Latest Site Notices

IErisedMalfoy · 07-29-2003, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Posted on Jul 29 2003, 07:11 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
u guys mrs. rowling said hes dead! hes dead ok? i want him back more than anyone but hes not coming back as alive i mean..

Yeah, but if he was dead then why didn't she explain it properly? I mean, I know she said she wrote it like that coz death is sudden in real life, but this is the author who tells us what the students are eating for breakfast in precise detail.....and its not like she was trying to save space, look at the size of that thing!

When I first read the book I felt just like you....He's dead, but it's a pretty funny way to go........falling through a mysterious veil? If you're gonna kill someone, do it properly and cut off their head! :ermsmile: :unsure:

Or maybe it's just so we'll all buy the next book to see whether it's true or not!

slytherinchic91488 · 07-29-2003, 07:11 PM

she said that she re-wrote it a million times she he is dead but i think the way she did it because we are going to see more about the veil

IErisedMalfoy · 07-29-2003, 07:12 PM

Yeah I definately think we'll hear more aboput the veil. Annoying thing......just hanging their!

Katx0rz · 07-29-2003, 08:55 PM

ALL the discussions for Sirius will be merged into here, so some things might not make sense, but it'll save a lot of space on the server.

slytherinchic91488 · 07-29-2003, 08:57 PM

he shouldnt have died thats all i gotta say

DracoDragon27 · 07-29-2003, 08:58 PM

I remember that after I read the chapter that he died in, I couldn't believe it so I wound up having to reread that chapter. I was SO upset! I started to cry right there and my mom was like "Whats wrong?" and I couldn't answer her.
I feel really sorry for Harry because he loses everyone who he is extremely close to...

:unsure:

Katx0rz · 07-29-2003, 09:09 PM

Yes, talk all you want about Sirius here! There are WAYY too many topic about it!

hprulez · 07-29-2003, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by slytherinchic91488@Jul 29 2003, 08:04 PM
he shouldnt have died thats all i gotta say

you're right, i have to agree with you on that.

fighting_in_the_dancehall · 07-30-2003, 08:42 PM

I just finished today. :crysmile:

I thought Professor McGonagall was going to die, at first, 'cause of the numerous stuns to the chest. But, alas, it was Sirius....

I mean, I would have been sad if McGonagall died, but...Sirius was my favorite! Poor Padfoot....

ninak · 07-31-2003, 09:12 AM

id really like to know what people think about this... :unsure:

Quote:

---> dumbledore did NOT see that sirius was hit by red light, NOT the green light of avara kedavra (... interesting that JK does NOT kill sirius by the same method as his last parental-units)) (read from the bottom of 805)

---> harry does not ask dumbledore about the veil. honestly, dumbledore could think sirius died by avara kedavra, and that the veil had nothing really to do with DEATH, persay. (the lost prophecy chapter)

---> in the conversation with headless nick, nick mentions that theyre studying death at the department of mysteries (pg 861)

---> again, relating to what somepeople said earlier, sirius, osiris, life,death,rebirth diety, and the fact that rowling likes myths

---> luna lovegood talks, in a really odd place in the book, about the fact that her things will come back "they always do" ... does this have a metaphorical connection with sirius? is this hinting at something? luna lovegood is an odd character (never could put my finger on her purpose), and it was an odd conversation. (863)

---> harry never says sirius is dead. he never actually says it. a good example is this passage... it really puts it in the spotlight: "But some part of him realized, even as he fought to break free from Lupin, that Sirius had never kept him waiting before... Sirius had risked everything, always, to see Harry, to help him... If Sirius was not reappearing out of that archway when Harry was yelling for him as though his life depended on it, the only possible explanation was that he could not come back... That he really was..." she just plain doesn't finish the sentence! doesn't say it! theres alot of places in the book where he doesnt mention it, the second page of the lost prophecy chapter... but that quote really emphasizes his not saying it. (808)

---> finally, simply, its odd what each book adds to the story... book three is the only book NOT involving a run-in with lord voldemort. take a look at this summary of the what the books add to the overall plot, and let me know what you think. it is a bit... odd.

- 1st book: introduction
- 2nd book: delaying voldemort
- 3rd book: sirius
- 4th book: voldemort back
- 5th book: prophecy

Siriusly_in_Love · 07-31-2003, 02:03 PM

My new favorite line is Sniffles for Snuffles...

It suits my feelings exactly

07-31-2003, 06:29 PM

THAT WAS MY SECOND ABSOLUTE CHARACTER THAT DIED IN BOOK 5! lol Harry Potter is of course my number 1 favorite.

fighting_in_the_dancehall · 07-31-2003, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ninak@Jul 31 2003, 04:19 AM

---> luna lovegood talks, in a really odd place in the book, about the fact that her things will come back "they always do" ... does this have a metaphorical connection with sirius? is this hinting at something? luna lovegood is an odd character (never could put my finger on her purpose), and it was an odd conversation. (863)

That whole conversation and everything about the veil threw me off. Because she also says "And anyway, it's not as though I'll never see Mum again, is it?" and "In that room with the archway. They were just lurking out of sight, that's all. You heard them."

So, is that archway...I don't get it. What exactly is it? Does anybody even know? Can someone help me with this, 'cause I have no idea. Is it a portal between...I dunno....

hermione_03873 · 07-31-2003, 07:23 PM

I really really miss sirius... It was like we were just getting to know him better, JK kinda made you get even closer to him than you were, and then... took him away...

I was happy (well after I stopped crying) that when I read the last three chapters that nobody was home. So I could cry without being walked in on by my sister or somebody, because that would just ruin the moment.

Hermy · 07-31-2003, 09:37 PM

I was expecting Sirius to be cleared of all charges in OOTP and he died instead. Really, JK is being a bit unfair to Harry.

08-02-2003, 02:47 AM

Sirius is the most tragic character in the series. I mean, think about it: His childhood wasn't exactly happy because his family was so horrible, but then he got to Hogwarts ans had seven years of happiness with the Marauders, then when he was only like, 21 years old, his best friend and his wife died, he was sent to Azkaban for 13 years, then he gets out, lives on the run for two years, and imprisoned in his detested childhood home for one.

That's 11 years of childhood hell, 10 years of a wonderful, happy life, and 16 more years of hell! Sirius's life absolutely sucked! The whole time we were hoping things would turn up for him, that his name would be cleared and he'd maybe get to live a little, fall in love and start a family, get a house and finish raising Harry maybe, but instead he had to die!!!

I really don't think his death was strong enough. I wanted to be crying, but I wasn't. The way Bellatrix killed him and the way he fell through the veil was wonderfully written, but it was Harry's reaction that really wasn't dramatic enough. The reader experiences the same emotions as Harry, in the same magnitude. Harry should've been crying!!! When he ran after Bellatrix, he should've been in agony! Each and every tear streaming down his face should've been described in detail! He should've been yelling, screaming, sobbing, completely distraught. When he got back to Hogwarts, he should've been silent and distant with his friends. The ghost thing and the mirror thing were all right, but again, I thought his emotion needed to be magnified. It was like Harry just wasn't real, because if he was, he would've been so much more upset than he was.

No matter how emotional JKR makes something, it'll only be emotional if Harry's emotions are described in depth. Again, the reader feels what Harry feels. I didn't cry because Harry didn't cry.

ninak · 08-02-2003, 07:10 AM

the whole thing is weird. it was surreal. when i read it, i was dehydrated. and the whole thing just... i felt like i was in some sort of... other world.
but it was WEIRD. harry's anger? fading into a calmness so QUICKLY? and then JKR's whole thing about crying and .... i don't know. it was weird, only contributing to the fact that i think sirius is coming back (though he wont necessarily be ALIVE)

08-02-2003, 06:54 PM

Frankly, I don't believe he died. Or rather, I don't ACCEPT that he died...

But really, think about it. What was that veil? Why is it that everyone else seamed to have excepted it so easily? I know JKR wrote "it sounded like every word was causing him pain" when she talked about Lupin, but I just didn't think he seamed as upset as I would've thought he'd be. And Dumbledore, and everyone really... And what about the body? If someone I knew and loved had just been killed I'd wanna retrieve the body to give them a proper barial and funeral and everything... The only explanation to that would be that they couldn't go pass the veil for some reason. But I don't think it's that. I think that veil was very suspicious.... (And the worst part is Harry didn't even ASK anything about the veil! I can't believe him!) And Sirius wasn't hit by a green ray, which would be the avara kadavara. He was hit by a red ray. If I'm not mistaken, I believe red was stupefy...
I think there are a few possibilities to what might have happened:

1. They were all (the members of the order I mean) in on it, to fake Sirius' death. Why? Because he was Harry's biggest weakness. Voldemort had just used Sirius to get to Harry, if he continued alive it could happen again. If Harry believes that Sirius is dead, they've just eliminated his greatest weakness.
2. That veil was obviously some sort of portal. Maybe no one really knows what's behind it (after all, it is in the department of MYSTERIES) so that's why they were acting as if he were dead, because to them he as good as was. But he hadn't died before going through, and he somehow finds a way to get back.

It could of course be something else, I don't know JKR's plans... Either way, I bet on the 7th book they're going to explain more about that veil and he's gonna come back, near the end of book.

You may think I'm being childish to hold on to the little bit of 'false hope' I might have as to him being alive, but I really don't believe he died. I just didn't think it was believable... When Gandalf presumably died in LOTR my friend stopped reading because she was so upset. I on the other hand said "no way, he can't have died. They wouldn't do that! It's unacceptable!", and, well, I never meant to say "I told you so" but..... hehehe... Well, that was the same reaction I had when I read about Sirius... I just don't except it...

ninak · 08-03-2003, 03:22 AM

thats not a bad theory!. how they actually managed to pull it off is the only thing that sort of confuses me... and how on earth they'd convince sirius to do it... but maybe thats a secret that we'll find out about in the next couple books huh?

and yes, i completely agree that he may not be dead. it all lies in what the veil really is. as i said before, dumbledore didn't actually SEE what sirius was hit with. so he COULD think sirius is dead from being hit by avara kedavra. he was also too big a character, as well. as i said before,

Quote:

its odd what each book adds to the story... book three is the only book NOT involving a run-in with lord voldemort.

book three is about sirius. the title is basically, "harry potter and sirius black" lol.

i personally find the second one more believable than the first. thats the one i go by, but the first one would be veeerrrry cool!
there is definitely more to be explained by way of that veil and the department of mystery's study of death. she's been leading up to it for a while... with the introduction of the unspeakables in book four, the prominence of the department of mysteries in the fifth book, and finally, headless nick's speaking of the study of death. now THATS a build up! i HOPE sirius black plays a role in this - a role where he's brought back...

loony lupin · 08-03-2003, 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Padfoot'n'Prongs@Aug 2 2003, 06:01 PM
Frankly, I don't believe he died. Or rather, I don't ACCEPT that he died...

I LOVE YOU
sigh*

MAY THE BLACK DOG BE WITH YOU MATE!
:up: :up: :up:

abercrombie_babe · 08-03-2003, 03:51 PM

yeah, why can't they use the Time Turner thingy? i cannot grasp the fact that SIRIUS IS DEAD!!!!

i cried my eyes out when i read it! why would J.K. take him away from Harry? there's got to be something more to it...

vlre57 · 08-04-2003, 02:22 PM

while i ove srius i doubt that he wll come back through the time turner... I have a theory that they might be able to talk through the black veil because it was said that harry could hear murmers and we learned that was a connection to the "other side"

That_Potter_Chick · 08-09-2003, 08:16 PM

I cried for days when Sirius died. I don't think they can use the time-turner because in Book 3, Buckbeak never died in the first-place. The axe swooshed down b/c the guy was mad, hagrid cried for joy. The trio just didnt know that. They can't change what already happened. Does that make sense? lol. If I don't then nevermind. I really think Sirius will be back though, because if he was really gonna die, wouldnt "avada kedavra" just be used? Why even put the veil in at all? JKR loves Sirius as much as we do, I don't think she'll keep him away if she could help it. :sorcerer:

Tonksrules · 08-09-2003, 08:41 PM

[COLOR=red][FONT=Geneva]

I cried for so long when I read he died! I looked ahead the night I got it expecting to see HURRAY MALFOY'S DEAD!!!!! instead I saw 2 words Sirius' death!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was crying and mumbling things like no not sirius !!!!!! at 3 am!!! my mum thought I was a nutter!!!! I am an avid author of hp fan fiction and can write exactly like JKR.I've been writing speeches about him! (when im half asleep that is) I couldn't finish the book for ages, i just kept rereading the good parts about grimauld place.The chapter behind the veil in my opinion gets a big :down: and not just because Sirius *gulp* dies

can't belive I said that! Any way I 'm newto the boards and I would like it if someone showed me around.

RIP SIRIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :'(