No he wouldnt be dead. The dementors were just going to give him that kiss, and that doesnt kill you, it just sucks your soul out, but you will still be alive, so i dont believe that borrowed time stuff, bcuz he wasnt going to die in the 3rd book.

and i think in the last book we are going to see Padfoot again, he may not be alive but i think he will help harry in some way defeat voldemort(even tho my money is on voldie)

Harry saved Sirius, not on fate's time, but borrowed time. That's not really debatable at all. If waht was supposed to happen, had happened then he wouldn't have been living on borrowed time.

you have to look at the essence of time travel, its like skipping a stone across water, it creates ripples in the water. time is like ripples inthe universe and sometimes those ripples can change

harry didnt stop an event from happening, he changed the outcome of an event happening.

so therefore he in essence rewrote the future.

its like he was supposed to do that. i mean everything happens for a reason, so harry was supposed to save siruius, bcuz siruis was supposed to live for that short time, he wasnt supposed to get the dementors kiss.

Sirius was unfortunate in falling through the veil,


but their is something more to it...

I was thinking about RotK yesterday and how Jk does mirror some aspects of Tolkien's work.

What if, the veil is the portal to the world of the dead and that Sirius perhaps was supposed to go through the veil in an attempt to help the order by possibly gaining the help of dead spirits. It's a bit far fetched, but it's a thought. After all, Sirius was rather hacked off that he couldn't help the order so maybe Dumbledore wavered and allowed him to take on this job?

Just a thought.

you know..... that veil thingy was a LITTLE suspicious..... :ermsmile: i betcha anything he's not really dead.

I agree with Sirius_lives...I don't think Sirius is really dead!! :flowersmile:

ladies(harry's phoenix and sirius_lives) it would rock so hard if sirius was alive and ur right im a believer too
but u know she kind of said that yeah he's dead but u know there was a reason and i thought back to the scene and saw that he fell thru and lupin(yeah ok so he might know a lot abt the veil.....he might even have invented it for all i care) didnt let harry even go near it
maybe this was intended? that sirius had agreed to give up his life or watever just so he could go to the other side to get more info or do some crazy thing like that?
i wouldnt put it past that loon(paddy i mean)

I think Sirius is dead, but we haven’t seen the last of him.

JK cried when she wrote his death, I think I read somewhere that she wanted to show how suddenly you can lose someone. So I don’t think he’ll come back alive.

Interesting. I agree that veil is the portal to the 'world of the dead'. That what I've always assumed from the first time I read it. But about the dead spirits, I don't think it's possible. Remember at the end, Sir Nick. Said that very few wizards choose to 'come back'.

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Sir Nick "remained behind" because he was afraid of death, but do you think that someone like Sirius could be afraid of death? I don't think so. I mean, I'm not saying that Sirius won't appear in book 6 or 7 at all, I'm just saying, he won't come back as a ghost or from 'behind the veil'.

yeah ur right though rovie
i dont think someone like sirius is afraid of death or dying
look at all the crazy stunts he's pulled(as an adult)- everyone one ofthem involved dying. but he does it anyway
i dont think we'll see sirius's ghost
but jk has hinted there was a reason so perhaps we might see him again(desperately hope so)

but seeing as nick was brought up
i wondered
if in the end...nick has a personal journey and decides to 'die' properly at last(can u?)

I think we might see sirius as a photograph...

Imagine it, lol


Harry was walking around Hogsmeade waiting for his date, Ginny to finish up her shopping (hey, this is for laughs, so i can put anything i want). As he walked he heard a voice coming from the ground.

"Harry?" the voice asked.

Harry bent down and picked up a photograph that he thought he heard the noise coming from. He looked at the photograph.

"Wizarding World's Most Wanted"

"Sirius?".

^ ha that was gud, but i agree with you guys, the viel is a portal to a "place beyond". i absolutely don't think he is dead. *prays* i also agree that sirius willcome bck but nos as a ghost or spirit, but through some sort of connection, kinda like when (4th book) the prior incantenem, showed up. but a littlw different. he'llcome back but in an imporant/crucial time for harry.

hey, that was a pretty good idea, DownWithTheDarkLord. lol...... maybe... :ermsmile:

i was so so sad that sirius died. but i don't think he died. i think he will come back as a spirit type thing to help harry till the end. i don't know..i do think that veil thing is kinda funky and weird. i know somehow sirius will come back, not alive or dead.

As much i soo hate to say it, I think Sirius is dead. I thought he would last.On my list of who i think would die, i would have never thought of him. I dont care what NHN said, you cant take a characters word for it. Maybe Sirius, before he met Harry, would choose death. But maybe he thought since he knows Harry and knows Harry needs him, just maybe he didnt choose death. I really hope Sirius becomes a ghost. It really stinks how death is final, but I mean JK cried when she wrote that part, and i cried when i read it. :sad: .So i really think he is dead but the other part of me is still denying it and hopes he comes back. :/ Thats just my 2 cents.. :online2long:

sirius wont come back as a ghost cuz he's not afraid of death. nick was. sirius is not. he's simply not the type to be
but in her recent webchat......jk said that theres a reason and we will find out
so i hope he'll be around. i sure do.
but to make sirius a ghost is insulting him, and the personality she built up for him- not being afraid of anything

Sirius is dead and won't come back :/ Rowling was crying like us when he died ...Harry must be close to the mean of death... She killed his god father... She may kill Mrs Weasly or any one who is close to Harry....

i was so upset when they killed sirius! i loved him! he was by far my fave person ever! ahhhh what will we do?? :unsure:

Oh sirius cant come back because he fell through the veil and as Lupin said you cant get back and NHN said he couldnt come back, listen to the facts people, im as upset as anyone but i came very close to crying when i thought Arthur was going to die, i couldnt handle that.

siruis cant be died he just cant be haft of me is saying that siruis is died and is not comeing back and the other haft is saying that jk will bring siruis back and is doing reseach to find out how

As much as it pains me to admit it...I believe that Sirius is dead and not coming back. I don't, however, think it's the last we'll see of him. Perhaps there'll be some kind of flashback or something. Tom Riddle's diary took Harry into a memory and so did Dumbledore's Pensieve...so maybe something similar to that will take place and we'll get to see him again. Maybe there will be a portrait of Sirius or something I don't know...I don't think I'd want him to come back as a ghost...I definitly think that would be disrespectful to him...he would never be afraid of death.

Everyone wants to know why Sirius had to die. Well, I think I've figured it out.

I have to admit that I was really mad at JK when I learned that Sirius was the character that was going to die. It made me cry; I had tears in my eyes. I was expecting him to show up sometime at the end of the book, but he never did. Once my anger had died down I wanted to reread the book but my head was spinning like crazy. It was just too much information to pack into my brain in such a short time span (I read the book in 3 days). So I'd been analyzing the book. I went back and reread my favorite and important chapters.

I realized a long time ago that everything that happens in the books happens for a reason. It's just one long chain of events and if one link of the chain is broken then everything that happens after it changes. I know this because I've played around with the books a few times. I've thought, "what would happen if the book went this way" and the answer usually ends up with Harry dying. So I'm glad that the books are the way that they are.

It had been about two months when I had finally been able to pick up the book and start rereading it. I stopped in the middle of chapter nine because I wanted to look for a loop--hole. Sirius is in those first several chapters and I just kept thinking "he's going to die in a few months and he doesn't even know it." I thought that there had to be another way. I wasn't able to except that Sirius had to have died.

I wondered what might have happened if Dumbledore had told Harry about the prophecy earlier. I really don't think that it would've made a difference. I think that if Harry had know that Voldemort might try to lure him into the Ministry that Harry would've gone anyway if he thought that Sirius' life might be in the smallest bit of danger. He's just that kind of person.

So then I wondered what might have happened if Dumbledore, not Snape, had taught Harry Occlumency. I think that Harry would've tried harder but I don't think that he would've been able to do it. In the book Harry tries several times to close his mind before he goes to bed, but he can't because there's so much stuff going on with him.

Then I thought about the mirror that Sirius had given Harry. If Harry had used it earlier, then he never would've gone into the Ministry. So my next question was: "Was the journey to the Ministry important?" There are a few major things that happen while Harry's at the ministry; he learns about the prophecy, Dumbledore rounds up a few death eaters, and Fudge realizes that Voldemort really has returned. And I think that those events are important, especially the one with Fudge. So yes, Harry had to go to the Ministry.

So then I thought, "Did Sirius have to go to the Ministry?" What would've happened if he had listened to Snape and stayed behind? I reread the part where everyone is in the Death Chamber and Sirius doesn't save Harry or anyone else from a close shave with any of the death eaters, so I thought that that part was okay. But then I reread the part where Voldemort possess Harry.

And I'll see Sirius again…
And as Harry's heart filled with emotion, the creature's coils loosened, the pain was gone…

I knew that Sirius played a big part there, I just couldn't put my finger on it. It was as though someone was trying to turn the lights on in my brain but they couldn't reach the light switch. Then I remembered Dumbledore telling Harry

That power saved you from possession by Voldemort, because he could not bear to reside in a body so full of the force he detests. In the end…it was your heart that saved you.

So I thought that if Harry hadn't thought about Sirius, Voldemort would've let him go eventually because of his 'heart'. So I reread the possession part. I decided to pretend that Sirius hadn't died and to see what would happen. As I read, I caught a snag

And then Harry's scar burst open, he knew he was dead: it was pain beyond imagining, pain past endurance…blinded and dying, every part of him screaming for release, Harry felt the creature use him again…

And I realized that 'eventually' would've been too late. I think that, yes, Voldemort would've eventually let Harry go but I also think that Harry would've died before that. I think that Harry needed that burst of emotion to survive possession from Voldemort. And he got that burst of emotion from realizing that Sirius was dead, that he wasn't going to see his godfather again.

Basically, it all comes down to either Sirius or Harry dying, and since Harry has to live till book 7 it was Sirius that died. And it had to be that way. There's no loop--hole. It's really ironic when you think about it. Harry risked his life to save Sirius, but in the end Sirius died to save Harry: Sirius died because someone close to Harry had to die in order for Harry to live. It's messed up, I know. But that's the way it has to be. JK said it herself

Some fans are going to be really mad at me, and I'm sorry, but it has to be that way…

I figured all of this out during two hours of some serous thinking in my bedroom. I remember sitting the book aside and saying "This sucks..." along with a stream of curse words. I shared my conclusion with my mom and she said "Wow! Would you put that much thought into it if I died?" I just stared at her.

Before I got into bed that night, I grabbed the 5th book off my shelf, at the same time crying my eyes out, hugged it, and said as though I was talking to Harry "I am so sorry. It sucks. I couldn't save him." Call me crazy, but that's what I did.

I know that Harry's just a fictional character but sometimes he just seems so real to me. I wanted so bad to find a loop--hole, to save Sirius, and I couldn't do it because there isn't