Nah, just a friendly conversation, a war? whatever gave you that idea?

Hey!, Marcella, one little thing, tell me your version of the prophecy, do you think Voldemort had a choice. I mean ¿do you think he chose to try to kill Harry?. Just curious.

I know u asked marcella but i just wanted to say that what i already wrote on the previous page, that harry is the one.as we all know.
but voldemort as i said, didnt hear the full prophecy and therefore could have thought neville was the one and killed him(cause i think that it was meant for HARRY POTTER not neville, but voldemort didnt knw that so he could have went for the wrong boy,deffintiely)
and thinking that was it. then later he'd hear the full prophecy and know he wasnt suppose to die if he was the one, he'd mark him as his equal, he would have found harry later even if he went for neville. since harry is obviously the one. BUT voldemort could easily have gone for neville, thinking he did it, now the one is out of the way, he beat the prophecy...one he only heard 2 sentences of. although that wouldnt make a great book though
i guess voldemort didnt even think about neville, also born in the end of the 7th month-he certainly made the right CHOICE-he took the right boy...

I think he had a choice and if he ahd chosen Neville than it maybe have been easier to kill him.

if neville was killed as i said, he wouldnt be the one. then it was meant for only harry. but voldemort made the choice in going for harry, obviously the first boy hat popped in his mind that he thought was deff the one.and right he was. he certainly marked him and was unable to kill him. (well we all know that)

Your timing really sucks, lol. Here i am trying to prove that i can have a calmed discussion with someone who disagrees with me (and who better than you right? ), and you choose this of all times to agree with me on something?!?
Seriously, yeah, i think he had a choice too. Actually i think he had lots of choices, and every choice he made took him farther and farther into the path of evil. He chose to be a dark wizard, he chose to kill his father, he chose to try to take over the world, he chose to try to kill Harry. One thing led to another. Dumbledore said so himself, it's our choices what make us who we are.

yepp.excactly.


well it wasnt for me but: you guys crack me up, today i need it, got a bad hangover...

Yeah, noone really knows if choosing Neville would have been wrong, 'cause he didn't do it. It's always like that in life, we don't know how things would have turned out if we had done things differently, 'cause we only see one outcome. We know what happened when Voldemort tried to kill Harry, but we'll never know what would have happened if he had tried to kill Neville, 'cause he didn't choose to try to kill Neville.

excactly. we only see one outcome. that is why the choices we make in life has to be considered good, cause it can cause your life to either this way or that way. voldemort went for harry, and he did mark him as his equal. not knowing that he should have waited untill he was older to SEE and get to know his powers.

Your timing really sucks, lol. Here i am trying to prove that i can have a calmed discussion with someone who disagrees with me (and who better than you right? ), and you choose this of all times to agree with me on something?!?
Seriously, yeah, i think he had a choice too. Actually i think he had lots of choices, and every choice he made took him farther and farther into the path of evil. He chose to be a dark wizard, he chose to kill his father, he chose to try to take over the world, he chose to try to kill Harry. One thing led to another. Dumbledore said so himself, it's our choices what make us who we are. [/b][/quote]
we have more in common than you think.

Well isn't it nice to be able to have a discussion in here and not be lectured every other post.

Here's my full opinion:

I think if Voldimort had chosen to go after Neville, and if Neville's mom had died trying to protect him as Harry's mother had done, then the books would be about Neville and not Harry. Neville would be the one to be able to speak parseltongue and all that and would have the scar. I'm more about the choice than the fate of the prophecy.

Here's my reason, Dumbledor said the prophecy was for sure about Harry because Voldimort marked him as his equal. It was the act of marking that made the decision between the two of them.

That's my opinion and I won't be swayed!

So don't even try it! :flowersmile: LoL

i totally agree with you! hehe...

yes obviously. BECAUSE harry IS the one. not neville, as u say, then the books would be about neville.... BUT thats nto the thing here, the ''case'' is that did voldemrot have a choice....yes if he had chosen neville, and tried to kill him neville would be the one, cause both harry and neville was born in the 7 th month! BUT voldemort went for harry, so harry is the one, neville cant be the one cause voldemort marked harry by trying to kill HARRY NOT NEVILLE.

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Oh, I thought I made that clear (probably not). I do think Voldimort had a choice. He chose Harry. It was the marking of Harry that fulfilled the prophecy.

If the prophecy was worded with Harry's name in it, then Voldimort would not have had the choice. However, the prophecy is about the one who was marked. Voldimort marked Harry, but he could have "chosen" to mark Neville.

I don't expect anyone to agree with me. That's just my opinion.

I do basically agree. Based on the prophecy in whole, we know that there were two people to whom the prophecy could pertain. there were two sets of parents who had evaded Tom thrice (the longbottoms and the potters) both of whom had children who were born at the end of July.

This much Tom knew. So, he looked and had to decide whether to pick Harry or Neville. If Tom had gone to Neville's, Tom would have killed Neville's parents, marked Neville, and then his power would have broken (just like it did after he attacked Harry).

Dumbledore asserts that Tom chose Harry because they both had muggle blood (Tom saw himself in Harry and, thus, a more substantial threat). The only thing that Tom didn't know about the prophecy was that his power would break and that he would give the targetted child some of his (tom's) powers.

So, it could have been Neville or Harry, depending on whichever Tom chose. The only way to say that it must have been Harry is if you believe that everything is predetermined and that there was no way that Tom could have done anything but choose Harry (very easy to read into this when looking retrospectively).

Tom did have the choice, as Dumbledore states, so - long story short, I agree!

yes i totally agree.

cause there were two possibilities. and as voldemort marked harry, that's who became the one.

IF, as voldemort should have done, he had waited untill both harry and neville got older, he could have seen who was the strongest wizzard, and chose the weekest, (easier kill for voldemort) BUT as voldemort hadnt heard the full prophecy, obviously that didnt happen.

harry is the one.

voldemort had a choice, although he didnt know that.

neville is the weeker one.
harry is the one.

voldemort and harry will fight til the end.

leaving ONE.

Would it have been "an easier kill" for Tom to wait to see who was stronger or weeker? Had Tom waited, Harry might not have been as strong as he is (by benefitting from the transfer of powers). Also, even if Tom waited, he could not have killed Neville in one shot because Tom still would have had to mark Neville as an equal (and Tom's power would have been broken).

The real question to ask is whether Neville would be as strong as Harry, if Tom had transferred power to Neville?

maby he marked harry because of the strength his parents had in geting a way from him 3 times he thought that harry was more of a thrreat than nevil. something must of made him choose harry and not nevil

I thought Dumbledore said he thought Tom might have picked Harry because both he and Harry were not Pure blood, whereas Neville was pureblood.

i think voldemort only knew about harry..he didnt hear the full prophecy remember..and yes, marking harry when he got older would b smarter,cause now the powers he transferred has grown and he has gotten to use them and become strong.knowing that voldemorts after him. had voldemort waited,harry would have been caught with his pants down... wouldnt have had years to become strong..to expect the attacks.

The Longbottoms had also evaded Tom three times - and Tom knew about that part of the prophecy. On the other hand, if Harry/Neville were attacked when they were older, while there would not be as much a familiarity with Tom's powers (parselmouth, shared feelings, &c), they would be much more adept and would have much more power with which to take advantage of Tom's transferred powers.

excactly. had voldemort waited, as i said, and marked him as a 15-17 year old, harry wouldnt have had the powers untill then and would use even longer time to find out he had them, and therefore even longer until he would have found out how to use them to take voldemort down.

Yep,

and also, its not likely that Lily would have been right there to die for Harry if Voldimort would have waited to attack - therefore Harry would probably just have died and not been protected by the love charm.

true. But why is it that at the end of the seventh month the person born at that particular time will conquer the "Dark Lord"?

yea its all kinda mysterious