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| | Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone Harry's introduction to the Wizarding world. | Vote for SS!
12-08-2006, 02:32 PM
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| | Kappa
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Vince Emrys Third | Was Voldemort there in Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone? I haven't been reading HP for a while, so please correct me. Could Voldemort has disguised the bartender in the first book?
HPPS pg. Quote:
The low buzz of chatter stopped when they walked in. Everyone seemed to know Hagrid; they waved and smiled at him, and the bartender reached for a glass saying, "The usual, Hagrid?"
"Can't, Tom, I'm on Hogwarts business," said Hagrid.
| Again please correct me if I'm wrong. I haven't read this book in a while.. |
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12-15-2006, 10:57 AM
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| | Hippocampus
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Mortis Lucifer Shazwozzle First | Like you, i havent read the Philosophers Stone (Sorcerer's Stone in America, Philosphers here in Aus), so i'm going off memory. Its the Leaky Cauldron you're talking about, yeah? Wasn't Professor Quirrel there then with Voldemort firmly attached to the back of his head? So i'd say that yes, Voldemort was there, but not in the way you're seeing it.
Again, thats purely off memory so someone correct me if thats wrong. |
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12-16-2006, 07:24 PM
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| | Troll
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Jeff Braunswieger Fourth Year | Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenix_Ashes Like you, i havent read the Philosophers Stone (Sorcerer's Stone in America, Philosphers here in Aus), so i'm going off memory. Its the Leaky Cauldron you're talking about, yeah? Wasn't Professor Quirrel there then with Voldemort firmly attached to the back of his head? So i'd say that yes, Voldemort was there, but not in the way you're seeing it.
Again, thats purely off memory so someone correct me if thats wrong. | In The Sorcerer’s Stone Professor Q. did indeed shake Harry’s hand, BUT remember when Harry met Q in the mirror room he said his master was staying closer to him after the failure in the bank. The bank robbery wasn’t attempted until after Harry got his gold, which was after he met Q in the Cauldron. |
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12-28-2006, 02:51 PM
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| | Chizpurfle
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Sixth | I think Q somehow picked up LV while roaming the forest at Hogwarts. |
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12-28-2006, 03:36 PM
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| | Chizpurfle
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| Yes, You're right Darlinga.
Some time before Harry's arrival at Hogwarts, Quirrell travelled through Europe researching the Dark Arts. There were rumours that he encountered vampires in the Black Forest. However, it wasn't a vampire but the bodiless Voldemort. During his European travels, Quirrell discovered the barely-alive Voldemort, who had been in hiding since his failed bid to kill Harry as an infant. Quirrell became attracted to Voldemort's offers of power, and transported Voldemort back to Britain with him.
Harry first meets Quirrell (who was being possed by Voldemort) at the Leaky Cauldron, a famous pub in London, while being escorted by Hagrid to Diagon Alley to shop for school supplies. Tom is the, old, bald, toothless, innkeeper at the Leaky Cauldron. Eventhough he does not appear as bald or toothless in the movie version. |
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01-15-2007, 07:24 PM
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| | Jarvey
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| i am acctuallt re reading this book right now. I'm going to say it probably wasn't only becuase Voldemort could not have a body. But i do remember reading that when they got to school Harry noticed Quirrle's strange turban which would mean he didn't have it when they met at the leaky cauldron. SO i could be wrong... |
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01-25-2007, 07:16 PM
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| | Giant Squid
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Macadrian A. Shackleton Graduated Ministry RPG Name:
Reagan F. Taylor Minister's Office | I highly doubt that the barman in the pub was Voldemort. Tom the barman had worked in that bar before Tom Riddle even knew he could perform magic! If you reference HBP, in Dumbledore's memory of going to the orphanage to offer Tom a spot at Hogwarts, there is mention of Tom (bar man).
"Dumbledore handed Riddle the envelope containing his list of equipment, and after telling Riddle exactly how to get to the Leaky Cauldron from the orphanage, he said, 'You will be able to see it, although Muggles around you - non-magical people, that is - will not. Ask for Tom the barman - easy enough to remember, as he shares your name-'"
Riddle then reveals his disdain for the ordinary name Tom. I think that we can assume that his revulsion of being considered anything less than special and even moreso, anything that would remind him of his Muggle father, would prevent him from even associating with Tom the barman, let alone possessing such an "ordinary" person. |
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02-12-2007, 02:53 PM
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| | Plimpy
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Keller James Fourth | I'm with Ginny here. When Harry first met Quirrel in the Leaky Cauldron Quirrel was not wearing the turban (however, Quirrel did have the turban on the first day in the Leaky Cauldron in the movie) meaning there was no Voldemort attached to the back of his head. On the first day at Hogwarts Harry specifically notices the "odd" turban on Quirells head, meaning he didn't notice it in the Leaky Cauldron so Quirrel more than likely didn't have it on then. He probably obtained the turban and Voldemort sometime between that day and the first day of school (I can get a specific time of any one wants me to do that). |
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03-18-2007, 09:19 PM
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| | Chizpurfle
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| Quote:
Originally Posted by cannonkeller I'm with Ginny here. When Harry first met Quirrel in the Leaky Cauldron Quirrel was not wearing the turban (however, Quirrel did have the turban on the first day in the Leaky Cauldron in the movie) meaning there was no Voldemort attached to the back of his head. On the first day at Hogwarts Harry specifically notices the "odd" turban on Quirells head, meaning he didn't notice it in the Leaky Cauldron so Quirrel more than likely didn't have it on then. He probably obtained the turban and Voldemort sometime between that day and the first day of school (I can get a specific time of any one wants me to do that). |
In the book Quirell became attracted to Voldemort's offers of power, and returned to Britain with the Dark Lord. This is in the summer before Harry's frsrt term at Hogwarts. At first Voldemort allowed Quirrell to act on his own. Quirrell was able to shake hands with Harry in the Leaky Cauldron, and was not wearing the turban, meaning that Voldemort was not possessing him at that point. He was only in Quirell's care.
Voldemort used Quriell to attempt to steal the SS from Gringotts. This was later the same day that Hagrid & Harry visited Diagon Alley to shop for school supplies. After Qurriell failed at this Voldemort decided to keep a closer watch on his new servant.
He took possession of Quirrell's body, AFTER the failed break-in, which caused his face to appear on the back of Quirrell's head. To hide this, Quirrell took to wearing the turban. The funny ordor surrounding Quirrell was NOT garlic but Voldemort's body.
In order to keep Voldemort alive, Quirrell had to kill unicorns in the Forbidden Forest, drinking their blood to provide temporary life-sustaining powers for Voldemort. However, in the movie, Harry meets Prof. Quirrell in the Leaky Cauldron. He is wearing the turban and does not shake Harry's hand.
At the end of SS in the Book, Voldemort orders Quirell to attack Harry. Harry holds off Quirell until help arrives. Voldemort flees, back in his spirit form. Voldemort's departure causes Quirrell to die.
At the end of the SS movie, Harry kills Quriell by putting his hands on him and turning his body into ash. Voldemort flees in spirit form.
Voldemort was still more or less just a spirit or ghost. He did gain some strength from Quirrell and the unicorn blood BUT he was no way near strong enough to do much more. If he was, then Voldemort would NOT of needed Quirrell in the first place. Also, Voldemort doesn't have his wand yet. He dosen't get that back until GoF. |
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11-28-2007, 11:42 PM
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| | Horklump
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Cordina First | No because rememer he is on the back of quirell's head and he was at the bar... so no  |
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03-03-2008, 04:42 PM
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| Fanpire Caity Faerie
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Elphie-Glinda Thropp Second Year | Hes atached to Quirell but hes not Tom the bartender if thats what your saying. |
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06-16-2008, 03:11 PM
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| | Gnome
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Hogwarts RPG Name: unsorted | Tom was not voldemort.
Proffessor Quirrel was voldemort. He was on the other side of his head.
Thats why he didnt shake Harry's hand because well you saw what happened at the end.
Harry touched him and he basically burned? or whatever.
thats in the movie tho.
i guess they just wanted to show that Quirrel couldnt bear to touch Harry for some reason..
but no Tom is just Tom. |
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07-01-2008, 01:20 PM
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| Random Generic TagDoofer Do Erkling
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Hogwarts RPG Name: vivianne (via) nat Second Year | Tom was not Voldemort..
Professor Quirrel was not Voldemort either..
Voldemort used Professor Quirrel, He had shared with professor Quirrel's body
(voldemort's face was at Professor Quirrels head), That's why Professor quirrel used a turban after he came back from somewhere i guess, he just made the Story that someone gave it to him.
it's not stated in the book if professor quirrel had been using the turban, but i think he already had the turban when Harry and him accidentally met at the Leaky Cauldron. Professor Quirrel was stuttering and his face was twitching, normally he can speak without stuttering and twitching. Remember at the last part of the book when Harry met the man with two faces, Quirrel wasn't Stuttering at all nor his face twitching. Quote: |
Professor Quirrel, in his absurd turban, was talking to a teacher with greasy lack hair, a hooked nose, and sallow skin. pg.126 SS
| That's stated in the book, when Harry saw Quirrel at Hogwarts, just after the sorting and all the students and even the staffs were enjoying the food.
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