in depth with relationship in the movie, but it's just so moving that Harry says he has to leave her to protect her. It just would have been such a greater ending to the movie, rather than have the trio have their (now tradtional ending) moment alone.
I am hoping that maybe they will start with all these things in the first DH movie. Kinda like they did with the photo shoot stuff in the beginning of HBP. I missed all of these scenes too!
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Reading all these comments and comparisons make me feel like traitor since I gave the movie five out of five. But then I started thinking, why wouldn't I? I absolutely fell in love with the movie, I loved Tom Felton's acting, I loved Rupert Grint's acting even more, plus the movie actually gives me shivers.
Okay, I do know that it's not 120% loyal to the book. It's disappointing, but yet again it's not. It may be sad that all our favorite scenes weren't there, but hey, how could've they fitted all that into 2,5 hour movie? And the things said about those odd scenes they've added... Well, I see it this way: even if you have read the books, the movie can give something new or even surprise you. And I have to say: If you think Potters' differ from the books, try "Slumdog Millionaire". Now there's a bright, shiny contrast between the book and the movie... (:
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^^^ Totally agree with you man! You seem to get it! Films and novels are different!
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I have the film 5 Horcruxes (my original rating had a 4.5 score, so I just rounded up just for the poll  ). Anyway, here is the link to my post containing my thoughts on the film.
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