I'm not implying that, I am saying that Ginny and Cho's character's clash on several levels. Did you read the link I gave? I think that will make things clearer.

You would be surprised, the cliche's are R/Hr and H/Hr, most people don't even bother to go beyond the trio.

I've read it before, but there are so many coincidences to G/H that I get the feeling JK's leading people to believe that and maybe it'll happen, but I cannot for the life of me see it as being permanent. Nothing with Harry will be.

What I mean is that then the trio would all be related in a sense if they all walked down the aisle beutifully. Happiness doesn't fit with HP, I just cant see him with someone permanently. I cant see him living past his 7th year. And, if anything, Harry wont want to attach himself because he'll be aware that he might die and wont want to put a girl through that, whether it be Ginny or Pansy.

I can see it being permanent, but that's just me.

Well, then I don't see how Luna will be with him. I guess I could be happy with a bitter end, maybe he could confess feelings for someone like Ginny, but he is to bitter to ever make her happy and live alone...

Well, I'd be very disappointed if Harry got married and lived happily ever after at the end of the series. I dont want that.

If he lived, I think it'd be more realistic if he decided to leave the magic world permanently after all the trouble it's given him.

Luna might/might not be with him, but when I talk about couplings, it's for the books, but not forever. You cant honestly think he'd definately stay with his last gf at Hogwarts forever. That's not realistic to real teenagers and how eratic their hormones are.

No, I can see Harry walking away from the magical community forever, alone. That's if he lives.

Oooooh, threatening to call mummy like you did last time, touched a nerve didn't i?. By all means go, be my guest, i know how much you love to go running to the mods when i strike a point. You are always threatening me, and getting personal, see how pretty it is when they do it to you?.
But that's okay, if you are gonna be such a baby, then i'll just have to pretend you don't exist, i don't like cry babies anyway.
I'll go and talk to the grown ups then.

Yeah, i can't imagine him living a happy life. I understand why people want him to be happy, to make up for all the rubbish he's had to deal with.
But, let's face it, that kid is screwed up, between his parents violent and early death, the Dusleys, Voldemort, and all the crap he's had to swallow from society. He cannot be left without emotional consecuences. He already has this martyr complex that makes him want to deal with everything on his own.
He has the hero complex which makes him feel solely responsible for the well being of the whole world. He has self steem issues, which makes him feel unwanted and inadecuate, granted what teenager doen't feel like that, but in Harry these feelings of the injustice of the world are multiplied.
If he lives (Which i doubt-i'm with Emma, i'm all for the tragic ending), i think he'll decide to lead a solitary life, away from everything that reminds him of this war.

Hmmmm....moving on.... :ermsmile: Thanks for the link it had alot more of the Cho-Ginny thing then I had noticed...although I don't feel as smart though. I 've read a lot of stuff that people have posted but never anything about that so I was feeling very smart for being the first person to notice. Oh well when millions have read the same book I suppose its impossible to be the first one to notice anything, at least more than a week after its been released. And I don't know how obvious the foreshadowing is, I was looking for stuff like that and I read the book 123.2 times (Estimated and then exaggerated) before I noticed.

Felicia: Lupin I'm so sorry, but i have had to delete this part. It would case a fight. Sorry ... You and Luz, please don't fight! PLEASSEEE!

Yeah, there have been many times when I jumped up and down for noticing somthing and the sluthes say 'Duh, we know!'

If he didn't have a tragic ending, it wouldn't fit. JK's style and the fact she named it after her character, all points toward it being about a tragic hero. If you look at all the greats named in such ways, Othello, Hamlet, Macbeth, Romeo and Juliet. All named after the tragic heroes of the stories.

All of them died in the end, but there are other example where the main lead doesn't die, but might as well have what with the insignificant life he is left with.

But seriously, if Harry lived after all this, you couldn't blame the guy for not wanting to be a part of the wizard world anymore, in fact, it'd be more or less expected that he wouldn't want to be.

Macbeth wasn't a sad ending, he was the bad guy, he was suppose to die. That is why Shakespeare made whats-his-name the king, it was a happy ending.

Anyway, I think it would be quiet a shock if Harry did have a happy life at the end of it. JK is creative, it's a but dull if Harry just ends up depressed and leaves the wizarding world. It's been done. I want the last line to be powerful and I want to close the book and think 'woah', not 'oh, how sad' or 'oh, how perfect'.

I dont think the ending will be definate. She'll probably leave it up in the air for speculation. I dont think she'll specify (if he lives) who he may or not be with, what he might do in the future, she'll just have him walk away from the platform, turning his back on Hogwarts.

I think the whole idea of Harry walking down an aisle is rather dull in the sense that it's too cheery for HP and is kinda like a fairy tale happy ending. Ick, nothing could make me want to be sick more LOL

Maybe not with a romantic sense to it, but the whole 'if Harry get's married' doesn't have to be a huge factor to it. I like the idea of Harry looking behind him at Hogwarts and knowing no one understands him and someone like Snape to be there and agree with him that the world sucks.
Then in the pro-louge tie up the romance that centered Harry in his seventh year. He can still get married without it being put up in flashing lights, it can still be bitter but still pleasent. I just want the end to be powerful, the series is so intellegent and thrilling that an 'ABC' ending such as 'He dies', 'He leaves depressed' or 'He lives happily ever after' is not going to fit.

That's something I hope JK achieves. I want Harry to, even if he cant fully understand the man, appreciate he's been through his fair share of pain and could probably prove useful to him if he gave him a thought. I dunno, Snape and Harry are rather alike in some ways. Again, you sick people, I am not shipping them LOL

I dont want Harry to marry and I dont think he would after what he would've been through in his 7th year. After all, if he doesn't die, then some of his friends probably do. It would be too much of a coincidence if all 6, or 7 (including Draco) lived.

If Harry ends up sad and alone that will be the most depressing thing ever. I can see Rowling not making everything fairytale-ish but I hope that the end isn't too horrible. I have a friend who swears up and down that at the end Harry is going to wake up 11 years old again and it will all have been a very interesting dream he had while sleeping back under the stairs...that would break my heart. I was wondering if maybe Rowling won't do a "Where are they now" type thing at the end of the book and tell what happens to everyone, but not in a lot of detail. Like, for example "Snape finally got the D.A.T.D.A. post and married Tonks." type thing where she goes through and writes a sentence or two about everybody. But who really knows.

That is the worst writing technique known to man. JK wouldn't even dream of doing that, she is not that evil.

She has said the last book she writes on HP will be that, just an epilogue saying where the characters are now, obviously the ones who actually lived.

I'm not all for depression, I would like Snape to have a happy ending and fall in love or something but I cant see the man living to make it to the epilogue. LOL

whatever else might happen in the end- i honestly cant see harry leaving the wizarding world behind. it is his home- and he has nowhere else to go. no matter what he endures in the coming years, hogwarts and everything else has been a blessing to him- a place where he finally and truly belongs. i ant see him leaving that behind.
as to everything else- i dont think that if harry had a happy endig it would be bad. remember, jk wont write a cheesy ending(thats the job of fanfics) she'll write an ending that makes u imagine the possibilities-
i dont think she'll make harry sit at home in his rocking chair with his twelve children and count all the galleons he's made(since he's not only retained his figure and boyish good looks at age 122 but become fantastically rich) but neither will he be running wildly along the streets of london plucking his hair out(the war finally having made him a nutter)
neither will be go into the hills(now even abandone by the giants and trolls) and become a hermit
it'll be a fine balance amongst the three

Uhmmm, didn't this happen on some soap in the states, Dallas, or Dinasty?, someone woke up and everything that had happened for years had been a dream?, i read it somewhere.
The thing is, i think Snape will try to redeem himself with Harry, but it would be with deadly consecuences.
Honestly i think Snape is a greasy, slimy, hateful git. But he did warn Dumbledore about Voldemort going after the Potters. So he is not evil *evil*, people aren't divided into saints, and devils. So he could die doing something good in the end. I really can't imagine him falling in lurve, or anyone falling for him for that matter.

Yes on Dallas when JR was shot, it was all a dream of JR's. Of course the same friend that thinks that will happen also thinks there is something suspicious about all the mentions of socks in the books. I don't know what she thinks is going to happen, like maybe socks are the secret to bringing Voldermort down. Thats the secret end to book 7 guys, sorry to break it to you. Harry forces a pair of magic socks on Voldies feet and he melts into a pile of goo. Anyway back to the shipping

Yes on Dallas when JR was shot, it was all a dream of JR's. Of course the same friend that thinks that will happen also thinks there is something suspicious about all the mentions of socks in the books. I don't know what she thinks is going to happen, like maybe socks are the secret to bringing Voldermort down. Thats the secret end to book 7 guys, sorry to break it to you. Harry forces a pair of magic socks on Voldies feet and he melts into a pile of goo. Anyway back to the shipping [/b][/quote]
It also happened on a show called St. Elsewhere in the 80's though it was a little autistic boy who had the dream about them. Yes now back to the shipping.


I don't know if anyone has said this one but what about Dumbledore and Mrs. Figg. He doesn't have anything against squibbs because he has Filch working at Hogwarts.
Oh and BTW JkR needs to write in someone to date Flich he definitely needs a life though I can't imagine some one who would want to. (Umbridge????) ugghh that's a disgusting thought

And I dont like CHILDREN sitting at my table, So all of you, go to the kiddies table NOW!!!!
And snape, i thought i told you to get out you filthy greasy slimy git!!!

*JOKING*

Please, let's quit the bickering, I feel like Harry, listening to Ron and Hermione...







I 100% agree, with MARCELLA?



*faints*

Marcella we know you aren't shipping them, you want Snivvelus, i mean Severus for yourself...


Anyway, I never think they will fully understand each other, Or ever bring up the fact that their lives suck in front of one another, But those guys are pretty bad off, even though that filthy git snape deserves it...


Please dont remind me, One of my least favorite of Shakespeare...

I agree with both of you I was just saying other depressing endings I've heard of.

How come the only couples anyone talks about on here are Luna-Harry and Ginny-Harry? (Not that I don't ship h-g) but I am simply surprised that no one comes on shiping R-L or H-D or some other alternate couples. Just so I could argue..
I guess that everyone is convinced about R-Hr.

*Falls* Well, I've fallen...but back to the point, I agree. I think he will end up doing something good that might prove life-saving for Harry, but deadly for Snivellus. I will cry when that day comes though.

Filch kissing someone FULL STOP is a nightmarish thought. *squirms*

I know how you feel. When I first joined your debate, you all thought I was mad. I believe I was a H/G shipper then too, oh how times have changed. I think I've had everyone in this thread agree with on something. That's total madness.

Possibly...

Why does Snape deserve it, though? No human being deserves to be abused as a child, or bullied as a teenager. Those two combined is what turned him into a horrible, dark brooding DE. He was emotionally and physically abused. *hugs the snape* I take Snape everywhere, eery topic I'm in he's there somehow. Madness.

Loony is a R/L shipper and I've said before I think I can see how they might end up together temporarily. Hermione hurt Ron with Krum and Jk has hinted that something more than what we saw, went on between them in the summer between their 4th and 5th year. Ron likes Hermione, but she doesn't show it, whereas Luna does. I can see the poor boy feeling unloved and just being with Luna because she wants him. And maybe, in a weird way he might become attracted to her because she compliments him. I dunno, but whatever, I dont see them lasting.

And Hr/D? Or H/D? Neither will happen, JK has confirmed that.

No. Crazee4Draco is a H/Hr shipper and Luz despises R/Hr.

you know that all very well and good- upto a point. he had/has an awful life but that really doesnt justify his treatment of harry- nothing does.
everyone has problems- i know the magnitudes are different but to each person, his or her problems are big enough.
but again.......not an excuse.
maturity(which snape should have achieved by now) means letting go and getting a grip/perspective/life........


i suppose ur talking abt me? well u know thats the closest ship ive come to supporting but not quite. i only want r/l cuz well im a big ron fan and i think luna will be good for him- for reasons ive said a million times. and also it annoys me somewhat that people have it down pat that ron is for hermoine exclusively but hermoine can look at krum/harry/draco whatever.
ron might fancy hermoine but according to jk he doesnt know it yet- yeah even in ootp- he gets protective and prattish around her but u must remember- ron is mind bendingly thick so he hasnt sorted it out yet
anyways some might even say me talking abt r/l is a defence mechanism- cuz everyone is thoroughly disgusted when i say oh i can see r/l happening
over everything- it would be funny

Yes, but JK hasn't given us the full details on Snape and why he appears to hate Harry. I think people should wait until we know all about him that JK plans to tell us, before we judge him.

I think he knows he might like her, if only a little bit. I mean, at the Yule Ball he was blown away by how pretty she looked. But I agree that he doesn't really know the true extent to why he's feeling the way he appears to feel toward her.

I'm not (did you see my little theory) I can see how it might play out but like all the relationships, or the majority of them, they wont last.

have few things to say first. not regarding the ships.

it's currently 11:21 PM ... and i JUST finished my HW! Ask lupin, he kept me company half the time, so jsut so you all know - i'm real packed. I've only been able to risk a few minutes here adn there, but even as it is first day badk -i have TONS of homework!

So i won't be on, only during the weekends. I have read quite a few interesting things. And please... (POints to Lupin and Luz* Don't fight in here! LUPIN AND LUZ if you keep it up - a WARN is comming your way! yes i would give you both one, even thought i love you all! PLATONICALLY!

And alright, I'll QUOTE people!



In a way i agree. But so far, in 5 years - Snpae has not seen Harry in any oter light. What makes you think that soemthing will happen soon to change that?

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it's impossible. To ahve ONE LONG DREAM?! it's IMPOSSIBLE. Both in the books and reality. There could not have ben that much detail, and feeling in a DREAM. And this is such an FF ending - sorry. Theres jsut too much detail...TOO MUCH for it to have been a 'dream'. It's a silly idea, tell your friend i (felicia) said that!

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And I dont like CHILDREN sitting at my table, So all of you, go to the kiddies table NOW!!!!
And snape, i thought i told you to get out you filthy greasy slimy git!!!

*JOKING*

Please, let's quit the bickering, I feel like Harry, listening to Ron and Hermione...[/quote]

NICE ONE!

I was reminded of Hr/R too. but yea, DWTDLY is i think the only *adult* in here...well maybe not, oh i dunno!

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How come the only couples anyone talks about on here are Luna-Harry and Ginny-Harry? (Not that I don't ship h-g) but I am simply surprised that no one comes on shiping R-L or H-D or some other alternate couples.[/quote]

We've tried bringing up R/L, but it always comes back to H/L!

Lol. You were a H/G-er?! WOW! *SHOCK*

Lol. But get this - i KNOW Hr/R will happen...even if it is temporarilly! So erm - is Luz still swimming around looking for a boat???

I'm not. if H/hr fails...well ti probabaly is going to sink, there is too many holes in this BOAT. I might be scooped up into the H/L boat OR the R/L boat...sooo get your ents out...I'm loosing faith in Hr/H..though i will AWLAYS love the thought of these two comming together!

No ship, i think - will last.e teenagers. OUR AGE...minus those who aren't 'teens' anymore.. *shifty*... Well look, not even H/G is going to alst - even if harry does want a 'family'. He sees the weasleys as family anyway... he doesnt say he wants to be apart of them, he knows he is apart of the family allreaydy.

And now it's half bast 11. NIGHT EVERYONE!

rmeber, don't bash!

PEOPLE - QUOTE MEEEE!


Felicia


ps: for the record, I AMDE LUPIN "FRIENDS" AVATAR!!!

I don't despise Hr/R, i just don't think it's gonna happen. And one thing, why do people always write it like R/Hr, the man first?, the feminist in me gets POed by that, lol.
Anyway, i know Hr/R-ers are very convinced about their ship, but i think J.K can pull something a little more original than that. Everyone is expecting Hermione to end up with Ron or Harry, the way to surprise everyone would be to not pair her with them.
And on a last note, Hermione is not even attracted to Ron anyway.