It was really exciting wen Dumbledore was telling Harry wad he was going to tell...
Only after tt part i noe y Trelawney is hired...
The story was quite unexpected..

I had sort of wondered about that. Um, JKR doesn't give us too much on James aside from Siry's and Lupin's opinion of him. BUt, if you recall from Snape's memory he was pretty crude to Snape.
I don't know. I've always loved Prongs and I always will but I think there's more to his story than JKR has told...
~~RQT

i was so surpresied when i read the prophecy.....i mean..i was like woww! i don't really know who is going to die but i hope that person wont be harry!!

Yeah same. We definitely wil find out more about Harry's parents. And there has to be something significant about Harry having his mother's eyes. So vital!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe you can perform a form of magic I don't know. But it's said so often.

There is nothing stronger then a mother's love for her child. A mother's love is a magical thing in and of it's self. Not that James didn't love Harry but Lily's love was stronger. Love is one of the most powerful otivating force in the world.

"There are three things that last: Faith, Hope and Love, and the greatest of these is love. - I Corinthians 13:13"

I think Lily's eyes play a role in the chain of events that will cause some to come to Harry's aide. I think Lily's eyes have something to do with Snape.

I don't think Harry was a planned horerux that was intentionally created by the Dark Lord. I think part of the Dark Lord was transferred to Harry when Harry got his scar. That is why Harry is tied into the Dark Lord's thoughts.

I think Harry has to die and the prophecy filled in order for all traces of the Dark Lord to be destroyed and so that the wizzarding world is safe once and for all.

"No love, no friendship can cross the path of our destiny without leaving some mark on it forever." - Francois Mauriac

The only reason Harry or Voldemort have to die in the first place is because Voldemort is making it so. He doesn't have to try and kill Harry and Harry doesn't have to kill Voldemort, but they both have personnal reasons to do so. So they will both keep trying until one of them (or both) succeed.

Excatly! DD said it perfectly in HBP, chapter 23 really explains it all - why the prophecy is important.

"Go to?" said DD. "Of course you got to! But ot because of the prophecy! Because you, yourself, will never rest until you've tried! We both know it! Imagine, please, just for a moment that you have never heard of the prophecy! How would you feel about Voldermort now? Think!"

"I'd want him finished," siad Harry quietly. "And I want to do it."

"Of course you would!" cried DD. "You see, the prophecy does not mean you have to do anything! But the prophecy caused Lord Voldermort to mark you as his equal... In other words, you are free to choose your way, quite free to turn your back on the prophecy! But Voldermort continues to set store by the prophecy. He will continue to hunt you...which makes it certain, really, that -"

"That one of us is going to end up killing the other" said Harry. "Yes."

Bottom line - if Voldy never knew of the prophecy none of these series of events would of happened. Voldermort makes the prophecy the most important thing standing between himself and immortality. So he will follow the prophecy until it ends.

The prophecy does say "one will survive". But, and that is a big BUT, it doesn't say how long that one will survive. They could survive be live a long, sweet, happily ever after ending or have eternal immortality (if Voldy wins). Or only a few moments, hours, etc before they die.

I think it could go either way... I think there will be a final show down between Harry & Voldermort. Voldermort may have marked Harry as his equal but Harry is no where close to having the same wizzarding skills and power as Voldermort. Harry does have Love on his side... but most of Harry's past success has come from more talented friends, luck & courage - not pure talent alone. I think there will be a big battle close to the end of the book. Voldermort and Harry will battle it out. Both Harry & Voldermort will die. Voldermort first, then Harry.

Once the prophecy is fulfilled, what happens to it? Does it disappear? Is it the job of the unmentionables to destroy them the once fulfilled. If Lily was an unmentionable she would have had access to all the stored prophecies and known if there were any other prophecies pertaining to Harry as the chosen one. There may be others we don't know about yet which may change all our ideas.

Dumbledore said in OoTP that the room in the MoM holds only a copy of the Prophecy. He said only the people with whom the prophecy refer are the only ones that can lift them from the shelves at the MoM without suffering madness. Only Harry & Voldemort could have taken the prophecy. Dumbledore could repeat the prophecy because it was told to him and he remembered what it said.

However, Dumbledore also said that the offical record was relabeled after Voldemort tried to kill Harry the night in Godric's Hallow. Dumbledore said it seemed clear to the Keeper of the Hall of Prophecy that Voldemort could only have tried to kill Harry because he believed Harry was the one Proff. T. was talking about in the prophecy. So maybe only the Keeper of the Hall of Prophecy is the only one that knows what all the prophecies say.

JKR said on her website that: "Both Madam Trelawney and I worded the prophecy extremely carefully." and that "Prophecies are usually open to many different interpretations. That is both their strength and their weakness."

JKR isn't very cut & dry in her writing. Which makes me think we're missing something key about the prophecy.

well now he cant tell harry anything abhout his parents i think harry is going to have to do a lot of research and return to godrics hollow, which i think is DDs house btw and that DD is a descendent of GG... theres something about the whole situation that hasnt quite clicked yet... theres something that is missing from the prophecy something hasnt been quite explained properly yet, why would voldermort try and let lily off... not kill her.... but kill james? jealousy?

Actaully i think it will tell why voldemort killed Harry

Hi kids opinion coming through but first my general thoughts on the prophecy:
Prophecies are malleable


Firstly, a prophecy only accounts for the outcome of events that feed into a singular causality, not all the possible paths there are.


Secondly, whomever records it can twist it how they like.


Thirdly, anyone attempting to analyze it will influence how it is interpreted. And, most importantly, a prophecy only comes true if you make it true.


Oh and another think I don't get how Harry survived Avada Kedavra.

How many other mothers have died for there children in the first war? How many of them survived Avada Kedavra or if they did it was'nt recognised until Harry did and the backlash destroyed Voldie? Is that THE ONLY REASON why it was realised people could survive AK?


Or did Lily put up a protection charm that required a sacrifice (her) which activated it when Voldemort killed thus taking the place as a sacrifice?


Or was surviving AK due to the prophecy made before Harry's birth it was merely destined to be? A person's reason for life may only be to interlude with another: who knows? Nobody knows the meaning of life or the secret of death so was survivng AK


MERELY MEANT TO BE?

I am smart for a kid right?

i think it might be something about harry and voldermort encluding Lili and James.




yeah i think you right

Alright I suppose this is the best place to put this post. I'm really hoping people will see it, from otherwise such an old thread, and I'm afraid the mods might be upset if I made a thread for it.

Anyway I had one of those moments recently where, as relating to OOTP, something occurred to me that seemed so incredibly simple, and yet in a way that covers so much ground, to where I'm like "how did I never think of this before??"

okay so, obviously what book 5 is all about is this dang prophecy. The Order trying prevent Voldemort from acquiring it, and thereby (he believes) getting all the rest of the information he needs to finally vanquish Harry.
Wellllllll....... why didn't Dumbledore have Harry go and quickly get the physical record of the prophecy from the hall (to adhere to the rule that only he or Voldy could retrieve it), take it out of the Ministry and immediately destroy it?? Or, just even destroy it THERE in the Ministry. I mean, it's of course what winds up happening anyway! Could've saved themselves a world of grief.

But, I guess as they say "well then we wouldn't have a movie"

Yeah I think that he would tell him everything about lily too.

Yes same here.