Oh man... Poorna. Your post made me laugh my glutius maximus off.

I definitely agree with you though, Padfoot is ::steadies quivering lip:: gone. JK's told us multiple times that he died, and she wouldn't have written it into the books if it wasn't final. I don't think it would benefit her as an author to make us believe that he died, and then suprise us two years down the road when the Sixth book is released and we learn that the Veil was a portal to The Home Depot and Sirius was simply doing some shopping for Grimmauld Place. I think the reason she had to kill Sirius was so that his love, and ultimate sacrafice for Harry will save him in the end when he fights against Voldemort. Much like you said in another post.

There is much more to the Veil than we've been told so far. The adults immedietly knew what had happened to Paddy the second he fell through and even Sirius knew as he fell. I can't wait to find out more... I'm going crazy with curiosity.

Although JK has hinted that the two-way miror that Sirius gave to Harry may be of importance in the next 2 books.

Yeah, but that doesn't really do it for me. Sirius dying so the mirror can be introduced to the plot wouldn't make his death justifiable... there has to be something more to it, which JK said we'll learn in the next book.

I do think that mirror will be important or she would of never really mentioned it i hated it when sirius died im stil in denial i think maybe he will be able to come back in the next books but she did say that there is a reason she killed him and well find out more about it in the sixth book and it better be important cause he had no reason to die in my mind. :/

I agree .. why'd he have to die?? ugh!!! hmm maybe hes still behind the veil.. hiding..? i guess JK said he's not alive.. or didnt she..?!

i know i do hope she finishes HBP soon!!!!! i will so die if its not out before summer 2005! i cant wait a whole year!! and school starts tomorrow and i need something to read! lol! it would make a good christmas present.. or birthday! i hope its out then! ( December-January! lol) hehehehehhehehe

I dont think there is any good reason for Sirius having to die. Its so sad, I cried through that whole chapter. My brother hadnt read the book yet but I told him anyways because I needed someone to talk to and when he read it he said I was over reacting. :ermsmile:

Omg You were so not overreacting! I still cry when i think about it! And there is so no reason for him to die ! :/

Same here. It was the first book I ever cryed for. And I know it will be the first moive, when it comes out, that I ever dry for. She shouldn't have killed off every ones favorite character! But maybe this is a way to test us. If we can handle this maybe we can handle anythign else in the book. But I'm out, cause I couldn't handle this!!! Sirius come back from Vacation behind the Black Veil!

Yeah maybe she is just testing us but i hope that he is just hiding and he will come back in the next book because she did say that it took her several times to write which makes me wonder if maybe she had to word to were it sounded like he was dead but isnt she tends to do that alot i mean she said he fell behind the veil maybe that means of course hes not dead just an idea

ya theres no way of using the time turner.. hermione said she gaveit back and anyways they can only be used with permission of the ministry... i doubt that they'd let anyone use a time turner to rescue an escaped murderer!!

but i also think sirius is going to come back.. ther MUST be something more to the veil.. im almost positive!!


i harry
<span style='color:CC0000'> "I don't go looking for trouble, trouble usually finds me."</span>

It's not such a big deal that Hermione gave the Turner back, because they saw spares in the Time Room of the DoM, the reason they couldn't go back in time was that the Death Room was circular and Harry would have noticed a clone of himself sneaking up to the dias to save Sirius.

Omg You were so not overreacting! I still cry when i think about it! And there is so no reason for him to die ! :/ [/b][/quote]
I dont think youre over reacting! I had to stop reading for like 10 minutes because my book was getting wet and I couldnt see the words! Before OOTP came out there was the rumor about someone dying, but they always say that and it ends up being a very insignifigant character, but we know Jo doesnt do anything like anybody else!! I really wasnt expecting him to be killed, and what makes me even more mad is that just before he fell through, he was being arrogant--but thats Sirius!!

There really has to be a reason he died! There just has to and i noe there is somthing to that veil you can just tell there is but i wonder what it is maybe sirius will comeback maybe dumbledore wanted to see if harry could handle death and the he will come back whooa im going a little far out there

that's what i'm waiting for i think. to see how harry deals with this latest blow. first his parents, now his godfather.

but also i wonder, who next? could more deaths occur, to bring harry to the lowest possible point emotionally, and from there he must start his battle against voldemort.

and <this sounds terrible i know> he somehow still manages to find strength and courage to defeat him

Omg You were so not overreacting! I still cry when i think about it! And there is so no reason for him to die ! :/ [/b][/quote]
I really really really hate saying this cause i luv paddy *tears up* but i think his death was VERY important. Now because of him i am guessing that harry will be so angry and resentful to everyone and everything ( i am guessing this because of the way that he reacted with cedric). Because of this i am thinking it will help him defeat voldie

Thats a very intresting theroy. True after Cedrics death it made him very angry i think becasue for the frist time he didnt save a life. So Now when he goes back to the dursleys even though it is going to be his shortest stay yet i think since he's going to have some time to think about the death and have it sink in, since he wont have the magical world to worrry about.And that he made that mistake (even though it's not harrys fault really but to him it is)that costed his godfathers death. And that will make such an anger against voldermort Knowing it was one of his deatheaters that killed Sirius. That will make him really want to kill voldemort but i think having voldermort just die isnt the ultimate pay for what he did And that will be another battle for harry that even though he wants to just kill him he shouldnt because thats not trully the ultimate revenge.And i think Dubledore is going to help him understand that more and maybe thats why dumbledore hasent just killed voldermort even though he had the chance because he does now thats not the ultimate pay.

I was so sad that ** died. That's the first time i ever cried over a book!
Please hurry JKR! We need the HBP! To see how Harry's doing!

Same here.But i do think there is a reason i mean she wouldnt kill sirius for no reason. What that reason is though im not sure but im sure it will explain it in the sixth book.

we find out exactly y sirius was kiled off in HBP.. hurry up and cum out already!!!

I think she killed him because he'd served his purpose, there was nothing left for him. Also it'll help Harry in a way, teach him how to deal with death, he needs to deal with it and also inadvertedly it gives Harry the anger that he needs to murder Lord Voldemort.

I agree partially with you Emma. JK has said that she has a reason for killing Sirius, and I don't think that reason is "he served his purpose". If that were the case, fans would riot and thousands of people would write asking why then has Stan Shunpike not kicked the bucket.

There will be something more to his death, or I don't think she would have killed him. Like you said, perhaps Harry's anger will help him in the end.. or it may be something else entirely. But, I definitely do not think he died because he was useless. As a Sirius fan, I refuse to believe that.

there there laura
*hands laura a chocolate*
the thing is that i can see both ur pov's . i mean if ur willing to be quite cold, you'd ask yourself how sirius can help the order? he was no longer on the run, where he could scavange for information. he was in hiding- in a house that had nothing but bad memories for him- and was feeling awful abt not being useful. he was just sitting on his thumbs in that horrid place.
but on the other hand, he had by no means served his purpose. he was harry's godfather. his only family(i refuse to count the dursleys). harry loved him, with sirius, harry felt like he had someone who would take care of him. do you know how important that is to a person? he resents molly's 'parenting' but feels that sirius is in his corner- looking out for his interests. it is of special importance to harry who feels like he has to go out there and save the whole world every single day of his life(well he does but thats another matter) so for harry's health and happiness(which doesnt seem to be of any special importance/concern to jk's...) and for his character developement(and thus the plot's) sirius was important. then again, his death will also bring abt harry's developement...after a long and harrowed mourning that will(IMO) never end.
but sirius was a strong, fiercely loyal, intelligent and able wizard. he could've been of a great asset to the order. but he was also on the run and his greatest disguise- snuffles- was discovered(i think over that part and hit my forehead repeatedly- it should've hit us right then...his disguise was out, the only way he could move outside grimmauld place without a invisibility cloak was gone. malfoy knew abt him....of course i already knew he was gone before starting to read the book)
so i'll say, that as a fan, i too refuse to believe that he had served his purpose and was disposed of. i think that his death is a part of his purpose and leave it to debate