lol. yes HARRY is the one in the prophecy.

Yes Indeed, as we know and knew But voldemort of course didnt. for all he thought he could have tried neville. cause it suited him too. but obviously he wouldnt have been marked cause he wasnt The One.

and why didnt trelawney say HARRYs name though, she SAW,she KNEW that HE was it. but she also knew he wasnt the only boy born in the end of the 7th month, was she leaving it all up to faith somehow by not actually saying harry.

I disagree, but i'm really tired of discussing the same thing again and again, and i'm *really* tired of that "i'm speaking with some stupid five year old" tone you're using so i'm not going on with this. Why repeat the same thing again and again?, it's like crushing my head against a brickwall.

I know what you mean Luz,
we all have our way of seeing it all, and little details such as could it actually have been neville...we do not know though,
dumbledore said to harry when harry said, so it could be neville?!
albus: no harry u are the one.
because that is who voldemort went after.he didnt hear the full prophecy.did not know he would make him his equal.

but we dont know if he went for neville instead of harry,
if then neville would be the one, beacuase we dont know if the prophecy could be meant for more then one, and that the first one,(which in this case was harry) he got to would be THE ONE.

It would never have been Neville I thought we established this?

you never know though, cause he never went for neville did he.
there si no right or wrong here, JK knows though.

you never know though, cause he never went for neville did he.
there si no right or wrong here, JK knows though.

*sighs* you just dont get it. HARRY IS THE ONE, NOT NEVILLE! and no, I do know, as it has been said, it is NOT Neville.

I DO know harry is THE one.

BUT it could have been neville, we dont know if it was assigned for only ONE.
we don't know what would happen if he went for neville first, if the prophecy indeed was for more then one. that the first he got to would be the one.

We do know Harry had to be the one because otherwise Voldemort wouldn't have gone after him.
Voldemort going after Neville would've been a violation of the prophecy, which can't be done.

Yeah, Harry is the one, but what i'm saying is that he is the one 'cause Voldemort tried to kill him and marked him fulfilling the prophecy. What i mean is the one that the prophecy talked about wasn't an specific person, but a title, and Voldemort confered that title to Harry when he tried to kill him.
The prophecy doesn't specify the name which leaves space to speculate that if Voldemort had chosen to try to kill Neville then the title of the one would have gone to Neville instead of Harry.
But of course Harry is the one, he is the one who has to vanquish the dark lord, 'cause the dark lord marked him as his equal. What i disagree with is the concept that Voldemort never had a choice, he had, he could have tried to kill Neville. Off course he tried to kill Harry or the books would be Neville and... but i think he had a CHOICE.
In a nutshell, what i mean is the prophecy didn't mean Harry was the only one, the dark lord made him the one.
And don't *sigh*, from where i'm standing you're the one who doesn't get it. We are all entitled to our point of view you know.

what i mean i voldemort could easily have thought it was neville an gone for him, i know it is meant for harry, and voldemort did go after the right one, but he voudl easily have taken neville instead. obviously harry is the one,and voldemort fullfilled the prophecy, im just saying as fast as THAT!he could have taken the wrong person and killed neville and never gone after harry , he didnt even hear the full prophecy. he didnt know he would be markes as his equal,that it would backfire.

Exactly, he went for Harry, he made the choice of trying to kill Harry. But i don't need to say it to you since we are on the same page :flowersmile:
The only one who has the right to say we're wrong by saying Voldemort didn't have a choice is J.K.

yesss luz, i know we're seeing the same thank god.

I agree with Luz and Ms Potter. Remember they didn't add Harry's name to the prophecy until after Voldimort tried to kill him and he survived.

It wasn't all fate, some of it was Voldimort's choice. Or at least the fate was that it was Voldimort's choice.

Whatever

excactly.

Right, look, it's been a long day and I don't want to go into this again. Harry's name was not put on the prophecy automatically because nobody except Trelawney-in-trance-mode knew it was him.
I don't think so. Fate decided that Voldemort would kill Harry; Voldemort thought he had a choice, Dumbledore was waiting to see who was attacked because that would've been the specified person all along. :flowersmile:
Voldy believed that he could choose either boy and what he believed to be 'choice' was actually guided by Fate and was, therefore, in accordance with the prophecy. The prophecy was saying that Voldy had to "choose" Harry, but Voldy never really decided anything for himself.
If the whole Boy-Who-Lived thing had been random and not prophecied, sure, Voldy could've gone for whoever he wanted. But then he wouldn't have any motive, would he?
Yes, that was what I thought at first reading it. However, the Dark Lord couldn't have made Harry the one - he was the one to begin with. Trelawney said, "The one with the power," not, "One out of the two possible choices with the power." The prophecy only applied to one person to begin with and that person had to be Harry, otherwise Voldy wouldn't've marked him.
Think what you want, but I'm pretty sure I'm right.
All the same, I've had eleven hours sleep in two days and I've got football training in the morning, so please just change the subject.
I understand what I'm saying but if you don't so be it and forget I ever brought it up if that'll make things better.
Please don't be as stubborn as me because BELIEVE ME you haven't seen stubborn yet. I just keep going on and on until I've proved I'm right and by then, nobody cares anymore.
Now I'm going upstairs to read the last of Monstrous Regiment and nobody is going to stop me - not even people who will argue their case like Tolkien purists (good God that was an epic struggle... haven't been able to show my face in LOTRplaza ever since...)

Just because you think you're right doesn't mean you are. And we can talk about the prophecy until we want to since the topic is "The Prophecy Discussion, Talk about the prophecy here". So if you're tired go somewhere else.
There is no worse kind of ignorance than thinking you know it all.

Yeah, it's not your job to make us understand or even agree with your point of view. I wasn't asking for your to explain it over again. I was just stating my point of view.

I'm not saying I am right, but I'm nearly certain that I am. I'm not saying you have to believe me, I'm just trying to explain my POV without everyone jumping down my throat.
I mean talk about a different aspect of the prophecy cos you don't believe/do not want to believe my interpretation of it.
I don't think I know it all, actually, I just have a theory about the prophecy. The only ignorant person in this forum seems to be you, as you are utterly determined not to look at this topic in any way other than your own.
I think that the worst kind of ignorance is narrowmindedness, but then that's my opinion and that's my interpretation of pig-headedness, so please don't start telling me my views are wrong again.

LOL, you have some nerve to barge in here feeling all ill done by and misundertood, you act as if your version is the only that counts, when you treat the ones that disagree with you like stupid wayward children. And talk as if what you say is the final word.

You even menace us to show your true self if we refuse to accept your version, as if it was the one that counts, and YOU of all people accuse me of not respecting your point of view.
I'm not the one who's been acting all impatient, and condecending just because some people disagree with you.

Obviously what you want is to pick a fight, and i don't feel much like going into a flame war with you. I won't resort to name calling, call me whatever you want, i won't sink to your level.

Never mind HP wars, there's one going on here!

YESSS of course harry is the one!

BUT voldemort could easily have gone for neville but obviously it wouldnt have marked him as his equal.
by that i mean: he could have gone for him, killed him and thinking that was it. i did it, now he's out of my way.because he didnt hear the full prophecy and didnt know he would mark him as his equal, that he was unable to kill him, but instead marked him as his equal.(would have wish to see his face when his death spell didnt work on harry, a BABY) because he was THE ONE. the point is voldemort could have gone for neville, and killed him(obviously he would have since he isnt the one) and thought that it was over, then later these days he would have found out and heard the full prophecy and oviously know harry is the one. that could have been a scenario if he went for neville. thats what i mean. voldemort didnt know harry was the one, he had a ''lucky'' guess there. or should i say unlucky, had he heard the full prophecy the smart thing would obviously be to wait untill harrys older, but hey, that didnt happen did it.