About that Lily/Remus thing, I believe JK said once in an interview that Remus admired Lily but he never had a relationship with her.

The movies shouldn't necessarily be taken as indictive of anything. Remember in the new movie when Harry falls down, Cedric runs towards the cup rather than helping him -- this is directly contrary to the book. It seems some of the directors take a bit of extraneous license when polishing the films.

Remus and Lily... friends absolutely, she may have thought of him as someone to talk to and the same for him, but Lily was a popular girl, i'd imagine most of Gryffindor had a crush on her at some point.

Wow...I'm so far behind (had a trip over the weekend just got back), so I've got a lot of catching up to do--

I love that line, I wouldn't be surprised that maybe, just maybe, that with what was said, maybe Lupin confided in Lily before the Marauders about his little secret. I mean that would put quite a gap in trust issues....I think it may have started there, perhaps she knew about him being a werewolf ("She had a way of seeing the beauty in others even more perhaps."). I think they may have had a personal relationship, but it wasn't popularly open. Like, Lupin had become friends with James, Sirius, and Peter in the first year, but when did he start to be friends with Lily?

Perhaps even before the other three. Then, he became friends with them afterwards a little later on in the year...

And I don't think Snape had feelings for Lily either...I've heard that theory circulate and it just doesn't seem, I don't know, for me it's not that believable.

I don't know, I would think the directors wouldn't lead to far on something so extravagant with the lines Lupin had about Lily if it wasn't going somewhere. I mean, J.K. does have an input on what needs to be in the movies, maybe she get the opportunity to add some things she forgot...

Okay...First of all, why would they have to bite other people, instead of creating it the "old-fashioned" way?

So, should they go around raping people and hope they get pregnant...I think biting would be a lot easier. There are several ways to become a werewolf. They include being givin the power of shape shifting through sorcery, being cursed by someone who you have wronged in some way (called Lycaeonia curse, this isn't a J.K. thing btw, this is just the myth of it), being bitten by a werewolf, and being born to a werewolf. In each case, the blood becomes tainted or cursed.

These are just a few of the mythical "ways" to become a werewolf.

I really don't think Lupin is sterile. I just think this ^^ might be one of the reasons he's so not attached to women. Most women want kids and that's just something he can't offer. He's just doesn't want to spread his curse. He would never want to do that. He's just the kind of guy that thinks of others before himself.

A person can become a werewolf against his or her will (birth, curse, or bite) can be considered "d***ed" until he/she tastes human blood. Once he/she does, his soul is eternally "d***ed" and nothing may redeem him. Even without tasting of human blood, however, as long as the taint lays upon the immortal soul, it cannot enter Heaven, and will remain chained to the mortal plane upon death. I think Lupin's parents did everything they could to prevent this from happening and Dumbledore as well when he came to school. So, I highly doubt he has ever tasted human blood! Yay, there's still hope!

Once a subject is bitten by a werewolf, his or her life and death are doomed to the werewolf curse. However, as long as they themselves do not taste of human blood, the curse is reversible. If the Alpha werewolf (hoping Greyback is) is killed, through some action of the Beta (Lupin), the Beta's curse is broken. It is important to note that whether the Beta werewolf was bitten by the Alpha werewolf himself or by another Beta, it is the Alpha who must be destroyed. It is also an interesting note that since Betas and Alphas share common blood, an Alpha cannot physically harm a Beta of his own bloodline by his own hands without inflicting the same injury upon himself. However, if a Beta is harmed or killed by another, it does not affect the Alpha.

And I believe that too, that's she's not going to go word by word with what is legend and she does tend to add some really cool twists. But, I really think she tries and respects the traditions of the legends and mythes, and tries to put a lot of it into her work as much as possible.

Now, I would like to add a bit more on lycanthropy...

In the Ergot Theory on Lycanthropy is says:

"Some lycanthropes (according to tales from the 17th century) assured people that they really were wolves and that their fur grew inside their body. If we remember the drugs used by witches as "metamorphosing ointments" and self-suggestion, it is very possible that this induced, in the ones who took them, hallucinations of being werewolves, without really being affected by lycanthropy, only by the effects of such drugs combined with suggestion."

I thought this was interesting simply because of the use of "metamorphoshing," which is now a related term to Tonks being a 'metamorphmagus.' So maybe there was a connection with Lupin and Tonks all along, we just didn't notice it. I know it was considered a 'drug,' but it was supposed to make you believe you were something else, just like Tonks can change to make you think you're someone else.

The change of man to werewolf on a full-moon is called "Metamorphosis."

This is really really really really far-fetched, but it's just and idea.

Okay, sorry this is a lot to read, I hope I didn't bore anyone...I just really hope Lupin can somehow be completely human again, he deserves it!

You've got such an insight into this, is mythology something you're interested in generally, or such HP?

And it wasn't boring, far from it in fact. I found it fascinating.

It started out mythology I was always fascinating when I was little, like in Middle School and then I got into Harry Potter, and that mixed and now it's become an obsession...it's a sad one, but I love finding new things everyday! J.K. has really opened up this void for me and it's taken me to this whole different and new level. I think lycanthropy is fascinating, and I'm interested in how J.K. is going to take it!

Thanks for not thinking it's boring, I was afraid it was...

I meant to comment on this earlier...I know JKR said that Remus and Lily were just friends, and that the scene in the movie where he talks about Lily is just the filmmakers taking creative license with the story. But I too like the idea that Remus and Lily were more than just friends once! I think Lily really liked him, and he liked her too but he pushed her away because of what he was (just like he pushes Tonks away). Except Lily found comfort in James, who of course loved her already, while Tonks won't give up on him! I used to read Remus/Lily fics, but most of them just made me so sad! But I still love a good R/L once in a while.

Oh and Kasia, if you're talking about translating your fic to English, I might be able to help you with that.

Ok, I'm giving everyone until wednesday to send in applications. In the meantime, everyone PM me with a suggestion for what we should call our club (a cool name) and what we should call the positions occupied by our chairs. Favor names which have to do with Lupin/werewolves I think.

Heheh. I second that. Greyback's goin' down!
I agree as well, I doubt Lupin ever will. Even if he did stop being a werewolf I think it wouldn't be as wonderful as may seem. Being a werewolf is part of who he has been his whole life, so...

Not at all, Those are marvelous ideas and I personally appreciate your sharing them with us. You seem to be a fountain of information. I enjoyed reading your thoughts. Thank-you.

Thank you so much...There's just so many ideas I have with this character I'm very curious how J.K. is going to take it.

But, you know those fears could always be replaced with others, like starting a family and watching over his loved ones. I think being human would give him a new sense of freedom and add a challenge, but in a good way. I think Lupin has always wanted to be human and live a normal life and he tries to do that as often as he can, so I don't think his sense character would change too much.

I think that's what we're all hoping!!! And for me if JK is following the mythes and whatnot that she made Greyback an Alpha werewolf, so when he is killed Lupin is free!!!

I was one of those who thought immediately after reading GOF, "Oh my goodness, Peter's new hand is made out of silver!" And like some legends of the werewolf goes, silver can kill a werewolf, but thankfully J.K. responded to that rumour:

"Nice idea, clearly predicated on the legend that only a silver bullet can kill a werewolf--but incorrect."

So she is looking into legends and such, and she's entirely true (as always)...a silver bullet isn't the only way a werewolf can get killed. Any damage to the heart or head can kill a werewolf, they aren't entirely immortal. But, I'm curious to if the Avada Kadavra curse could kill them, yes, it is the killing curse, but it causes not damage to the head or heart. Perhaps like Hagrid having giant blood, maybe werewolf blood has some other effect?

Hey fellow Lupin fans. I have some re-reading to do in this thread before responding to some theories here, but am enjoying the discussion! Woo!