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Old 08-21-2011, 03:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I checked in to a Twilight fansite that I frequented when I was a fan (just for kicks) and saw a thing about that interview Dan gave recently where he talked about Rob. Reading the comments below, I noticed a couple people noting that it seems HP fans bash Twilight far more than Twilight fans bash HP. Do you guys think this is true???
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Pssh.. Yeah! Because there's no contest and vampires don't sparkle, love others and have children. >.<
I also personally believe that maybe.. Just MAYBE, Stephanie Meyers got an idea to try to cash in on J.K.s epic success. Just a thought.
Have you read them? They're extremely juvenile and SOOOO many typos it's not even funny. You could tell the editors didn't care about it at all.
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Yea, I've read em. In fact, I'm a former TwiHard. I just got out of the craze about a year ago when I realized how much better HP is and how little meaning Twilight really has!
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Well I found something that pretty much sums it up. I'll have to postit later since I'm using my phone to use the site right now. Lol! I think you might like it. No. I think most could appreciate it. Lol!
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Twilight fans can't bash Harry Potter, because they know Harry Potter is more awesome. I'm kidding...kind of But more people like Harry Potter than Twilight...probably, I'm assuming. I like Twilight, but Harry Potter is epicly the best
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Lots of people who actually bash Twilight used to be DIEHARD Twilight fans. The books aren't THAT similar to each other for an accurate "this is better than that", but the fans have made it that way with their ways of obsessing over both.

I've read Twilight only, not the sequels, and I don't think it's a bad book. I definitely prefer Harry Potter, but it's not a type of book that I'd barely read once and never again.

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Okay, sorry.. The 'juvenile' remark was supposed to coincide with all the typos and other grammatical errors. The story itself, is NOT. I was never a big fan, but I did read them all, and I gotta say that ESPECIALLY the last book was WAY too extreme for the audience it was geared to.. Or rather, ended up being geared towards.. :/
Really.. I wasn't trying to be disrespectful of the fans..
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The Twilight books themselves are entertaining, but I think the big pull with HP is that it is so much more in depth and appeals to such a wider audience. Twilight really only appeals to teen girls and their moms lol

But from a more respectful standpoint, even when I was a Twilight fan, I still loved HP and always wondered why the two were compared b/c theyr so different. I think we can all agree each has their strengths and it's only natural for us to defend our favorite fandom. I personally prefer Hp to Twilight, but I supposed that doesn't mean we should bash Twilight (at least in front of its fans!)
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Hmm.. I don't think I can respond here anymore about my opinions without going over PG-13. :/
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I used to be a Twihard... That is though, before I discovered my obsession for HP a few years ago!

I don't like Twilight anymore because I became obsessed with HP and when Twilight fans start bashing it, it used to REALLY bother me (which made me hate Twilight).

I haven't liked Twilight since as the fans bother me more then the series does and I couldn't defend it any longer so I gave Twilight up... (If that makes any sense, in my head it does lol.)
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It appears I seem to have opened a can of worms....lol Sorry to the mods if the conversation becomes too disrespectful. I'll ask here that from this point forward all comments be worded carefully so as to avoid anything that sounds too disrespectful or inappropriate!
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Meyers is lacking as a writer in a lot of places where Rowling isn't, so maybe if there's more bashing from Potter fans, it's valid? (Not a sarcastic tone, though I know it may look like it. That's why I edited this in.)

-Meyers is extremely repetitive with her adjectives (marble, perfect, Adonis, golden), to the point that she was once interviewed about it, specifically. Her answer was that she really doesn't like to go back and edit much. In other words, she doesn't care enough about her own readability to go back and pay some respect to detail. (You can find this on her own website. Arguably, it could be said that she doens't care enough about her readers either.) The closest Rowling comes to this is her overuse of the words "sumptuous" and "emerald."
-Meyers never risks anything with any of her characters. The closest she ever comes to this is giving her characters shady pasts, where the bad things they've gone through have already happened. In the end of every single one of her books, including The Host, everything is a fairytale ending. The wildest dreams of every one of her protagonists have come true, no matter how unlikely or how deux-ex-machina she had to make her ending to make everything turn out all right for absolutely everybody. Sometimes, everything is even perfect for her villains, who sometimes aren't so bad after all. Meyers has said she doesn't like stories that don't have a happy ending. Obviously Rowling's characters have bigger and deeper problems than Meyers', problems we can relate with, and problems we can grow with, along with the characters we're reading about. Rowling's stories are more true-to-life in this way.
-Meyers absolutely spoils everything in her stories to the point where you can guess what's going to happen 3 chapters or more before it does. She is not skilled at foreshadowing. This makes for very frustrating reading.

So... I can't really say that I disagree with the Twilight bashing.
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Well I guess I can chime in again.
When I was reading the first 3 books, I actually felt like I was being dumbed down a bit.

I don't really agree with comparing Twilight to HP, but I can compare JK's and Meyers' writing styles. After reading all 11 books (HP and Twilight), I could definitely tell that the difference is night and day. When I read HP, I feel like I'm there and you can tell how much time, thought, love, tears.. and possibly blood..Who knows..~shrugs~ (lol) has gone into the series. When I read Twilight I felt like I was 5. And I also felt like, as soon as I opened the first book, that she cares nothing about the characters, the stories, the readers.

Here's what I was going to post earlier. It's pretty funny, and it sums up exactly how I would feel about the two if I were to compare Twilight to HP:
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Pssh.. Yeah! Because there's no contest and vampires don't sparkle, love others and have children. >.<
I also personally believe that maybe.. Just MAYBE, Stephanie Meyers got an idea to try to cash in on J.K.s epic success. Just a thought.
Have you read them? They're extremely juvenile and SOOOO many typos it's not even funny. You could tell the editors didn't care about it at all.


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I used to occasionally make rude comments about Twilight, shortly after the first movie came out, but that was mostly because I was sore over having a book I liked turned into such a terrible movie. A lot of Twilight fans even agree that the movies are pretty terrible. But I think it's a pretty equal bashing party on both sides.

Twilight fans have their FB pages explaining why Twilight is superior. I think HP fans are just better at the insults, since I have noticed a slightly elevated ability to spell properly
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I actually saw on Yahoo a very intense Harry Potter bashing. This person claimed that Harry Potter was a Twilight ripoff, and that Twilight came first and thus so was superior. It even claimed: "Sirius Black, turns into a dog and rides a motorcycle, how original. The stupid author couldn't even be bothered to change the last name." Really?

But I think it's equal, HP fans just know how to insult more properly. (Thanks to the Slytherins )
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I actually saw on Yahoo a very intense Harry Potter bashing. This person claimed that Harry Potter was a Twilight ripoff, and that Twilight came first and thus so was superior. It even claimed: "Sirius Black, turns into a dog and rides a motorcycle, how original. The stupid author couldn't even be bothered to change the last name." Really?

But I think it's equal, HP fans just know how to insult more properly. (Thanks to the Slytherins )
Lol! Wow. He didn't even bother to research publication dates! HP & PS was published in June of 97. Twilight was published in Oct of 2005.. Big gap, dontcha think? Yeah. I wikied it to make sure. Hehe..
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Lol! Wow. He didn't even bother to research publication dates! HP & PS was published in June of 97. Twilight was published in Oct of 2005.. Big gap, dontcha think? Yeah. I wikied it to make sure. Hehe..
I know. It made me really mad. And us HP fans....we don't bash Twilight that much. I think the only thing is the whole Rob Patt thing, how he was better as Cedric. And Rob actually said he preferred Cedric Diggory over Edward Cullen.
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I definitely have to agree with the title of this thread; Twilight is bashed more by HP fans than by Twilight fans. In my experience, Twilight fans tend to respect HP. The bashing on our part gets pretty intense, too, because it's kind of a similar genre and a similar target audience - they're fantasy series for young adults and pre-teens.

I think we bash Twilight so much because the two series are in competition for our attention and the attention of our peers. We the HP fans believe in and constantly express the superiority of our series, probably because we don't want the Twilight fandom to take over the popularity of ours or completely overshadow the series altogether. Twilight fans don't feel this threat as much because their series is the newer, more popular one, so they don't bash HP as much.
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I definitely have to agree with the title of this thread; Twilight is bashed more by HP fans than by Twilight fans. In my experience, Twilight fans tend to respect HP. The bashing on our part gets pretty intense, too, because it's kind of a similar genre and a similar target audience - they're fantasy series for young adults and pre-teens.

I think we bash Twilight so much because the two series are in competition for our attention and the attention of our peers. We the HP fans believe in and constantly express the superiority of our series, probably because we don't want the Twilight fandom to take over the popularity of ours or completely overshadow the series altogether. Twilight fans don't feel this threat as much because their series is the newer, more popular one, so they don't bash HP as much.
Actually.. I was just on a Twilight fan site to see what they say. There was a board titled Twilight vs. HP. Not one person defended Twilight. I personally don't think there's enough of a Twilight fanbase anymore for there to be a legitimate debate.
And besides.. As I mentioned previously, and I'll state it again just in case.. My debate is not between HP & Twilight stories, but between the authors' writing styles. Doesn't really matter anyway, because it seems that everyone here has basically the same opinion. So I think this subject might be moot at this point. Lol

Added thought(s): I think if there should be a debate at all, it shouldn't consist of comparing the series to something else WAY different and out of it's league. I say it like that based on the pure well known fact that the world of HP is, without a doubt, so much more vast. Yes, they are both fantasy stories, but not the same kind at all. I found the series to be mainly fillers and fluff. Nothing to grasp on to, but HP drew me in from "Mr. and Mrs. Dursley, of number four, Privet Drive..". The debate should be about whether the Twilight series is good or not in it's own right, because HP stands alone in it's own class. It can never be repeated or outdone. It was too huge, still is and more than likely always will be.

Also, I do believe this whole farce is due to the HP fans, but not for the same reasons as you..(gurldonteven). I believe that it was started because there's quuuuite a few people who think Meyer "borrowed" a lot of material from JKR.. I'm on the fence about this one. There is a similarity between Jacob and Sirius, but that's all I noticed cause I wasn't paying close attention.. That kinda story for me, ya know? Ha!
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Actually.. I was just on a Twilight fan site to see what they say. There was a board titled Twilight vs. HP. Not one person defended Twilight. I personally don't think there's enough of a Twilight fanbase anymore for there to be a legitimate debate.
And besides.. As I mentioned previously, and I'll state it again just in case.. My debate is not between HP & Twilight stories, but between the authors' writing styles. Doesn't really matter anyway, because it seems that everyone here has basically the same opinion. So I think this subject might be moot at this point. Lol

Added thought(s): I think if there should be a debate at all, it shouldn't consist of comparing the series to something else WAY different and out of it's league. I say it like that based on the pure well known fact that the world of HP is, without a doubt, so much more vast. Yes, they are both fantasy stories, but not the same kind at all. I found the series to be mainly fillers and fluff. Nothing to grasp on to, but HP drew me in from "Mr. and Mrs. Dursley, of number four, Privet Drive..". The debate should be about whether the Twilight series is good or not in it's own right, because HP stands alone in it's own class. It can never be repeated or outdone. It was too huge, still is and more than likely always will be.

Also, I do believe this whole farce is due to the HP fans, but not for the same reasons as you..(gurldonteven). I believe that it was started because there's quuuuite a few people who think Meyer "borrowed" a lot of material from JKR.. I'm on the fence about this one. There is a similarity between Jacob and Sirius, but that's all I noticed cause I wasn't paying close attention.. That kinda story for me, ya know? Ha!
Touche, Potatohead. *beardstroke*

Whoa...it never even occurred to me that Meyer could have stolen from Rowling. And I apologize for not realizing that the thread was talking about HP fans bashing Meyer's writing style rather than just the whole series itself versus HP.

And I'm very surprised, actually, to hear that none of the Twilight fans defended their own series against HP and their fanbase is dwindling so. I must be way behind on the times.
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...I believe that it was started because there's quuuuite a few people who think Meyer "borrowed" a lot of material from JKR.. I'm on the fence about this one. There is a similarity between Jacob and Sirius, but that's all I noticed cause I wasn't paying close attention.. That kinda story for me, ya know? Ha!
I don't think this is really fair at all, whoever started that rumor (you speak of it as if you heard it somewhere so I'm obviously not pointing fingers at you). I don't really like Meyers as a writer but I wouldn't accuse her of stealing anything from Rowling. The main reason is that Meyers' entire series is wholly dedicated to ripping off of Shakespeare, and making his stories "better" by making them more Mary-Sue-esque.
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I don't think this is really fair at all, whoever started that rumor (you speak of it as if you heard it somewhere so I'm obviously not pointing fingers at you). I don't really like Meyers as a writer but I wouldn't accuse her of stealing anything from Rowling. The main reason is that Meyers' entire series is wholly dedicated to ripping off of Shakespeare, and making his stories "better" by making them more Mary-Sue-esque.
Yeah.. I've just read it several places.. IMO, a few characters MAY be similar, but I don't think she probably put two and two together when she made them, in her defense.
Shakespeare? Really? I'm sorry.. But that puts it on a WHOLE new level of 'WHAA??' for me.
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