but Dumbledore says in his office that the prophercy keeper put Harry's initials on the sphere after the attack on his parents because he(the prophercy keeper) thought it seemed appropriate. So Neville wouldn't have been able to touch for a reason i do not know :online2long:

DOES IT MEAN HARRY'S SORT OF IMMORTAL???

Because, it looks as if he can only be killed by Voldemort. Or doesn't it? I mean either he has to kill Voldemort of Voldemort kills him, so if Death Eaters attach Harry, he shouldn't be able to die...

I'm confused! Discuss.

no he can be K i l led but i f harry dies the charm will be lifted even if it was not done by Voldy (i think) :wub: :mrgreen:

It's a possibility, however it would be quite far-fetched as this would have been known to Dumbledore. On second thought maybe not, but it would seem Harry MIGHT have been given this by Voldemort since he was doing experiments on immortality on himself.

We won't probably know until the last 2-3 chapters of book 7.

The prophecy tells us this much about their lives and deaths: ... and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives...
So this means:
a. Voldemort must kill Harry or Harry must kill Voldemort
b. Whatever way the death is, if Harry dies, so must Voldemort and if Voldemort dies so must Harry

Now, Voldemort tried to kill Harry. If he had succeded in killing Harry, he should have died aswell, shouldn't he? Neither can live while the other survives...
In this case of course, Lily's countercurse made it impossible for him to kill Harry and the curse reflected on him. BUT Voldemort could not die because Harry was still alive, right?

So Harry or Voldemort must die at the same time and can only be killed by each other. Does this mean that they are sort of immortal? I mean imagine they never come near each other and keep out of each other's way, they could never die, could they? If this is true and imagine Harry works it out: he could do like anything he wanted to! He could walk up to Lucius Malfoy (well if he wasn't in Azkaban) and annoy him, but he couldn't be killed by him only by Voldemort.

Hmmm... I'm not sure if that really means that if one of them dies the other would too, although what you're saying sense But if it says 'neither can live while the other survives', doesn't that just mean that one of them has to kill the other eventually? Sorta like 'this town ain't big enough for the both of us' type of thing... And what you said, phoebe_phoenix, about how Voldemort couldn't die when he tried to kill Harry because Harry was still alive... well, you also said how they could only be killed by each other, so if what u were saying was right then Voldemort could have been killed and had Harry die then too, but that didn't happen... Hmmm, not sure if I made sense right there, lol. Anyways, so I think that the prophecy doesn't necessarily mean that both have to die... I think just one has to kill the other

The notion that Tom would have to die for Harry to die is a bit specious. If that were the case, then Dumbledore would serve no purpose in not killing Harry, and that, theoretically, the only way for Harry to win is to commit suicide (which is highly unlikely).

What the prophecy does say is, as x.padfoot.x says, it's more of a showdown. One has to kill the other. This takes me to the final points, that the neither can live while the other survives doesn't mean that if one dies so too does the other. It seems to mean (with the rest of the prophecy) 1 of 2, not both.

The prophesy states it quite clearly:

Harry can only be killed by Voldemort, but that doesn't make him immortal. After Voldemort is defeated (I hope so) the terms of the prophesy would have been fulfilled, so Harry will have the choice to die whenever and with any way he prefers :mrgreen:

When I read it I thought if Voldie died Harry whould to and if Harry dies Voldie dies. But then Dumbledore said that they are the only ones who can kill each other. Ohhh now I'm confused!

My take is that only Harry can kill Tom (the one withthe power to destroy the Dark Lord). Tom is not the only person who can kill Harry, but nobody else will end up killing Harry because Tom must die at Harry's hand or vice versa. So, it only ends up that Tom can kill Harry because they must do combat, but if Harry doesn't kill Tom, nobody can/will.

My idea is that if HARRY dies then Voldemort dies also....but if HARRY killls Voldemort then the curse would be broking and by the love in Harrys heart for his parnets he seeks (like a seeker) for the death of the erson who had killed them....so then Harry will survive forever


IDK I THINK HARRY CANT DIE

DRACO RULES

Well, I don't think Harry can't die. I always supported the theory that both Harry and Voldemort will die at the end of book 7.

So, Harry is the only one to kill Voldie.
Voldie though is not the only one who CAN kill Harry, but who probably will because that is what Trelawney saw in the prophecy.

This is really confusing...

My theory is that Luna will have a big role in future books, not only that but i couldnt ignore the various hints that JK left us about luna liking Ron ...EWWW :angrysmile: i definitley think it should be ron and hermione.. anyway what are your thoughts??

i have no idea of what to think. im still in a state of shock over what happened to my fave character (the death) oh god im gunna go cry now BYE

She'll definitly play a key role. I think Neville might become a bigger character as well, but I know Luna will be indespensible in future books. I have a feeling her knowladge of mythical creatures and things others don't always believe in might be a part of this.

good point

I hadnt thought about neville good thinking but do you think her role will ... :wub: ... tie in with any others??

I dont think that they are both going to die!!!!! iwe atleast I dont like that idea .. I really belive that harry will triumph over voldie

That might be a nice ending, but would make it like: they lived happily ever after. I think it would be really good if Voldemort won, because that would be a very dark ending to the books and would shock everyone.

Basically I still stick to the theory that both Voldemort and Harry will die.

Again, netequavaris wisdom reigns through the forums . . .

<gazes in awe>

One thing is sure, they'll bith live to see the 7th book! (duh!)

well, the prophecy didn't tell us anything new did it. We all knew that they both couldn't live, and Harry would have to battle Voldemort blaj blah blah whatever. But, it doesn't mean Harry can only be killed by Voldemort, and, until recently, Voldemort was the only pwerson who couldn't kill Harry, cos of the protection Harry's mother had over him. I think that saying Voldie is the only one who can kill Harry is wrong. After all, that would mean no one could hurt Harry, so I don't think it is right.

I also think that saying they both have to die is wrong. Doen't mean they both won't die. Neither can live while the other survives basically means that Harry has to kill Voldemort in order to survive or vice-versa.

Exactly, but I thought, that was what the prophecy was saying. It doesn't mean nobody can HURT Harry, it just means they can't KILL him. Maybe if for instance a death eater uses Avada Kedavra on Harry the spell simply wouldn't work or something.
This is why I got so confused, because for me the prophecy implies that Harry can not be killed by any other than Voldemort.

Yes, I really believe that she'll be HUGE in future books. And I think that she's kind of a person that Harry can relate to . . . after all, she has witnessed death before also so maybe they'll become friends.

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