:whisle: hehe *blushing from steanbean's praise* thanks

the thing i'm worried about, is that a consistent part of the hp series so far, is that in each book, harry learns something new about the wizarding world/his parents/hogwarts/voldie. If, as the extract mentions, dumbledore tells harry EVERYTHING then what is poor jk gonna be writing about in the other 2 books?
either something totally new is revealed by voldie in book 6 or 7, that not even dumbledore knows about, or dumbledore does not tell harry absolutely everything, and gives him only an edited version.
it will be interesting to see what jk has written, and after this topic, i'm even more excited, i cant control myself! :mrgreen: :sorcerer: :mrgreen:

These are all really great theories!

I think that Dumbledore is going to tell Harry why Voldemort wanted to kill him & James and that he's the heir of Gryffindor (thats what i think)! :sorcerer:

i've just been on mugglenet, and this is some of what it says about OotP...

hmmmmmmmm...do you think perhaps that Dumbledore will be revealing some of these things in his 'revelation', especially the HUGE thing about Lily?
we will see...... :whisle:

i think he will tell harry why voldemort wanted to kill him in the first plae because in the end of the first book he said he would tell him someday....

never thought of the possibility of James being Gryffindor´s descendent!!! Love that theory!

But... I think dumbledore is just going to shed a light on the events previous to the fall of Voldemort... how James probably became his worst enemy and Lilly´s role.

Dumbledore always makes it sound as something really important, and then it´s just background information to help us all picture the whole story... not only Harry´s lifetime.

right u people have coolio theories! i think james is the decsandant of gryffindor... and dumbledore will reveal sth huge abt lily... coz i think someone had a spoiler which said dumbledore says "harry its time i tell u sth which i should have told 5 years ago" or sth like that... but maybe theres sth else that james and lily did so as to why voldie killed james and lily and wanted to kill harry too????

nooooo elen dont let them turn you into one of them!! ick... *shudders* i dont agree witht hat theory at all.

but anyway your probably right in saying it will be events before voldemort fell- though im convinced it has to do wtih the question harry asked (and dumbledore refused to answer) in the first book. "why did voldemort want to kill me?"

or perhaps that wont be answered till book 5

i hate it i hate i hate it
waiting and waiting and waiting :angrysmile: :angrysmile: :angrysmile:

for the last 18 months i have been sure that james and harry are gryffindors heirs hence only wanting to kill james and harry and not lily
but now thanks to going on forums all the time it seems less of a certainty
one thing i am sure about is that the whole dumbledore harry situation (it is time harry that i told you what i should have told you 5 years ago etc)is going to take up about half the book

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The Potters went into hiding because Voldemort was after their kid.
They used the Fidelius Charm, (I think) due to Dumbledore’s advice.
But… the Longbottoms were also expected to be persecuted… Neville fit into the prophecy too.
(By the way, I am rather curious about the ‘three ways’ in which the Potters and the Longbottoms defied Voldemort)
They were also in the Order.
Dumbledore probably told them to use the Fidelius.

Looks like they didn’t get a Secret Keeper much better than Wormtail, since they were caught and tortured.

You have to remember, Voldemort himself went to Godric's Hollow to kill the Potters (Harry included). There was no mention of whether Neville's parents were also advised. For all we know, they may have already been tortured by Bellatrix Lestrange even before the prophesy was made. Certainly, if Voldemort had known there were two boys who fit the prophecy, he would've made sure BOTH be killed.

Well, I am sure that Tommy-boy knew that there were two people who qualified as threats. His spy heard the first part (mentioning that the child will be born end of july and to those who had thrice defied him), so he would know that it could be the Longbottoms or the Potters. Dumbledore, though, seemed to have a hunch about things, that Tom would attack Harry because Harry, like Tom, was not pureblood.

Also, the Lestranges did not attack the Longbottoms until after, at least a few months/years, from my memory, Tom attacked Harry. In book 4, during the trial, Crouch charges that they attacked the Longbottoms in order to learn the whereabouts of Tom after he went into hiding having lost his powers.

It doesn't seem odd that we don't hear much about a Fidelius charm for the Longbottoms. It took a long time before we heard about it with regard to Harry, so it's unlikely, considering how little Neville spoke of his parents, that Neville would say anything or even know about it. Also, maybe because Dumbledore suspected that Tom would go to the Potters, he felt that there was no need to do anything with the Longbottoms?

Well, i really don't know what to say but i think voldie just new to go to the potters and try and kill harry....or maybe thats the one he just went to first i really have no idea :unsure:

I was really confused about that part...can someone please inform me?

i cant cuz im just as confused

hmm. good point all of you

Okay, in the "end" it all comes down to Voldemort and Harry. The Prophesy said that one or the other is going to have to die, so that means they are the only ones that can kill each other, thus granting them a sort of temporary immortality, correct?

Well, if Voldie can only be killed by Harry, then Harry can only be killed by Voldie...

Which means, Harry is immortal...

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Or is it just too late at night to be thinking?

too late at night to be thinking! no offense

well in PoA Dumbledore said to harry that the prophecy she told harry was the 2nd real prediction she had ever made (slight hint to OotP). so would that mean there was another prophecy in the room, with harry and trelawneys initials on it? this has no relevance just an insight. or maybe they get erased as they come true.

No, the first prophecy was the one in OotP.......the second one was about Wormtail in PoA

thats what i mean, will the one in PoA be in that room with all the other prophecies?

Probably not, because she prophesized to Harry, and he would have no idea how to make a record of a prophecy.

Yes, there probably is that prophecy somewhere - but there's a good chance it got smashed, so...
Does anyone wonder what would have happened if Neville had touched that Prophecy?

I didn't until you asked that. Now the possibilities are going to plague me.

That's kind of weird... but because the prophecy seems to relate solely to Harry now, Neville would have lost his mind (as seemed to happen when people to whom the prophecy related touched it).

Of course, it all depends on the degree of assumption in the prophecy. If the prophecy really didn't forecast Harry or Neville, then Neville could - theoretically be considered a subject of the prophecy.

The magic protecting the orb, though, is cast by the Dept of Mysteries, right? So, if the file now pertains to Harry, then it would be for Harry or Tom alone. What's more, if the prophecy knew that it would be Harry (predicting Tom's choice and thought), then it would not matter.